turbo questions?

I have a DOHC ZC and a ihi turbo from a old probe/MX6, my manifold is being made, my downpipe as well, exhaust will be about 2", I am getting a 12:1 FMU.

I have a question about the MAP sensor tho, it aint gonna work with boost will it? I saw this on ebay and the title was - HONDA ACURA map sensor relocation kit turbo.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33557&item=2423392885

now relocating the map sensor wouldnt do anything would it?

what do i need to be able to run boost wihtout the CEL?

and for about 8 psi of boost do you think an intercooler about 19"x15"x3.5" be good or I also found pone from a saab that is 12"x8"x2"

which would be better?

the piping Im just gonna get 2" exhaust pipe and have it bent to work.

the oil lines im gonna get ss braided lines from somewhere and the coolant lines Ill just get some rubber hoses. but i also have a quastion about this. I am gonna run the oil return line to the pan towards the top of it, but where do i tap into for the feed lline and where do I get the coolant from? can I just run it inbetween the lines to the coolant temp sensor? if not where from?

thanks and as soon as you could reply about the intercooler thing would be the best cuz one ends in an hour.

also, how exactly do these work and will they on an OBD1 setup?

where do they go anyways.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33742&item=2423581561


and I found this missing link, not as cheap but if it works better? and how does it work, will the map sensor 1 inch higher really not let it see boost?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33742&item=2423229099

thanks again

I have heard of ppl having good luck with the missing link but i dunno about the relocation thing. And you need to get the oil supply from the oil pressure sending unit on the back of the motor. Check this out it for ls/vtec but the same thing can be done to supply oil for a turbo rather than the vtec solenoid
http://www.c-speedracing.com/howto/b20vtec/pics2/dsc00052.jpg

alright thanks.

and I have decided to do these measures before putting the turbo on

completely tear down engine, get everything COMPLETELY clean, hone cylinders, new rings, stage 2 clutch, new head gasket, intake manifold and throttle body gaskets(both are torn a bit and I am sure one is leaking, I can hear the whistle when i drive.
new bearings(probably)

where can I get my injectors cleaned, spomeone told me that stp fuel injector cleaner does nothing but lighten yor wallet.

I am also going to inspect everything else to make sure it is alright.

I am almost done with the house im building so when its done im gonna start this project since i wont need to drive to work for a while.

I saw a webpage where a 88 crx HF with the old probe turbo and the DOHC ZC, but with 450cc injectors and some ZDYNE fuel management ran a 14.0 and had 171 WHP. do you think with my poor mans fuel upgrade and stock injectors I could hit a 14.99 at least. and even though he had the better fuel upgrade he was still running the 8 psi that the stock wastegate is set at.

or you can use gm map sensor
search on wen for gm 2 bar or 3 bar

yoiu can find on dealer or scrap yard

87 sunbird turbo
pick up supercharger
grand prix gtp supercharger
bonneville ssei supercharger

any gm with boost
take with the connector you have 3 wire
ground positive and signal

civic 4wd
station wagon 4wd turbo
sleeper

www.geocities.com/civic4wd

well, search for CRVTEC and youll get TONS!.

and what is wen? I will search on ebay for one though, and which would be better though,m the missing link or the gm 2 bar map sensor?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33703&item=2423594999

and before someone thinks I am not getting one, I am geting a BOV from ebay and am lookign at this one, Im guessing it is pull type. now the fuel management runs of of the pressure of the manifold puting presssure back against the fuel, so do i need to tap into the manifold anywhere specific? also if this bov is activated by the vacuum in the manifold, I have to tap into the manifold again correct?

now my car came with the map sensor pon the TB, but the sedan i bought for parts had a sensor on a fitting on the back, and a hose from that to another box with a plug. my intake manifold had the bump on it from the mo;ld but no hole with the fitting, so i pulled it out of sedan, drilled mine and popped it in to get it to work, but then the map sensor wet out and i went back to the pone on the throttle body, so now i just pluggged off the fitting, coulcd I run the fmu to that? also could i get a t and run them both off of the one fitting?

and i am still trying ot find out where i should go for the coolant.

You can go to the Hondata website for the GM 3 Bar map sensor mod. They give part numbers and show "How-To". Just to let you know, the stock map sensor can handle more than 14psi of boost, but you'll have to use the AFC hack to get away from the CEL.

ok, so i wont have a problem with boost but the checkengine light will just stay on, or will it also run like crap. I will still get something to solve the problem but maybe dont have to right away.

Originally posted by 94tegRS
ok, so i wont have a problem with boost but the checkengine light will just stay on, or will it also run like crap. I will still get something to solve the problem but maybe dont have to right away.

I'm not sure about your car, but in my Civic, if I were to go to about 8psi of boost without my AFC or at least a missing link or blue box, it would go into limp more, run rich, and otherwise run like complete crap. It's embarrasing.

what is the blue box you are talking about. the FMU I wanmna get is blue, thats not it though right? is it another sort of FMU that plugs into the ECU?

Originally posted by 94tegRS
what is the blue box you are talking about. the FMU I wanmna get is blue, thats not it though right? is it another sort of FMU that plugs into the ECU?

You're probably talking about a Vortech FMU. That's just a rising rate FMU that hold fuel back into the fuel rail under boost. The more boost, the more fuel it holds back on the vacuum operated rubber diaphragm.

The blue box I'm referring to is a electronic FMU that comes with all Greddy 15G kits. The old kit used to have a black box. These splice into the ECU harness and provide more fuel by adjusting the fuel maps. It also keeps the ECU from going into limp mode by hiding boost from the map sensor.

yeah, thats the one im getting. how much more is one that plugs into the ECU. cuz the rising rate is 100 bucks. and is 12:1 good or do I not need that much. maybe 10:1?

what companies sell the computer FMU's without having to buy the whole turbo kit.

Originally posted by 94tegRS
yeah, thats the one im getting. how much more is one that plugs into the ECU. cuz the rising rate is 100 bucks. and is 12:1 good or do I not need that much. maybe 10:1?

what companies sell the computer FMU's without having to buy the whole turbo kit.

The Greddy unit comes with the Greddy kits. If you look around, you could find one for less than $100. Most choose to use an Apexi S- or V-AFC and larger injectors. I would choose that route because the blue box cannot be tuned.

ok, so with the bluew box you doint have to do nothing about the MAP, with the SAFC is it the same, can I just leave it alone. and what size are the stock injectors in a 92 LX sedan? I read in HCI that B series came with 240cc I think and they supported like ~200HP.

Originally posted by 94tegRS
ok, so with the bluew box you doint have to do nothing about the MAP, with the SAFC is it the same, can I just leave it alone

Correct.

Originally posted by 94tegRS
what size are the stock injectors in a 92 LX sedan? I read in HCI that B series came with 240cc I think and they supported like ~200HP.

I think they're the same, maybe 270cc or 290cc.

you can use field vtec controller to control your vtec and gaz

i dont know if prelude injector fit on D serie intak but 450cc eagle talon 4wd turbo yes

if i remember you have high compression on your engine like 12:0

use alot of gaz!!!!!!

or detonation destroy all your piston like my d16y8

for your engine light on
my car do same thing before.
i use cheap and easy way
at 4000 rpm ligt on and car loose power
i install missing link betwen map sensore and tb
that cost 5 buck in pet shop
is one way vacume stay and boost exaust of the line and the map dont see boost
more you have boost more you install
i install 2 and 2 T conector

and is ok now

rick

Originally posted by civic4wd
you can use field vtec controller to control your vtec and gaz

i dont know if prelude injector fit on D serie intak but 450cc eagle talon 4wd turbo yes

if i remember you have high compression on your engine like 12:0

use alot of gaz!!!!!!

or detonation destroy all your piston like my d16y8

for your engine light on
my car do same thing before.
i use cheap and easy way
at 4000 rpm ligt on and car loose power
i install missing link betwen map sensore and tb
that cost 5 buck in pet shop
is one way vacume stay and boost exaust of the line and the map dont see boost
more you have boost more you install
i install 2 and 2 T conector

and is ok now

rick

:wtf: Learn correct grammer!

well, no, the internals are stock on my ZC, i think it is like 9.6 or 10.2:1 the 11:1's I got are for my B20. but I dont exactly get what you are talking about wiht the missing link. but isnt the missing link what goes between the MAP sensor and throttle body(like you say) but then when you talk about the T's and one way vaccum stays it sounds like you are talking about check valves or whatever they are called. can I have more info on the pet shop fix.

Check valves suck. Period. The Missing Link is a decent product if you wan't to use a FMU like the Vortech I mentioned before, but if you're going to run larger injectors, I suggest going with a standalone like Haltech, E-Manage, Hondata, or using the AFC hack. The E-Manage is nice and can be tuned with the Profec E-01 boost controller. NICE!

well, I was hoping that the stock injectors would be good enough for 8 psi.

and then I could get the missing link and the vortech FMU or just a SAFC.

I dont wanna spend all the money on larger injectors, expensive electronics so that just in case I want more boost I can handle it. cuz I will never go over 8 psi on this engine cuz I wont keep the car long, just wanna have fun with it, and I got it cheap enough that Ill still make a profit off the car when i sell it.

If you're just going to run 8psi, go with the missing link and a 10:1 FMU. 12:1 is way too much.

now theres the answer I was looking for.:bigthumb: