240sx vs civic si

who will win????? (all stock) 240sx, civic si, celica non turbo, accord ex, or a focus ??????? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Originally posted by tokar400
who will win????? (all stock) 240sx, civic si, celica non turbo, accord ex, or a focus ??????? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: Why you wanna know? I spanked a 2003 Civic Si Stock vs Stock :)

a celica gts is the fastest car stock out of all the cars that you have mentioned.

race and find out.

Compare figures do whatever opinion is a theory and theory is theory untill proven true.

Celica GTS can't be the fastest........ surely the thing is guttless.

Please, Mr.RB26DETT...if you swapped yourself, you should know this.

Besides, theres no Accord SiR here.

Id put my cash on the SVT Focus honestly.

theres a celica turbo? Cool, my guess is probaly not out in the states. Engine swap time!

if they are STOCK, mine isnt stock , and celica gt-s is turbo 4wd it nice, and its rare but they got them in the states

The turbo celica is called an All-Trac Turbo, not GT-S...

They had a 2.0 200 hp I4 and AWD

Made from 88-93

i thought the turbo awd celica was called the GT-FOUR

Originally posted by Dorikin
Please, Mr.RB26DETT...if you swapped yourself, you should know this.

Besides, theres no Accord SiR here.

Id put my cash on the SVT Focus honestly.

i would agree with you:boink:

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC
i thought the turbo awd celica was called the GT-FOUR

NOOOO

www.alltracturbo.com

http://www.alltrac.net/specs/index.htm

ok what i'm getting from this site is that the all-trac and gt-four are the same car just the gt-four is jdm :confused:

I liked the Celica GT-Four ST205 or whatever that rally special edition is called it looks nice. Came with Mud guards Rally Hood etc etc.

id go with the focus SVT.

im not really into the celica but now i know that its the gt-4 but im still pretty sure that the 2000 and up gt-s are 4wd...........right?

2 things....


There IS an Accord Type R in this country....It goes by the name of the Acura Tsx.

And that car is most likely the fastest of all of those mentioned. Although Im not sure about what kind of power the Svt is bumping.



And the celica all-trac was our version of the Jdm gt4. The other guy was right, they stopped making it in 93 I believe. The newer celica with the dual projector headlights did not offer a turbo model in America.

Also this is a subjective poll, exactly what would the cars be racing? 1/4 mile? 0-60? It really depends. Not one of the cars you mentioned is really THAT fast stock.

Originally posted by tokar400
im not really into the celica but now i know that its the gt-4 but im still pretty sure that the 2000 and up gt-s are 4wd...........right?

nope:icon16:

Originally posted by Problem_Si
2 things....


There IS an Accord Type R in this country....It goes by the name of the Acura Tsx.

And that car is most likely the fastest of all of those mentioned. Although Im not sure about what kind of power the Svt is bumping.



And the celica all-trac was our version of the Jdm gt4. The other guy was right, they stopped making it in 93 I believe. The newer celica with the dual projector headlights did not offer a turbo model in America.

Also this is a subjective poll, exactly what would the cars be racing? 1/4 mile? 0-60? It really depends. Not one of the cars you mentioned is really THAT fast stock.

Your retarded. The IS no Accord Type-R. Its a Euro-R and its NOT the TSX. The suspension, equipment and drivetrain are different. its also RHD.

The TSX Aint that fast.

This thread is dumb. You get a bunch of cars that are apples and oranges, and try to say "whats the fastest". Im telling you, no one is gonna compare these vehicles, in any way shape or form if they seriosuly wanted to find out whats faster.

Youve got a car thats non-existent in this country, a used rare car, a slow used car, and a bbunch of FWD econo-rods.

besides, who cares who wins? :loser: my un-stock 240SX will spank all of them once it's done, so whoop-dee-doo.

besides, this belongs in the car comparison forum, where it shall now reside.

Originally posted by S13_Iketani
besides, who cares who wins?

:werd:

so when did ya get your 240?

He hasnt yet.

Hmm...

Stock on stock, the GT-S would most likely be the fastest DEPENDING on what year... the new ones run a good low to mid 15 in the quarter, whereas the civic Si (new) will run a high 15, the older ones running mid 16's, SVT focus will run a high 15, 240SX will run a good low 16, and the old and new celica GT's will run a mid-low 16, the all-trac a mid 15... As for the SiR, I have no idea, it uses hte H22A which produces about 190HP, and I'm sure the car weights upwards of 3000lbs, so A good mid 15 could be expected... As for the TSX, I believe it is neither the same as the SiR OR euro-R, I was under the impression both of these cars ceased production in 2000?

:gives:

Listen...it's all about the 240SX...end of story...

Close the thread

:bigthumb:

Originally posted by PlastikAssassin
As for the SiR, I have no idea, it uses hte H22A which produces about 190HP, and I'm sure the car weights upwards of 3000lbs, so A good mid 15 could be expected...


The old Accord SiR and Type R are differnt cars, the Type R and Euro R are roughly the same car and use a 220hp H22a, the SiR uses an F series with an H22 head on it, and makes about 200hp. I have a mate here in NZ who with a stock standard car ran a low 15 on what is considered a slow track.


The new accord is being made in Two differnt sizes.
The smaller version is being sold as the TSX in the states, and the Euro R in the rest of the world. wether its LHD or RHD its the same damn car. It uses the 200hp engine from the current Integra/RSX Type S/Type R and is really just a 4dr version of that car.
It is fast, and should also run an easy 15. Although being bigger and heavier than cars like the Focus, or the Celica GTS I doubt it will handle as well.
The larger body Accord is being sold with a variety of new engines, including the 2.4L also found in the CRV, and of course a V6 and it fills the tradtional accord spot in the market.


The GT Four version of the Celica was made right up untill the release of the current model, but only the 88-93 model was ever sold in the US badged as the Alltrac.
The new Celica with the VVTi-L engine only comes in FWD, and since Toyota now use the Corrola for thier WRC car there is not-likely to ever be an AWD version, although one of the Millin brothers did put the running gear from the older GT-Four into the newer body shell for a show car.



And of course the Focus comes in a variety of differnt forms depending on where in the world you are, the Europeans are luckey enough to get a very wild Turbo version that Im sure would walk on anything else in that list.


The 240sx is an old and dead design that should not even be there, while which Civic Si are you talking about? The US car is to but it simply slow and under powered, however in Japan and Europe the car is sold with a full 200hp and badged as the Type R making it considerably faster than anything else on the list.

a new celica gts is only puttin out 180 hp stock!and the si is only 160 hp

thank you captain obvious :rolleyes:

Since the SiR is a JDM car what about the 6th Gen Celica SS3? it puts out 200hp stock and would be faster than all the other cars listed.

Originally posted by ixlr82
..... what about the 6th Gen Celica SS3? it puts out 200hp stock and would be faster than all the other cars listed.

:spit: :spit: :spit: :spit:

Have you ever seen one? Or driven one? or even know someone who ones one?

Its more like 180hp, and the car is so heavy, that its not nearly as fast as you think it is, any of the cars listed above except maybe the 240sx would be faster, and ALL of them would handle better.

:spit: :spit: :spit: :spit:

Have you ever seen one? Or driven one? or even know someone who ones one?

Its more like 180hp, and the car is so heavy, that its not nearly as fast as you think it is, any of the cars listed above except maybe the 240sx would be faster, and ALL of them would handle better.



First off the car is not heavy its like 2700lbs and it does have 200hp the ss2 models had 180hp. The ss3 has vvl and beams. As for the handling again it is far better, it has Toyota's super strut suspension, its the first car to have it since the Levin GTZ (and anyone who has ever driven will know). I have seen one and seen it race too, beats b18's and 4age(20valves) easy.

Ps the cars that were racing are basicaly stock.

The ss3 has vvl and beams. As for the handling again it is far better, it has Toyota's super strut suspension, its the first car to have it since the Levin GTZ


VVl and beams is highly over rated just like the 20valve 4ages. and almost every single FWD Toyota made in the last 20 years has "super strut" suspension.
Its a toyota marketing term for a common McPherson strut, which is simply a nice compromise between performance, cost and packaging.
(i.e, it works, its cheap to make, and its dosnt take up a lot of space in the car).
There is nothing "super" about it.
Oh, and the GT Corrollas and Turneos also got "super strut" badges, but all the corrolla based cars had it.

And you if you have ever driven a Celica you will also know that they are set up rather on the comfterble and cruisy side, they are nice open road tourers, but become rather floaty and boat like when pressed in hard corners, the understeer comeing in very early on.

Nice cars, but faster than all the cars listed? I really dont think so, especialy when you remember they are all now at least 3 years old and are out dated by everything but the 240sx (which really shouldn't be there)

VVl and beams is highly over rated just like the 20valve 4ages. and almost every single FWD Toyota made in the last 20 years has "super strut" suspension.
Its a toyota marketing term for a common McPherson strut, which is simply a nice compromise between performance, cost and packaging.
(i.e, it works, its cheap to make, and its dosnt take up a lot of space in the car).
There is nothing "super" about it.
Oh, and the GT Corrollas and Turneos also got "super strut" badges, but all the corrolla based cars had it.

And you if you have ever driven a Celica you will also know that they are set up rather on the comfterble and cruisy side, they are nice open road tourers, but become rather floaty and boat like when pressed in hard corners, the understeer comeing in very early on.

Nice cars, but faster than all the cars listed? I really dont think so, especialy when you remember they are all now at least 3 years old and are out dated by everything but the 240sx (which really shouldn't be there)


While the 240SX comparision would be useless if it was just a comparision for comparisions sake (RWD while the others are FWD and the 240 is lethargic especially as an Auto) If it were for buying decisions however then the 240SX would make a suprising amount of sense- RWD plus a few thousand in mods will have it more than comparable with this bunch

I'm dead sure the 2000 Celicas and up are not AWD, Because when I raced one it sucked at launch adn I beat it by one car and a half.

2002 Celica GTS (stock 180hp)
5-spd
and bone stock

VS

1987 RX-7 (stock 146hp)
Intake
Breather
Hot Wires
4 Platinum Spark Plugs
OBX mufflers (which personally sound like $#!*)

The race was a joke, because the guy hangs with all these good racers which I have lost to one and I was expecting him to at least kepp up with me and not be behind me by a car. Now figure that out adn don't say it was, because of the driver it probably was.

genius.
read the forum rules stickied at the top of the forum.

this thread is 9 months old.
it's recommended to NOT bring up dead threads.

Hmm...

Stock on stock, the GT-S would most likely be the fastest DEPENDING on what year... the new ones run a good low to mid 15 in the quarter, whereas the civic Si (new) will run a high 15, the older ones running mid 16's, SVT focus will run a high 15, 240SX will run a good low 16, and the old and new celica GT's will run a mid-low 16, the all-trac a mid 15... As for the SiR, I have no idea, it uses hte H22A which produces about 190HP, and I'm sure the car weights upwards of 3000lbs, so A good mid 15 could be expected... As for the TSX, I believe it is neither the same as the SiR OR euro-R, I was under the impression both of these cars ceased production in 2000?SVT focus can run low 15's easy, I've seen it done.