Marijuana

How are people's stances on the reefer? Do you smoke the wacky tabacky, and think it should be legalized? Do you not prefer it, but still think it should be legalized? Or are you completley against it and think any minor offender should be thrown into a cell?

I fall in the first. Ill tell you why..

I go to college. Weed and alcohol are in abundance. I did some of both. Heres what i found.

Alcohol: get drunk, lose inhibitions, get stupid, hurt thyself, puke, wake up next morning sick as a dog with the worst hangover, clean up mess left by other drinkers. Maybe get alcohol poisioning and go to the hospital.

Grass: Smoke up, get giggly for a bit, then relax. Still have total control over all motor skills. No puking, no hangover, the next day im good as new, as if i handn't even smoked. And there's no such thing as THC poisoning.

When I first tried it i felt scared and guilty, but I realized this was only because of the anti-marijuana propaganda was working in my head. As soon as i realized that its better than alcohol, i dropped the drinking and preferred smoking.

Not to say im a totall dope head, its only on occasion that i smoke. But put a bottle of Jack in front of me, or a freshly rolles spliff, you know what I'm gonna choose.

Now I want to hear YOUR thoughts on this plant. Do you, or not? Why or why not? Please no flames, theres no need. I honestly want to know why people think its soooo bad and evil when, at least in my opinion, its a much safer than the age old alcohol? I bring this thread up at this risk of my own reputation becasue i really want to know.

Discuss.:smile:

I look at it as hey, if someone wants to smoke it, who cares? Let em, it's their business, not mine, nor anyone elses. Though I do believe that selling it should be punished, just not a lot of time in the slammer. At times Ive wondered what it would be like if marijuana were legal, because if it were legal, would we have dealers of it in jail for selling their friend a dime bag? nope. It would be the same as tobacco, an age limit that is carded.

Im definetly pro-MJ. So much better the alcohol, you'll agree if you've tried it.

How do you like these BS anti commercials on TV now. The one with the kids playing with the gun-YEAH OK, its doesnt fuckin alter you like that, well maybe some White Widow on a first timer, but I doubt it.

How about the one where the guy killed his little brother because he was driving under the influence of MJ. Yeah, they didn't tell you he had three 40oz before the the J.

Or the one where the girl passes out and the guy starts feeling her up. I think that the date rape drug, not MJ.

Legal, maybe in 20 years when the younger generation is in power. There not just gonna give in and make it legal, admitting to defeat after billions spent on battling it.

"Home of the free" yeah fucking right. Legal almost everywhere, maybe not legal, but your not going to prison for 3oz anywhere but here. And how about our health care system? Greatest country in the world and look what a fucking joke that is.

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Haven't done it regularly or recently, but next week is another matter ;)

Definately pro. Will be legalized as soon as the goernments that be find a way to tax the f*ck out of it.

girl falls asleep and guy feels her up?! LOL!! yeah, it makes you sleepy, but not go unconsious. Jeez. And if the guy was smokin, he was prolly too high to care. I know that when im high, i can't think aobut sex for more than aobut 5 seconds before i see something else interesting... like a table.. and start thinking aobut that.

Man, even if they taxed the hell out of it, imagine... 10 bux for an eighth, of gov't stuff, so you know its potent. hell yeah.

I heard that marlboro even has patents to mary-j cig's in a box for when it gets legalized.:bigthumb:

I don't care for. I don't care whether it ever gets legalized or not. I'm all ready too far off in the distance - I spent half an hour thinking about what'd happen if somebody made a sponge big enough to absorb the entire universe, so they could control it... then I fell asleep behind a chair in the living room.
I think it also has a detrimental effect on one's personality. People say that it doesn't change you, but they're wrong. I won't do it. But if somebody else does it, and it doesn't affect me, I don't care let them do it.

Originally posted by 2strokebloke
I don't care for. I don't care whether it ever gets legalized or not. I'm all ready too far off in the distance - I spent half an hour thinking about what'd happen if somebody made a sponge big enough to absorb the entire universe, so they could control it... then I fell asleep behind a chair in the living room.

:bigthumb: :icon16: :cwm27:
:lol2::lol2::lol2:

Priceless.

i agree with the yugo master....i personally don't do it...i prefer to have fun other ways....adrenalin rushes during autox couses....the relaxation of readin a book or watching a movie etc.....but to each his own....i think its a personal decision.....


i also agree with him that even though its a weak drug it will affect you in the long term....any drug will....even over the counter sleeping pills will affect you in the long term so you should be very careful using it

I don't smoke anything and I do not get drunk either. Oh, I'll have a couple bottles beer from time to time, but I just don't want to lose self control via mind altering drugs.

I do not care if marijuana were legalized. I would just like to see the same rules on it as alcohol - no minors (over 18 or 21 or whatever age its set at) and if you are caught driving under the influence you are punished.

That brings me to another point. Punishment. There should be ZERO tolerance for anyone who drives their car under the influence of any drug. Cut that license up and don’t let them get it back for at least a year on the first offence. If they do it again – never get it back.

Businesses should be given the same power to fire your ass if you show up stoned just like they can if you show up drunk (you – does not mean anyone here).

Lastly, I never understood the need to smoke that crap, but if its what floats your boat and you don’t mind you brain getting altered irreparably, then be my guest. Smoke that shit. Just don’t blow it my way.

Originally posted by YogsVR4


That brings me to another point. Punishment. There should be ZERO tolerance for anyone who drives their car under the influence of any drug. Cut that license up and don’t let them get it back for at least a year on the first offence. If they do it again – never get it back.



i agree

Originally posted by YogsVR4


Businesses should be given the same power to fire your ass if you show up stoned just like they can if you show up drunk (you – does not mean anyone here).



Well here in Texas, it is a right to work state. Which means the employer can fire your ass for anything he/she feels like is detrometal to the well being of the company. So if your stoned at work the company has a right to fire you.
Although my wife who is a manager says that she wont fire anyone till she acually catches them doing it on company ground.

Scott

Originally posted by sugarcaddy


Although my wife who is a manager says that she wont fire anyone till she acually catches them doing it on company ground.

Scott


so has he fired you yet?:wink:

Against.

It has been proven that it leads onto harder drugs such as methamptamine. Besides, its illegal, which is good enough for me.

Its not my business if anyone wants to smoke it, unless you smoke it either near me or in front of me. Then it becomes my business.

"It has been proven to lead to harder drugs" Yeah, you believe everything that 'government testing' says.

I'd say its more comparable to the most popular legal drug, alcohol. Yet its totally different, no where near as bad I guess.

Alcohol makes you rude, annoying, angry and loud; sometimes blackouts.
Pot makes you happy, curious, accute, and friendly; sometimes sleepy.
Alcohol causes nausea, and headaches the next morning.
Pot sometimes causes dizzyness for a few hours the next morning.
Alcohol costs from 6 to 12$ for a buzz.
Pot costs from 5 to 10$ for a buzz.
Alcohol has calories(beer) unless drank as straight liquor.
Pot can give you the munchies.
Alcohol can be overdosed.
Pot cannot be overdosed.
Alcohol causes liver damage and kills brain cells; a weak poison.
Pot can cause lung damage.
Alcohol causes around 150,000 deaths per year, not counting murder.
Pot by itself has never caused a death.

You're forgetting that after a long period of time, pot makes you stupid, lethargic and destroys your personality.

BTW, your pot propaganda was pretty funny.

Originally posted by 1320B4U
"It has been proven to lead to harder drugs" Yeah, you believe everything that 'government testing' says.

Pot by itself has never caused a death.

yeah and the matrix maybe has you.......



and for the second statement......bulshit.....what about deaths caused indirectly by pot....like driving under the influence.....

A thread like this will only go so far before the misinformed come to speak like the sheep the govt. knows you are...
With the statistics regarding death from alcohol vs. pot, it is true that nobody has died as a direct result from using pot. You will fall asleep or feel your lungs burn before you could ever come close to smoking enough to kill you. If you use lung cancer as an argument, think about those who die of lung cancer after never having smoked anything in their lives, including cigarettes. It happens, thus nullifying your argument. And if you add deaths resulting indirectly from marijuana, via auto accidents, for example, you are not taking into account the person's natural stupidity, or the possibility that they're just a bad driver. See my response regarding age limits below.
As for leading to harder drugs, it depends on the person, but for the most part it's a fallacy invented by our govt's war on drugs. Most of the people I know that have smoked pot never went on to anything harder. Some started smoking cigarettes. Some used harder drugs before & then decided that pot was enough for them. That argument, like the previous, is void of any factual evidence.
Now, the weakest argument of them all is, undoubtedly, how it affects intelligence. Again, it depends on the person. I agree that if a person starts at a young age, these so-called side effects may be noticed, but can also be attributed to their scholastic habits. If the person has an addictive personality and allows themselves to become lazy and unmotivated, then their education will suffer. However, look at someone who's a double major, daily smoker, who also gets a job offer from one of the top IT firms in the country. Can you say they may have gotten further in life? It's possible, but how much better can it get than to have that company fly you out and pick you up in a limo, and it being the first time in the company's history? The person I just described was a good friend of mine.
The fact of the matter is that our govt. hates to admit that it's wrong. Hell, where are the WMD's? Personally, I feel that it should be legalized to free our overcrowded prisons, help those who need it medically, and reduce associated crime. Lowered prices would be nice too ;) I also feel that it should be treated the same as alcohol and tobacco as far as age limits and traffic laws are concerned. Although, it is hard to determine if someone is under the influence of marijuana...any test would pick up a joint smoked a week prior since it stays in your system up to around a month or so...
I've also heard the rumors about marlboro having a plant set up for years...supposedly to produce "marlboro greens" ...nice thought, but I'll believe it when I see it :)

Most of the people I know who do pot went on to harder drugs. And after a while, all of them became real bores to be around, and they attracted other lame-o loser people (in other words, people so incredibly boring, and so annoyingly idiotic my brain felt like it was going to implode if I sat around them for just two more minutes)
Of course, then again - that is only most not ALL of them.
I find that most people who think drugs are good, are people who've done enough drugs to bring their brain to a point where they're dumb enough to think that drugs are good.
Maybe I'm just bitter because some of my good friends became total losers.
I've also found that most people are far more happier with themselves when they learn how to live without it. And usually, are much more fun to be around.

Well, I can live without it if i have/want to. It's just a nice break sometimes to have. They say that its only addictive and leads to harder drugs to people who have a tendency to get addicted to substances, be it nicotine, alcohol, THC, speeling pills and what have you. I admit that i HAVE driven stoned. Probably not the best idea, but i think most people would rather, given the two choices, drive with somebody that's stoned ever someone that's drunk. The worst part for me was the paranoia. EVERY car is a cruiser when you're stoned:wink:

They have yet to prove that it causes mental damage. Harsher drugs, perhaps, but this plant has been around for as long as we have. Hell, it wasnt until the beginning of the 1900's that it became illegal. And my personal theory on WHY it became illegal was becasue the gov't couldn't tax it, the shit grows anywhere!

well any mind altering drug will be bad for you if used consistently that is fact.....show me one drug that will not have soem sort of side effects and you'll win the nobel



and trd boy read my post i said INDIRECT deaths.....that is even worse when soembody inocent dies.....


as i said its a personal choice but please do not say that it is not bad for you....maybe not as bad as achohool but it is still bad......

Originally posted by Neutrino
and trd boy read my post i said INDIRECT deaths.....that is even worse when soembody inocent dies.....

I did read your post and you didn't state whose death was an indirect result of a driver under the influence. I interpreted it as the person driving under the influence getting into an accident and dying. In that case, the cause could be bad driving, or stupidity. In the case of an innocent person dying as a result of someone driving under the influence, then that is unfortunate, but I would have to ask that you think about the 80 year old man in Southern California who plowed into the farmers market. He was, allegedly, not under the influence of anything. Are we to make driving after a certain age illegal? At what age should a person be banned from getting behind the wheel? That's a whole other issue...& don't get me started! LOL :lol:

mind altering schmind altering. Everything in moderation. Your own mind alters itself with drugs, so why not do it yourself sometimes? Dont go nuts, but on occasion is O.K. in my book.

Originally posted by Steel
mind altering schmind altering. Everything in moderation. Your own mind alters itself with drugs, so why not do it yourself sometimes? Dont go nuts, but on occasion is O.K. in my book.

that is why i said consistently.......


also trdboy we have a whole thread in the political forum about the guy that killed those people and yes.....after a certain age if you are not capable of driving you should not be alowed too.....

"You're forgetting that after a long period of time, pot makes you stupid, lethargic and destroys your personality."

As TRDboi stated, it depends on the user AND their addictive tendencies. Abuse alcohol, MJ, Coke, or any other recreational drug and you will see they all have detrimental side-effects.


"BTW, your pot propaganda was pretty funny."

Pretty funny? It has more truth than the governments anti-Marijuana campaign.

No it's funny for other reason (that it may be biased and wrong, is not what made it funny) Besides, I've found that personal experience is usually more reliable than the opinions of a large group of biased people.
I've never read anything the government has apparently spewed out about marijuana - from personal experience, people who do it often become lazy, stupid, bores.

Originally posted by 1320B4U
"It has been proven to lead to harder drugs" Yeah, you believe everything that 'government testing' says.

I'd say its more comparable to the most popular legal drug, alcohol. Yet its totally different, no where near as bad I guess.

Alcohol makes you rude, annoying, angry and loud; sometimes blackouts.
Pot makes you happy, curious, accute, and friendly; sometimes sleepy.
Alcohol causes nausea, and headaches the next morning.
Pot sometimes causes dizzyness for a few hours the next morning.
Alcohol costs from 6 to 12$ for a buzz.
Pot costs from 5 to 10$ for a buzz.
Alcohol has calories(beer) unless drank as straight liquor.
Pot can give you the munchies.
Alcohol can be overdosed.
Pot cannot be overdosed.
Alcohol causes liver damage and kills brain cells; a weak poison.
Pot can cause lung damage.
Alcohol causes around 150,000 deaths per year, not counting murder.
Pot by itself has never caused a death.

See, you type all this out under the assumption that I am pro alcohol. I do not drink. I am neither pro nor anti alcohol.

Besides, theres a whole lot of contadictions in your post.

Originally posted by zebrathree
Against.

It has been proven that it leads onto harder drugs such as methamptamine.

that is such bs
i have smoked since 7th grade and that was like 4 years, and i havnt even touched another drug
doin harder drugs is your own choice, mary j doesnt lead to other drugs that is bs

Im sorry, you must have missed the rest of the thread. I'll give you a rundown. It says it depends on the person. Capeche?

still that is lame to say mary, is a gateway drug

Evidence?

I have done it in the past, but not anymore too much at all just ocasionally if it comes up, and i think its a total waste of money to throw people in jail for having it. A TOTAL waste of MY money! They should make it legal and tax the shit outta it, to make money! So what if people want to be really dumb the rest of their life because the did WAYYY to much of it. Why throw them in jail over it???? :confused:

*edit* i agree with other people i NEVER did anyhting else, it doesnt leed to other drugs, for me and all the people i know anyway.

Evidence on it being a gateway drug is moot. I bet there is just as much evidence for it as there is against it. I think it depends on the person.

I try not to smoke it too much, but most of the time I do it I regret the fact that I know I will get the munchies, and most of the time I usually get them I spend more on the food than the Pot.:iceslolan

Originally posted by Amish_kid
I try not to smoke it too much, but most of the time I do it I regret the fact that I know I will get the munchies, and most of the time I usually get them I spend more on the food than the Pot.:iceslolan :iamwithst

Haha yeah like I was saying the first time I ever got baked I spent like 10 bucks to get baked then another 15 or so on food that was gone in like 1 hour.

i have too much to say to put into one reply so ill start with this
i hope we can all agree that pot is the least bad of the narcotic familly.
in reality pot is a gateway drug just as much as it isn't. if a kid tries pot with his friend he is accumulating experiencein doing something he knows he shouldn't. after an ammount of time he will get used to doing it and wont be paranoid anymore. if his friend is into harder drugs there is a higher chance that the kid will try them simply because they are more accessible and he has a certain amount of trust in doing such things with this particular friend. if his friend is a pot purist chances are he will never have the desire to do anything else. in otherwords it may or may not be a gateway drug depending on who is running the tollbooth.
also i would like to see it legalised, simply because some of the dope slingers are really bad people the same people that are dealing other shit and packing guns. one day i will have children and they will grow up and make their own decision on wether or not to smoke. if they decide they want to o would rather see them pick it up from a gas station than to go to some seedy part of town in the presence of nasty people who might try to offer them other kinds of drugs.

Originally posted by grimmy
i have too much to say to put into one reply so ill start with this
i hope we can all agree that pot is the least bad of the narcotic familly.
in reality pot is a gateway drug just as much as it isn't. if a kid tries pot with his friend he is accumulating experiencein doing something he knows he shouldn't. after an ammount of time he will get used to doing it and wont be paranoid anymore. if his friend is into harder drugs there is a higher chance that the kid will try them simply because they are more accessible and he has a certain amount of trust in doing such things with this particular friend. if his friend is a pot purist chances are he will never have the desire to do anything else. in otherwords it may or may not be a gateway drug depending on who is running the tollbooth.
also i would like to see it legalised, simply because some of the dope slingers are really bad people the same people that are dealing other shit and packing guns. one day i will have children and they will grow up and make their own decision on wether or not to smoke. if they decide they want to o would rather see them pick it up from a gas station than to go to some seedy part of town in the presence of nasty people who might try to offer them other kinds of drugs.


good points.....

Originally posted by grimmy
i have too much to say to put into one reply so ill start with this
i hope we can all agree that pot is the least bad of the narcotic familly.
in reality pot is a gateway drug just as much as it isn't. if a kid tries pot with his friend he is accumulating experiencein doing something he knows he shouldn't. after an ammount of time he will get used to doing it and wont be paranoid anymore. if his friend is into harder drugs there is a higher chance that the kid will try them simply because they are more accessible and he has a certain amount of trust in doing such things with this particular friend. if his friend is a pot purist chances are he will never have the desire to do anything else. in otherwords it may or may not be a gateway drug depending on who is running the tollbooth.
also i would like to see it legalised, simply because some of the dope slingers are really bad people the same people that are dealing other shit and packing guns. one day i will have children and they will grow up and make their own decision on wether or not to smoke. if they decide they want to o would rather see them pick it up from a gas station than to go to some seedy part of town in the presence of nasty people who might try to offer them other kinds of drugs.

Exactly! Plus, you know they'll/you'll be getting purse cannabis that isn't spiked with anything. And all that tax money can go to something USEFUL.

look i found this for you guys:bigthumb:
http://www.engrish.com/household/image/pottray.jpg

hm, as with any argument I must throw my 2 cents in :)
Anything foreign entering the human body is harmful. period. Alcohol is harmful, cigarettes are harmful, Marijuana is harmful, there's no getting around it. We tried stopping alcohol within our society and look what happened!?! Prohibition was horrible. They would do the same with cigarettes but they don't want that happening again, so they just jack up the prices! I mean, none of us can say the detrimental of marijuana, for it hasn't be as closely followed as cigarettes has. Personally speaking, I know people who have smoke ALL THEIR LIVES.. one of them is a 38 year old man who plays his guitar, smokes weed, and gathers carts at the local grocery store. He's not a bad guy or anything, but he seems extremely unmotivated and a little TOO laid back. In my experience in the army, marijuana DOES seem like a gateway drug. Think about it, without marijuana, there would probably be more coke heads because mj is that intermediate drug. It says to people ok, you've gone this far, wanna go further? And from those of us who have been high, we aren't exactly argumentative when it comes to trying new things, are we?

The government is taking a smart approach to mj. I mean, cigarettes have been legal for the longest time. To ban them would be nonsense (but beneficial), so the prices are made higher. They tried stopping alcohol which didn't work. And now there is mj. The government has given in to the public on the first 2 substances, but with this one they're really timid about it. Perhaps for reasons unknown? Maybe the govt. is part of the illegal mj trade and already gets shitloads of money off of it, and they don't wanna wreck their current deals.

All in all it's bad for you, nobody here can argue against that. I personally have never been hurt by a pothead, but then again.. I'd prefer if all my friends weren't potheads either...

I think it's been mentioned earlier before, but after you smoke it for a while, don't you get really DUMB? What I'm asking is, when you smoke for too long, don't you end up like Jim Bruer in 'Half-baked'?

I know that alot of dumb people do it, but I don't think it makes people dumb - though it does seem to make them lazy and boring to be around (which I'm sure alot of people would consider dumb)

I am for it. Did for two years on a regular basis and got a 3.0 gpa so I don't think it makes you stupid. It only makes you stupid while your on it, well for some it does(my roomate) but I dont ever feel stupid when I'm on it. In fact i've taken online quizes for one of my classes and did better than when I was sober, LOL. I did it 2 weeks ago for the first time in 3 months. I'm just really trying to stay away from it now b/c i was with my friend and his dumbass decided to take some on a trip with us when I told him not to and then got pulled over and got arrested but me and my other friend were allowed to go. But of course he's talking shit behind our backs now saying we should of helped him pay his ticket which is complete bull shit but anyways thats another story. I read something in a pot mag at barnes and nobles and brought up an interesting concept that I never thought of before. That is the govt. tries to moralize everything for us w/o even asking us or rather voting on it, they just vote how they feel. The constitution says "We The People" therefore we should vote on it. Anyways I'm hardly doing it anymore b/c i got a out of a hairy situation once and don't want shit to happen again. So I'll stick to the legal until the illegal b/comes legal. Attention to U.S. Govt: Wanna make a lot of money...legalize it and tax the hell out of it.

I am pro marijuana legalization. If you ask me, the most harmful effect marijuana has is its illegality. Being illegal it has created a huge blackmarket, which has in turn created more crime, and overcrowded our jails with people that are in there for simple possession charges and selling. Those people are not criminals, no more than the person that goes to the store and buys a case of beer. What is the harm in using a substance to alleviate stress and just kick back and relax with. That's not even mentioning the medical uses for it, and yes, there are legitimate medical uses for it.
It should be legalized and regulated the same way that alcohol and cigarettes are, although the prices would have to be lower than the blackmarket prices in order to stop it. Although I know myself and others would probably grow our own given the legalization of it.
I don't see legalization happening anytime soon though, with the current goverment, and all of the propaganda and lies spread out about it. The government would have to turn around and admit they were wrong, and they were lying about the effects of marijuana the whole time, which you know will not happen, at least not without changing the lineup of the Gov. People need to be educated with the truth.

Experience is an honest teacher, it doesn't lie.

About the gateway theory, as stated above, experience is an honest teacher. If you do not have it, your opinion is only based on what you have heard, which is that it is a gateway drug. If this theory has any truth in it at all, it is only because marijuana is illegal. Once someone tries it, and finds out its not as bad as the DARE program taught them it was, sometimes they start to wonder if other things arent as bad, and start experimenting. I myself drank alcohol before I started smoking marijuana, does that mean that alcohol is a gateway drug? Yes, I have tried other things, besides the before mentioned two, just to satisfy my curiosity, and do not do them on a regular basis. Usually the people that end up addicted to other drugs would have reguardless of marijuana's existance. It is just in their personality. Anything can start the cycle, unfortunatly marijuana got the rap for it.

Now about all the hype about how marijuana makes you stupid, lazy, causes the "amotivational syndrome" or whatever its called, and so on. Well, first off, marijuana doesn't make you stupid. Stupid people do smoke marijuana though. It's just a stereotype, I smoke marijuana, and carry a 3.8 gpa in the tech school I go to. I don't consider myself any less intelligent now, than before I started smoking. It has not caused me to be lazy. But just like how stupid people smoke marijuana, so do lazy people. Unfortunatly, every marijuana user is stereotyped into this category. Usually the stupid lazy people you see, are the people that do nothing but sit around and smoke marijuana. If you took marijuana away from them, they would still be stupid and lazy. And to the person that said marijuana users end up like Jim Breuer, that is just a comedy act, some people pick up that type of personality because of marijuana, but its just because they think its cool or whatever, it doesn't really change a person, a person chooses the change.

About the addictiveness of marijuana. Marijuana is pretty much only mentally addictive. But anything can be mentally addictive. Food, television, the internet, sex, practically anything you enjoy. I wouldn't really even call it addictive, more like habitual. It's really easy to stop unless you smoke all day long every day and forget what being sober is like. Any drug can be abused though. You just have to be smart with it, and use it only for recreational purposes when you have nothing important you have to do, like work, school, driving, etc.

And practically all of the anti-MJ commericals you have seen have been over exagerated and are lies. The only one I seen that is truth, is the one that says "Marijuana can get you busted."

Sorry if this was long, I just hate to see all of the false propaganda and lies being spread out about marijuana. It's really not half as bad as most people think it is. It is far less harmful to your body than alcohol, except for your lungs, but it can also be vaporized and eaten, which makes it practically harmless. I have seen an independant study not funded by the government, I think in England, that found by testing with rats, that there is no long term damage done to the brain by marijuana. All of the memory loss is short term, as in when you are high. It can make your head a little fuzzy sometimes when you wake up, but its nothing permanent.

If you want anymore information or are interested at all, go to www.marijuana.com, they have lots of information on the subject and a message board.

I don't like the stuff at all- I've seen people use too much of it and in the end fucking up thier life- it does lead to class A's and B's in many cases- no way all- but once the kick gets boring- the typical stoner then becomes your typical junkie. Alcahol is fine- light use of it doesn't fuck you up in the long run- pot does and the little pro-pot propoganda forgot to mention that pot DOES kill brain cells. Still I don't care if you smoke it- but if you smoke it in front of me- expect a kick in the nuts and for me to chuck your joint over the fence:smile:

Originally posted by Jimster
I don't like the stuff at all- I've seen people use too much of it and in the end fucking up thier life- it does lead to class A's and B's in many cases- no way all- but once the kick gets boring- the typical stoner then becomes your typical junkie. Alcahol is fine- light use of it doesn't fuck you up in the long run- pot does and the little pro-pot propoganda forgot to mention that pot DOES kill brain cells. Still I don't care if you smoke it- but if you smoke it in front of me- expect a kick in the nuts and for me to chuck your joint over the fence:smile:

And that's exactly the kind of attitude i hate. Fine, kick me in the nuts and throw my joint, then ill punch you in the face and smash your beer bottle over your head.:biggrin2:

Find me proof that it kills brain cells. And i wont accept anything funded by the government.

Light use of pot wont fuck you up in the long run. that's complete BS. Heavy use will, but then again, so will heavy use of alcohol. That your point is moot.

Originally posted by Jimster
I don't like the stuff at all- I've seen people use too much of it and in the end fucking up thier life- it does lead to class A's and B's in many cases- no way all- but once the kick gets boring- the typical stoner then becomes your typical junkie. Alcahol is fine- light use of it doesn't fuck you up in the long run- pot does and the little pro-pot propoganda forgot to mention that pot DOES kill brain cells.

LOL, go back to freevibe, or else don't speak unto which you do not know.

You've "seen" people use to much of it. I've seen plenty of results of drunk driving, alcohol poisoning, and choking on your own puke due to the poisoning effects of alcohol. Using your reasoning, I would have to say that everyone that drinks alcohol, ends up the same way. But I'm not that one sided. You are using stereotypes. Everyone that smokes marijuana doesn't end up addicted, or as you like to call, a "typical" junkie. Like the person said before, that kind of attitude makes me sick, not to mention the ignorance. I am not against other people drinking alcohol, I personally do not enjoy it, but I don't go around saying all it does is lead to alcoholism in most cases. It's all dependant upon the person.
And definatly light use of marijuana doesn't fuck you up in the long run. It actually doesn't have any adverse effects at all for most people. Heavy use, on the other hand, can cause problems. Remember, anything can be abused.

Oh and another thing, propaganda is the spread of false and stretched information. I speak soley from experience, and any outside information I do get, comes from independant researchers. Not research that want to keep it prohibited, aka the government.

Oh, and would you like some information on how marijuana doesn't destroy brain cells? Here you go....

http://www.marijuana.com/Exposing_08_1095.html
And if you don't trust that, look at the footnotes, and do your own research.

Wow, and look at this, here's something from WebMD.
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/70/80972.htm?lastselectedguid=

And thats just evidence that it doesn't cause brain damage. There are many other uses for it other than recreational use, there are plenty of medical uses for it, not to mention industrial hemp.

If you still don't believe anything I said, do your own research.

Maybe when I'm old and have nothing else to do, with no more future and just a past...nothing left to lose>>then I'll try it .MAYBE. Just the CHANCE that it could screw me over makes me not wanna try it :frown:

"A number of driving simulator studies have shown that marijuana does not produce the kind of psycho-motor impairment evident with modest doses of alcohol. In fact, in a recent NHTSA study, the only statistically significant outcome associated with marijuana was that drivers drove more slowly."


HA!!:biggrin2:

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I'm with Steel. I've only seen some people's driving get better after 2 cones.

Marajuana has to have a negative effect on the brain simply because it is mind altering- Alcohol is mind-altering in excess it kills brain cells- now because the something from the dope is altering your mind then surely there is something in there fucking up your brain- OTHERWISE there wouldn't be any mentality effect. I know government research has found marajuana to be bad for the brain- and I do trust government research before I trust Socialist stoner let's all be friends scientists. Whatever way you look at it- it's Government propoganda vs. Stoner propoganda- you just think your propoganda is truth- well the truth is still out there.

and from one of your sources I took particular note of this
No postmortem examinations of the brains of human marijuana users have ever been conducted enough said how the hell are they to know then??? Perhaps the wacky "scientists" were to busy fishing through the cadavers pockets to see if he had any joints he never got around to smoking :rolleyes:

Marajuana is the starting point for any druggie- it's like the supermarket trainee of drugs- pretty much every drug abuser who I've seen and met (and I've seen a few of them) have started on marajuana- before progressing to Ecstacy, heroin and Speed- now that in itself was enough to put me off drugs for the rest of my life.

d/l this tight movie, search for "smoking weed with friends" on kazaa or whatever thing you use. it goes with a bone thugs song "smokin buddha. good times. . . when the school year starts i'll be clean for a little over a year. imo it makes you feel good, great tool for bonding with people, but there's too much drama when you get into illegal drugs, so i just decided not to deal with it at all.

I'm with Jimster on this one. If the government is as you say altering research to support their position, then who is to say that there aren't people altering it to support legalization and safety of marijuana? There are alot of people that stand to make alot of very real and very legal money if marijuana becomes legalized. Think about it.

Originally posted by whttrshpunk
I'm with Jimster on this one. If the government is as you say altering research to support their position, then who is to say that there aren't people altering it to support legalization and safety of marijuana? There are alot of people that stand to make alot of very real and very legal money if marijuana becomes legalized. Think about it.
I have thought about it ands I agree with you. The primary obstacle to legalisation is changing the prevailing mindset is nigh on impossible. So it won't become legal. But the myth it is a life destroying drug is purveyed by those who have never smoked it.

Originally posted by Jimster
Marajuana is the starting point for any druggie- it's like the supermarket trainee of drugs- pretty much every drug abuser who I've seen and met (and I've seen a few of them) have started on marajuana- before progressing to Ecstacy, heroin and Speed- now that in itself was enough to put me off drugs for the rest of my life.

Key word, abuser. An abuser will abuse any drug he can get his hands on. Do you think all of these drug abusers you speak of have never drank alcohol. Abusive behavior isn't something that is developed by smoking marijuana, its something that is always present. It could be true that marijuana was a starting point from some of the people you know, but to say that marijuana causes people to do other drugs, is just ignorant. I know people who only smoke and drink, and won't touch anything else, because they are afraid that if they do, they will become addicted.

And to say that just because something has an effect on the brain, means it will fuck it up is just silly. There are plenty of things that people do or take everyday that will have worse effects. I'd be willing to say that someone who drinks a lot of coffee is worse off than someone who smokes marijuana.
Do you think doctors would prescribe people marijuana if it fucked up your brain? I don't think they would. I know people who have smoked marijuana just about their whole lives, and it hasn't hurt them. The worst thing about it, is people who hold in the smoke too long, oxygen deprevation does kill brain cells. 5 seconds is long enough for your lungs to absorb all of the THC they are going to absorb, so there is no need to hold it in for 30 seconds.

Until it is legalized, there will probably be no research on it that everyone will trust, and probably not even then. It's harder to unlearn something that has been implanted in your brain all of your life, than to learn something new that says otherwise.

all for legalizing,i remember the president or some guy that was the highest position in the DEA made this exact quote "marijuana in its purest form is the safest substance known to man" dont believe me look it up,and that comercial where its like 4 out of 5 roadsides accidents where caused by drivers who tested positive for marijuana piises me off so bad,youll test positive like 3 weeks after you smoke,so that doesnt mean they were driving high.oh and its proven that pot doesnt cause cancer,it may have alot more tar then ciggarettes,but that isnt what causes cancer,carcinogens are and pot has none

all for legalizing,i remember the president or some guy that was the highest position in the DEA made this exact quote "marijuana in its purest form is the safest substance known to man" dont believe me look it up,and that comercial where its like 4 out of 5 roadsides accidents where caused by drivers who tested positive for marijuana piises me off so bad,youll test positive like 3 weeks after you smoke,so that doesnt mean they were driving high.oh and its proven that pot doesnt cause cancer,it may have alot more tar then ciggarettes,but that isnt what causes cancer,carcinogens are and pot has none

HEMP is the strongest naturally occurring fiber on the planet, maybe that's what you meant. and if you think marijuana is completely safe from cancer causing materials, you are just kidding yourself. i am a former hardcore user and i can say that after being clean for a while now (8 months) i will never go back. mj causes laziness, unhappiness, depression, lack of motivation, all that good stuff...you just can't see it when you're on it, because you don't want to to stop.

i support the legalization of marijuana because, when used in moderation, it is safer than alcohol. when abused, it is very destructive. people have the right to choose what goes into their own bodies, they fucking government should not control that, they should simply try and make it SAFER!!

But the myth it is a life destroying drug is purveyed by those who have never smoked it.

Well duh - because those who have (smoked it) are too dumb to see the negative effects in the first place, or else they wouldn't have smoked it. And those who have quit are smart enough to have finnally seen them, but you're never going to hear a current smoker say that it's bad for your health (though common sense dicates that asphixiating yourself, no matter what the source of the smoke is bad)

should remain illegal .. then again i think all tabacco products should be illegal.. and guns should be illegal.. i know that alcohol is just as if not more dangerous as smoking or pot, but for some reason it doesn't bother me..

Well duh - because those who have (smoked it) are too dumb to see the negative effects in the first place, or else they wouldn't have smoked it. And those who have quit are smart enough to have finnally seen them, but you're never going to hear a current smoker say that it's bad for your health (though common sense dicates that asphixiating yourself, no matter what the source of the smoke is bad)

First off, whats with you saying that everyone who smokes are too dumb to see the negative side effects of it? That's a bold statement my friend. I'm definatly not stupid, as I hold a 3.89 GPA. And yes, I do have common sense. Most of my friends who smoke graduated top of the class in high school, higher than all of the people that don't smoke. So using your logic, I could say that everyone who doesn't smoke is stupid. This is not true, marijuana doesn't have any effect on your intelligence. The only effect it has that way, is just short term memory loss. And its only short term, being as long as your high. You can retain some fuzziness, or what some people call being "burnt". There are no long term side effects though.
Really, the only stupid people who smoke, are the people that were stupid to begin with. You can't classify a group of people as large as the marijuana community in a group like that, and call all of them stupid.

Who says you won't hear a current smoker say its not bad for your health? Anytime you inhale smoke into your lungs or hold your breath for any amount of time, its not going to be good for you. But its nothing serious. Unless there is something wrong with your lungs to begin with, I don't think that smoking marijuana alone, is going to have a detremental effect on your lungs. You just don't smoke it like you do cigarrettes. Unless you abuse it majorly.

So I guess my point is, that everything you just said is bull, and you just offended me and probably some other people on this board that smokes marijuana.