Will i be happier with a B16 or ZC Turbo

I have read through the forums and have gained a lot of valuable information, however i would like to have your opinions first hand, cost doesn't conern me too much, however my options are a ZC (maybe turbo) or a B16A.

Currently i have an Aussie 1990 dual Carb 1.5L 4 Door and have upgraded the standard exhaust to a 2inch system and put a straight through muffler on the car and also a set of extractors which has improved the performance of the car to no end, however there is only so far you can go with a 1.5L.

question is, in comparison to the standard 92hp D15b4 (dual carb jap), will i be able to feel a major difference in power with a b16a, or am i better off with a ZC turbo (heard parts are hard to find)

I know all the deal with wiring coversions and fuel pumps,etc
going from carb to efi (which i will have to do either way).

will i be able to keep up with Fords, Holdens, V6s,etc

Thanks guys

Turbo all the way :bigthumb:

Turbo!!:bigthumb:

Turbo for sure

:iagree: very strongly

Is turbo really that much faster then the b16a, what about cost wise, are they about the same, if you added aggresive cams,etc

it may just be me, but i really like the sound of a high revving 4cyl

is the b16 quick enough to keep up with v6s?

Turbo ZC would be way more fun, but the B16 would be a lot cheaper and more reliable.

Why turbo ZC? Why not get the b16a and save up money to turbo that instead?

just get the b16 and then turbo it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by 4g4d_getone
just get the b16 and then turbo it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah, the potential and part availability of the b16 is a lot better too.

but the initial install is more expensive. id go for the bigger initial investment, drive it until money is saved for the turbo setup, and then do that.

or just get a b18a and turbo it, cause you can use just about all the same turbo parts as a b16 setup, stuff is easier to get for it than for the ZC, and the motor is cheaper. still gonna have to sink a bit into the swap though

Turbo ZC - the B16A is a sweet motor, but as long as you put a decent intercooler on it wont blow in the Summer (40+ degrees Celsius for all the non-Aussies)

Geez - they're coming out of the woodwork now - where are you from in Aust?

In Canberra:)
In regards to cost, is it about the same for the entire b16a conversion to a zc turbo install, wanted to know if the b16a would be powerful enough cause insurance is a bitch when your under 25 with a turbo.

reason i wanted to know if it is fast cause i'm sick of nearly every driver on the road with a falcon, commodore, etc thinks they are king dick cause they have a v6, so when i go to overtake them they speed up, annoys the hell out of me, yet as soon as we come to a corner they ride the brakes like nothing else and i have to slam on mine not to hit them.

I've recently added racing seats to the car and its made the drive that much better, when i take a corner now, i don't have to use the passenger seat as a support... (i corner too fast)

i also heard somebody mention Croydon motorsports in NSW Australia made engine mounts for the b16a conversion, anybody in AUS have an idea on costs, and if this fixes the need to modify your hood for clearance, thanks again

Canberra eh? Just ring Croydon - they'll let you know but I think its about 600 bucks for the mounts off the top of my head. We may have a cruise of a few 4th genners and other Honda fans to Wollongong - feel like a trip north?

Get the b16, you'll beat most v6's out there.

turbo zc :bigthumb: dropshop's is insaine. it was pushing 178whp...the last dyno i saw, it was up to 190whp at 10psi

check out his turbo page... http://www.thedropshop.tv/vafc.htm

But would the costs be around the same, i would have to get the zc rebuilt for turbo application plus the cost of the turbo,etc

if i go the b16a route i'm still undecided whether later on i'll turbo the car or built it for N/A racing, this car will be a sleeper

also, did 4G civics ever come with 14inch wheels, apparently my 10inch front brake upgrade won't fit under my current 13s

And in regards to the cruise, if i could get the time off work it would be a definate

i've known dropshop for awhile now. i can tell you he never builds up the internals. he used a thicker head gasket, intercooler, and stays under 10 psi. i have never seen him blow up an engine. before the zc he had the set up on a 230,000 d16a6....when he took the a6 out (to get more power from zc) he sold the a6 (no turbo) to someone who is still rolling it

the "junkyard" turbo set-up can be put together for around $1000-ish plus what you spend on the zc and you'll be around what you would have to spend for a b16, mounts, and linkage.

dropshop makes his own junkyard style turbo "kit" you can inquire with him thru the site. his name is jon :biggrin:

so did 4G civics ever come with 14inch wheels
i'd rather put stockies on to keep it a sleeper

Even my CRX came with 14's man. And yeah, cruise up north!!! Im newcastle. :bigthumb:

Originally posted by animeaddict
so did 4G civics ever come with 14inch wheels
i'd rather put stockies on to keep it a sleeper

i think only the si's

Originally posted by animeaddict
so did 4G civics ever come with 14inch wheels
i'd rather put stockies on to keep it a sleeper

'88-'89 GL came with 13s, '90-'91 came out with 14s animeaddict. That means that using the NSW/Canberra road legalities you can go +2 legally - that is, go to 16s without getting harassed by the police.

Note - My SiR came with huge rotors and calipers stock from Honda - Pretty sure they are 10inch and they only *just* fitted under the 14s. Too many counterweights on the inside and they grab on the calipers and tear off. That's why I went to 15 inch EK4 VtiR rims. I have a set of 8 spoke 14s if you want to borrow them and try them out.

Cruise will be a weekend do I guess as I only have holidays when school is off (I'm a teacher). Slave works for a living too - I think :P We can prolly pull Rufes1 out as well along with a few EK4 and VTiR 'teg drivers - well - prolly just Quyen if she hasn't crashed the 'teg again :P

Cheers

Ok ok, time for honesty, Slave goes somewhere in a uniform on week days. Work is a rude word!!!

pfft... 'sif you work wingnut :biggrin2:

turbo...I can't believe you asked that though :wink:

I asked to see if i would be satisfied with a B16a in comparison with my current 1.5L Dual Carb engine, and if it would keep up with v6s, sick of people with Commodores and Falcons thinking they owen the road cause they have a v6.

What is off the line performance like with a b16a?

i may consider turboing the b16 down the track, or turn it into an all motor, but not sure how much power i can get all motor mods, without the cost getting rediculous

Thanks again for the help guys

Turbo b16 all the way. U can get that "junkyard" turbo set up for it also.


b16 will beat most of the v6 and some v8s if you can drive.:smile:

Originally posted by animeaddict
I asked to see if i would be satisfied with a B16a in comparison with my current 1.5L Dual Carb engine, and if it would keep up with v6s, sick of people with Commodores and Falcons thinking they owen the road cause they have a v6.

What is off the line performance like with a b16a?

i may consider turboing the b16 down the track, or turn it into an all motor, but not sure how much power i can get all motor mods, without the cost getting rediculous

Thanks again for the help guys

I can stay par with a stock Commodore or Falcon off the mark and just get the nose in front, maybe pull away - my Civic is stock too. Against a VL Commodore no chance - the Skyline turbo in it owns me - likewise modded 6s and most modern 8s which dont come off the line as fast but will catch me with no issues. I dont really bother anymore with the bent 8s - after watching a friend get smoked by a Monaro.

Come up to Sydney for a day on the weekend and I'll take you for a run :)

I'm up for a cruise, man, newcastle's car club Im in is SO FUCKING LAME!!!!!! Its alright for the bitches to try to race, but you dare overtake them and then they do nothing but bitch about how wrong racing is, how bad we drive etc. Thats a fine attitude, if they didnt try to race in the first place. If you lose you lose, get overrrr it. I mean, look at setanta, I smoke him every set of lights, he still comes back. ;)

Fuck it man, just get you a turbocharged H22, then you will be eating everyone up.

The b16a is a much stronger engine and has way more potential and reliability in comparison to the zc and the b16 without a turbo can wax most v6's.

Originally posted by slave
I mean, look at setanta, I smoke him every set of lights, he still comes back. ;)

Strange, the only smoke I saw from your car was the stuff pouring out of the tailpipe when I looked in my rearview mirror - and I had a passenger too - you only had the extra weight of your neons :thefinger

What about my feelings!!!!!!???????? Lol, when we driving again? I could also handle a decent meal out.

Your shout I recon :p Maybe in the next few weeks - we'll try and tee up a few other - should be able to get Quyen to bring her teg to really smoke you too :p

I would turbo the zc, that would put you at the same as the cost of a b16 install, but would put you wat past it's horsepower range 175-190 w/turbo, compared to 140 with the b16. then you can always upgrade the internals if you want more than 200whp. you can get everything you want for the zc as you can the b16, just not much to choose from. If you want billet cams, you can get those from HKS for $300 each from takakaira.com, ef-1, webcams, zcbrothers, makes cams for the zc but they are regrinds, jun makes camgears for the zc, also from takakaira.com for $300 total. as far as springs and retainers, dh-racing can line bore your head to accept ls (b18a, or b18b) springs, which will open you up to alot of different choses for valvesprings and retainers.

Originally posted by Setanta
Your shout I recon :p Maybe in the next few weeks - we'll try and tee up a few other - should be able to get Quyen to bring her teg to really smoke you too :p

Oh great, make me feel like a taxi again. lol. Im free til late august, then I go play army man.

Trust me you will be alot happier with the ZC turbo setup...First of all, going with the B series motor in the 4gen cars...you wont like the vibration...unless you get the real good vibration free motor mounts...The ZC will just bolt right in using your stock motor mounts...ZC turbo will give you more pull, trust me i know...Extensive freeway top end power...You'll definately smoke all motor B-series setups....depending on how built they are...i ran 14.4 on my 16" enkei's on street tires...you wont be disappointed...

Originally posted by Setanta


Strange, the only smoke I saw from your car was the stuff pouring out of the tailpipe when I looked in my rearview mirror - and I had a passenger too - you only had the extra weight of your neons :thefinger

sorry to go OT but...

one of jer's co-workers has a 1st gen crx. we saw him out and about 1 night. he rolled up on the si and playfully hit jer up to race. both cars took off at the light...the si stomped the crx throught the first 2 gears and jer let off in 3rd to let them catch up. the pass. in the crx (another co-worker) makes a comment about "you might have been quicker but you blew smoke"...jer replies "my smoke was faster than you" :thefinger :iceslolan

okay, i'm done now. you will be returned to your regularly broadcasted posting....