Ntercooler...

I know alot of people have probable asked about the ntercooler idea. but i couldn't find them. so ill do it again....what have you guys heard about it. i gots a 98 gsr and am running a t3/to4e at about 8 psi. you guys think it will really help or it it just for show....???

It helps a hell whole of a lot.

for real?? could you elaborate alittle.....?

less wear due to cooler temps.

Would you actually see an increase in HP though?

Its like getting a cold air intake for your car but better

Well, it cools the hell out of the air coming out of the turbo, and we all know colder air = more HP. Pretty decent gains, depending on what type of intercooler you are using. Is it side mount or front mount? Font mounts are typically better, they are larger but more expensive. Of course, if you really wanted to, you could front mount a side one.

ok, so from what i understand is that its like a cold air intake which condenses the air thus fitting more into the engine and that equals abigger boom.....a problem i was thinking of is that adding more air into the engine would require more fuel and it makes a bigger bang, but if your already worried about your internals and assume most people dont have the money to fortify their blocks wouldnt this be just like adding a small shot of nos right into your engine??? thus risking the breakage of stock internals???

I wouldn't worry about internals. Intercoolers are very common. Most cars that are stock with turbos have intercoolers...and a lot of them have small engines. If you really are worried, don't set the boost too high. The only purpose of the intercooler is to cool the air.
And about the NOS, they make something like that FOR the intercooler, but it's CO2. It's an add-on to the intercooler that sprays it in like NOS, I believe it's safer though.

I don't know if I'll be much help to you at all because I'm still learning also, but I currently have a 98 GSR too w/ a T3/T4 turbo that was just installed back in May. I have a Spearco FMIC and I believe that it helps a lot. I bought the kit used from a friend and I remember my boyfriend refusing the put it on until we got the intercooler polished because he felt it was important. I'm only running 7 PSI on stock internals and I haven't had any problems yet. But I would rather be safe than sorry...meaning spending the money to cool the air way down instead of taking the chance on damaging something in result of the temp. It sounds like it's all for show but in actuality it's not. It's called being safe and taking prior precautions to make sure your stuff will last. Especially if you decide to build your car and raise the PSI, you'll eventually have to get an intercooler running anything more. (just a guess). As far as knowing if there is a difference in HP, I'm not sure but I would imagine there is. Have you ever felt how a car drives when it's 90 degrees out compared to when it's 70 (depending on where you live)? I would say that w/o an intercooler, those 70 degree days feel like 90 to your engine. But that was my 2 cents from a fellow GSR owner. Good luck and let us know what you plan on doing and how it turns out. :bigthumb:

thanks for the infos.....ill probable invest in one after my cf hood....

It is a very worthy investment. Not only will it prolong the life of your engine and turbo you will feel a difference in power. It cools the intake charge temperature. This improves efficiency and colder air means more power. Also at the drag strip it is allowed since it will not affect the track any like the water sprayers do.

I used to be a scheptic myself. I bought a $20 talon intercooler on ebay, made an $8 scoop for it and gained about 15 horsepower. Now that is cost effective hot rodding. My charge temp dropped from 192 to about 92 degrees at 8 pounds boost. That means everything inside the engine will run 100 degrees cooler, including exhaust valves, which is a very good thing. The biggest plus is that with cooler combustion temps, you are just that much further away from detonation, which is usually the biggest problem to deal with on a turbo/supercharged engine.

thanks again....will probably go with the nx...what do you guys think?

What did your "Ntercooler" come with? Was your bottle separate? Where did you mount the bottle and where did you run the line? How do you adjust how much CO2 th use?

I have a talon intercooler. Not yet installed. I don't have the CO2 thing on it, it was only something I saw was available. It's just something that mounts directly onto it, and you can spray it in like N2O. I was told you can just pick up some CO2 at a paintball shop or something. They'd fill the bottle.

My apologies. I thought Ntercooler was a typo for intercooler. I spray water on my intercooler. Every little bit helps. Jeesh, for what nitrous costs, why not spray it IN the engine instead of on the intercooler?

You can use co2 too, but it's safer this way. Besides who said you can't run it both way.

On the intercooler and in the engine along with a turbocharger. Sounds like a fun ride in the streets.

CO2 is sprayed in, not N2O...CO2 is much cheaper too...I doubt it's as dense or cold though. I have no reason to try until I get tired of the turbo. Hopefully that won't happen for awhile.

I don't think we're on the same page. This is what I am talk'n bout. http://www.intercoolertechniques.com/

This ain't the exact system I was talkin about but it runs on the same theories.

Just to clear shit up I am NOT talkin bout an intercooler. I am talikn bout using co2 or nitrous to cool down air intake temps. gets you 50+ whp.

But it IS for an intercooler. Cool site.

OHH ok I wanted to get one of these kits from nitrouse express for my civic but the guy who put my turbo on said it wouldnt do anything because I have more intercooler than necessary sooo anyone used this on there civic and got good gains in horsepower??

Originally posted by funkdaflex1
OHH ok I wanted to get one of these kits from nitrouse express for my civic but the guy who put my turbo on said it wouldnt do anything because I have more intercooler than necessary

That's B.S. :mad: Whoever told you that is a freakin idiot. You can ALWAYS drop air temeratures of the charged air with nitrous, water, or some other means.

The thing that people forget is that cold air is more dense than hot or warm air. So, even though you've been running 10psi with just your front mount, running 10psi spraying the NX kit into the FMIC will produce a LOT more power and a LOT more dense air. This can possibly blow your motor, depends how far on the edge of tuning you are. Room to play with is always good, that's why I believe in overkill when it comes to safety. IF you're going to use it, try dropping a couple of psi to make sure you're not going to lean out.

Hmm I never thought that using the sprayer could actually hurt or make your motor blow I thought it was really safe.

Originally posted by funkdaflex1
Hmm I never thought that using the sprayer could actually hurt or make your motor blow I thought it was really safe.

Well, for the most part it IS safe. On the other hand, it's just like any other performance product: if you don't know how to use it, you can expire your motor really quick-like. R.I.P.

Good point.

thanks for answering that.....i was wondering about it affecting the internals...cause more air more boom right? so how mush should you drop the psi if your gonna use it? any ideas....

My advice would be to NOT use it. If you have a front mount, you get more than enough airflow. I can see wanting to use that on something tiny like a DSM sidemount where it will get heat soaked while street driving, but not a front mount. If you want do drop your IAT's use an SMC kit www.smcenterprises.com that is PROVEN on the street to drop IAT's a ton, and most guys running alky/water kits run a 104-110 octane chip and can add 4-6 pounds of boost.

thanks for the input...........

I ran the line under the fender lining. you can control how much comes out by the length of time you push the button. its hella tight. because i didn't strngthen the internals yet i had to turn the boost down, but you can feel the difference and i can't wait to sleeve it so i can run a higher boost with it.......the purge kit is pretty fun too........oh yeah i mounted the bottle behind my seat for now so i don't have to get out and opent the hatch everytime.....so over all its pretty good, kindo of expensive though, but there are some deals out there.....

how much was it?

i bought it from speedfreaks.com for around 290. but most places costs around 300 to 350 with the purge kit.

what's the point of a purge kit for C02? and what kind of turbo and intercooler do you have? i have the stock 1g eclipse intercooler which is kind of small

Im running a t3/to4e and im not sure on the intercooler size but it take up the entire front of the stock bumper. as for the purge im pretty sure if not certain that there is no need for it, but its kind of fun and a friend hooked it up for me so i just got it......also because i couldn't find a co2 place that had the right nozzle i had to fill it with NOS....you could check out cryO2. i heard they have a pretty good kit and you can buy a smaller ring to fit on smaller intercoolers.......well hope that helps later....