SomEoNe PleeZe Help!!!

I need help finding a turbo kit for my '92 lude, im lookin 4 big hp gains , at least 450hp, all the engine internals are gonna be modified along w/ the fuel system

what engine you have in you prelude? if you looking for 450hp I hope you have a deep pocket. Is going to be allot of money to get there. A turbo-kit by itself won't get you there, you going to need to built your block.

yea 450hp on what motor?

you will have to reinforce internals re-do the fuel sys. and run a big turbo..

but it is possible with $$

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do yuo guys even read all of what they post?

he said all the engine internals are gonna be modified along w/ the fuel system

basically ljrlude01 and turbo2nr


both of your posts were useless

how am i gona help him if i dont know what motor he has??????

yea 450hp on what motor?

which motor..
but i pretty sure there is no kit that sell for a 2-shape prelude..

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Doesnt Drag make a kit for the prelude?

yea drag makes a kit for 1992 and up and its called a gen 4 instead of gen 3

h23/vtec

Thats gonna be mighty hard to get 450 hp out of, you got a lot of work ahead of you, good luck though.

I don't see you getting 450HP reliably out of any Honda 4 cylinder block.

Polygon, dude, don't disrespect the Hondas, especially if you drive Chrysler. It's not like you drive Lamborghini or Ferrari or an rx-7. I don't want to stoop to the level of saying anyone else's cars suck, but I see way more LeBarons in the junkyard than on the streets. Matter of fact, the last one I saw broke down almost three years ago. I've never seen one at the drag strip, I've never even been beaten by one in my all motor delSol! Anyway, what the hell are you doing commenting on Hondas with turbos if you don't know anything about them? I know of a few heavily modified Honda 4 bangers that make over 700 hp. Granted , I haven't held the dyno charts in my hands, but these are fellas I know, not just forum braggers. I will admit that I heard of one blowing a spark plug out of it's threads, but this could be a mechanic's error. Go back to the Chrysler forums and help out someone who needs your guidance and experience. Help someone beef up their turbo Neon or something to run against us--those things are fast, and I want to see how fast someone can get them going, no matter whether I would buy one or not. Don't rip on us, because we love our Hondas, and we feel that they are the most reliable cars ever built, even when we do sick things to them like boost. 450 hp is possible, and if one properly manages fuel, timing, boost and knows how to drive it, it will be reliable.
to n2oforever:
Is that a Frankenstein engine then, an H23 VTEC? Some guy talked to me about some j-spec vtec 2.3, but I don't think I understood what he was talking about. Anyway, H23 is a good choice to start from. Allmotor (n/a) builders start out by boring and stroking, so maybe that's a good start, at least the boring part. Use strong forged low compression pistons, beef up the bottom end and the valves. Titanium is your expensive friend, but higher RPM's make for higher horsepower, and if we can reduce the reciprocating and rotational mass, we will be there. I know a guy who popped 700+ ponies out of a 1.8 non-vtec on the track. Remeber to also move a ton of fuel. And tweak the computer. This is an expensive project, but my guess is that you probably don't really know what you are doing yet, and boost is something you can easily destroy an engine with. I mean no disrespect by this, but I would employ a professional, and/or start smaller. A dynomometer would be helpful. Getting 300+ streetable horsepower on pump gas isn't too tough with maybe 10 psi, a 30 shot of nos and proper engine managment. But, if you've already passed this point, you shouldn't have too much trouble making 450 by putting more boost in.

Sorry to rant folks. A turbo Neon smoked by me last week, so I'm on a mission, not in submission. I'm not bitter, I'm just more determined. Those things are FAST!

i think the H23 is just your standard dohc vtec prelude...190-200hp i believe...frakensteins are like hybrids like ls/vtec, crvtec etc too my knowledge...anyway...if you're looking for a turbo with big gains for that motor....look towards a t3/4 hybrid or maybe a T60..ball bearing ones if you can.....are you building this for the street?..

Originally posted by Schweinhund
Polygon, dude, don't disrespect the Hondas, especially if you drive Chrysler. It's not like you drive Lamborghini or Ferrari or an rx-7. I don't want to stoop to the level of saying anyone else's cars suck, but I see way more LeBarons in the junkyard than on the streets. Matter of fact, the last one I saw broke down almost three years ago. I've never seen one at the drag strip, I've never even been beaten by one in my all motor delSol! Anyway, what the hell are you doing commenting on Hondas with turbos if you don't know anything about them? I know of a few heavily modified Honda 4 bangers that make over 700 hp. Granted , I haven't held the dyno charts in my hands, but these are fellas I know, not just forum braggers. I will admit that I heard of one blowing a spark plug out of it's threads, but this could be a mechanic's error. Go back to the Chrysler forums and help out someone who needs your guidance and experience. Help someone beef up their turbo Neon or something to run against us--those things are fast, and I want to see how fast someone can get them going, no matter whether I would buy one or not. Don't rip on us, because we love our Hondas, and we feel that they are the most reliable cars ever built, even when we do sick things to them like boost. 450 hp is possible, and if one properly manages fuel, timing, boost and knows how to drive it, it will be reliable.
to n2oforever:


hey newbie:
you just came here and you don't know anything about polygon.....most likelly he know more about turbos including for honda's thatn you do.....

and out of those 700 hp hondas how many were reliable......now go back and read his post....and for the time being:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/kris/kris/+junk/stfu-cup.jpg

:spit: lol

you know what makes 450hp reliablely besides big muscel cars?

a dsm.. heehehehe:iceslolan :iceslolan

:thefinger

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We are all students here. Polygon knows turbo I'm sure, and knows LeBarons. He knows Chrysler, I know Honda. Maybe he knows Honda too, but it just sounded like a dig on Honda, because I know of Hondas that can do it. We could all learn something from each other. I thought that's why we were here. I am just saying that Honda can do it.

See Holeshot Racing's 1.8 liter 491 hp Integra with a t3/t4 on page 84 of Sport Compact Car September 2001. Reliability is key. I quote "With almost 500 hp at the wheels, the car runs with astonishing reliability, enough so that a die hard can drive it every day with only a few modifications for the sake of comfort." The h23, without an increase in displacement, is a whole half liter bigger. That's over 25%.

I am new to the forum, BUT...

This doesn't mean I don't know anything. You don't know me.

And don't tell me to shut the fuck up. Didn't your mother teach you any manners?

fact is Polygon's knowlege is known to us.....and you are a newbie....we don't know how much you know.....so bottom line you attack him you get attacked....

and it is very hard to get 450 hp reliable out of a h series engine......

that article you mention is basd on Holeshot Racing's word....and i doubt they would aknowlege any problems....cuz nobody would go to them anymore

its doable but if you want 450 i'd say built for turbo aim for like 350 hp and have a 100 shot waiting cause your probbly going to run into prob and tons more of money to get up to 450. you know what makes 450hp reliablely besides big muscel cars? DSMs :loser: :lol: they aren't reliable stock just playing with you (still true) to Schweinhund watch your manners your self you jumped in the forum attacking a well respected memeber i'd say its better not to keep that up otherwise you won't last.

700 reliable wheel hp from a four cylinder Honda?? Yea right, don't believe it. 450 reliable hp from a four cylinder Honda? Yea, RIGHT. Best friend Brett has one that he and I and a couple others have done all of the work on in my garage. Granted to push 450 hp it takes race fuel, the deletion of all creature comforts, and driveability goes straight to hell, but that's the great thing about turbo's, adjustability. To drive around with that much horsepower reliably is horribly unlikely. But to be able to boost to that much for race days and such, is within reach if you have enough time and money.

DSMs they aren't reliable stock just playing with you (still true)

:eek7: :sly: :eek7: ...

:cwm27:
:thefinger

as for the whole respect thing. dont come in here thinking that your a big person when your new the the board.. yes you MIGHT know your stuff but give us time to know you and give your self time to know others b4 you disrepect other members that have been here for a while..

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Originally posted by Schweinhund
We are all students here. Polygon knows turbo I'm sure, and knows LeBarons. He knows Chrysler, I know Honda. Maybe he knows Honda too, but it just sounded like a dig on Honda, because I know of Hondas that can do it. We could all learn something from each other. I thought that's why we were here. I am just saying that Honda can do it.

See Holeshot Racing's 1.8 liter 491 hp Integra with a t3/t4 on page 84 of Sport Compact Car September 2001. Reliability is key. I quote "With almost 500 hp at the wheels, the car runs with astonishing reliability, enough so that a die hard can drive it every day with only a few modifications for the sake of comfort." The h23, without an increase in displacement, is a whole half liter bigger. That's over 25%.

I am new to the forum, BUT...

This doesn't mean I don't know anything. You don't know me.

And don't tell me to shut the fuck up. Didn't your mother teach you any manners?

I totally agree. I've seen hondas beat vipers. Yeah they were rediculously modified but its possible. We are all here to learn from eachother. If you have a car and work your ass off to modify it, props to you. Doesn't matter what it is. Look at the June issue of Super Street. 98 Civic, RWD, 1200HP. All motor. Eat that Haters!!!!

Originally posted by Teampurevision


I totally agree. I've seen hondas beat vipers. Yeah they were rediculously modified but its possible. We are all here to learn from eachother. If you have a car and work your ass off to modify it, props to you. Doesn't matter what it is. Look at the June issue of Super Street. 98 Civic, RWD, 1200HP. All motor. Eat that Haters!!!!


were did we ever mention vipers.....all polygon mentined was reliability......stop coming in this froum and make assumptions....stay here a while and get to know us and then you can have opinions based on facts.....

"eat that haters".....WTF is that suposed to mean?


oh and i just read your post in the racing forum....you got owned.....

oh btw stop reading the riceboy mag of all times Super Street.....get something real like SCC

I wasn't making assumptions I was just stating my opinion. What I don't appreciate is that you misinterpreted everything that I meant. You made a good point about Honda's being able to pull off over 400 HP. Don't think that I was saying anything to offend you. Take it easy!

Originally posted by Teampurevision
I wasn't making assumptions I was just stating my opinion. What I don't appreciate is that you misinterpreted everything that I meant. You made a good point about Honda's being able to pull off over 400 HP. Don't think that I was saying anything to offend you. Take it easy!


well you can get easily hondas to get over 400hp...problem is that with all small displacemet engines to get major power you need major boost.....and this poses big problems for reliability.....

as ace$niper said...best way is to have a 300 something daily driver with ocasional boost for 450 or more

constant 450 and reliable is almost impossible

Amen to that!!!

Originally posted by Self
700 reliable wheel hp from a four cylinder Honda?? Yea right, don't believe it. 450 reliable hp from a four cylinder Honda? Yea, RIGHT. Best friend Brett has one that he and I and a couple others have done all of the work on in my garage. Granted to push 450 hp it takes race fuel, the deletion of all creature comforts, and driveability goes straight to hell, but that's the great thing about turbo's, adjustability. To drive around with that much horsepower reliably is horribly unlikely. But to be able to boost to that much for race days and such, is within reach if you have enough time and money.

Self and Neutrino have done all the explaining I would have needed to about my post. Thank you.

If you are trying to say that any four cylinder Honda can drive around on the street every day running 700HP you have been duped. I still feel that 450HP is a stretch. I did not say it could not be done, but the person that started this thread wants a streetable car. At 450HP it won't be, and it won't be reliable.

Originally posted by Schweinhund
Polygon, dude, don't disrespect the Hondas, especially if you drive Chrysler. It's not like you drive Lamborghini or Ferrari or an rx-7. I don't want to stoop to the level of saying anyone else's cars suck, but I see way more LeBarons in the junkyard than on the streets. Matter of fact, the last one I saw broke down almost three years ago. I've never seen one at the drag strip, I've never even been beaten by one in my all motor delSol! Anyway, what the hell are you doing commenting on Hondas with turbos if you don't know anything about them? I know of a few heavily modified Honda 4 bangers that make over 700 hp. Granted , I haven't held the dyno charts in my hands, but these are fellas I know, not just forum braggers. I will admit that I heard of one blowing a spark plug out of it's threads, but this could be a mechanic's error. Go back to the Chrysler forums and help out someone who needs your guidance and experience. Help someone beef up their turbo Neon or something to run against us--those things are fast, and I want to see how fast someone can get them going, no matter whether I would buy one or not. Don't rip on us, because we love our Hondas, and we feel that they are the most reliable cars ever built, even when we do sick things to them like boost. 450 hp is possible, and if one properly manages fuel, timing, boost and knows how to drive it, it will be reliable.

As for your comments on my car, there is a guy that has a 10 second K car. He has my same engine and drive train installed in the car. He was running 433WHP and around 480 wheel torque and the car was still daily drivable. He ended up blowing his engine because he decided to take the boost up past 30PSI. One of his ARP rod bolts failed and the rod snapped sending one of his pistons through the engine block. My engine is VERY robust; it is one of the most resilient four cylinders ever built. Chrysler started the sport compact scene with cars like mine long before anyone thought of adding a turbo to a Honda. Also my car is 13 years old, of course there will tons of them in junk yards just like in 13 years there will tons of this years Civics in junk yards. Also I might point out that you have seen normal LeBarons. They only made 94 of my LeBaron GTC in 1989 and only 25 of my 1990 LeBaron GTC. They are VERY rare and VERY fast. I know a hell of a lot more about Hondas than you know about Chrysler.

P.S.

GTC stands for Gran Touring Coupe and they were really raced in GT races.

Originally posted by Polygon


As for your comments on my car, there is a guy that has a 10 second K car. He has my same engine and drive train installed in the car. He was running 433WHP and around 480 wheel torque and the car was still daily drivable. He ended up blowing his engine because he decided to take the boost up past 30PSI. One of his ARP rod bolts failed and the rod snapped sending one of his pistons through the engine block. My engine is VERY robust; it is one of the most resilient four cylinders ever built. Chrysler started the sport compact scene with cars like mine long before anyone thought of adding a turbo to a Honda. Also my car is 13 years old, of course there will tons of them in junk yards just like in 13 years there will tons of this years Civics in junk yards. Also I might point out that you have seen normal LeBarons. They only made 94 of my LeBaron GTC in 1989 and only 25 of my 1990 LeBaron GTC. They are VERY rare and VERY fast. I know a hell of a lot more about Hondas than you know about Chrysler.

P.S.

GTC stands for Gran Touring Coupe and they were really raced in GT races.

Yea, to make 424fwhp on our Civic, it took 27 lbs. It is INSANE to drive around on the street with that kind of hp in that car. Shifting IS A BITCH. Fuel consumption IS A BITCH. It overheats LIKE A BITCH. It's loud AS A BITCH. Backfires LIKE A BITCH. Shakes and shudders LIKE A BITCH. Rides LIKE A BITCH. Reliable?? Yea right. Not that it goes around blowing pieces of the motor onto the pavement, it's built to handle boost. But still, no matter how much building you do, high performance motors break parts. And that's the bottom line. Building performance cars is not cheap. One of the most time and money consuming hobbies you can get in to. So just be prepared for the worst and don't be surprised when it happens.

well i'm going to add my 2 cents to this. 450hp is possible like some of the people here already stated. reliability is going to be a problem because Hondas were not ment to be race car. If you got with a mild set-up you'll be ok, but if you want big number be prepare to spend allot of money. That how it is when it comes to doing FI in a honda. Myself at the moment I'm building a H22A4 with a custom full-race set-up to hit 500 hp + but that is going to be only for track purpose as far as street goes it will be in lower boost to run about 300hp.

I'm no Honda expert...

But DblOvrHedCamron's car makes well over 400hp to the wheels. And it is reliable and daily driven.

Him and Hybridsol Built the motor to last... and so far it has.

Seems to me if you know what you're doing you can make anything reliable. Obviously if they can build a CRX that beats 10 second Hemi-Cuda... they know what they're doing with the Honda block and everything that goes in it. And before anybody can say the CRX isn't daily driven. This is true it is a full on drag car, I just used it as a point to show that with proper knowledge you can make anything reliable. So far I don't think I've heard anything bad happen to the CRX since I've known Hyrbidsol.

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Originally posted by RedNeck383
I'm no Honda expert...

But DblOvrHedCamron's car makes well over 400hp to the wheels. And it is reliable and daily driven.

Him and Hybridsol Built the motor to last... and so far it has.

Seems to me if you know what you're doing you can make anything reliable. Obviously if they can build a CRX that beats 10 second Hemi-Cuda... they know what they're doing with the Honda block and everything that goes in it. And before anybody can say the CRX isn't daily driven. This is true it is a full on drag car, I just used it as a point to show that with proper knowledge you can make anything reliable. So far I don't think I've heard anything bad happen to the CRX since I've known Hyrbidsol.

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holly cow 400 constantly at the wheels relaible....that is quite impresive......IMo eve more impresive than the crx since that is a trailer queen