Eclipse VS WRX

Hello , I was wondering what are the 0-60 and 1/4 mile of the 2002 WRX , a kid offered to race me and im really thinking hes got the upper hand. I own a 98 GSX , auto, Catback exaust, Air filter for turbo intake, Ram air system. He has a catback exaust , Manual tranny.

Do i have a chance?

powerwise its pretty even
this race is all about the launch which i think he has the advantage since you are auto
but just race him and come back and give us the results

any stats tho ? I hope i win but with some stats I would be more confident.

02 WRX - 1/4 - 14.4 @94.5
0-60 - 5.7
2G Eclipse - 1/4 - low 15s
0-60 - ?

Plus with you being an auto, he'll hand it to you. But giver a go and see what happens

You mention your intake/exhaust setup. What products?

Also, I assume you've done the "free" mods for your car?

im going to manually boost my car within days and get a boost gauge. How much hp do i get out of upping it about 3 psi

Honestly, who makes your BOV. "Made by who knows" doesn't help. If it's not a decent BOV, bumping your boost is going to do nothing.

And, once again, what intake/exhaust setup do you have?

In the mean time, you have cut your BOV return tube and removed the BCS restrictor, right?

A BOV will make no difference on HP unless it is leaking, so brand name or not if it works, it works. The more important thing is why are you venting? Thats the question

Make sure you get your boost guage before you up the boost.

Doesnt a BOV usually control what hp you have an manage it better by letting the turbo off at certain times ? im new to this stuff.

I'll put it like this. I used to street race a lot a couple years ago. I had a 92 Eclipse GSX , 5spd , catback , and a boost controller. I used to race a madly modded auto GST pretty regularly , and always handed his ass to him. In contrast , another guy I used to race had a 2001 WRX sedan , 5spd , unichip , otherwise stock. He would regularly hand me MY ass. We were actually pretty even in abilities , but the WRX was a touch lighter , which translated into him winning about 60% of our races. And I had lots more mods than him. If this guy you wanna race has even a mildly modded WRX , I have no doubt you will lose. He'll prolly blow your doors off on the launch , and that will be the end of that. Thats just my belief.

Originally posted by chris26969
Doesnt a BOV usually control what hp you have an manage it better by letting the turbo off at certain times ? im new to this stuff.



Nope. The BOV is totally controlled by intake manifold vaccum. It only goes in to recirculate mod if you let off the gas during a gear change. Thats all its needed for , is basically to prevent pressurized air from backing up into the turbo when the throttle is let closed during a shift. Boost control is handled by other things.

i dunno who would win. I'd go for the Eclipse. how many psi u runnin? u could prolly put the psi up to 15-17....risky, but if u really wanna win. That WRX, is it an RS or the STi? If its the STi (not the 300 hp STi), then i dunno. im still goin for the DSM tho.

Originally posted by Silver_GTR34
i dunno who would win. I'd go for the Eclipse. how many psi u runnin? u could prolly put the psi up to 15-17....risky, but if u really wanna win. That WRX, is it an RS or the STi? If its the STi (not the 300 hp STi), then i dunno. im still goin for the DSM tho.

If it were a stick , I would agree. But the auto DSM"s are mega slow. I'll take bets on the WRX , and I'm a big fan of both cars. I just know how slow the auto tranny cars are. :biggrin:

The dsm auto trannys are slow? Have you been in my car? Obviously they are not as fast as the Manual tranny , yet the autotranny only gets beat by the manual tranny by a half a car at most.

Most of the people that buy AWD cars have no idea how to launch. If they havent been to a track they often think they perfected thier technique. And with no 60' times to go by they'll never improve. With an auto you can foot brake to build boost on the line, and actually launch quite well. But the DSM autos suck up a lot of torque, so he may come back for you even if you win the launch. But like everyone else said just go do it. Safely of course. I'm curious to hear what will happen. And dont pull the usual boneheaded move of cranking the boost up when you lose or think you might lose. Its the most common way to ruin a good dsm. Keep it safe, for you and the car, and tell us what happens :biggrin:

yep , im just tired of people hatin on the ol automatic . Hell in 1998 GSX the statistic was that 60% of them were auto. So the auto cant be that bad if they sold that many.

Originally posted by 95 GSXracer
Most of the people that buy AWD cars have no idea how to launch. If they havent been to a track they often think they perfected thier technique. And with no 60' times to go by they'll never improve. With an auto you can foot brake to build boost on the line, and actually launch quite well. But the DSM autos suck up a lot of torque, so he may come back for you even if you win the launch. But like everyone else said just go do it. Safely of course. I'm curious to hear what will happen. And dont pull the usual boneheaded move of cranking the boost up when you lose or think you might lose. Its the most common way to ruin a good dsm. Keep it safe, for you and the car, and tell us what happens :biggrin:

But there is a difference between getting a good 60' time , and getting a good 60' time and still have a good transmission. :lol: I could thrash the crap out of my tranny and get a sub 1.60 60' time , but its not worth it. I'm content with 1.85's right now , and driving my car back home is extremely important to me.:bigthumb:

Originally posted by chris26969
yep , im just tired of people hatin on the ol automatic . Hell in 1998 GSX the statistic was that 60% of them were auto. So the auto cant be that bad if they sold that many.

Not hatin on it , neccessarily , but I think automatics are for lazy people. I prefer being in absolute control of what gear I am in. And autos have 1 and in some cases 2 less gears than a stick tranny , which IMO , makes it a lot less useful . And I could care less about 2G stats . There aren't that many 1G GSX automatics , in fact they are pretty rare. I'll take a stick over an auto every day. Better fuel mileage and less lag is just one advantage. :cool:

Dont be so sure about that. I run 1.5s, and there is nothing harsh about it. My buddy launched with me in the car the other night in ohio and it was the most violent thing I have ever expereicned in a car. Its no wonder he broke his center diff. He pulls 1.9s and 8s. Look at shepperd. He gets 1.4s, and it looks like he babies the car off the line, and he does. This is my whole point. You cant judge a launch by how it feels. :wink: I had no reservations about driving 700 miles to ohio, putting down a few dozen 1.6s, and driving 700 miles back home. I havent broken any driveline parts since I learned how to launch gently and still pull 1.5s.

As far as autos, Kevin was running 10.20s this weekend in a 1g auto. Upgraded end clutches, shift kit, and TC. Those things never break, and you can never shift a 5 spd as fast as a auto. Footbraking builds boost, no loss of boost between gears (VERY IMPORTANT on big turbos, trust me). No clutch for me to replace twice a year. I love my 5spd, but auto has its advantages too. :smile:

Originally posted by 95 GSXracer
Dont be so sure about that. I run 1.5s, and there is nothing harsh about it. My buddy launched with me in the car the other night in ohio and it was the most violent thing I have ever expereicned in a car. Its no wonder he broke his center diff. He pulls 1.9s and 8s. Look at shepperd. He gets 1.4s, and it looks like he babies the car off the line, and he does. This is my whole point. You cant judge a launch by how it feels. :wink: I had no reservations about driving 700 miles to ohio, putting down a few dozen 1.6s, and driving 700 miles back home. I havent broken any driveline parts since I learned how to launch gently and still pull 1.5s.

As far as autos, Kevin was running 10.20s this weekend in a 1g auto. Upgraded end clutches, shift kit, and TC. Those things never break, and you can never shift a 5 spd as fast as a auto. Footbraking builds boost, no loss of boost between gears (VERY IMPORTANT on big turbos, trust me). No clutch for me to replace twice a year. I love my 5spd, but auto has its advantages too. :smile:

Thats my point exactly , though. Doing 1.60's in an almost stock car requires a somewhat violent launch. The more the engine is modded , I beleive , the easier it is to launch. I've never had anything but bad luck with auto tranny's , which is why I don't use them. On the other hand , I've never broken a DSM 5spd , which puts me in a club with very few members . Kinda makes ya wonder what they do to break them so easily........:bloated: :confused:
Either way , they can be fast , but my choice is 5-spd. Shepard has a 5-spd , but he also does "no-lift" shifting. I'd love to have a tranny built for that.....:cool:

I see your point. But to use the same example I did above, I was trapping 113 all weekend, and he traps 110. So there isnt much of a power difference between us. But you are right, if you make enough power you could baby it for the first 10 feet and still rip off 1.6s. What is a lot of fun to watch is curt brown launching. It looks nasty. He pulled a 1.28 on an AWD car. Ran 9.6 too, not bad. heh

Any DSM tranny will no lift shift (or stutter shift) all day. What they wont do all day is NLS at 9800 rpm like shep does, lol :lol: I used to stutter shift every pass when I had the TMO chip. Thats how I was running 12.9s at only 103 mph. Now with this new turbo I just installed I may not even bother racing until DSMlink comes out with version 2 (no lift shift)... It takes almost 2000 rpm to get boost back, lol :lol:

Originally posted by 95 GSXracer
I see your point. But to use the same example I did above, I was trapping 113 all weekend, and he traps 110. So there isnt much of a power difference between us. But you are right, if you make enough power you could baby it for the first 10 feet and still rip off 1.6s. What is a lot of fun to watch is curt brown launching. It looks nasty. He pulled a 1.28 on an AWD car. Ran 9.6 too, not bad. heh

Any DSM tranny will no lift shift (or stutter shift) all day. What they wont do all day is NLS at 9800 rpm like shep does, lol :lol: I used to stutter shift every pass when I had the TMO chip. Thats how I was running 12.9s at only 103 mph. Now with this new turbo I just installed I may not even bother racing until DSMlink comes out with version 2 (no lift shift)... It takes almost 2000 rpm to get boost back, lol :lol:

I had absolutely no luck with NLS'ing my 92 Eclipse. Maybe the tranny was close to going out . I may have to try the AT approach , but I just don't like then that much. Especially for auto-X-ing. They always seem to be in the wrong gear........:comprage1

Looks like we hijacked another thread..........:lol:

Originally posted by RockinWRX
Looks like we hijacked another thread..........:lol:

Oops :biggrin: For the record I hate autos too. But if I have one more clutch related issue.... :lol: