What would you do if you had this much money?
taranaki
07-20-2003, 02:38 PM
Here's$70,000,000,000
Heal the sick?
Teach the young?
Prevent the crime?
Care for the needy?
All of the above?
Ooops.Sorry.It got wasted.
http://costofwar.com/
And it continues to add up.:frown:
Heal the sick?
Teach the young?
Prevent the crime?
Care for the needy?
All of the above?
Ooops.Sorry.It got wasted.
http://costofwar.com/
And it continues to add up.:frown:
Sluttypatton
07-20-2003, 04:17 PM
I'm disgusted.
YogsVR4
07-20-2003, 06:11 PM
Really. Considering how well the $38,000,000,000,000 spent the last decade on crime prevention, feeding the needy and teaching the young has gone. I'm sure that 0.18% would have made all the difference :rolleyes:
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Neutrino
07-20-2003, 07:03 PM
math overload....too many numbers.......aahhhhhh:eek:
you know what is really sad....all that money wasted on wars feeeding the needy schools etc......and they did not give me only 700K to get an enzo......its an outrage......:mad:
you know what is really sad....all that money wasted on wars feeeding the needy schools etc......and they did not give me only 700K to get an enzo......its an outrage......:mad:
Marc04
07-20-2003, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by YogsVR4
Really. Considering how well the $38,000,000,000,000 spent the last decade on crime prevention, feeding the needy and teaching the young has gone. I'm sure that 0.18% would have made all the difference :rolleyes:
How can you be so, uncareing? That $70,000,000,000 that was used to kill people, many of them innocent could have been used to save lives.
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953
Really. Considering how well the $38,000,000,000,000 spent the last decade on crime prevention, feeding the needy and teaching the young has gone. I'm sure that 0.18% would have made all the difference :rolleyes:
How can you be so, uncareing? That $70,000,000,000 that was used to kill people, many of them innocent could have been used to save lives.
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953
YogsVR4
07-20-2003, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by Marc04
How can you be so, uncareing? That $70,000,000,000 that was used to kill people, many of them innocent could have been used to save lives.
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953
And how many starving people did you go to feed today?
Don't lecture to me about caring :rolleyes:
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How can you be so, uncareing? That $70,000,000,000 that was used to kill people, many of them innocent could have been used to save lives.
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953
And how many starving people did you go to feed today?
Don't lecture to me about caring :rolleyes:
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Marc04
07-20-2003, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by YogsVR4
And how many starving people did you go to feed today?
Don't lecture to me about caring :rolleyes:
i don't know, how many have you feed?
and i didn't believ that i was lectureing any one.
And how many starving people did you go to feed today?
Don't lecture to me about caring :rolleyes:
i don't know, how many have you feed?
and i didn't believ that i was lectureing any one.
Pick
07-20-2003, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by Marc04
How can you be so, uncareing? That $70,000,000,000 that was used to kill people, many of them innocent could have been used to save lives.
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953
That 70,000,000,000 WAS used to save lives....... Time will only tell how many Kurds lives it saved and how many lives in the middle east it saved(such as Israel). Or how many American lives it saved.
How can you be so, uncareing? That $70,000,000,000 that was used to kill people, many of them innocent could have been used to save lives.
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953
That 70,000,000,000 WAS used to save lives....... Time will only tell how many Kurds lives it saved and how many lives in the middle east it saved(such as Israel). Or how many American lives it saved.
taranaki
07-21-2003, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by Pick
That 70,000,000,000 WAS used to save lives....... Time will only tell how many Kurds lives it saved and how many lives in the middle east it saved(such as Israel). Or how many American lives it saved.
Horseshit.
Where's your evidence?
That 70,000,000,000 WAS used to save lives....... Time will only tell how many Kurds lives it saved and how many lives in the middle east it saved(such as Israel). Or how many American lives it saved.
Horseshit.
Where's your evidence?
freakray
07-21-2003, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by Pick
That 70,000,000,000 WAS used to save lives....... Time will only tell how many Kurds lives it saved and how many lives in the middle east it saved(such as Israel). Or how many American lives it saved.
Will the Kurdish lives you say it saved offset the number of Kurdish people killed?
Will the American lives lost in this 'war' offset the number of lives saved?
Can you tell the parents of those troops that have died why they will never see their sons and daughters again?
I would consider the money used to save lives if it had been used to research cures for things like AIDS and Cancer, if it had been used in some famine stricken country in Africa or SW Asia. Using the money to facilitate a better flow of oil from the middle East is not exactly saving lives....
That 70,000,000,000 WAS used to save lives....... Time will only tell how many Kurds lives it saved and how many lives in the middle east it saved(such as Israel). Or how many American lives it saved.
Will the Kurdish lives you say it saved offset the number of Kurdish people killed?
Will the American lives lost in this 'war' offset the number of lives saved?
Can you tell the parents of those troops that have died why they will never see their sons and daughters again?
I would consider the money used to save lives if it had been used to research cures for things like AIDS and Cancer, if it had been used in some famine stricken country in Africa or SW Asia. Using the money to facilitate a better flow of oil from the middle East is not exactly saving lives....
Accord_Zero
07-21-2003, 11:25 AM
Pick -
Did you honestly fear that Iraq would hurt you?
Did you honestly fear that Iraq would hurt you?
freakray
07-21-2003, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by Accord_Zero
Pick -
Did you honestly fear that Iraq would hurt you?
Pick fears his own shadow even :tongue:
Pick -
Did you honestly fear that Iraq would hurt you?
Pick fears his own shadow even :tongue:
Accord_Zero
07-21-2003, 11:31 AM
Well in that case, that gives us justification to attack his shadow. And everyone else's...ya know, just in case.
freakray
07-21-2003, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by Accord_Zero
Well in that case, that gives us justification to attack his shadow. And everyone else's...ya know, just in case.
Let's Nuke Pick's shadow, who cares whether he is killed in the process, as long as we get his shadow who cares who else is hurt.....
....that is the G.W attitude, right?
Well in that case, that gives us justification to attack his shadow. And everyone else's...ya know, just in case.
Let's Nuke Pick's shadow, who cares whether he is killed in the process, as long as we get his shadow who cares who else is hurt.....
....that is the G.W attitude, right?
NSX-R-SSJ20K
07-21-2003, 11:41 AM
If the English government actually spent that much on the UK Army or anything else i would be surprised.
Since its the US and it has one of the biggest militaries in the world i'm not surprised its cost that much for the war.
although whats the annual figure when not engaging in war. Its not like they use older bombs they have to be replaced if not used. Then you still have to pay salaries etc etc. I'd like a better overview of the whole budget thing.
IE
The cost for running the army for 1 year (without a war) and the cost for running the army with a war. Then i might be inclined to comment. So does anyone know?
Since its the US and it has one of the biggest militaries in the world i'm not surprised its cost that much for the war.
although whats the annual figure when not engaging in war. Its not like they use older bombs they have to be replaced if not used. Then you still have to pay salaries etc etc. I'd like a better overview of the whole budget thing.
IE
The cost for running the army for 1 year (without a war) and the cost for running the army with a war. Then i might be inclined to comment. So does anyone know?
Pick
07-21-2003, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by taranaki
Horseshit.
Where's your evidence?
What the hell does that mean? What evidence?
Horseshit.
Where's your evidence?
What the hell does that mean? What evidence?
Pick
07-21-2003, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by freakray
Will the Kurdish lives you say it saved offset the number of Kurdish people killed?
Will the American lives lost in this 'war' offset the number of lives saved?
Can you tell the parents of those troops that have died why they will never see their sons and daughters again?
Can you live with another Sept. 11? Can you live with letting more mass graves be created in Iraq everyday? Can you live with letting these kids live in fear?
Originally posted by freakray
Using the money to facilitate a better flow of oil from the middle East is not exactly saving lives....
Can't consider your argument valid when it is pure speculation......
:rolleyes:
Will the Kurdish lives you say it saved offset the number of Kurdish people killed?
Will the American lives lost in this 'war' offset the number of lives saved?
Can you tell the parents of those troops that have died why they will never see their sons and daughters again?
Can you live with another Sept. 11? Can you live with letting more mass graves be created in Iraq everyday? Can you live with letting these kids live in fear?
Originally posted by freakray
Using the money to facilitate a better flow of oil from the middle East is not exactly saving lives....
Can't consider your argument valid when it is pure speculation......
:rolleyes:
freakray
07-21-2003, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Pick
Can you live with another Sept. 11? Can you live with letting more mass graves be created in Iraq everyday? Can you live with letting these kids live in fear?
Is the best you can do is hide behind Sept 11?
Iraq wasn't about Sept 11, that was Afghanistan, the Iraq fight was about the imaginary WMD's which G.W deamt up, conveniently forgetting that?
Tearing across other countries destroying what little infrastructure they have on the premise that you have "proof of WMD's" is not righting the wrong of Sept 11.
Let me ask you Pick, when one of the Islamic Fundamentalist groups retaliate for tearing apart Afghanistan and Iraq with another Sept 11 style attack, what song will you sing then?
According to you, America is attacking them in retaliation for Sept 11, they in turn will retaliate in which case America will retaliate.....do you see where this is going? Your "an-eye-for-an-eye" mentality does not work on a situation like this, this is not a playground fight.
Originally posted by Pick
What evidence?
Exactly, you have none......
Can you live with another Sept. 11? Can you live with letting more mass graves be created in Iraq everyday? Can you live with letting these kids live in fear?
Is the best you can do is hide behind Sept 11?
Iraq wasn't about Sept 11, that was Afghanistan, the Iraq fight was about the imaginary WMD's which G.W deamt up, conveniently forgetting that?
Tearing across other countries destroying what little infrastructure they have on the premise that you have "proof of WMD's" is not righting the wrong of Sept 11.
Let me ask you Pick, when one of the Islamic Fundamentalist groups retaliate for tearing apart Afghanistan and Iraq with another Sept 11 style attack, what song will you sing then?
According to you, America is attacking them in retaliation for Sept 11, they in turn will retaliate in which case America will retaliate.....do you see where this is going? Your "an-eye-for-an-eye" mentality does not work on a situation like this, this is not a playground fight.
Originally posted by Pick
What evidence?
Exactly, you have none......
BLU CIVIC
07-21-2003, 12:33 PM
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Marc04
07-21-2003, 06:59 PM
freakray, i couldn't have said it better myself
Originally posted by BLU CIVIC
:uhoh: i'd buy North Dakota :thumbsup:
Now thats the 1st sane answer i've heard all day:lol:
Originally posted by BLU CIVIC
:uhoh: i'd buy North Dakota :thumbsup:
Now thats the 1st sane answer i've heard all day:lol:
Sluttypatton
07-21-2003, 08:58 PM
Good argument, well said freakray. Just off topic, what exactly is a freakray?
freakray
07-21-2003, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by Sluttypatton
Just off topic, what exactly is a freakray?
Cycling nickname from when I raced XC MTB's and on the road....
Just off topic, what exactly is a freakray?
Cycling nickname from when I raced XC MTB's and on the road....
taranaki
07-22-2003, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by Pick
What the hell does that mean? What evidence?
It means that you are away with the fairies again.nobody can predict the future,arguing against cash figures that maybe some kurds may be spared in the future is fanciful.
The notion that killing Iraqis and sacrificing marines will somehow benefit Israel needs more specific argument as well.
You cannot quatify any of your assertions Pick, it's all opinion.the figure that I have quoted is close enough to accurate to be classed as fact.
Can you please explain,while you are at it,how American lives are going to be saved?The security measures implemented after the WTC attack will have already achieved that.Some would argue that if the current level of defence had been in place before the WTC attacks,when there was intelligence that a terrorist threat existed,the tragedy might have been averted.Unfortunately,until Sept 11th,the U.S. government seemed to be putting most of their 'defence' forces and intelligence gathering initiatives into overseas locations.
What the hell does that mean? What evidence?
It means that you are away with the fairies again.nobody can predict the future,arguing against cash figures that maybe some kurds may be spared in the future is fanciful.
The notion that killing Iraqis and sacrificing marines will somehow benefit Israel needs more specific argument as well.
You cannot quatify any of your assertions Pick, it's all opinion.the figure that I have quoted is close enough to accurate to be classed as fact.
Can you please explain,while you are at it,how American lives are going to be saved?The security measures implemented after the WTC attack will have already achieved that.Some would argue that if the current level of defence had been in place before the WTC attacks,when there was intelligence that a terrorist threat existed,the tragedy might have been averted.Unfortunately,until Sept 11th,the U.S. government seemed to be putting most of their 'defence' forces and intelligence gathering initiatives into overseas locations.
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