Why bother with a KA or SR?!

When you can scrunch a LT1 in!

http://www.limecreekmotorsports.com/lt1swap/LT1%20Finished%202.JPG

http://www.limecreekmotorsports.com/lt1swap/LT1%20Finished.JPG

http://www.limecreekmotorsports.com/lt1swap/motor%20in%202.JPG

:bigthumb:

power isnt the only thing.
there is weight ratio, and there is concern for what u wanna do with ur car.

any type of course racing with lotta turns u should get a SR, although KA's fare pretty well sometimes.

drag racing is vice versa of the course racing.

becuase there is a guy from 240forums.com with a LT1 in his S14 and he got his ass handed to him by a turbo charged v-tec prelude running 8 psi. they did it from a roll and the turbo prelude killed it by over 3 cars. the prelude wasn't even on his high boost setting. bottom line. V8 gets you monster torque. good for off the line jumps. turbos generally gives you better highend. so on the highway when your about to hit full spool, the turbo will take a v8.


edit: lookin at thsoe pictures, lolz thats exactly the same S14 that got beaten. i forgot which name he went under. but he was bragging about how fast he was. makin all sorts of bullshit storys like how he beat a viper and shit. so one guy in a turbo prelude just beat the shit out of him, and everyone called his bullshit storys. anyways, the LT1 is not that powerfull of an engine. they only made like 275ish. not impressed for a v8. and they can only rev to 5.5 -6K

yeah the LT1 Blows unless you've got something that wheighs 4000lbs make it the LS1 from a Z06 and you may have something.

SR20 > LT1

I hate when people drop american big blocks in Japanese cars...this isn't the "good ol days"...Japan has strong engines now and for the most part they are better to stick with than dropping crap in like an LT1. Don't LT1's cost a lot too?

That Darius 240z (or maybe it's Darius' 240z...I'm not sure lol) seems pretty badass though and it has an LT1 in it right? I'm sure a few others have downloaded the series of car videos with that little Datsun with the huge v8 :).

yeah the LT1 in the datsun is crazy..
but whatever, i'll stick with newer jap engines in newer jap cars.

The Prelude hit it's scramble boost in the video, I was there and it was fairly obvious. The LT1 car started in the bottom of 2nd gear on a TH350 transmission with a 3200 rpm stall. If any of you have used this combo before you can imagine just how slow the car will react when it's not locked up. The run was fairly one sided and not as it seems. The prelude would not run from a stop for fear of the LT1 ass raping him.

BTW, for you doubters... the car ran a 9.81 @ 147 mph. I don't forsee the prelude running any faster than that.

And yes, I helped build the LT1 car.

Soon to come:
- MTI 383
- Turbonetics T100
- 2 Spd. Powerglide
- 7s or bust.

9.8 nice!

I still would rather just get an rb25det. Sounds way better and would probly be able to pull the same numbers if it was modified a little.

Originally posted by klohiq
9.8 nice!

I still would rather just get an rb25det. Sounds way better and would probly be able to pull the same numbers if it was modified a little.

Umm... an RB25 would need a shitload of mods to touch a 9.80

good for you. i personally dislike drag racing immensly and see the mixture of american engines with Japanese cars as a touch of evil, but that's just me and my opinion. *shrugs*

damn brian, u always post before i could get at it :comprage1


i agree fully

fine how about an rb26dett with all the mods that the nismo 400r has to give it a 10k redline...then it would be faster than that little v8 :P...especially if you kept the 4wd tranny...1 more gear too

I know 9.8 isn't weak, but it's definitely possible with an rb25...large enough turbo, turbo boost and sticky enough wheels and it will do it...an rb26 with some work could easily kill it...

Originally posted by klohiq
fine how about an rb26dett with all the mods that the nismo 400r has to give it a 10k redline...then it would be faster than that little v8 :P...especially if you kept the 4wd tranny...1 more gear too

I know 9.8 isn't weak, but it's definitely possible with an rb25...large enough turbo, turbo boost and sticky enough wheels and it will do it...an rb26 with some work could easily kill it...

1. A 400R has a special production N1 series block, it's a 2.8L not a 2.6L
2. Redline does not necessarily dictate how fast a car is... see Honda
3. It's not that easy to just "keep the AWD tranny" you need the tranny, transfer case, front diff, front shafts, forward driveshaft, rear driveshaft, and to change the front end strut/coil setup to a double wishbone skyline GTR design with the hubs incorporating space for the front halfshafts.
4. For an RB25 to run a 9.8 your talking about SERIOUS modifications. Head work, cams, springs, solid lifters, 800+cc injectors, cryo-ed transmission gears or aftermarket replacement, built bottom end, balanced and blueprinted motor, rear differential upgrade, rear ring and pinion upgrade, standalone management, race gas, T67+ sized turbo, intercooler, custom piping, suspension mods, ETC ETC ETC and a serious driver. A damn 400+rwhp SR20 only runs a high 11-sec. quarter mile on drag radials.

9's aren't all about power, it's about delivery and putting it to the ground. The V8 car runs good because unlike most people we actually made the car hook-up. We didn't just throw a bunch of power into it and wonder why it runs a 10.80 @ 162 mph like alot of the Supra owners out there. It's easy to sit around and bullshit about building a car to run 9s, but until you actually do it, it's hard to realize just how hard it is to do.

BTW, I'm not saying it's the fastest thing alive, but its one of the fastest S-chassis cars in the US for certain.

I'm working with a UK team to produce my project car. It'll be an RB26 into my maroon S14 utilizing some high lift Tomei 272s, stock bottom end, and a set of HKS GT-RS turbochargers to the tune of about 700rwhp. I've helped them tune the GTRs with this setup, it wasn't easy since we had to work around some surge issues with the lower boost settings but we are making progress.

I believe the parts to make it have a 10k redline are available for the standard rb26dett...not just the rbx block that the 400r uses. Yes high redline doesn't mean shit sometimes, but I'm not talking about a little 4 cylinder, it's an inline 6 and a damn good one at that. I just think it's better than an LT1...not just drag racing, but reliability and useable power.

And it is possible to keep the AWD setup...just takes a lot of money. I'm not sure if it's already been done, but I'm sure with enough custom work it could be and with 4 wheels spinning rather than 2...that alone would make the LT1 weaker if they both put out similar horsepower.

I was kidding anyways...I don't care about drag racing. It may involve skill, but I hate how reaction time is all the driver really is trying to master. The rest is mostly setup and some skill at shifting properly and applying the right amount of throttle. Auto-X is what I want to do once I get a decent car....seems to be a lot more fun.

Originally posted by klohiq
I believe the parts to make it have a 10k redline are available for the standard rb26dett...not just the rbx block that the 400r uses. Yes high redline doesn't mean shit sometimes, but I'm not talking about a little 4 cylinder, it's an inline 6 and a damn good one at that. I just think it's better than an LT1...not just drag racing, but reliability and useable power.

And it is possible to keep the AWD setup...just takes a lot of money. I'm not sure if it's already been done, but I'm sure with enough custom work it could be and with 4 wheels spinning rather than 2...that alone would make the LT1 weaker if they both put out similar horsepower.

I was kidding anyways...I don't care about drag racing. It may involve skill, but I hate how reaction time is all the driver really is trying to master. The rest is mostly setup and some skill at shifting properly and applying the right amount of throttle. Auto-X is what I want to do once I get a decent car....seems to be a lot more fun.

There are sports for everyone.

If your gonna do Auto-X I suggest a 13B-T rotary motor.

sorry...but i have to say yuck lol...

If I get a 240 I'm dropping in an sr20 (red top) probly and if I get an mr2 I'm just going to modify the 3s-gte stock turbo motor. Rotaries might be better for performance, but for reliability and durability I'll go with a piston engine anyday. Either car I pick will probly be my daily driver also...so maybe autox isn't the best idea until I can afford a second car...

Originally posted by klohiq
sorry...but i have to say yuck lol...

If I get a 240 I'm dropping in an sr20 (red top) probly and if I get an mr2 I'm just going to modify the 3s-gte stock turbo motor. Rotaries might be better for performance, but for reliability and durability I'll go with a piston engine anyday. Either car I pick will probly be my daily driver also...so maybe autox isn't the best idea until I can afford a second car...

Good idea :)

Sorry, I'm just a fan of the rotary motor. I grew up around it.

It's alright. I have a lot of respect for someone who likes the rebuild their engines every 60k :biggrin:. Just kidding I know a lot don't have that much problems...and they can be very reliable. Just not my cup of tea :).

I haven't known a lot of people who are rotary fans, but they are pretty cool. They sound really fucked up though. There's this pizza delivery guy around here with a baby blue metallic first gen. Stock exterior and I think stock engine, but not sure...stock or moded it sounds really wierd either way...

I used to be a domestic hater, I don't mind 'em so much anymore.

But I have many issues with someone putting an American V8 in anything other than an American car. . just. . not okay.

I'll take KA-turbo, or SR, or RB, thank you :)

Anyone have any info on VK / ZH / VH swap?

I've never seen it done in a 240sx, only a hardbody truck.

I've heard that the VK is too wide for a direct swap. Too bad, since it's such a great motor.

What about the VQ? The VQ30 only weighs 108lbs minus accessories.

Originally posted by VQuick
I've heard that the VK is too wide for a direct swap. Too bad, since it's such a great motor.

What about the VQ? The VQ30 only weighs 108lbs minus accessories.

VQ or VG??? damn people, learn your abbreviations. VQ30 would be the FWD Maxima motor from the last few 3-litre generations. the newest Maxima/G35/350Z engine is the VQ35. the old 300ZX motor, if that's what you meant, is VG30.

No, I meant VQ. Trust me, I own one.:wink: I don't know how much the VQ35s weigh, so I just used the VQ30's weight for a ballpark figure.

There are also rwd VQ30DETs available from the JDM Cedric and Gloria. I saw one for as low as $995. The VQ25DET makes '276hp,' so you know the 3L is making even more.:cool:

Originally posted by VQuick
No, I meant VQ. Trust me, I own one.:wink: I don't know how much the VQ35s weigh, so I just used the VQ30's weight for a ballpark figure.

There are also rwd VQ30DETs available from the JDM Cedric and Gloria. I saw one for as low as $995. The VQ25DET makes '276hp,' so you know the 3L is making even more.:cool:

ah, how right you are. i forgot about those engines. good eye. :cool:

No prob. You're a 240SX enthusiast, I'm a Maxima enthusiast.:bigthumb: I'm here trying to learn more about 240s, since I'm using an S13 hatch and MCS14 in my racing story.

That said, somebody do a VQ swap already!:tongue: Get the Pathfinder motor and tranny. It can't be that hard.:redface:

Originally posted by RBlue
Anyone have any info on VK / ZH / VH swap?

what are those from???

Sorry, but I've never heard of those engines mentioned anywhere...

Those engines are all V8s.

VH45DE(278hp)- 1st gen Q45
VH41DE(266hp)- 2nd gen Q45
VK45DE(315-345hp)- 3rd gen Q45, M45 and FX45.

The VK was previously known as the ZH. I think I remember hearing at Freshalloy that the VH may fit, but no one really wanted to do it, since they really wanted the VK instead.

The problem you run into isn't length, it's width. The V8 has about 1" clearance and it has a narrow head compaired to the OHC motors since it has a OHV setup.

dont be dissing the car because it has the LT1. Show some respect when its due. His screenname is Aries in other forums and he will be more than happy to disgrace you and your friends. Given it costed him alot of money, it was a project for him to enjoy, to have a damn fast UNIQUE car without getting the rbs like so many other people.
How many sub 10 seconds 240s are out there? I doubt any of you do.

Ah I see...Now I understand why I didn't recognize those engine abbreviations.

Anyone know how much it cost him? And we aren't "dissing" him (for the most part at least :lol:) we are just saying we don't like the idea of american engines in japanese cars. Just like if I saw a Porsche 911 with an LT1 engine in it (not about to argue the feasibility or anything...just follow the idea not how it would work) I wouldn't like it even if it was faster than the original german engine.

I'm sure if you dropped an RB inside a nice C5 corvette domestic enthusiasts would hate the idea...even more so if you dropped an SR20...I can just imagine it now "4 cylinder < 8 cylinder...aka tat kar is krap"...blah

i dont kno how much it costed him, but hes always on at the NICO forum. you could ask him there. I agree i dont like hybrids. Nissans should stick with Nissan engines. Toyota with Toyota engines. Mazda with Mazda engines. But to have a 240 fly that fast in the 1/4 mile is something.

I know every penny that is in that car... and I'll just say that being unique is not cheap.

That V8 might be Holy Powerful but it belongs in a fucking Sedan... I think that if any swaps at all are to take place it should be with in the nissan family. I would accept Nissan V8.

Originally posted by ThaLegend
That V8 might be Holy Powerful but it belongs in a fucking Sedan... I think that if any swaps at all are to take place it should be with in the nissan family. I would accept Nissan V8.

Await Godzilla my friend... it will come for you all

Originally posted by NismoFreakS14
I know every penny that is in that car... and I'll just say that being unique is not cheap.

Personally I think being unique is good, but it depends how you are unique. Doing something that has never been done before is unique, but it's a little different than the unique I like. I think it's cool when someone takes a lot of other ideas and makes something that everyone else while trying to do the next big thing overlooks. When someone else throws a bigger v8 into the 240 and pulls off better 1/4 mile times very few will remember this LT1 powered car. Style is remembered usually, but uniqueness fades over time.

Everyone tries to do the next big thing, but it's the little things that really change the industry over time.

I seen this so called V8 240sx up close... nothing special to me, but then again thats my opinion. I was at the popular street in Houston called Westheimer (Saturday night streetracing/hangouts...) he pulls up in his V8 240sx everyone is amazed, I admit it was different, but it did not impress me at all.

Originally posted by ThaLegend
I seen this so called V8 240sx up close... nothing special to me, but then again thats my opinion. I was at the popular street in Houston called Westheimer (Saturday night streetracing/hangouts...) he pulls up in his V8 240sx everyone is amazed, I admit it was different, but it did not impress me at all.

There's something for everyone. I get excited by all the engine monitoring devices and management tools. Alot of people think I'm a total weirdo, but hey... I don't give a fuck what they think haha.

Does it sound like a regular V8?

Originally posted by klohiq
Does it sound like a regular V8?

In all fairness, the car sounds better than alot of the Camaros I know of. It definately has a V8 tone to it.

Originally posted by NismoFreakS14


1. A 400R has a special production N1 series block, it's a 2.8L not a 2.6L
2. Redline does not necessarily dictate how fast a car is... see Honda
3. It's not that easy to just "keep the AWD tranny" you need the tranny, transfer case, front diff, front shafts, forward driveshaft, rear driveshaft, and to change the front end strut/coil setup to a double wishbone skyline GTR design with the hubs incorporating space for the front halfshafts.
4. For an RB25 to run a 9.8 your talking about SERIOUS modifications. Head work, cams, springs, solid lifters, 800+cc injectors, cryo-ed transmission gears or aftermarket replacement, built bottom end, balanced and blueprinted motor, rear differential upgrade, rear ring and pinion upgrade, standalone management, race gas, T67+ sized turbo, intercooler, custom piping, suspension mods, ETC ETC ETC and a serious driver. A damn 400+rwhp SR20 only runs a high 11-sec. quarter mile on drag radials.

9's aren't all about power, it's about delivery and putting it to the ground. The V8 car runs good because unlike most people we actually made the car hook-up. We didn't just throw a bunch of power into it and wonder why it runs a 10.80 @ 162 mph like alot of the Supra owners out there. It's easy to sit around and bullshit about building a car to run 9s, but until you actually do it, it's hard to realize just how hard it is to do.

BTW, I'm not saying it's the fastest thing alive, but its one of the fastest S-chassis cars in the US for certain.

I'm working with a UK team to produce my project car. It'll be an RB26 into my maroon S14 utilizing some high lift Tomei 272s, stock bottom end, and a set of HKS GT-RS turbochargers to the tune of about 700rwhp. I've helped them tune the GTRs with this setup, it wasn't easy since we had to work around some surge issues with the lower boost settings but we are making progress.

:useless:

what do you mean non existant 240 with rb26dett. If my computer was cool and had a scanner or digital camera I would be posting pics of mine right know. Its been posted before but the thread was closed.

not the time, not the place, flamers need to learn about PRIVATE MESSAGES. please learn about them and use them to try to keep the board a little less messy.

Back to the HICAS thing, I still can't find the site that I was looking at earlier, i'm sorry, and if I come across it again, i'll let you know.

Originally posted by S13GTR
what do you mean non existant 240 with rb26dett. If my computer was cool and had a scanner or digital camera I would be posting pics of mine right know. Its been posted before but the thread was closed.


We had a guy come in and claim he had an RB26. We challenged him with some questions and he knew shit all about them. he was :owned:

The link is in my sig, go read it, Im sure you if anyone will appreciate it

If you dont believe me thats cool. Im used to it already. Try the thread called RB26DETT in a 89 240SX PICS and tell me what you think. I know it doesnt look the best from the outside.

Originally posted by Dorikin



We had a guy come in and claim he had an RB26. We challenged him with some questions and he knew shit all about them. he was :owned:

The link is in my sig, go read it, Im sure you if anyone will appreciate it

Your welcome to try and challenge my knowledge of the RB26 motor. :bigthumb:

First off we put a computer controlled LT1 in a 240SX. Don't see too many of those running around, in fact... I haven't seen ANY apart from our car. Our ability with a wrench is better than most, and we aren't afraid to tackle projects.

I can explain to you most of the predicted work we know will have to happen in order to place the motor in the car. I'm not joking or trying to blow my horn when I say the car will get a RB26.

Im not calling BS on either of you.

I do remember the S13 w.RB26, and have seen the LT1 hybrid.

I was stating that some kid came here claiming he had an RB26 in his S13 from a R33, and he couldnt answer the most basic questions, like what tranny is needed, and since he got a front clip, what gauge is in the middle in the dashboard.

Kid was so fuckin stupid, he said he had a 6 speed from his R33 :rolleyes:

I only had pics of my car posted so you nissan freaks would see and hopefully do. I personaly think its dissapointing that mine is the only rb26dett S13 I have seen or herd of on the streets in the US.

if i had cash, id drop in an RB26

but i dont, and i cant, so i wont. :)

EDIT:

:frown:

Originally posted by S13GTR
I only had pics of my car posted so you nissan freaks would see and hopefully do. I personaly think its dissapointing that mine is the only rb26dett S13 I have seen or herd of on the streets in the US.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112654&highlight=rb26dett+240sx

all I can say is. . . WOW!!
I am very impressed. . how does it handle? I've only driven an s13 hatch with RB20 in it, but never REALLY got to test that.... Hows the RB26?

Think he'd wanna put one in an S14? :D

Originally posted by RalphCare
if i had cash, id drop in an RB26

but i dont, and i cant, so i wont. :)

EDIT:

:frown:

I concur :bigthumb:

RBlue, the car handles like the stock ka is still in it but I cant say much more than that cuz Im still running stock suspension. If you are interested in one I can get the instalation hookups for little $$. Drop me a mail [email protected]

s13gtr, you re not the only one that has a RB26 in his car. im assuming you havent frequented the NICO board? there are other owners there that would love to have a meet and just hang out. sides, if you kno cameron, or nightxc777, ask him for other owners that has the rb26 in their car. Unfortunately, if you know cameron, you also know he gipped more than 7 people of their money, bout 3000 from each person, so hes in hiding at AZ so i dont think he would be answerin phones to tell you of other rb26 owners. those who dont kno night, he knows a shitload bout the rbs, and people purchased rbs from him, but he hasnt delivered cuz his importer, Rob from JTC, hasnt delivered. and now Nights getting reamed. thats my opinion.

but funny.. for some reason i thought RB26 had to be customed to single turbo to fit 240s cuz of the steering column was in the way? so technically speaking it would be an Rb26det, not dett. i m not here to fight with you, im just curious whether yours has 1 or 2 turbo.

reading that closed thread, one thing i have to say. You have to get a CUSTOM DRIVESHAFT for the rb26. s13, even ask Night, he will tell you that you need custom driveshaft. go to the website below, and you would see Night posting that you need a custom driveshaft, assuming admins didnt delete it.

http://www.nissaninfiniticlub.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=135

that site has TONS of people that HAVE RB26 in their car for awhile now and will be happy to provide any information with you guys. Also, any mention of a meet and they try to show up so if you want real LIVE proof, go to one of the meets.

Now that we have that strait. Im gald there are more 26's on the road. And Im running the stock turbos. Both of them. I did have a shit load of rack modifying to make them fit though. Of course there is a custom driveshaft (aluminum). Im not speeking of NIGHT and dont know why you bring it up.

Originally posted by S13GTR
RBlue, the car handles like the stock ka is still in it but I cant say much more than that cuz Im still running stock suspension. If you are interested in one I can get the instalation hookups for little $$. Drop me a mail [email protected]

Damn I wish. . . it'd going to be a little while before i can actually afford it. .

That's impressive that it still handles like KA!! That is truly awesome. .

I've got an S14. . . do you think he'd be able to work around that? Or would an S13 be a better platform?

:bigthumb: Thats a nice 240sx :smile: Hauls ass!





Originally posted by R.W.240
yeah the LT1 Blows unless you've got something that wheighs 4000lbs make it the LS1 from a Z06 and you may have something.

:eek7: I cant believe some people are allowed to have children. :sly:

RB26DETT > LS1

Originally posted by SR20DETpower
RB26DETT > LS1


03 SVT Cobra Engine > RB26DETT

:tongue:

whats with all the a-holes coming into the 240 froums and preaching how great domestics are? anyhoo Dk i may have been a bit harsh on the Lt-1 but its not a motor i like so :thefinger you and your in the wrong place if your going to talk about how much greater the cobra engine is compared to the Rb26.



RB26DETT > LS1 :thefinger

no offense nissanfreak but none other then the GTR should ever be called godzilla. if i had a picture of you or this v8 240 id beat it with my shoe. and if your gonna call this v8 thing godzilla ill come to your house and hit you personally with my shoe. other than that we koo?

Originally posted by R.W.240
whats with all the a-holes coming into the 240 froums and preaching how great domestics are? anyhoo Dk i may have been a bit harsh on the Lt-1 but its not a motor i like so :thefinger you and your in the wrong place if your going to talk about how much greater the cobra engine is compared to the Rb26.

Ok, Your point? Hmm... Lets see why i said what i did.

"yeah the LT1 Blows unless you've got something that wheighs 4000lbs"

:bloated: That would be like me saying... "Yeah the RB engines suck unless you got something thats 4500lbs"

See? Makes absolutely no sense.

And...

"make it the LS1 from a Z06 and you may have something."

:eek7: If you knew anything about F/Y Bodies you would know that the LS1s are only in 98-02 F-bodies and C5 'Vettes, NOT the Z06... The Z06 has the LS6 engine. Dont assume that Im in here to preach about how great the 03 SVT engine is. Everyone SHOULD know its a powerful engine so, again your point? I was just browsing through the forums and then saw your post. If theres anything I hate more is people giving off biased, misinformation to other people which seems to be plenty of it throughout this board. :sly:

Im not an a-hole and im not "preaching" domestics. I happen to like the 240sx alot even though it gets tiring seeing it on SuperStreet/Import Tuner over and over and over again with the same damn CF hood and "Drift" wing/body kit. Im probably one of the most unbiased domestic driver so dont go around ASSuming Im in here to BS the imports. :sly: