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slix
08-02-2003, 07:07 PM
I am so sick of all the hype around the 240sx now days. When I'm driving or am at a show I'm not even entered in, I constantly have new drivers or ricers coming up to me asking insane questions such as "Why don't you drop in an RB26DETT???", "is this one of those drifting cars?" or "can you do an 11 sec quarter??" The 240 is becoming the new civic in imports today. Because of those magazines (you know the ones I'm talking about) saying that the 240 is the most fun and easiest thing to fix up, everyone's jumping on the bandwagon. I in no way regret making my choice to purchase a 240, it's just a little disheartening when the 15 yr old girl down the street asks for one from her daddy,gets a 3000 body kit, then paints it purple and is the "coolest" thing around at her high school. There are few people who still respect the car for what it is: a nice, affordable RWD starter with great potential. Anyone else feel similarly?
Suislide
08-02-2003, 09:09 PM
me. i fucking hate it. read my post in one of the other threads for more details, but i just hate how i have loved the car for so long when nobody else did, and now right when i'm finally able to get my own, it becomes a huge fad and i'm not unique anymore. like i've said many times before, i will still buy a 240SX and will still do everything to it that i've been planning to do for years now, but i still hate how it's becoming so popularized. but fuck what the crowd's doing and fuck what the trend is. i build my car to make ME happy, not them or anyone else.
R.W.240
08-02-2003, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by S13_Iketani
. but fuck what the crowd's doing and fuck what the trend is. i build my car to make ME happy, not them or anyone else.
:werd:
. but fuck what the crowd's doing and fuck what the trend is. i build my car to make ME happy, not them or anyone else.
:werd:
RyanGiorgio
08-02-2003, 10:20 PM
Don't drive yet, probably won't be driving a 240 when I do get my license...but I still have a high respect for this car. Every so often I see some S13's around here...they aren't nice, they have lame thumping systems and huge rims with a fat APC muffler. Fuck all that. If your going to ruin a sacred car like this, why don't you just leave it fucking stock. It also pisses me off that people think a riced car is the hot shit, when in reality, the die-hard import fans will say a stock Silvia S13 is nicer, and those faggot "cool kids" will laugh at us. Its so fucking gay what the import scene has transformed into. You all know the kids that come here and show off there 240's with ugly ass "fang" kits. They get flamed from us, but you know there cocky friends think it the hottest ride in town. Fuck them and fuck all the import fans to come.
Fliquer
08-02-2003, 10:56 PM
Im sure die-hard civic tuners feel the same way.
Fuck people who jump on the 240sx bandwagon because its trendy. But also fuck people who have a "holier than thou" attitude because their car is RWD; as if they are 10x cooler because they drive a 240sx A guy in a stock 240sx isnt any cooler than a guy in a stock civic. Its what YOU do WITH your car that makes you cool or not cool. (btw, "with" is not synonymous with "to")
Oh, you say your 240sx is better for racing because it can handle well? Alright then, tell me what tracks you have been to and what hot-laps you have run. Wait, you've never been to a race track? Not even auto-x? But your car is cool because it can drift? So then I'll be seeing you in the next local D1 event right? No?
OH, I see...you're a "street racer", I guess THATS cool... :loser:
Fuck people who jump on the 240sx bandwagon because its trendy. But also fuck people who have a "holier than thou" attitude because their car is RWD; as if they are 10x cooler because they drive a 240sx A guy in a stock 240sx isnt any cooler than a guy in a stock civic. Its what YOU do WITH your car that makes you cool or not cool. (btw, "with" is not synonymous with "to")
Oh, you say your 240sx is better for racing because it can handle well? Alright then, tell me what tracks you have been to and what hot-laps you have run. Wait, you've never been to a race track? Not even auto-x? But your car is cool because it can drift? So then I'll be seeing you in the next local D1 event right? No?
OH, I see...you're a "street racer", I guess THATS cool... :loser:
Prelewd
08-03-2003, 12:38 AM
I see all this bickering about the 240 going mainstream.. It's the unofficial mantra of the 240/nissan purist. Just don't worry about it. All the trendy will have their clear tails and LEDs, but the real machine will be with the enthusiasts, and they can tell the difference in the end. Fuck everyone else.
Just don't worry about this shit.
Just don't worry about this shit.
RalphCare
08-03-2003, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by S13_Iketani
me. i fucking hate it. read my post in one of the other threads for more details, but i just hate how i have loved the car for so long when nobody else did, and now right when i'm finally able to get my own, it becomes a huge fad and i'm not unique anymore. like i've said many times before, i will still buy a 240SX and will still do everything to it that i've been planning to do for years now, but i still hate how it's becoming so popularized. but fuck what the crowd's doing and fuck what the trend is. i build my car to make ME happy, not them or anyone else.
my thoughts EXACTLY (and i stress the exactly.. right down to the tee)
me. i fucking hate it. read my post in one of the other threads for more details, but i just hate how i have loved the car for so long when nobody else did, and now right when i'm finally able to get my own, it becomes a huge fad and i'm not unique anymore. like i've said many times before, i will still buy a 240SX and will still do everything to it that i've been planning to do for years now, but i still hate how it's becoming so popularized. but fuck what the crowd's doing and fuck what the trend is. i build my car to make ME happy, not them or anyone else.
my thoughts EXACTLY (and i stress the exactly.. right down to the tee)
drift into a curb
08-03-2003, 12:56 AM
Just let the fad pass I say. All the trendy people will realize they don't know what they are doing and the diehards will still be in the game. Personally, I believe things will be settled on the track. The posers will be seperated from the real enthusiasts. It is all too common to see a guy with a swap that doesn't know the first thing about driving. Not to say I'm a good driver, far from it, but I've been road racing for quite awhile and have much to learn. At least the car is no longer in production and with the rate that people are crashing their cars these days, I expect my car to become more rare.
NSX-R-SSJ20K
08-03-2003, 04:10 AM
i don't see what being cool has to do with anything if you're avoiding the trend and being yourself about it.
The only car i'd put a bodykit on is in my sig i'm starting to think being subtle is better. Like Bodykits available for the Skyline are mostly but ugly and the fast ones don't have stupid over done bodykits anyway. They just have Carbon diffusers and Rear Spoiler.
If i went with trend in England i'd be driving a 125hp 16v 1.6 liter Citroen Saxo with Euros and Neons but i'm not going to fucking do that because FRENCH SHIT BOXES ARE BUTT UGLY.
Incidently i subscribed to SuperStreet (i kinda wish i hadn't) i read the articles but it seems to be only the Articles about Japanese vehicles in Japan.
Personnally i think we need to plan a revolution and make all the trend freaks believe mustang V6's are trendy.
The only car i'd put a bodykit on is in my sig i'm starting to think being subtle is better. Like Bodykits available for the Skyline are mostly but ugly and the fast ones don't have stupid over done bodykits anyway. They just have Carbon diffusers and Rear Spoiler.
If i went with trend in England i'd be driving a 125hp 16v 1.6 liter Citroen Saxo with Euros and Neons but i'm not going to fucking do that because FRENCH SHIT BOXES ARE BUTT UGLY.
Incidently i subscribed to SuperStreet (i kinda wish i hadn't) i read the articles but it seems to be only the Articles about Japanese vehicles in Japan.
Personnally i think we need to plan a revolution and make all the trend freaks believe mustang V6's are trendy.
IwannaDRift
08-03-2003, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
Personnally i think we need to plan a revolution and make all the trend freaks believe mustang V6's are trendy.
Yups^^^^^
I mean come on already, don't kill everything that people have by making it a trend.. But seriously though.. I just say, I build the car for myself and fuck the rest of them.. I mean their mentality is that of a monkey, like we're saying "copy what I do, and you will be cool", and you know that they will be happy in their white leather "type R style" seats and stock d16s, but yet they still buy 240's and Corollas (AE86's).. I was driving my sisters Hyundai accent and they are all trying to race me, why?? because he car has sounds, thats it.... I still busted their punk asses at 115, and yes, thats true, the car did hit 115, but seriously though, fuck em, if they wanna have neon lights and bodykits and shit, let them have it.. I'll be in line to take and strip their cars when they are done with their fads.. PEas!!!!!
Personnally i think we need to plan a revolution and make all the trend freaks believe mustang V6's are trendy.
Yups^^^^^
I mean come on already, don't kill everything that people have by making it a trend.. But seriously though.. I just say, I build the car for myself and fuck the rest of them.. I mean their mentality is that of a monkey, like we're saying "copy what I do, and you will be cool", and you know that they will be happy in their white leather "type R style" seats and stock d16s, but yet they still buy 240's and Corollas (AE86's).. I was driving my sisters Hyundai accent and they are all trying to race me, why?? because he car has sounds, thats it.... I still busted their punk asses at 115, and yes, thats true, the car did hit 115, but seriously though, fuck em, if they wanna have neon lights and bodykits and shit, let them have it.. I'll be in line to take and strip their cars when they are done with their fads.. PEas!!!!!
RWD Maniac
08-03-2003, 07:29 PM
:werd: :iagree:
trends are stupid.
I was always a fan of 240sx... nuff said.
I will just make my 240 when i get mine that is.. to what i want, and drive it for a good few years... and of course pay to get into a race track and have some fun.. i am not planning for a sr swap, maybe just put in a newer ka... something i think is less trendy
street racing is pathetic.... really is..
trends are stupid.
I was always a fan of 240sx... nuff said.
I will just make my 240 when i get mine that is.. to what i want, and drive it for a good few years... and of course pay to get into a race track and have some fun.. i am not planning for a sr swap, maybe just put in a newer ka... something i think is less trendy
street racing is pathetic.... really is..
Suislide
08-03-2003, 07:53 PM
who cares if an SR is trendy? it's a good engine and that's why i want one for my car, i don't care how many people already have them.
IwannaDRift
08-03-2003, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by S13_Iketani
who cares if an SR is trendy? it's a good engine and that's why i want one for my car, i don't care how many people already have them.
Yups, sure its trendy and overly popular, but it works and that matters most IMHO.. PEaS!!!!!!!
who cares if an SR is trendy? it's a good engine and that's why i want one for my car, i don't care how many people already have them.
Yups, sure its trendy and overly popular, but it works and that matters most IMHO.. PEaS!!!!!!!
RWD Maniac
08-03-2003, 08:37 PM
heh, i just dont want to order parts when something blows..
Suislide
08-03-2003, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by RWD Maniac
heh, i just dont want to order parts when something blows..
but you know what? i bet the SR is so popular over here now that there's not many parts that you would have to order for. just go to an SR supplier in the States and you'd probably find what you need, or there's always eBay. when the SR was first getting popular over here, sure you'd have to wait for a while for parts, but now, i bet it would be the same as normal.
heh, i just dont want to order parts when something blows..
but you know what? i bet the SR is so popular over here now that there's not many parts that you would have to order for. just go to an SR supplier in the States and you'd probably find what you need, or there's always eBay. when the SR was first getting popular over here, sure you'd have to wait for a while for parts, but now, i bet it would be the same as normal.
RalphCare
08-03-2003, 09:58 PM
there are 4 or 5 US shops that carry SR20 parts over KA parts.. so that tells u something.
srswap, enjukuracing
plenty others
srswap, enjukuracing
plenty others
drift into a curb
08-03-2003, 10:14 PM
Yes there are plenty of parts available for the sr20 that are interchangeable from other nissan motors. LOL, how many of you actually have a 240sx here? I see alot of avatars and sigs with 240s in them, but not many actual owners.
IwannaDRift
08-03-2003, 10:15 PM
I have one.... yay!!!! peas!!!!!
RalphCare
08-03-2003, 10:19 PM
im trying to get an s13 coupe... so i guess its a start.
Suislide
08-03-2003, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by drift into a curb
Yes there are plenty of parts available for the sr20 that are interchangeable from other nissan motors. LOL, how many of you actually have a 240sx here? I see alot of avatars and sigs with 240s in them, but not many actual owners.
who cares? i owned one before that was a lemon so i sold it, and i'm now hard on cash and will own another one before the end of September. does it matter that i don't have one? no, because i still know more then you do about them. :bigthumb:
Yes there are plenty of parts available for the sr20 that are interchangeable from other nissan motors. LOL, how many of you actually have a 240sx here? I see alot of avatars and sigs with 240s in them, but not many actual owners.
who cares? i owned one before that was a lemon so i sold it, and i'm now hard on cash and will own another one before the end of September. does it matter that i don't have one? no, because i still know more then you do about them. :bigthumb:
Fliquer
08-03-2003, 11:41 PM
But when your SR needs a new waterpump gasket you cant just hop over to pep boys and pick one up for $5.
IwannaDRift
08-03-2003, 11:57 PM
^^
True as that may be, it will be a more beautiful day when you finally find one... I can't speak from experience because I don't have an SR20DET but, I will be very happy when I do finally get one, not because I wanna jump on the bandwangon, I just want performance, as most of us do.. or there would be no such things as H22's in Civics and K20's in Eks(yes, it has been done, I know that they turn in different directions) or even SR20s and CA18's in RMS13's....
True as that may be, it will be a more beautiful day when you finally find one... I can't speak from experience because I don't have an SR20DET but, I will be very happy when I do finally get one, not because I wanna jump on the bandwangon, I just want performance, as most of us do.. or there would be no such things as H22's in Civics and K20's in Eks(yes, it has been done, I know that they turn in different directions) or even SR20s and CA18's in RMS13's....
Jimster
08-04-2003, 12:00 AM
Unfortunately there will always be trends that we are going to hate- nothing is worse than ricers who look down on the real enthusiasts- who think they have some nerve calling themselves enthusiasts- Ricers don't like cars- they like using thier cars to look trendy- simple as that. Personally I don't blame people using Silvia's for show purposes- the Silvia is a damned nice looking car- and looks nice when given tasteful treatment- but when people start saying thier stock engined show cars with an APC fart-can is fast- THAT's where the line must be drawn. Soon enough a new movie about Muscle cars will come out and the Ricers will go I want a Stang/Camaro y0! then by a V6 F-Body/Stang and rice those out somehow and we'll be free to love our imports again :bigthumb:
klohiq
08-04-2003, 12:44 AM
2 fast 2 fiero!
spindrift187
08-04-2003, 12:57 AM
Yea its gotten pretty bad when im ridin with my friend tonight ( in his 91 automatic accord ) and hes talking about dropping an H22 in it, then seconds later he rips the e-brake jus driving down the road and slides into another lane then asks," That was a pretty good drift right?" :sly:
Fliquer
08-04-2003, 02:02 AM
You need to punch your friend right in the face....hard.
klohiq
08-04-2003, 02:03 AM
lmfao! punch him hard while he's drifting!!!!!!!!!
TheXfiend
08-04-2003, 02:14 AM
It does suck for us people that love the 240. I've wanted a 240 for such a long time it isn't funny, I managed to get one for my first car! One of the reasons i liked it so much was that you rarely saw a 240 on the road, now there are people who see you and just figure you hopped on the bandwagon.
At the same time though, I'll do what I want to do to my car. If someone with a honda thinks i hopped on the 240 bandwagon, fuck him I'll meet him at the nearest red light and see what his 14 foot high spoiler does for him.:thefinger
@ spindrift
That is the most pathetic thing I've heard for a long time.
I don't think there's enough time to punch him while he's "drifting" maybe afterwards
At the same time though, I'll do what I want to do to my car. If someone with a honda thinks i hopped on the 240 bandwagon, fuck him I'll meet him at the nearest red light and see what his 14 foot high spoiler does for him.:thefinger
@ spindrift
That is the most pathetic thing I've heard for a long time.
I don't think there's enough time to punch him while he's "drifting" maybe afterwards
stealthj
08-04-2003, 02:17 AM
I know, i hate these fuckin faggots, think they are showing off or something?
I feel so sorry for those REAl civic owners, the ones who kNOW there shit,
I miss my 240Z :(
I feel so sorry for those REAl civic owners, the ones who kNOW there shit,
I miss my 240Z :(
Corupt_govt
08-04-2003, 02:29 AM
Im feeling so anti-trendy I'm about to call all you homos trendy for hyping the shit outa the 240. Its all your fault the 240 got trendy in the first place, quit talking about the car, Sr swaps, links to body kits/rims etc. Don't you guys get it? Its forums like these that make our car even more popular. popularity leads to trendyness which is therefore food for rice. Now I'm starting to understand why people keep leaving these forums. Figure shit out on your own, I'm through with these forums!
"If your not part of the solution, then your part of the problem."
"If your not part of the solution, then your part of the problem."
IwannaDRift
08-04-2003, 02:46 AM
I ain't homo.. heres a link for everyone to find a good car at www.ford.com
klohiq
08-04-2003, 03:50 AM
Trends come and go. Remember back in the mid 90's when hacking was a craze and now it still is done a lot but it's not really trendy to say you're a hacker. Same thing happened with skaters/bladers/bmx and everyone wanted to be tony hawk or some crap. Happens with everything...no matter how much you try to keep it a secret.
This will come and go and yes this forum contributes to the popularity, but Super Street and magazines like that are the ones that make it a fad. This forum just introduces more people to the cars. I've learned a lot from these forums in the short time I've been here. I was a 240sx freak before I came and I still am.
This will come and go and yes this forum contributes to the popularity, but Super Street and magazines like that are the ones that make it a fad. This forum just introduces more people to the cars. I've learned a lot from these forums in the short time I've been here. I was a 240sx freak before I came and I still am.
Fliquer
08-04-2003, 10:47 AM
FYI: Skaters hate tony hawk because they think hes a corporate sell-out.
klohiq
08-04-2003, 12:57 PM
because he pretty much is...i just think hes really talented thats why i mentioned him...come on he was doing tricks on jackass in a fat suit...i loved that lol
R.W.240
08-04-2003, 02:04 PM
:gives: i really dont care what other people are doing to their cars unless it makes horsepower or looks badass.
anyhoo i take back what i said about not holding it against super street since i just picked up the new issue Chu accuses other magizines of hyping 240s and drifting when thats what hes been doing for years... Asshole.
anyhoo i take back what i said about not holding it against super street since i just picked up the new issue Chu accuses other magizines of hyping 240s and drifting when thats what hes been doing for years... Asshole.
VQuick
08-04-2003, 04:51 PM
Yeah, I've noticed the trend too. I've been writing stories about racing, and I wanted my main character to have a car that was a bit of an underdog. In the first part, he has a 2nd gen CRX. For the second, he gets an S14.
Now, I guess the 240s are hyped up, so now the choice won't seem so odd to everyone...darn.:redface:
Now, I guess the 240s are hyped up, so now the choice won't seem so odd to everyone...darn.:redface:
Myrrdex
08-04-2003, 05:47 PM
Ok for my first post this will be a good one. I have been an onlooker too long for this bull shit. I cannot believe some of the shit i have seen on automotive forums. I have loved the 240 for quite a while now but haven't known much about it. Recently I have read up on the 240 and have found out almost as much as you can know without owning one. I hate that the 240 forum has so many retards in it and that is why i havent posted a stupid question yet. I would rather look it up. :comprage1 I finally have a chance to get a 240 soon and I dont care what the fuck everyone else does because i am going to make my car look good and fast. And yes i want to learn how to drift but this has been something i have wanted to do for a while.
I feel your pain Iketani but think about how easy parts will be to get here when the sr is something everyone does. I wasnt even planning on getting an SR, but if what you guys say is going to happen, all the ricers will get one, then i might get one because it will be easier to find parts because the ricers are too fucking stupid to do anything for themselves and then soon it will be cheaper.
I say who gives a fuck if a ricer wants to sit on the side of the road and watch me drive fast in my stock 240 when he has all kinds of stupid plastic shit on his car and a SR under the hood.
It is what you do with your car that makes it the car, not what is on it, so let the ricers take the SR and run with it. AND yes someone is a ricer if they get a fucking SR and dont ever go over 45 on the the street and 55 on the highway, and never goes to any events besides Hot Import Nights and related events.
I am glad that is over with.
I feel your pain Iketani but think about how easy parts will be to get here when the sr is something everyone does. I wasnt even planning on getting an SR, but if what you guys say is going to happen, all the ricers will get one, then i might get one because it will be easier to find parts because the ricers are too fucking stupid to do anything for themselves and then soon it will be cheaper.
I say who gives a fuck if a ricer wants to sit on the side of the road and watch me drive fast in my stock 240 when he has all kinds of stupid plastic shit on his car and a SR under the hood.
It is what you do with your car that makes it the car, not what is on it, so let the ricers take the SR and run with it. AND yes someone is a ricer if they get a fucking SR and dont ever go over 45 on the the street and 55 on the highway, and never goes to any events besides Hot Import Nights and related events.
I am glad that is over with.
Suislide
08-04-2003, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by Corupt_govt
Im feeling so anti-trendy I'm about to call all you homos trendy for hyping the shit outa the 240. Its all your fault the 240 got trendy in the first place, quit talking about the car, Sr swaps, links to body kits/rims etc. Don't you guys get it? Its forums like these that make our car even more popular. popularity leads to trendyness which is therefore food for rice. Now I'm starting to understand why people keep leaving these forums. Figure shit out on your own, I'm through with these forums!
"If your not part of the solution, then your part of the problem."
good riddance.
Im feeling so anti-trendy I'm about to call all you homos trendy for hyping the shit outa the 240. Its all your fault the 240 got trendy in the first place, quit talking about the car, Sr swaps, links to body kits/rims etc. Don't you guys get it? Its forums like these that make our car even more popular. popularity leads to trendyness which is therefore food for rice. Now I'm starting to understand why people keep leaving these forums. Figure shit out on your own, I'm through with these forums!
"If your not part of the solution, then your part of the problem."
good riddance.
ThaLegend
08-04-2003, 11:46 PM
The way this "Fad" is looking we just might end up like a Fucking Honda civic... people just buying the car because of all the hype around it. I do feel, for the real all engine JDM Civics. (ek9, eg6, ek4, etc...) I just dont want to pull into a parking lot. Where a 16 year old kid has the same car I have but with his APR Stickers all over it, and his Walmart Cold Air Intake, and so on... I am so glad they stopped making our cars for that reason. Whos with me??? :pimp:
stealthj
08-04-2003, 11:47 PM
im wit ya
spindrift187
08-05-2003, 12:30 AM
I'm not too worried about it, the real sx lovers will be willing to put up with repairing it constantly, the wannabe's wont. And even if they do keep putting up the money to have it in the shop, eventually they'll wreck theirs "drifting" adding value to ours :iceslolan
Vettemaster70
08-05-2003, 12:43 AM
All of this 240 crap is stupid, everyone of you are just upset because your car was in about 2 magazines this month and now people are going to want those pieces of shit. Now EVERYONE can drive a ricer!:lol:
drift into a curb
08-05-2003, 01:04 AM
Hey watch it there. The vette may be next! :iceslolan
Who cares, it's just a car anyway, lighten up people. Like I said, once all of the ricers crash their 240sx, the real enthusiasts will still be here. Then someone will offer me $10k for my car cuz it's so rare! :icon16:
Who cares, it's just a car anyway, lighten up people. Like I said, once all of the ricers crash their 240sx, the real enthusiasts will still be here. Then someone will offer me $10k for my car cuz it's so rare! :icon16:
ThaLegend
08-05-2003, 01:52 AM
My shit is already rare, and I dont want "Ricers" crashing 240's cause I might want the parts off those Sons of bitches... :pimp:
spindrift187
08-05-2003, 01:54 AM
Yea well don't be surprised when your parts are covered in Option stickers
ThaLegend
08-05-2003, 02:01 AM
Originally posted by spindrift187
Yea well don't be surprised when your parts are covered in Option stickers Do you have a 240? Spindrift?
Yea well don't be surprised when your parts are covered in Option stickers Do you have a 240? Spindrift?
barrigaS14
08-05-2003, 02:06 AM
the 240 will never comand the popularity as much as a Civic. NEVER. the fact of the matter is that the Civic is cheap to get and plentiful. the 240's never even reached the 500K sales mark. the most sales happened with the S13 and the 95 S14. other than that is was less than 10K in sales. next is the engine choices. look at 240's and think of engines...RB, KA, SR, CA. these drop in nice but compared to a Civic or any honda...shit it is endless and plus you can use heads and what not from other motors. you can't use a RB head for a SR or a SR head for a KA. the price for our cars is too much for what can be easily done for the Civic. just give it a year or so and it will be all gone and the ricers will be back with the Civics.
spindrift187
08-05-2003, 12:54 PM
Yes I bought my 3rd 240sx about 2 days ago:biggrin:
Dorikin
08-05-2003, 03:48 PM
See my long rant in my farewell thread for my thoughts.
As un-realistic as it is, I'd like to keep 240s undergrounmd, but sadly, it cant and wont happen.
Ill be back on a limited basis, to make sure the place doesnt go to hell.
As un-realistic as it is, I'd like to keep 240s undergrounmd, but sadly, it cant and wont happen.
Ill be back on a limited basis, to make sure the place doesnt go to hell.
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