turbo or nos
somedude
07-23-2003, 05:20 PM
What is better turbo or nos
civicgsr_T4_60-1
07-23-2003, 05:42 PM
really depends on how much boost you plan on running, how you have it tuned and who's the better driver.
240 STREET DRIVER
07-23-2003, 05:46 PM
if you plan on doing both i would suggest that you do internal mods like pistons:bigthumb:
somedude
07-23-2003, 05:57 PM
On the stock motor how much boost could I run. If I got pistons how much boost could I run
civicgsr_T4_60-1
07-23-2003, 06:07 PM
On the stock block, you could run upwards of 1bar(14.7psi) with the right amount of fuel. With pistons around 20+psi.
SleeperCivic
07-23-2003, 07:05 PM
Turbo. And you can run about 16psi on the stock internals, but not all the time. On the track would be cool, but other than that I'd stay between 12 and 14psi.
Mshkttck
08-11-2003, 03:30 PM
If you've got $$ get a turbo. If you want the most bang for the buck, get n2o.
Self
08-11-2003, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by Mshkttck
If you've got $$ get a turbo. If you want the most bang for the buck, get n2o.
Word:bigthumb:
But don't think that because you have money that nitrous still isn't the best motor. An extreme nitrous setup can cost you as much as any turbo...Take mine for example...Total cost after all n2o and fuel upgrades = $3500+:eek:
If you've got $$ get a turbo. If you want the most bang for the buck, get n2o.
Word:bigthumb:
But don't think that because you have money that nitrous still isn't the best motor. An extreme nitrous setup can cost you as much as any turbo...Take mine for example...Total cost after all n2o and fuel upgrades = $3500+:eek:
PWMAN
08-11-2003, 10:37 PM
Turbo. Just replacing the stock pistons and rods won't do jack. You have to replace the sleeves too. Generally speaking the ''safe'' zones are-stock rods can handle 14 PSI, pistons 12 PSI, and cylinder walls 15 PSI. So just replacing the rods/pistons will only yield you 3 more PSI, unless you want to risk cracking your sleeve.
Like if you ran 12 PSI on stock internals, with the right tuning and mods(like 3'' exhaust) you can be pushing 300 HP. With a built block(with sleeves) running 20+PSI you can do 400 easily.
Like if you ran 12 PSI on stock internals, with the right tuning and mods(like 3'' exhaust) you can be pushing 300 HP. With a built block(with sleeves) running 20+PSI you can do 400 easily.
Polygon
08-12-2003, 01:41 AM
I would take a turbo over N2O and a Super anyday of the week!
civicgsr_T4_60-1
08-12-2003, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by PWMAN
Turbo. Just replacing the stock pistons and rods won't do jack. You have to replace the sleeves too. Generally speaking the ''safe'' zones are-stock rods can handle 14 PSI, pistons 12 PSI, and cylinder walls 15 PSI. So just replacing the rods/pistons will only yield you 3 more PSI, unless you want to risk cracking your sleeve.
Like if you ran 12 PSI on stock internals, with the right tuning and mods(like 3'' exhaust) you can be pushing 300 HP. With a built block(with sleeves) running 20+PSI you can do 400 easily.
Not completely true. You don't need to get your block resleeved. I konw plenty of guys running just a low cpm. headgasket and they run well over 1bar make 350ish whp. Theres' alot you can do on a stock block depending on which one you are using.
Turbo. Just replacing the stock pistons and rods won't do jack. You have to replace the sleeves too. Generally speaking the ''safe'' zones are-stock rods can handle 14 PSI, pistons 12 PSI, and cylinder walls 15 PSI. So just replacing the rods/pistons will only yield you 3 more PSI, unless you want to risk cracking your sleeve.
Like if you ran 12 PSI on stock internals, with the right tuning and mods(like 3'' exhaust) you can be pushing 300 HP. With a built block(with sleeves) running 20+PSI you can do 400 easily.
Not completely true. You don't need to get your block resleeved. I konw plenty of guys running just a low cpm. headgasket and they run well over 1bar make 350ish whp. Theres' alot you can do on a stock block depending on which one you are using.
sihondasracer
08-12-2003, 01:50 PM
yea well i say someone has high hopes no matter what.nitrous isnt some magical voodoo fog that turns your car into a 10 sec. racer with bolt ons.turbo is a bad mother .....on your wallet.but hey id get turbo the the intercooler-cooler.haha.oh well i dont have money.i will be savin till im 25.but yea im not big/and dont know a whole lot about s/c so im not gonna ramble on.but if ya got they cash./amke you block strong b4 anything.then run 2 bar and kick some ass and blow it up and rebuild it agian.later
civicgsr_T4_60-1
08-12-2003, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by sihondasracer
yea well i say someone has high hopes no matter what.nitrous isnt some magical voodoo fog that turns your car into a 10 sec. racer with bolt ons.turbo is a bad mother .....on your wallet.but hey id get turbo the the intercooler-cooler.haha.oh well i dont have money.i will be savin till im 25.but yea im not big/and dont know a whole lot about s/c so im not gonna ramble on.but if ya got they cash./amke you block strong b4 anything.then run 2 bar and kick some ass and blow it up and rebuild it agian.later
Right, full sentences are you friend. You could build a motor strictally for nitrous and run 10's, i'm sure of it.
yea well i say someone has high hopes no matter what.nitrous isnt some magical voodoo fog that turns your car into a 10 sec. racer with bolt ons.turbo is a bad mother .....on your wallet.but hey id get turbo the the intercooler-cooler.haha.oh well i dont have money.i will be savin till im 25.but yea im not big/and dont know a whole lot about s/c so im not gonna ramble on.but if ya got they cash./amke you block strong b4 anything.then run 2 bar and kick some ass and blow it up and rebuild it agian.later
Right, full sentences are you friend. You could build a motor strictally for nitrous and run 10's, i'm sure of it.
sihondasracer
08-12-2003, 03:29 PM
dude i know that but all im sayin is so many people think that just because they have "nnaaaawwwsss" that they will run 10 sec 1/4's and people have a very distorted view of nitrous.
civicgsr_T4_60-1
08-12-2003, 03:38 PM
Ok, i get you there. I agree, there are alot of people that expect way to much out of a little setup. I know people that are only running 14's with a 75 shot and so on.
th_james2003
08-12-2003, 03:45 PM
what would u put on a b20b?
civicgsr_T4_60-1
08-12-2003, 04:37 PM
On that motor, seriously not much unless you resleeve it. Those sleeves are not the stongest to hold up to forced induction at all.
PWMAN
08-12-2003, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by civicgsr_T4_60-1
Not completely true. You don't need to get your block resleeved. I konw plenty of guys running just a low cpm. headgasket and they run well over 1bar make 350ish whp. Theres' alot you can do on a stock block depending on which one you are using.
Whats CPM? Do you mean CFM?
Not completely true. You don't need to get your block resleeved. I konw plenty of guys running just a low cpm. headgasket and they run well over 1bar make 350ish whp. Theres' alot you can do on a stock block depending on which one you are using.
Whats CPM? Do you mean CFM?
CougarSVT
08-12-2003, 07:40 PM
Ok...not a big import man but i do know a h22 will not hold more than 10psi. What makes you guys think with your high comp you could run 14psi(safely)? Detailed explaination is needed........
PWMAN
08-13-2003, 07:48 AM
Originally posted by CougarSVT
Ok...not a big import man but i do know a h22 will not hold more than 10psi. What makes you guys think with your high comp you could run 14psi(safely)? Detailed explaination is needed........
We are talking about the components able to handle so much boost, not how much will run on pump gas. BTW, the B18B1 has only 9.2:1 compression, and is the heavy favorite Honda engine to boost.
Ok...not a big import man but i do know a h22 will not hold more than 10psi. What makes you guys think with your high comp you could run 14psi(safely)? Detailed explaination is needed........
We are talking about the components able to handle so much boost, not how much will run on pump gas. BTW, the B18B1 has only 9.2:1 compression, and is the heavy favorite Honda engine to boost.
civicgsr_T4_60-1
08-13-2003, 09:20 AM
Originally posted by PWMAN
Whats CPM? Do you mean CFM?
I meant low compression, my computer is acting up and it's not showing up as fast as i type.
Ok...not a big import man but i do know a h22 will not hold more than 10psi. What makes you guys think with your high comp you could run 14psi(safely)? Detailed explaination is needed........
H22 doens't have the best sleeves for boost. So the comparison between a high compression motor and a H22 is not going to be the best to understand why a high compression motor can take a fair amount of boost. The H22 is weak because of it's sleeves not do to compression. You take a gsr, it's sleeves can handle some boost and it's compression is 10:1. There is alot you can do with that. All in all, it comes down to the tuner and how good he /she is. There is no real detailed explaination. You add the right amount of fuel to the right amount of boost or where needed and your motor will be safe. Stress will build up on stock parts(rods and pistons) so eventually they will wear out, but not because it was high compression + boost, just because they weren't built to see boost.
I personally know of a civic coupe with a gsr motor running 1bar on pump gas, stock block and head, making 350whp and is running fine.
Whats CPM? Do you mean CFM?
I meant low compression, my computer is acting up and it's not showing up as fast as i type.
Ok...not a big import man but i do know a h22 will not hold more than 10psi. What makes you guys think with your high comp you could run 14psi(safely)? Detailed explaination is needed........
H22 doens't have the best sleeves for boost. So the comparison between a high compression motor and a H22 is not going to be the best to understand why a high compression motor can take a fair amount of boost. The H22 is weak because of it's sleeves not do to compression. You take a gsr, it's sleeves can handle some boost and it's compression is 10:1. There is alot you can do with that. All in all, it comes down to the tuner and how good he /she is. There is no real detailed explaination. You add the right amount of fuel to the right amount of boost or where needed and your motor will be safe. Stress will build up on stock parts(rods and pistons) so eventually they will wear out, but not because it was high compression + boost, just because they weren't built to see boost.
I personally know of a civic coupe with a gsr motor running 1bar on pump gas, stock block and head, making 350whp and is running fine.
CougarSVT
08-13-2003, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by civicgsr_T4_60-1
I personally know of a civic coupe with a gsr motor running 1bar on pump gas, stock block and head, making 350whp and is running fine.
For now......ouch! Pretty impressive though.
I personally know of a civic coupe with a gsr motor running 1bar on pump gas, stock block and head, making 350whp and is running fine.
For now......ouch! Pretty impressive though.
civicgsr_T4_60-1
08-13-2003, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by CougarSVT
For now......ouch! Pretty impressive though.
well, it will last for a long time, it's properly tuned and will hold.
For now......ouch! Pretty impressive though.
well, it will last for a long time, it's properly tuned and will hold.
PWMAN
08-13-2003, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by civicgsr_T4_60-1
well, it will last for a long time, it's properly tuned and will hold.
I bet thats a sweet ride, real fast sucker.
1 bar is 14.7 PSI right? I said the stock block could handle 15, right? I can't remember, maybe I said 14-but I was just being safe.
I see your point, lower CR will help some. I couldn't see boosting anymore than 18 PSI on them no matter what the CR is though.
well, it will last for a long time, it's properly tuned and will hold.
I bet thats a sweet ride, real fast sucker.
1 bar is 14.7 PSI right? I said the stock block could handle 15, right? I can't remember, maybe I said 14-but I was just being safe.
I see your point, lower CR will help some. I couldn't see boosting anymore than 18 PSI on them no matter what the CR is though.
civicgsr_T4_60-1
08-14-2003, 08:08 AM
Yes, 1bar is 14.7psi. Stock block, I wouldn't go above 18psi either and only on race gas would i go that high. Now if you had a low compression headgasket, you could easily run around 25psi, with stock internals.
PWMAN
08-14-2003, 01:05 PM
How much does the head gasket reduce your compression?
civicgsr_T4_60-1
08-14-2003, 02:13 PM
i believe the one that i got from inline took my gsr from 10:1 to 9.5:1
PWMAN
08-14-2003, 04:40 PM
Thats certainly not enough to run 10 more PSI. 25 PSI on the stock block? Thats insane!
integ1992
08-16-2003, 04:07 PM
can turbo mess up ur engine and how much would a cheap setup be and how much better will it help the performance
rayjay
09-22-2003, 02:36 PM
Just a heads up I'm new to this forum but thought I would mention I have a civic Si with an innovative turbo its seems to run very strong. Im a previous turbonetics customer but having waited 2 months for a turbo I decised to go with Innovative and they seem to be great with customer service and turn around time I just put a TO4E 60-1 stage 5 hybrid car has never felt faster goin to the dyno soon keep you posted.
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