bullsh*t?

Ok this kid i know says hes getting this 94' hatchback that has 200HP. Has the stock engine, d18 still in it. It has del sol Si head/body, kit/rims/coilovers/100shot of nos/ jet ecu/ racing seats w/ 5 point harness/aem intake/fule pressure regulator/apexi exhaust/z3 fenders/ shaved moldings and keyless entry...

and he says he has about 200HP lol... what do you guys think? Is he just saying this to brag? Can you possibly get that much HP out of that engine?

What the hell is a D18?

Originally posted by B16EJ1
What the hell is a D18?
there is no such engine.

That kid is full of shit.

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron

there is no such engine.

That kid is full of shit.

Which kid and I knew that. :icon16:

Originally posted by B16EJ1


Which kid and I knew that. :icon16:
I figured, and the kid who is being talked about in the main post.

well i dont know if anyone on this forum could answer that, a d18 must be so rare that we have never heard of it. and with a 100shot of nos on his stock motor, well i would like to see it last.

I thought it was NAAAAWWWSSSS.

you guys are so crazy. a d18 is the super secret honda engine that has been built and perfected in space by Mr. Honda's 3rd clone. its an 8 cylinder v-tec with a silicone-plasma piston seal allowing for a 100 shot of NO2.
GoD! Don't you guys know anything!?!?



(and if you believe that, or that kid, I've got some beach front property in Arizona I'll sell ya real cheap!)

(Matt, you sure you didn't typo and mean B 18?)

lol ya thats what I thought but i basically copy/pasted the whole convo we had online. What is the DX engine name for that year?

d16? but if that's the case i don't trust the 100 shot.

a 94 DX has a D15b7 motor.

solemmegetthissttaight.....dude has a d15, puts on a d16z6 head. runs a CAI, mod'd ECU, new fuel regulator, and a 100 of N02, not internal work done, and talks 200 HP. the the d16z6 gets 125 HP. and the d15b7 gets 102 HP. so the d15 block, with the d16 head, and such, might get him at about 110-115 HP? (anyone?) CAI +2-4 HP. "Exhaust" (likely a $65 bee can) +2-4 more HP (rounded up total: 123 HP) mod ECU _____HP(?) Fuel pressure regulator (will that add HP without a new rail or injecotrs?) and the mythical 100 N02,

so assuming his d16 head on a d15 block doesnt explode when he hits the n02 he might be hittin max saaaaaaayyyyy 165-175 HP?

Im not by any means a wiz when it comes to the technical aspects here. Anyone who really knows what they're talkin about wanna check my math? I still think, know, the kid's full of it, but it's more fun to find out how and then throw it back in his face. :icon16:

There's no way he's getting 200 hp out of a d15b7 with a d16z6 head. That blocl/head can't handle a 100 shot of nos. He'll blow that engine to shit the first time he hits it. And as said below, the d15b7 is 102 hp and 91 ft/lbs of torque stocck, d16z6 is 125 hp. An exhuast, CAI, jet ecu and d16z6 head and throttle body is not going to make up for the 98 hp he needs to get a 102 hp d15 to 200 hp. And as we all said, there's no way that motor will last with a 100 shot of nos. The kid's just talking out his ass, don't belive him.

hehehe
did he say how much he was paying?...

maybe it is a B18 wiht a dels sol VTEC head..

thats my guess. cuz then that setup with N20 youy could get 200HP no problem.

but would a B18 even hold a 100 shot?

Originally posted by 94tegRS
maybe it is a B18 wiht a dels sol VTEC head..

thats my guess. cuz then that setup with N20 youy could get 200HP no problem.

but would a B18 even hold a 100 shot?

what del sol head you talking about? b16 or d16 cuz sohc d16 is no differnt then any other civic d16z6 head. i doubt there is many stock motors that could handle a 100shot of nitrous.

I was talking about the del sol VTEC, the one with the B16, cuz a LSVTEC wouldnt even need a 100 shot to get 200 HP, but the mini me couldnt handle 100 shot, but I got a question, the LSVTEC is supposed tpo have more HP and torque than the B18C1. I also heard somewhere that the mini me outperformed the D16Z6 SOHC VTEC. so wheel1586 is the reason you rated the D16Z6 over the mini me is cuz he was starting with a 1.5 and not the 1.6 block?

so wheel1586 is the reason you rated the D16Z6 over the mini me is cuz he was starting with a 1.5 and not the 1.6 block?

actually, I didnt even think that far. when he (matt) said DX engine with a del sol head, I went and looked up the motors and do-able head swaps and came up with the d15 and d16z6 motors/heads. a DX motor for that year was only the D15B7 and the only del sol head you could possibly swap onto that is the d16z6 that was in the Del SOl Si from 93-95.

where you guys got a b16 in the car for this thread I don't know. the first post says 94 DX with a del sol head. I went from there. if the guy swapped in a b16 no one ever mentioned it.

oh, well it doesnt say anything about a B16, but the del sol VTEC's came with a B16, and when he said that he had a D18, since that dont exist, I think it would be easier to forget a letter than numbers, so maybe it is a B18. also i know this guy was talking wiht him on the net, but maybe when the guy he was talking to was talking to the guy selling the car, he sadi B and this guy heard D. over the phone those always get confused. and about the del sol, the B16 head would go to the B18 block and have no trouble getting 200HP.

but why put a b16 head on a b18 block? if its a b18b, use a c1 head. if its a b18c block a b16 head would be less that the original motor for all points.

no matter. there's some goofy poseur out there talkin half a game and getin busted. why most people, and Im still workin on this, cant just take the time to learn stuff is beyond me. (It's difficult, but more fun)

its on the board somewhere but the GSR and SI head flow almost exact same. and theres B18b blocks wiht B16 heads all over.

true, the b18c and b16a heads flow almost the same, but call me crazy, I'd rather match up the b18's with b18's.

How does a b18b block run with a b16 head anyway? does it run about the same numbers as a b18? or somewhere in between a b18 and b16? Despite it being possible, outside of tremendous cost, I've never heard of that combination. Most if they are gonna build an engine just start with the b18 or 16.

Originally posted by wheel1856
true, the b18c and b16a heads flow almost the same, but call me crazy, I'd rather match up the b18's with b18's.

How does a b18b block run with a b16 head anyway? does it run about the same numbers as a b18? or somewhere in between a b18 and b16? Despite it being possible, outside of tremendous cost, I've never heard of that combination. Most if they are gonna build an engine just start with the b18 or 16.
no they don't the b18c has dual runners. more surface area equals worse flow at high rpm's. if you need it explained further look here (hybridsols post) this entire thread is about frankenstien swaps. http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=107963&perpage=15&pagenumber=9

the intake manifold has dual runners, not the head.


and actually I am almost sure that the B18b block with the B16 head has more torque and HP than the B18C1

Originally posted by 94tegRS
the intake manifold has dual runners, not the head.


and actually I am almost sure that the B18b block with the B16 head has more torque and HP than the B18C1
What the hell do you think the air flow is coming from, runners effect the heads flow. As for the head a GSR head will give you a higher compression than the other b-series heads because of its 41.6cc combustion chamber. The smaller combustion chamber makes .2 more compression. Then you have the b16a head, the b16a head is a better flowing head 5.25% in fact and with a larger combustion chamber 42.7cc's. to many problems with LSVTEC and I've heard they dyno around 150hp|}

wouldnt a B16 intake manifold bolt up to the GSR head, i thought any b series was b series compatible for the most part and as far as intake manifolds they just had to be from a b series that was vtec, like ITR manifold on a GSR. GSR on a B16a.

Originally posted by 94tegRS
wouldnt a B16 intake manifold bolt up to the GSR head, i thought any b series was b series compatible for the most part and as far as intake manifolds they just had to be from a b series that was vtec, like ITR manifold on a GSR. GSR on a B16a.

Nope. the bolt patterns are different. The ITR intake manifold bolts right up to the B16 head and not the GSR. That's why Skunk2 made their application for the GSR, so that GSR owners would'nt have to do modifications to make the ITR manifold fit.

ok,well when i read that post that someone linked to above, I read where someone reccomended to get a different intake manifold than the GSR nor get the B16 so i figured that they were compatible and also when I bought my B20 i knew i neded a different one cuz the stock ones too tall and asked which one and the guy at hmotors told me i could get any b series intake manifold as long as it wasnt from a vtec engine.

but I know now, thanks for the lesson

he said its a D17, base engine in 96+ dx/lx civics... is that right?

he said its a D17, base engine in 96+ dx/lx civics... is that right?
I think the D17 is 2001+, I am postive it's not 96+. I'll check when I get home.

96+ is still 1.6, the 01's+ are when the 1.7's came out, at least USDM.

96+ is still 1.6, the 01's+ are when the 1.7's came out, at least USDM.
I was right then...I was pretty sure I remembered that correct.