Nissan Altima SE V-6 versus Subaru WRX

At first I was all for the WRX with its unmatched handling and expandable turbo tricks, but now I'm curious if the new Altima VQ35DE V-6's torque and general comfort and modern ergonomics can outdo the scoob.

ITs a very interesting comparo ,turbo v/s n/a 30.000 plus dollars
218hp against 260 hp
but they are totaly diferents machines
I took altima over wrx.

Everyone is talking about WRX.

I give it up to wrx 0-60 is in low 5's and altima is in low 6's....plus turbo kicks in and that thing will fly.

1/4 WRX 14.1
1/4 Altima 14.4

Rather go with Nissan, no turbo is more reliable =/

WRX low 5's? Hope you are not talking about stock ones. If it is I am going to have to raise the BS flag.

Maybe with the various STi trim, but not the plain Jane WRX. I sure hope the STi makes it here.

Im gonna have to go with the WRX. My friend has one and has raced a Nissan Altima v-6 but it wasn't an SE but like it makes much of a difference anyways. The WRX won but not by much which proves valid the 1/4 miles times JBL85 put up.

In this comparo, I'd have to go with the Altima.

I have seen on i-club WRX getting low 14's. However it was around 14.3 and above. The time posted by JBL on 0-60 is totally off track. If 0-60 is in the low 5's. The 1/4 mile time should well be into the 13's.

THE OLDS WRX 99- DID 13.8 1/4 MILE ,THE NEWONES MID 14

Wrx anyday anywhere anytime ;)

I'd pick the WRX only because the looks of the car are nicer and I'm generally drawn to turbo cars anyway. ;)













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WOW thats great a AUTOMATIC maxima kept up wiht a WRX, unless its an SE it doesnt have the 5 Speed tranny.....so imagine a stick.....that would make it even faster :p

Just saw this awesome looking altima....just thought it might make ya think one more time

http://freshalloy.com/cars/nissan/altima/main_stillen.html

Originally posted by jprimera
THE OLDS WRX 99- DID 13.8 1/4 MILE ,THE NEWONES MID 14

That sounds just about right. The weight increase from the stiffen chassis cause the performance to slip a bit.

Originally posted by JBL85
Just saw this awesome looking altima....just thought it might make ya think one more time

http://freshalloy.com/cars/nissan/altima/main_stillen.html

That one was shown at SEMA.

Its nice that they already are going aftermakret on the car...giving it a warm welcome :D

With all the cars using 3.5L VQ Series engine you will have a lot of aftermarket support in the next few years.

Originally posted by F20C
WRX low 5's? Hope you are not talking about stock ones. If it is I am going to have to raise the BS flag.

I would have to agree, I would say mid 5's. I would have to pick the WRX over the Altima anyday though.

147.5 weel hp for the wrx do not seems to high 4x4 about 25% trany loss ,this car is not very fast mid 14 thanks to 4x4.

It doesnt matter how much wheel Horsepower, matters how fast it can actually go. ANd for 147 AWHP thats pretty fast for the WRX

All I want to know is how anyone can favour the Altima over the WRX.

It doesnt matter how much wheel Horsepower

you think it no matter??for a 2800+lb car

ANd for 147 AWHP thats pretty fast for the WRX

that is not "fast" ,I know ther car have very good performance ,but not as well as every body said ,here in my country Chile we have the WRX since 1995 so I now what this cars are capable to do ,and the new on (the car that you have) is the slowest .
the 99-2000 have been the fasteted car hight 13 .

my sr20de with some mods can beat the 2001 wrx(stock),so that why Im telling you Im not impresse with the wrx.

Originally posted by AEstud
All I want to know is how anyone can favour the Altima over the WRX.

Not everyone wants a race car, some people use cars as daily drivers

Also Subaru isnt as reliable as Nissan, especially with the TUrbo =)

Subaru Drive Train is compleatly ass!!!!!!! My friend put intake and exhaust on it got a bit more HP and broke his central Diff. He put it back to stock and thay would not cover it under warenty. Subaru Service is compleatly messed up...

I am thinking Swap a 3.5 into the new 2002 Sentra SE-R Vspec as it should bolt right in. dunno if it will fit but hay its worth a try..

Will the VQ35DE really bolt right into the SE-R Spec-V? I know that both use the QR25DE when in 4-cylinder form, but are the mounting points the same in the Sentra so that the V-6 would fit? VERY interesting... lighter body, larger engine. When the Altima's chassis was still the concept XVL, it was made sure from the start that it would be versatile to all future drivetrains and engine configurations. But the B15 Sentra body was meant for the I-4s. I hope you're right.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CHRIS200T
[B]Subaru Drive Train is compleatly ass!!!!!!! My friend put intake and exhaust on it got a bit more HP and broke his central Diff. He put it back to stock and thay would not cover it under warenty. Subaru Service is compleatly messed up...

All the more reason to buy a Nissan, speed isnt always everything :p :p

Damn right! Nissan power. A friend of mine has a WRX and I like it, but I get the fealing that the damn ceramic turbo would just explode if he put a boost controler on it and started turning it up to far. Its just not my type of car, its more rally aligned with that rough jumpy feal. I'd have to go with the Altima on this one 'cause I'm a Nissan man, after all, they did make the skyline :P Hmmm now here's a thought, how 'bout doin'g some work on the Altima and sticking one of those funny things they have on the GTSts on there, oh yea, a turbo. Donno if it would be more trouble then its worth but I doubt it.

For ae stud, your friend raced an new ALtima v-6 but is wasnt an
SE.? Nissan has never made a V-6 Altima until this year and is only
comes in the 3.5 SE....:rolleyes:

Altima definitively.

well the difference between a altima SE ad the S or the SL is hugh. the difference in the their aceleration time is off by like 2 seconds. nooo joke. sooo if a S or a SL put up a good fight with your friends scoob, then the SE would've definitly won. anyways for me, the altima, i love nissans.

Originally posted by AEstud
All I want to know is how anyone can favour the Altima over the WRX.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not tryin to bash the Rexys but look at it this way.
You have alot more options open to you as far as mods go if you are working with an Altima. Adding turbo and all the intake and exhaust systems that go with it, also the fuel delivery for the turbo. And while your doing this, you have a good, strong drivetrain with a solid engine to work with. Now I haven't seen for myself, but from what I have read, the scoob's drivetrain is found somewhat lacking in the strength dept. Also, with such a light car, you can only generate so much traction on launches, so once you get up there in the HP range its going to get very dangerious to drive.

they are 2 different classes in a way.....all wheel drive vs front wheel drive....in the long run a altima can be made faster drag but the wrx is going to stiff it in handling

well the atlima's handling is nothing to sneeze at either considerin that its got the same mulitlink suspension in the rear as the skyline GT-R. it handles good for its size and it can pull up some really fast lap times. the spring rate is a perfect balance between comfort and performance. it understeers alittle due to its slighty soft nature, but you can adjust to it to pull up some very respectable lap times.

Do you get more juice out of a Altima with each mod or out of a WRX

for example, intake adds 3hp and on wrx it adds 1hp...or does the does wrx get more of the gain?

jbl85 where did you get this stat from an intake on the wrx adds a hell of a lot more than 1 hp try more like 10 anyways like u said the scooby would outhandle it anyday. wrx all day everyday.

Well, it finaly happened... My friend broke his Diff. He had just gotten a new exhaust, intake, front mount IC, cold air box, aftermarket waistgate for a little more boost, and BOV. He was driving around getting somthing to eat, he double clutched from 3rd to 1st and CRUNCH!! Yet another reason to go Nissan, were the realiability is:D

intake doesnt add 10hp buddy....maybe if you have a skyline....but a little nsisan motor or a little wrx engine.....10 is like with exhaust and headers....

i wouldn't exactly call the altima's engine small. its 3.5 liters. thats pretty damn big for a japanese motor. the skylines motor is only 2.6 liters. plus i've read in the sentra forums here that they were testin out a new exhaust and it got a 17hp gain out of that 2.5 liter engine. imagine how much bigger the gain would be if it was on a 3.5 liter.

Whats the Altima's engine code? QR35DE?
*Edit*
No those are in Sentra's right? KA35DE?

nissans v6 engine is a big japanese engine but compared to american engines its small.....most american 6's are 3.8 or 4 Liters....but 17hp is a huge gain on a 4 banger

My friends wtih gsr's all say their exhaust added sooo much power, i get in the car and its not that fast....so I was just wondering what hte gain difference was on those to cars (altima wrx)

Originally posted by JBL85
intake doesnt add 10hp buddy....maybe if you have a skyline....but a little nsisan motor or a little wrx engine.....10 is like with exhaust and headers....

You might want to re-define the term little nissan motor? VQ35 is consider big in automotive standards. WTO standard is set at 3500cc as well. LS1 and other american big displacement blocks are consider huge.

You need a lesson in engines again. You are forgetting one major aspect. RB26DET has Turbo which means it will respond to mods a lot better than say a N/A engine of the same size. Same thing applies to WRX engine. There is also various aspects to it such how much was the engine tune from the factory etc.

Also intake mods on LS1 will get you 15-20 hp easy. 30-40 if you include port and polished.

Originally posted by F20C


You might want to re-define the term little nissan motor? VQ35 is consider big in automotive standards. WTO standard is set at 3500cc as well. LS1 and other american big displacement blocks are consider huge.



Yup, nissan doesn't usualy make large moters. Look at the Skyline lineup, the GTs's are RB20DET, and the GTRs are RB26DETT (thats with 279hp stock, that power figure is according to Nissan, many GTR owners would place it a little higher). The sentra SE-R uses the QR20DE, those are all "Small" compared to the displacement monsters we have here but to me (and most japanese) thats the norm, we are the crazy ones.
"Silly American need big moter, Japanese only use small one, but use it well!":D

Originally posted by Gonthrax


Yup, nissan doesn't usualy make large moters. Look at the Skyline lineup, the GTs's are RB20DET, and the GTRs are RB26DETT (thats with 279hp stock, that power figure is according to Nissan, many GTR owners would place it a little higher). The sentra SE-R uses the QR20DE, those are all "Small" compared to the displacement monsters we have here but to me (and most japanese) thats the norm, we are the crazy ones.
"Silly American need big moter, Japanese only use small one, but use it well!":D

The gentleman agreement is set at 280 ps. Skyline makes far more power than that. More like 280 hp at the wheel. How else do you expect Skyline GT-R to accomplished 4.9 if it weights 400 lbs more than Evo 7 which is also rated at 280 ps.

also like i mentioned earlier, that altima will respond to mods really well becuse of its big size. you put a exhaust i can pretty safely say that i will gain 10hp at the wheels.

10hp exh on altima? hmm...

the subaru intake is worth 10hp... its a turbo motor getting more air... it will naturally make more hp than a regular intake on a n/a car.

double clutching 3rd to 1st while moving sounds like a recipe for a bomb in any car... im sure i would blow my diff if i did that while i was moving...

He was only going about 15 or 20 mph. He wasn't mashing on it, he was just eating a burger and hadn't downshifted and he needed to be in first.

that is really fast for a downshift to 1st from 3rd... even from 2nd to 1st... for me that is tough to do even at like 10mph from 2nd... i cant imagine that being a nice thing to do to a trans, let alone your diff...

Yea but thats what the double clutching is for, you match the RPMs so your syncros don't have to do all the work. that way it just slides into gear with no trouble.

Originally posted by Gonthrax
Whats the Altima's engine code? QR35DE?
*Edit*
No those are in Sentra's right? KA35DE?

The Altima 2.5 engine is a QR25DE inline-4. The Altima 3.5 engine is a VQ35DE V-6. The older Altimas used the KA24DE, the same engine in the 240SX.

About taking modifications:

The WRX already being turbocharged can easily and cheaply add-on more horsepower with items such as intercoolers, boost controllers. You can find a good 50-100 hp from aftermarket turbo items for no more than $2000.

The Altima 3.5 on the other hand will cost a LOT to turbocharge, but in the long run, can be made to produce as much as 600-1000 hp, much like the other modified 6-cylinder turbocharged Japanese motors. The WRX being a 4-cylinder will have its limitations in how much boost it can take (probably around 500 hp max) even with all the block reinforcements. Of course, this route for the Altima will cost enormously, probably anywhere from $7000-$???, and then the sky's the limit.

As for intake and exhaust, turbocharged cars generally take the reduced backpressure better, while naturally aspirated cars prefer the freed-up breathing.

Originally posted by Gonthrax
He was only going about 15 or 20 mph. He wasn't mashing on it, he was just eating a burger and hadn't downshifted and he needed to be in first.

20 mph is a bit too much to go down to one. No reasons why he needs to do that. 2nd gear is more than adequate to do the job at that speed. There is better reason for downshifting to 1st gear however eating burger and needing to downshift doesn't cut it. I would say that's more human calculating error than mechanical failure.

Originally posted by Morpheus XIII
About taking modifications:

The Altima 3.5 on the other hand will cost a LOT to turbocharge, but in the long run, can be made to produce as much as 600-1000 hp, much like the other modified 6-cylinder turbocharged Japanese motors. The WRX being a 4-cylinder will have its limitations in how much boost it can take (probably around 500 hp max) even with all the block reinforcements. Of course, this route for the Altima will cost enormously, probably anywhere from $7000-$???, and then the sky's the limit.

I heard stock internals are probaly good for 400 ps.

Originally posted by F20C
I heard stock internals are probaly good for 400 ps.

Likely. If the next GT-R uses a turbo VQ35, it is supposed to pump around 450hp. Not too shabby at all. If this happens, then the engine should be able to get into the quad digit horsepower level with block strengthenings and higher boost, as I mentioned earlier.

Originally posted by F20C


20 mph is a bit too much to go down to one.

Your probly right, I donno what RPM you would be at in first doin 15 or so in a rexy.

For my car I wouldn't go back down to 1st gear if I am past 3000 rpm in the 2nd gear. There is only very few case where I needed to shift down to first at higher speeds. It has something to do with traction when you fish tail.

Ic ic.
By the way, how do you like your S4? I have been wanting to drive one for a while now.

A4's getting dated fast. Need to start looking for replacement soon.

Originally posted by F20C
A4's getting dated fast. Need to start looking for replacement soon.
really? What are you considering?

Originally posted by Gonthrax

really? What are you considering?

The time is not right since most of the import models are just starting to arrive. Probaly wait another year to change the car. Cars on mind right now are RX-8, Lancer Evolution, WRX STi and next generation S4.