Questions for the Eclipse drivers

Now please dont yell at me but i have a question. I am thinkng of getin a GSX eclipse. But i need to know a couple of things fromu wonderful people.

1. How much horsepower do he models have (all rs...gs-t, gsx)
2. Can u beat a mustang? Camaro z28? bmw 3 series? civic (lol)???
3. Is it a relible/safe car?
4. iS IT FUN TO DRIVE?


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Go to www.edmunds.com and look at the used cars. Find the model you're looking for and click on the specs button. I think thats what it is but i'm not sure, you shouldn't have any trouble finding it.

From what i know it's a reliable and definately fun car to drive, as for beating a mustang or camaro, do a lil bit of modding before you try. As far as the BMW 3-Series, i haven't had any experience with it, and as for the civic, if they're both stock you have a pretty good chance. As for modded cars, it's all about the money and time you put into your car in the end, and that's the beauty of car tuning :D (ok, tried to sound wise)

RS and GS have 140hp, gst and gsx have 210, I wouldnt buy an eclipse that isnt a Gst or GSX. Spend a 1000 bucks in mods and you'll be killin mustang V8's and Z28's in no time. Civics arent even worthy unless they are modded too. 3 series I dunno about. I think eclipses are safe and reliable. And YES fun to drive.

Hey, on the same note, since im sure both him and I would like to know, the GS-T is turbo and the GSX is turbo and AWD, right? Are there any other differences?

Both are turbo, GSX is AWD. GSX is also harder to find. GSX's also are know for some transmission problems once they are heavily modded. But still if I had a choice I would go with a GSX, I have a GST and it is hard to get traction with all the HP in a FWD car.

my eclipse is fun to drive. I really wish it had turbo though but hey, it still romps any competition I have had so far.

I have less than $200 worth of mods to my GST, and only one of them is related to any hp (my MBC); the rest are just supporting mods... and with a borrowed pair of Nittos, I ran consistant low 14s, and even got a 13.9 run by the end of the season :D

This year I'll get a little more serious and we'll see what she can do :)

If u put the money and time into the car you could beat any stang camaro n a civic is a joke n i have no idea about the bmw. But they r definately fun to drive and own.

arent there some awd eclipse gst's ill be getting a eclipse with in this month i will not get a non turbo eclipse only turbos

GST= FWD turbo
GSX= AWD turbo

For the Eclipse, this is the only way it works. For the Talons, you have to make sure you look for the AWD stickers on the car, b/c the TSi could be either.

I got a 99 GSX and i love it in any condition...when it rains or snows or is the street is hot/dry...AWD Turbo owners know what i mean!

Originally posted by shortdahri
I got a 99 GSX and i love it in any condition...when it rains or snows or is the street is hot/dry...AWD Turbo owners know what i mean!

Any mods?

Not really. Basic bolt-on mods only. Just got it not too long ago but driven them before.

what if i got a 97 gs, what would it cost to get a turbo for that?

Originally posted by KiCFlip5
what if i got a 97 gs, what would it cost to get a turbo for that?

What turbo do you want?

like the one in the gsx

Originally posted by KiCFlip5
like the one in the gsx

Why do you want that turbo,why not a aftermarket one:confused:

how much work would go into putting in an aftermarket turbo for an eclipse? 2nd gen

oh, and parts for an eclipse will go on a talon too right? including an eclipse turbo?

ok thanks

I wish i could have a gsx..cause it is a bitch to get a good launch with my GST, my only problem other than that is that i rip through first gear so fast..when the turbo kicks in..it just zooms to the redline..

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Originally posted by KiCFlip5
what if i got a 97 gs, what would it cost to get a turbo for that?
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what would be better, getting a 97 gs-t, or getting a gs then adding turbo later, and what other parts would be need for it?

getting a 97 gs-t is cheaper than getting a rs/gs and then putting an after market turbo in it. and its hell putting a gs-t turbo in a rs/gs.

and the only turbo made for the rs/gs is by hans racing..i think, but thats not much of a variety anyway..its cheaper to get the gst, just because there turbo id cheaper, and probably bigger.. you can get a could kit from greddy for like 1350 dollars..thats excluding the intercooler though..

To get a GS/RS model, it is feasible to upgrade the engine with a turbo kit but technically the non-aspirated eclipse engines are not made to sustain much boost. The eclipse turbo engines are a better engine to work with because it is designed to withstand higher pressure (pistons, piston rings, block, head, etc.) from the turbo.

And anyways its easier to drive away in a car with a turbo system installed then to spend countless hours trying to install a turbo kit onto an engine thats not designed for one.

Save time and money just get the GST or GSX.

Hope this helps.

rs (i believe 2.4 liter economy engine) 110hp???
gs 420a engine (2.0 dohc dodge motor) 140hp
gst/gsx 4g63 engine (2.0 dohc turbo mitsubishi motor) 215hp

i disagree with buying the turbo from the get go unless you want the all wheel drive gsx. the reasoning is most people who buy turbos end up upgrading to bigger turbos and front mount intercoolers ect. so in a sense you are paying for it twice, once when you buy the car and again when you upgrade. if you tell yourself it'll be fine stock your lying to yourself, you sday that now but once you get into the whole import scene you'll change your mind. second the insurance especially if you are under 25 is a huge difference. i pay 165 per month for my non-turbo and would be paying almost 300 per month for a turbo!!! the savings alone in one year can put a turbo into your gs and the insurance compant will never know there is a turbo in the car. speed wise a stock gst or gsx run right around 15 seconds flat while a stock gs with a stage 1 hahn turbo($2200) runs a high 14's and stage 2 hahn($3200) if tuned properly will break you into the 13's. so to answer your inital question a gs eclispe with a stage 2 turbo will compete with a stock z28 and mustang and blow the crap out of civics 3series bmers ect.

2g eclipse:
RS/GS-140hp
GS-T/GSX-210hp

to get a turbo kit it cost around 3200 dollars.

your siginature should say 'Kids create accidents in the front seat, accidents create kids in the back seat' hehe :P

The best bang for the buck is the GSX. If you are looking to get the 2nd gen, the motor stock can take +400hp. That is with bolt ons only! The turbo that every DSMer USUALLY gets is the Mitsu TDO5 16 with Flapper valve mod (Ported internal Wastegate). Along with some supporting mods like: DP, 3 in Exhaust (N1 is what I have and I love it!!), high flow cat or test pipe, Injectors 550 or 660's, 190-250lp fuel pump, FMIC (I recomend Greddy, Spearco, or the Indy cores for the 1gen), BOV, S-AFC, EGT and boost gauges....etc etc. With this, you will own everything!! Eclipses are very reliable cars if you don't push them too hard. The motor like boost, and is rock solid. I have a friend who takes out TT supras (BPU+), and C5 vettes, Saleens and many others...and yes, its a daily driver. I would not recomend getting a Honda, only because for you to actually get reall horse power, you have to rip out bottom blocks of SUV (B20) or go JDM....which if you live in Cali, its a pain in the butt. Don't even get a GS-RS. Unless you want an eclipse with the heart of a Neon. GSX's/GST's are one of the toughest imports in existance. You just have to treat them right and know what your doing...they don't take kindly to ricers either :flipa:

i was told that if you have a gs/rs you can put the bottom end of a 95-97 stratus and it will give you 20 more hp and 50tq,is this true? it will probably cost more than its worth

Well, its all up to you. If you feel like it would make a difference to you, and it is something that will make you happy, then go for it:) . But personaly, If I was in your situation, I would contact Hahn Race Craft. They make turbo kits for your motor (420A)

1. i have a 91 GS-T, it gets about 190 stock
2. If you mod it, you can beat anything, i havent raced the first 3, but plenty of hondas... smoked each one... damn college kids and the after market exhausts.
3. I have only had one problem with it and that was that the tranny blew out, but i also baught it from a scrap yard and fixed it up
4. If its turbo, its a blast to drive it.

1. Rs with 310 at the flywheel
2. Mustang, you mean Ford?LOL Z28? Thats even funnier, bmw 3 aren't around my way? And finally honda dont stand a chance!
3. Is it a before i modded it, it was reliable and has always been safe
4. I have more fun racing than just driving. Its hilarious lining up and the other guys laughs at my dinky RS and then he is tring to figure out where I went.

It wasn't cheap to be able to do this. I bought the car for $12,500 last year and have literally dropped in over $10,000 in mods. I love my job! Just to let you know some of the upgrades:

Hahn stage 2
Hahn 625 cc fuel injectors
Holley high flow fuel pump
Greddy BOV
Unorthodox UPD
HKS sport exhaust

ECLIPSERACER,
Just to let you know and so that it don't go to your head. The RS and GS have the same motor, the only difference is the upgraded suspension and a few other things here and there. We are stock with 140 also out of the same 420A.

Who told you 310 at the flywheel?? I hope you have built your engine, because the 420A won't handle more than 250 hp due to high compression and pistons that cannot handle the boost. For someone who mentioned putting the stratus engine in, I honestly don't know, but it will not be a straigt swap. Turbo eclipses can put a 4G64 block onto the 4G63 head and it makes it a 2.3 liter engine, but it requires reworking the oil passages in the head and some other crap. This provides more torque down low, but the possibility of having a Ferrari style red line becomes impossible, where as on a built 4G63, the engine can spin to near 9 grand with upgraded valve springs and retainers etc.

my friend has a 99 gsx. we had it up to 137mph on PA turnpike couple weeks ago, very quick car. but we dont know what the boost level is stock. his mechanic told him 7psi but my friend told me today they run higher like 14 or so. could someone clear this up for us? he hasnt made any mods yet either, plannin on boost controller though.. any suggestions for that?

Its like 11psi max at lower RPM's. The 2nd gen turbo is a joke. If you want a turbo buy a turbo'ed car. Properly modded it will handle 22-25psi at the track with 110oct. And for the RS and GS - POSERS. My bros 4dr AT 97 Max smokes em all, totally stock. Now thats something funny, at the strip and a stock family 4door AT smokes gsr's, ludes, civs, and wanna be Eclipses.

The 2G stock boost is around 14 psi, but the Compressor Bypass Valve (blow off valve) is cheap and only holds around 12 psi of boost. If you were to get a boost gauge, you would notice that the boost would go up to 14 psi around 5000 rpm, but then drop after that. The t25 turbo on the 2G was meant to spool fast, not to produce top end horsepower. I've done 143 in mine, but didn't go any faster because only the front tires are ZR rated.

14psi? You do remember the stock boost gauge doesn't actually measure boost, but metered incoming air or the likes.

I know that the factory one is not correct. Mine says 12 when I am running 20. But yes, the factory boost setting is around 14 psi, but you wouldn't know this until you upgrade your compressor bypass valve, because the stock compressor bypass valve leaks after 12.

Yes you can use the stratus 2.4L bottom end and YES it will almost be a direct swap. Both your head and transmission will bolt up to the block. The only modifications that need to be done in order for it to fit is reworking the passenger side motor mount, but I would recommend taking the balance shafts out. With the balance shafts out you would get about 20hp and 45lb ft. of tq If you do the labor yourself you are looking at less than 800 bucks plus you can use the rods and pistons from turbo version of this engine and have a bottom end just as beefy as the 4G63 guys.

Originally posted by 1320B4U
14psi? You do remember the stock boost gauge doesn't actually measure boost, but metered incoming air or the likes.


i never said i thought it was 14, my friend who drives a jetta 1.8t @ 12lbs told me that. i mentioned to him that i gotta get them to race but i didnt think my friend with the gsx wouldnt have a chance with against a higher boost setting.

What other supporting mods do you have?

3 inch intake, upper intercooler pipe with 2g elbow, rewired walbro 255 fuel pump, dejon tool manual boost controller, 2.5 cat back, ported 2G exhaust manifold, ported O2 housing, Exedy Racing clutch, ss clutch line and brake lines, k&n conical filter, and then the big 16g. I also had my head rebuilt after a timing belt incident and it flows a little more now. I may have forgot one or two things, but I think I got most of it. My next mod is going to be the largest exhaust on any DSM that I know:) I also want to do an O2 eliminator and then comes coilovers and shocks. I've spent near 2 grand on just repairs, as it breaks a lot, plus I had someone jump ship with my money for my first turbo, so that has slowed down the mod process a lot.

Yeah, I know about the repairs. Where did you get took on the turbo? Do you know of any cheaper 3" intakes?
-Isaiah

I payed for a small 16g to a guy in texas off of the dsm trader, and he took my money and broke all contact. Police and the federal internet fraud thing didn't do shit, so I am out of luck. That was almost a year ago though. Also, for 3 inch intakes, check the following; dejontool.com phantomroadworks.com and rnrracing.com

I right now am running a 97 rs with a hahns stage 2 turbo and it was about a little over 3g's, and i used stock internals with a smic and iam running 8psi of boost witch is good for 220whp witch is what iam running right now.
Rs=420a
Gs=420a
gst,gsx=4g63.
Iam very happy with the kit that i have because when a GST pulls up beside me and i blow them out of the water, I love it. Just keep in mind i have done nothing else in mods, like fuel pump injectors, safc, ect ect and iam 220hp. My 2 cents

Yeah, and lets see how long that 420a lasts if you ever turn the boost up.:smoker2:

And thats why you only run 9 to 10 psi on stock internals moron. I can turn up the boost, but i would have to change the internals. There are limits for now. Other than that the block and set up can handle just as much as 4g63 engine, matter of fact if you take a 420a engine and punch it .20 over with all new internal you have a 4g63, but you wouldn't know anything about that now would you honda boy.

And thats why you only run 9 to 10 psi on stock internals moron. I can turn up the boost, but i would have to change the internals. There are limits for now. Other than that the block and set up can handle just as much as 4g63 engine, matter of fact if you take a 420a engine and punch it .20 over with all new internal you have a 4g63, but you wouldn't know anything about that now would you

OK everyone accept for a select few iz all ova do road on this one. Fast rs^^ knows what he is talking about!! i agree with him. I want to clear up the eclipse hp/engine misunderstanding here.
rs/gs=420a 140hp 130torq chrysler engine.
gs spyder=2.4liter 150hp chrysler engine.
gs-t/gs-x=4g63 mitsubishi engine 210hp 205torq.

a stage 1 turbo kit for a eclipse rs/gs 420a is $1700
stage 2 is $2400.
there are a bunch of companies that make these turbo kits for eclipses, Hauhn,Star,NER,and HRC. The turbo off the gs-t or gs-x will not fit on a gs/rs because the manifold is different. It is very hard and expensive to replace a 4g63 engine into a gs/rs for many reasons, mounts, ecms,ect.
So heres the deal you can buy a gs-t/gs-x for $15000-17000 or you can buy a gs/rs for $12000-13000 and spend 3k on it to turbo it!!

Can I just ask why? With the money you spent on the turbo kit you could have gotten a GST or GSX, whose stock motors will handle 350hp+ on the stock internals. To where you have to rebuild yours to get that kind of power (granted, you'll have more power at lower revs).

If you can show me where I can buy a gst or a gsx for a little over three thousand ill buy it other than that a stock gsx is 210hp at they go for any wheres between 16 to 19 thousand. I wish people would think about what they are saying before they say it.

Originally posted by Fast-RS-t:

If you can show me where I can buy a gst or a gsx for a little over three thousand ill buy it other than that a stock gsx is 210hp at they go for any wheres between 16 to 19 thousand. I wish people would think about what they are saying before they say it.


If you really wanted to, you could find a 1st Gen Eclipse or Talon AWD that hasn't been beat on too much. Then you could pump in the extra $$$ to fix & mod it.

I had the 1st gen AWD, and that thing had balls. It had a decent turbo from the factory, big intake runners (at least larger than the 2G), lighter, and faster out of the box.

I blew my 1g AWD up. Then I bought the 2g GSX.

Point is whatever you have RS, GS, Spyder, Turbo, AWD, 1g, 2g, we're all Eclipse owners. Take pride in your cars. Take care of your cars.

And whatever you do, don't loose to a Honda Civic on the street
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