Does anyone actually own an STI????

I am just cruious because I see all these threds saying that it is going to be bad ass I am just wondering if anyone has one

soon my brother. soon. i live in japan. they're about $28,000 here. i'm working up my cushion before i buy it...cash. test drove it. the dealer took an intersection at 50 mph. impressive. that's why it's called impreza i guess. my wife's cousin's husband has a '95. he kills skylines with it. it's sweet. unique sound too.

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Anyways... I know someone who has one :tongue:

well what do they think of it?

I know that sounds like a stupid question but what I mean is you see in every magazine how the evo beats it and I was wondering if he has driven an ev and what he thinks the difference is

Really....an EVO beats it in every mag? hahah the numbers are only off by a TINY margen only....Subaru can make their STi beat the EVO if they were to put a suspension like the one in the previous 22B STi in...

They're both close in times and comparision. The EVO does have a go-kart like handling feel to it but remember, it's stock vs stock. It'll be so different when two modified ones go up against each other... You can't go wrong with either, you just have to choose. I've got a couple of buddies that have STi's here. Silver, White, Blue, Black....all the colors I think. haha It pulls strong in all gears, not that I've seen 5 or 6th gears because we were on small roads but, the power is there with the 2.5 turbo motor. You can start in 2nd gear just fine due to the torque it has. With bolt ons and minor upgrades, you can get at least 400bhp with the stock VH30 turbo.

My buddy with the Silver STi says it's better than the white WRX he had previous. Faster, and handled so much better. The power is there and it's so fun to drive fast espeically at this one one-way circular road. It's just and awesome car!

If I had the money, I'd get myself both cars... Then again, I'll get the STi first...:wink:

BTW, I've not driven the STi, only ridden. I've yet to get my license 6 months after I turn 18.

I haven't driven one or ridden in one yet, but mine is due in later this month. Every indication I have seen is that there is a lot more room for improvement in the STi over how it arrives from the factory than in the EVO VIII. On a lower level, I have driven both the standard lancer and the Impreza 2.5RS, and the RS was better than the Lancer in just about every way imagineable.

stock turbo is IHI VF39
EVO has 19psi stock
STi runs around 15-16psi stock, but detonation when up the boost.
I don't think I am interested in either car, I will build a EJ20 engine and 6sp swap.

...i have a buddy with a 99 2.5 rsT. He's basically running a mild (ahem) turbo, built block, front mount, and custom exhaust. We pulled on a new gen STi NO QUESTIONS ASKED! Yes...they are a killer car stock...especially since it's got a factory warrant and vsd... :smile: ...but you can do much better for alot cheaper.

LONG LIVE SCOOBIES!

Originally posted by EJ20
stock turbo is IHI VF39
EVO has 19psi stock
STi runs around 15-16psi stock, but detonation when up the boost.
I don't think I am interested in either car, I will build a EJ20 engine and 6sp swap.


I wanna do that too , but I'm thinking about an EJ25 . A little extra displacement helps. :bigthumb: The EJ20 is a nasty little motor , but I'm worried about structural integrity past 450 Hp. Thats one thing iron blocks are good for. And I hear the new goodies bolt up to the old iron blocks pretty well....hmm.....:iceslolan

I myself own an STi.

On cool nights, I make 17.5 psi of boost. (Mind you this is a 100% stock vehicle).

It has just over 2500 miles on it, and I've loved every mile.

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ii naaaaa... STi ga hoshiiiiiii...
Can't wait til i reach my financial goal, then it's good bye integra, hello...i mean good bye everyone else! do you guys have the Spec C/Spec C Limited in the states? they are STi's and the spec c is avail. only in white and is stripped bare of all the non-essentials like spare tire coverboard, trunk carpeting, and i can't remember what else. the Spec C Limited has other color choices and is stripped like the spec c, but comes stock with a few goodies, like auto/man VCD controller (vice manual-only), and um man i forgot whatever else too. actually, i don't think you guys have these versions cuz they're stripped of the side impact beams in the doors (whatever they're called...), which would make them not pass your strict safety BS laws. why are they sold like this, all stripped down? 1) cheaper. 2) made for racing. i love living in japan man! not that i do ;), but if one wanted to street race there is almost no police presence on the roads. when they DO pull you over tho, they slam you. SLAM YOU HARD! ow!

I am very fortunate to have drivin both Evo and STI. As a big mitsubishi fan I pretty much decided that the EVO was best even before I drove 1. That quickly changed once I drove my friends blue STI. It is so much smoother then the evo and feels more responsive and a bit quicker. Evo seemed a bit 2 harsh and interior is way too tacky. Now I must say that the STI is one of my favorite cars and I hope to have one soon......

Most importantly the STI looks are great as the EVO looks like a lunchbox with a wing...

Originally posted by m3mark
I am very fortunate to have drivin both Evo and STI. As a big mitsubishi fan I pretty much decided that the EVO was best even before I drove 1. That quickly changed once I drove my friends blue STI. It is so much smoother then the evo and feels more responsive and a bit quicker. Evo seemed a bit 2 harsh and interior is way too tacky. Now I must say that the STI is one of my favorite cars and I hope to have one soon......

Most importantly the STI looks are great as the EVO looks like a lunchbox with a wing...


Much as I like WRX's , I would NOT pick the STi. The ride is better , which means the suspension is softer. Too soft , in fact. I'll take the Evo's harsher ride in exchange for handling , which several magazines have stated as being spot-on and the STi's as being too "wallowy" Those of you that require a softer suspension to cushion your ass can't consider yourselves real sport drivers. :thefinger Theres also the fact of detonation on less than 94 octane fuel , mostly caused by faulty ECU settings , but indicative of problems with the STi's head design. On the other hand , Mitsubishi's 4G63 , now with an all forged bottom end , has never had these problems , and can handle 500+ HP right out of the box. Not too mention I think the STi is ugly as all hell. The Evo isn't pretty either , but I know which one of the 2 is more capable. :lol:

I just bought an STI and it is unbelievable. For basically 31k you can't beat a better deal right now. If you're not into tuning cars, this car has everything you would modify a normal car with. The only down side is I've seen with the car so far is the gas milage, run the car hard and you can see the gas needle drop. Other then that, it's just like the articles read, the car pulls hard from start to finish, never feel any turbo lag and the grip of the car is awesome

Originally posted by marcus_gonzalez
I just bought an STI and it is unbelievable. For basically 31k you can't beat a better deal right now. If you're not into tuning cars, this car has everything you would modify a normal car with. The only down side is I've seen with the car so far is the gas milage, run the car hard and you can see the gas needle drop. Other then that, it's just like the articles read, the car pulls hard from start to finish, never feel any turbo lag and the grip of the car is awesome

For about $31,700 , I can get a Vishnu Stage 1 on the Evo , which puts it past 300 Hp and totally stomps the STi. The STi runs rich , because thats the default way of stopping detonation. Poor head design will keep that car hobbled with rock bottom timing advance until somone comes up with a better head design. In the meantime , The 4G63 is a proven design , and I'll pay a little more to enjoy it..........:biggrin:

I won't argue with the vishnu stage for the EVO, there are tuners out there that can do a lot with factory cars, i.e. ligenfelter with the corvette, renntech with the mercedes, cobb with subaru so on and so on, but IF you're not into tuning and want to buy a car stock straight from the factory with good performance and handling the STI is definitely worth a look. :smile:

Originally posted by marcus_gonzalez
I won't argue with the vishnu stage for the EVO, there are tuners out there that can do a lot with factory cars, i.e. ligenfelter with the corvette, renntech with the mercedes, cobb with subaru so on and so on, but IF you're not into tuning and want to buy a car stock straight from the factory with good performance and handling the STI is definitely worth a look. :smile:

Yes , maybe , but again , the Evo outhandles the STi. The STi is more "comfortable" riding , which is not what I look for in a peformance car. The Evo is a bit stiffer , and is a lot more stable in its attitude while cornering. It always beats the STi on the slalom tests in the mags I've read. The STi has too many minor issues , while the Evo has proven performance right out of the box. I'll spend the extra money for that .......... :cool:

Yes all the magazines have rated the Mitsubishi faster through the salom. I've read all the articles and more. however unless somebody is planning on doing some serious track work against someone of their own calibur they'll never see nor feel the "pitfalls" of the sti versus the evo. Last night I ran the STI through some 20mph back road curves at 50mph on wet roads after it rained, handling is more then good enough for what I want it for. As far as stiffness, it's plenty stiff, I spent 10 hours driving it from state to state through highways and backroads to get it home, the passenger kept complaining to switch lanes to find the smoother of the lanes because it suspension is as stiff as it is.

I have a 04 wrx sti. 3000 miles on it so far. No problems. Yep some of the sti were pinging and reflashing but if you go to the evo forums so were they. Like all the magazines have said it come down to what you like to drive. There it always that they came back to the sti as a daily driver.They are importing less sti's than evo's. Who knows how resale will be. The last true rally car massed produced in large numbers was mg metro gp3 that I remember. Yes there was the rs-200 but only in limited numbers. Then the big change to 2.0. In other words the cars were way to fast for the road rally and were crashing and killing people including spectators. (for what it worth).There's so much over seas that we can't get and never will as far as cars :banghead: . EPA

The last true rally car massed produced in large numbers was mg metro gp3 that I remember. Yes there was the rs-200 but only in limited numbers. Then the big change to 2.0. In other words the cars were way to fast for the road rally and were crashing and killing people including spectators. (for what it worth).There's so much over seas that we can't get and never will as far as cars :banghead: . EPA

The Escort RS Cosworth, Sierra RS Cosworth and Lancia Delta Evo were all rally cars that were mass produced in Europe, not to mention the Lancia 037 and Lancia Stratos Stradale which were produced in lesser numbers, all great cars too :sunglasse

Most of the more recent rally cars that have made it to the streets were more in keeping within the homologation rules than they were in meeting consumer demand.

I picked up my STi about 3 weeks ago. I can't really say what it will do yet as I'm still in the break in period.

The STi is a better sarting point than the EVO VIII. Granted, for $32k, a EVO VIII will be quicker than a STi. For $35k, it goes back the other way. There is a lot more room left for mods in an STi than there is in the EVO. From what I can tell from the handling, no one who test drove an STi had figured out that the car handles better stock when the DCCD is in manual mode. Also, a slalom or autocross is A LOT different than a road course for determining handling. SCCA has made the EVO legal for competition in T2 in 2004, but the STi has too much potential for the class. That should say something.

For that matter, you could make a lot of cars for $32k better than an STi. My personal favorite would be an early Miata with a 20B rotary in it turboed, which you could probably do for about $25k.

Ive got an Sti MY02.No problems so far considered im driving in very cold conditions.

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LoL! I'm pushing 300hp with my 02 WRX and i beat evo 8's all day long at the track in Famoso, Ca. Downside to Evo's is they still use cast iron blocks and their turbo setup is shoty at best. They run 19psi in low rpm's and 13 at higher, the STi runs 14.5psi till redline and puts out 300hp, STi wins. The Evo may handle better because of better computer control surfaces but the STi sticks to its roots, rally racing. Unlike the evo, if you want to drift, the STi makes it quite a bit easier.

LoL! I'm pushing 300hp with my 02 WRX and i beat evo 8's all day long at the track in Famoso, Ca. Downside to Evo's is they still use cast iron blocks and their turbo setup is shoty at best. They run 19psi in low rpm's and 13 at higher, the STi runs 14.5psi till redline and puts out 300hp, STi wins. The Evo may handle better because of better computer control surfaces but the STi sticks to its roots, rally racing. Unlike the evo, if you want to drift, the STi makes it quite a bit easier.

Actually, a stock EVO will build from about 12 psi at low RPM to about 19 psi at 4000 RPM, then taper to about 16 psi at redline.

Cast iron blocks are better for making big power.

There are no "computer controls" for the EVO's handling.

What do you mean by "stick to its roots"?

And who in the hell would buy EITHER of these cars to drift?

Aluminum blocks are better for making power as long as they stay relativley cool. Plenty of large companies use these cars for drifting, AWD cars a great for it ie. 34gt-r skyline and as for the evo, yes, it does use computer aided control ie a TCS system also like a skyline.

It's true, I've seen many an AWD car drift. With regards to Skylines drifting, however, they disable most of the reasons the car handle's so well to do so (in low-speed drifting competitions). In high-speed drifting competitions, the sheer power and speed of the cars is enough to make them [skylines] drift.

There are many different kinds of drifting competitions; different cars are suited to different kinds. That's why you see a lot of Silvias, Supras and RX-7s in low speed events, and more EVOs and Skylines (as well as the other cars) in high speed events.

And there is no difference between an aluminum or iron block as far as "making power" goes. You can generally make more power with a cast-iron block (I.E. 2JZGTE and RB26DETT) simply because they can withstand the pressure [both boost and compression] without rupture. The surface of the blocks themselves have nothing to do with the power, it's simply the strength and ability to manage heat. Aluminum blocks are not better for making power if they stay cool; they'd be the same as a cast iron block keeping the same temperature and pressure. I hope that was clear enough.

As said, the EVO has no computer controlled handling system or power delivery system. There's a cable from the pedal to the throttle, and the only things in the way of the power to the ground are the differentials.

I've drifted my own car, I didn't say it wasn't possible. I said you're crazy to buy a brand new $30,000 car that's not very good at it anyways to do it. Big companies with unlimited budgets are a different story.

Block strength is what I was getting at when I said cast blocks are usually better at making big power.

And the EVO 7 has AYC and other computer enhancements for the handling. The EVO 8 doesn't.

Ah, thanks Idel, I was referring to the EVO 8.

AWD cars are not good for drifting...when people say they do, its more of a "power slide" than a drift... if u want to drift, buy a s13, s14, s15, gts-t etc.. drift cars are mainly RWD... one reason cars are AWD is so they dont drift because drifting is NOT the fastest way to get arround a corner which most of you probably know...

and i agree with MB38 about the iron block... they can with stand more preasure... notice that such cars as the Celica gt4 and mr2 have the 3sgte moter which is a 2.0L iron block engine but can still put out just over 700 hp w/ the right mods but they almost never use the latests celica gt-s aluminum engine for racing...

as far as the Sti's and Lancers, The Sti to me looks like a car that they had a base design for and then just added a hole bunch of crap to it like the hood scoop and large spoiler...looks ugly to me... the lancer looks "cleaner" to me... for speed... The sti is faster but not that much faster.. i think it was 0.1 seconds faster than the lancer at both 0 - 60 and 1/4 mile, but having driven both the Lancer has much better quality like most magazines say... sometimes you can tell at first just by opening and closing the door and how it feels.

Actually, the STi is significantly faster. Few months ago at the track, several STi's and Evo 8's were there and the STI's on average were running 13.6's as opposed to the Evo's running 14.4's all night. The times in magazines almost never will be achieved by any driver you will ever see or know unless they have been driving, specifically drag racing, for many many many years and even then, still wont be able to match the times of a professional car test driver. I dont like the stubby nose of the Lancers, the STi's have a bit longer front end which gives it the appearence that it may have a much larger engine than it actually does. The hood scoop adds a nice touch as weel though i do prefer the STi scoop of the bug eye models better, taller but dont push forward. I do have to say though, Evo's do have pretty nice interiors.

Or you could get the stage 1 Vishnu for the STi and get 370BHP and no pinging. Oh it's $2100. All it is is a TBE and an Exede plugin. I think the Sti they tested it on was running 91 octane. Tell me that wouldn't stomp the Evo.

I still don't know what I want. The STi I think looks better and I also like the 2.5 engine, the softer ride, Variable center diff. The Evo IIIV also looks real cool but it seems like it is working a lot harder to keep up.

My friend has an STi very fast he likes it alot, but I think they are over priced

Overpriced!?!?! Aside from the EVO, What other new car on the market can you get (stock) with 300 HP, 300 ft lbs of tourque, and isn't useless in the snow for under $40k?

I very much so agree, they are not overpriced at all, if i had that kind of money, i would get one right away. i could sell my 86 jetta .... but then again, thats not quite enuf money

Well for $30,000 what else could you really buy? If the f-body's were still around you could buy a trans-am or camaro. You can get a Mustang Cobra but you don't get the nifty DCCD.

I chose the $40k price because the next car I came up with that a case could be made for is the Audi S4 with a $45k price tag, and though it is a bit down on power to the STi has a lot more creature comforts.

I really like the more rugged feel of the WRX's. No leather, harder seats. That kind of thing gives it more of a sporty feeling. My buddy has a 2000 Firebird Formula. He has a few things done to it so it's farely fast, 12.5 at the track, but it has leather seats and all this stuff in it that makes it feel not so sporty.

Having AWD and the fact that it is fast is great. Not as fast as other cars, but i would still prefer it over a camaro, and for sure over a mustang. Different people like different things, a street racer might want an evo, a mechanic and muscle car luver might want a camaro, but me, i enjoy rally racing and dirt roads, the WRX is perfect for me!