500HP SportsTrucks

Which one of these top of the line performance trucks would you like to drive home in (or to the track)?

Option #1
2004 Dodge Ram SRT-10

*Viper based cast-aluminum 8.3L SFI V-10
*Tremec T-56 6 speed manual transmission
*3.07 Axle Ratio
*505 Cubic Inch Displacement
*500 Horsepower
*525 Pound Foot Torque
*0-60 Miles Per Hour in approximately 5 seconds

http://highresautoimages.com/dodge/ramsrt10.jpg

Option #2
Concept Ford F-150 SVT Lightning

*SVT based all-aluminum 32-valve 5.3L DOHC V-8
*Lysholm screw-type supercharger with intercooler
*State-of-the-art patented 'SuperCooling' technology
*Short throw, console mounted shifter
*500 Horsepower
*500 Pound Foot Torque
*0-60 Miler Per Hour in approximately 4.5 seconds (with boost)

http://highresautoimages.com/ford/lightningconcept3.jpg

Option #3
2004 Chevrolet Silverado SS

6L OHV V8
395 Horsepower
409 Pound Foot Torque
365 Cubic Inch Displacement
T-56 6Spd
4.10 Axle Ratio
0-60 somewhere around 5sec
1/4 Mile Time High 12s
Price $29,999

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Holy shit!!! look at all these replies...I have posted a couple topics and havn't gotten a single reply...

I'm sorry, but this site sucks!!!

Firstly be patient- Occasionally threads take a while to be viewed and posted in- I challenge you to find a better forrum on the net than AF- you can't.



Secondly- I pick the Dodge Ram

A better forum that AF? Easy...I go to discussion.nfscheats.com if I need any help with off-topic and autos things...and I go to mm2c.com for modeling issues...the two forums are related so there is better forum.

So far I have found NO answers for what I have been asking...and it's been weeks.

Ram SRT...looks so much better than the Ford

Gotta love it

I would take the Ram hands down, looks so much better than the other two, is so much more powerful than the other two, and has the Viper engine and transmission.

The Ford has to be supercharged to keep up, just like every other Ford. The SS will just get left behind by the other two.

I see voting but no opinions, without an opinion your vote is worthless.

Tell us why you are voting one way or the other.

Originally posted by Statous
Holy shit!!! look at all these replies...I have posted a couple topics and havn't gotten a single reply...

I'm sorry, but this site sucks!!!

This site sucks according to you. That means nothing to anyone else who enjoys this site, which leads me to say, if you dont like the site, leave or shutup.

Originally posted by Statous
So far I have found NO answers for what I have been asking...and it's been weeks.

Weeks? Yeah, TWO. Like Jimster said, be patient, maybe you arent asking the right questions, and if need be, Private message some of the members with the question so that maybe you can get some advice from someone without having to wait for a bunch of posts.


I take the Ram, Though the ford could be cheaper for the same horsepower, any way to find the prices for the SRT-10 and Lightning?

I'd take the SVT Lightning for several reasons. It's more affordable, faster, and looks a whole lot better than the srt-10 ram or the silverado ss.

The Ford looks so fake and ricey...I like the muscular looks of the Ram

Originally posted by NISSANSPDR
The Ford looks so fake and ricey...I like the muscular looks of the Ram

I also see it as the ram has the Viper engine. That's all fine and dandy with me:bigthumb: Not dissing the ford though, Id cruise in that too.

I'm gonna dare to be different and go with the SS. I just like its looks. I don't like the look of that lightning and do think the Ram is cool, but did they have to add the spoiler, it looks super gay. And i'm pretty sure it has to significance to the handling at all since the back end ways nothing at all.

i'll take the ram...even though i much rather have the viper.....

Ford Lightning - Undisputed champ of the sport truck world!

I like the Ram but I think the price will be well over 40 grand.
The Lightning will be faster and looks alot better to me, plus is easily
tweeked for more power like the Cobra. I have heard the Silverado SS is over 40 grand and is slow compared to the other two.

Originally posted by Polygon
I would take the Ram hands down, looks so much better than the other two, is so much more powerful than the other two, and has the Viper engine and transmission.

The Ford has to be supercharged to keep up, just like every other Ford. The SS will just get left behind by the other two.

Power is Power, Speed is Speed

It doesn't matter how you make it: 4 cylinder turbo, Big block ,I-6 turbo,
supercharged 5.4

When you lose to a guy in a Lightning I am sure he is going to really care that you are NA.

Supercharged 5.4 = Viper engine (only the lightning is lighter):biggrin:

Originally posted by SVTerminator
Ford Lightning - Undisputed champ of the sport truck world!



especially since it was the only one....lol:iceslolan

Originally posted by Neutrino


especially since it was the only one....lol:iceslolan

hahahaha:lol: :bigthumb: that's a big no crap, it had no competion really.

And of course, the Dodge Ram SRT-10, and the rear wing is too funtionaly, I do believe that I read somewhere that it said since this truck is fully capable of speeds over 150 mph, it needs something to keep that rear end glued to the ground.

Though I am afraid they are not going to be cheap, I mean hear you get the Viper engine for half the money of a Viper so that might catch some people's eyes and they might just buy it for the engine.

How in the hell does the new Lightning look better than the SS or Ram, I think it's uglier than hell, I mean I love the look of the old ones but the new ones just aren't very cool at all, not for a truck. And that supercooling idea they have, I can't wait to see it blow up in their faces somehow.

Oh and isn't the Lightning engine iron as where the Viper engine is aluminum?? I may be wrong this is why I am asking, I haven't looked at the weights of these engines either.

Edit: ILike2DriveCars, I really like the quote you have, "Pain is Weakness Leaving the body", can I steal that from ya??

who said the lightning looks ricey?

did you know the hood on the ram is non-functional?

hm..


also.

the lighting, as confirmed by car and driver, can hit 147mph, and they did that with the tailgate up and no cover on the bed.

put a tonneau on it or drop the gate, and you'll get higher speeds.

short throw shifter for the lightning?
they only come in automatic.
(sorry, i meant the current, not the new lightning)

the ss is slow, auto, awd, can't really lower it, and it's kinda ugly AND DOESN'T MAKE ANYTHING NEAR 500HP AND SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED HERE

i like the lightning, and they're easy to make more power with.

i chose the ram only b/c it's a manual, and i remember reading an article a while back about some guys who put a massive hemi motor in one and said it was a blast to drive.

and come on, the ram will come with 22" rims... i can dig that...






and for the thread starter, you need some patience. if you think this site sucks, get the hell off of it or stop complaining. the only 2 posts i've seen of yours other than starting this thread, are bitching about the people here. if you don't like it, go punt.

Originally posted by SVTerminator


Power is Power, Speed is Speed

It doesn't matter how you make it: 4 cylinder turbo, Big block ,I-6 turbo,
supercharged 5.4

When you lose to a guy in a Lightning I am sure he is going to really care that you are NA.

Supercharged 5.4 = Viper engine (only the lightning is lighter):biggrin:

Because, you don't have too much more you can do to that engine to make it faster, that V-10 has so much more potential than the 5.4 could ever dream of having. My problem is that Fords answer to making more power is always to slap on a supercharger. Can't they actually engineer something freash and new that can keep up with the Vette and the Viper? No they can't not without adding on a stupid supercharger.

As if you people can't tell, I don't like superchargers.

Originally posted by Polygon

My problem is that Fords answer to making more power is always to slap on a supercharger. Can't they actually engineer something freash and new that can keep up with the Vette and the Viper? No they can't not without adding on a stupid supercharger.

As if you people can't tell, I don't like superchargers.

ok im not backing up ford engineering here, but i have to ask why u dislike superchargers so much . . . it is sort of perplexing seeing as u seem to like f/i (as i can see ur turbo car sig) and yet u hate the s/c

when u were a kid playing video games with ur friends were u always the one telling them they were cheap for beating u with the same strategy everytime? :biggrin:

Originally posted by Polygon


Because, you don't have too much more you can do to that engine to make it faster, that V-10 has so much more potential than the 5.4 could ever dream of having. My problem is that Fords answer to making more power is always to slap on a supercharger. Can't they actually engineer something freash and new that can keep up with the Vette and the Viper? No they can't not without adding on a stupid supercharger.

As if you people can't tell, I don't like superchargers.

You are mad cause it took a 5.4 a s/c to match a 8.3L. Maybe Ford should go turbo and TT everything like the Japense companies would that make it original and ok?

Originally posted by Polygon


My problem is that Fords answer to making more power is always to slap on a supercharger.

It works doesnt it?

keep in mind that with simple pulley upgrades on the new s/c'd cobra (and remapped ecu obviously) you can make 550hp out of the stock cobra motor, which is more or less the same as the lightning motor, just tuned differently.

if you upgrade the s/c to a kenne bell, with no other mods, (ecu remapped) you can make 660hp on stock motor, exhaust manifolds and cats.

no room for upgrades?

what happens when you upgrade any other component of that motor?

even more than 600hp is available, still with the stock internals... not too shabby if you ask me...

poly...

putting a supercharger on a motor is more reliable than making the motor more high strung from the factory.

both motors have massive potential, and it's not surprising to see that 5.4 making 1000+ hp.
without an s/c on it.

and the same can be said for the viper motor.
for being a v10 and "only" (that's a little sarcasm) making 500 hp... come on... the 5.4 motor can make a considerable amount of that without an s/c...

what would happen if dodge were to actually tune the v10 to make it's n/a mass potential?
it would make shitloads of power, but it would be less reliable, b/c it would be more high strung...

with 500hp out of an old school engineered motor, you don't need to do much.

the potential of the 5.4 is massive, but it's easier to put an s/c on it... just like it's easier to just make the motor bigger to make more power...

same idea, different ways to the end product

Exacto flylwsi. Some people just have so much animosity against Ford. The Chebby guys are always saying how Fords cheating. Well something has to be done when theres lack of displacement inbetween them and what better way to justify that lack of cubes? A big F'in M110 supercharger. As far as the engine not having room for upgrades? WTF? Where did you get this information from? Pullies, full-exhaust, chip, filter, CAI(:sly: ) and you have a car/truck with over 600rwhp and runs the 1/4 at high 10s/low 11s. Theres also some 4.6 Cobras (not Lightnings obviously) that are 800rwhp+ capable on STOCK BOTTOM END. The new Lightning is going to be one badass truck. The Supercooling deal is one nice trick and the car has plenty more potential, not to mention that its getting a T56 transmission :smile:

Yeah, but how much pressure do those engines need to get over 1000 hp, do u know what the V10 engine takes for boost just to get over 1000 hp, not much and not too many of the tuners use intercoolers because there isn't much of a need to with such little boost, give that engine the same mods, same boost, and see what turns out. Now I know there are more things involved then just this amount of boost, but with 12 psi, the Viper's engine is at 1100 hp and 1300 lb ft torque, Aren't the Mustangs engines running about that same boost??

Only being a V-10, the number of cylinders doesn't matter when it comes to power, a hp per cubic inch is just fine, now say if the Vipers engine was in DOHC form, it'd be making more power yet. Now if those 5.4/4.6s were only OHV then it wouldn't be that special.

And I'm sure poly wasn't meaning that it wasn't tunble, it's just that it alreayd has a supercharger, that's one less mod that u can do, and that supercharger can only put out so much boost, so your going to have to end up getting another one if u want more boost out of it. And it seems some people have a hard time gettin the saying "No replacement for displacement" through their heads, although the 4.6/5.4 may be DOHC, which definately helps to make it more tunable, it will never see the power the 8.3 Viper engines will see. And while the Stryker's engine may be the 8.0, I'm sure the 8.3 would do just dandy with the same exact mods to it.

No1 here was saying mod for mod an 8.3L motor will not make more power than a 5.4. He was crying about Ford using a S/C. Yea Ford could just make a bigger cubic inch motor to make more power. But with emission laws,mileage requirments, insurance. Its just not pratical anymore. Ever notice that awesome gas guzzler tax if you go buy a new Viper?

Well do you own and drive a Viper everyday?? I'm sure you'd know how the mileage on one is. How about asking an owner of a Viper on this board, mileage isn't bad as u think, compared to it's low gearing, .50:1 6th gear, 3.07 rear end, and 20 inch tires it's not bad at all. It's funny that the Murcielago gets worse mileage, it's proven. The SVT Cobra's dont get that great either, compared to them being almost half the size and DOHC. Also, the Viper has no problem passing emissions. It's in production, isn't it? Oh, and T56 tranny, where else have I seen this, Viper??

flylwsi, how is the Viper engine high strung?? So your saying, just because 505 cubic inches can make 500 hp that's high strung?? Now if it was 100 cubic inches making 500 hp, that's high strung.

Originally posted by v10_viper



Edit: ILike2DriveCars, I really like the quote you have, "Pain is Weakness Leaving the body", can I steal that from ya??

Yeah man, no problems:bigthumb: Got it off the back of a Marine T-shirt myself.

There are some corrections that need to be made here.

1. I am not a fan of forced induction in general. I don't like N2O and I don't like supercharging, I only like turbocharging. It is a personal preference. It is my opinion that turbos are far better than the other two options.

2. The Viper engine is huge. You are hardly seeing what it can do. You can get 1000HP out of it without breaking a sweat. Tuning it for more power would hardly make it "high strung." I don't here about Ferraris, BMWs, or Audis having engine trouble because they are high strung because they are highly tuned from the factory.

3. I could go into the mod for mod shit and we all know what would happen, the Viper will always come out on top. I suppose that the 8.3L was a poor example for an N/A engine so let's use the 5.7L Hemi. It isn't much larger than the 5.4L yet N/A at 9.0:1 compression ratio, being pushrod, and having an cast iron block and an aluminum head it pushes out a restricted 350HP. Now the Dodge magnum concept has this same engine with a supercharger on it. The car weighs near 5000 pounds yet the engine rocets it to 60 in 4.3 seconds. It has 430HP and 480 ft/lbs of torque. I think those numbers are reserved. Now the car version of the 5.7L Hemi should be out soon. It will be all aluminum, probably a 9.0:1 or 10.0:1 compression ratio, and still pushrod. At the very least the engine will produce 400HP, and like the truck engine it is very restricted. This is up against and engine that is only 0.3L smaller, DOHC, and supercharged. There is no doubt which is the better engine. Ford can't match the Hemi without using a supercharger.

That is my point. Rather than design something, let's just throw on a supercharger. SVT is a joke, that is all they can do. They should call themselves Supercharged Vehicles Team. They can't seem to do much else to the car besides that.

I stand by that the SRT-10 Dodge Ram is BY FAR better looking, better performing, and better quality than the Lightning, which is still a concept. The SRT-10 Ram is being built right now.

That is my point. Rather than design something, let's just throw on a supercharger. SVT is a joke, that is all they can do. They should call themselves Supercharged Vehicles Team. They can't seem to do much else to the car besides that.

I dont know where youre getting "Just throwed a Supercharger" idea from... That was pretty ignorant by your part. I guess building an engine that can withstand 800-1000rwhp isnt a big thing either? Forging the internals and making sure itll handle an s-load of boost on the stock engine is also nothing of importance? :rolleyes:

TRUTH is, MOD for MOD, The 4.6/5.4 will come out on top. Why? Because itll respond more with mods than the SS or the V-10. Think about how much $$$ it costs to make a Viper run 10s/11s then think how much it costs for the Supercharged SVT engines. Just $1500-$2000 and youre in the 10s with a decent driver. Thats Pulleys, Full-Exhaust and chips. Yep, thats truly a joke from Ford and SVT huh?
:rolleyes:

Personally, I love superchargers. Theres no better sound than a blower whine coming from the engine and the feel of boost throughtout all the RPMS with no lag. People get neuphoric when it comes to the turbos BOV/wastegate. "Its Mad Tyte Yo.... dat car be goin PPSSSSTTTTTT.... PSSSSTTTTT!!" :bloated:

Originally posted by DkShadow


TRUTH is, MOD for MOD, The 4.6/5.4 will come out on top. Why? Because itll respond more with mods than the SS or the V-10. Think about how much $$$ it costs to make a Viper run 10s/11s then think how much it costs for the Supercharged SVT engines. Just $1500-$2000 and youre in the 10s with a decent driver. Thats Pulleys, Full-Exhaust and chips. Yep, thats truly a joke from Ford and SVT huh?
:rolleyes:



the viper comparo is a bad one...yeah they take a shitload of money to be fast on the strip....its not the engines fault its the fact that the vipers are shitty drag racers they are track cars.....

and turbo's are more effcient than suprechargers.....that its not a myth its a fact....turbo's have over 80% efficiency....the only super that comes close its athe vortec centrifugal ones.....
problem with turbo's is that they are very picky to maintain and more expensive

you don't belive me about turbo's go find on the web a mustang video that runs 7 flat with a turbo....

Poly did a good job, now your the ignorant one who doens't understand.

I dont know where youre getting "Just throwed a Supercharger" idea from... That was pretty ignorant by your part. I guess building an engine that can withstand 800-1000rwhp isnt a big thing either? Forging the internals and making sure itll handle an s-load of boost on the stock engine is also nothing of importance?

Well, SVT, lets see, the lightning and Cobra, supercharged, what in the the hell is damn special about supercharging something, what would be special is if they changed the cams and everything else to get that much power.

TRUTH is, MOD for MOD, The 4.6/5.4 will come out on top. Why? Because itll respond more with mods than the SS or the V-10. Think about how much $$$ it costs to make a Viper run 10s/11s then think how much it costs for the Supercharged SVT engines. Just $1500-$2000 and youre in the 10s with a decent driver. Thats Pulleys, Full-Exhaust and chips. Yep, thats truly a joke from Ford and SVT huh?

Oh, so obviously your being ignorant and not readin other people's posts, like the one where I said the SVS Stryker TT Stage III has only 12 psi of boost yet over 1000 hp, I'm sure the Cobra Mustangs have more, and only have what, 390 hp??


Personally, I love superchargers. Theres no better sound than a blower whine coming from the engine and the feel of boost throughtout all the RPMS with no lag. People get neuphoric when it comes to the turbos BOV/wastegate. "Its Mad Tyte Yo.... dat car be goin PPSSSSTTTTTT.... PSSSSTTTTT!!"

With a twin turbo set up, if they're small enough, there is no noticable lag. Maybe you should know what a BOV is before you say people use them for the sound of them. They're there for a reason.

Originally posted by Neutrino



the viper comparo is a bad one...yeah they take a shitload of money to be fast on the strip....its not the engines fault its the fact that the vipers are shitty drag racers they are track cars.....

and turbo's are more effcient than suprechargers.....that its not a myth its a fact....turbo's have over 80% efficiency....the only super that comes close its athe vortec centrifugal ones.....
problem with turbo's is that they are very picky to maintain and more expensive

you don't belive me about turbo's go find on the web a mustang video that runs 7 flat with a turbo....

When did i say superchargers are better? I just stated that i like them better because of its sound. Ofcourse theres that parasistic loss... but its WAAAY cheaper than a turbo. A turbo kit for my mustang will cost me in excess of $7k-10k compared to the $3600-$4000 for a supercharger. Guess which one im going with :rolleyes:

Originally posted by v10_viper
Poly did a good job, now your the ignorant one who doens't understand.



With a twin turbo set up, if they're small enough, there is no noticable lag. Maybe you should know what a BOV is before you say people use them for the sound of them. They're there for a reason.

How am I the ignorant one? Do i knock his car for being ugly as sin and not going anywhere without a Turbo? No. You cannot insult an automotive maker because theyre going different routes to make their cars faster. Forced Induction was the best idea for SVT since many Mustang owners even go that route. Well lets see, you got over 400hp, a 3 year coverage/warranty and the simpleness of modifying the car... Well yeah, they are pretty stupid arent they? And wow... duh a BOV, i never knew that it was used for a reason... :bloated:

Originally posted by DkShadow


When did i say superchargers are better? I just stated that i like them better because of its sound. Ofcourse theres that parasistic loss... but its WAAAY cheaper than a turbo. A turbo kit for my mustang will cost me in excess of $7k-10k compared to the $3600-$4000 for a supercharger. Guess which one im going with :rolleyes:


well since you i saw you were such a fan of superchargers and making fun of turbo's i ausumed you though they were better....not that you just like the sound better.....


and btw you can get a good turbo setup starting about 2-3k not 7-10K

Originally posted by Neutrino
and btw you can get a good turbo setup starting about 2-3k not 7-10K


Hmm... Show me a link to where i can find a Turbo Kit for my Mustang for around $2-3k. Also dont forget, I meant to add including installation. :redface:

I didnt include installation on the supercharger because its not as strenuous as having to install a turbocharger on a stang.

Originally posted by DkShadow



Hmm... Show me a link to where i can find a Turbo Kit for my Mustang for around $2-3k. Also dont forget, I meant to add including installation. :redface:

I didnt include installation on the supercharger because its not as strenuous as having to install a turbocharger on a stang.


i woud not know were....i was refering to turbo kits in general....i know for hondas or focus or for my car they ussually cost between 2000 for somewhat decent to about 4000 to absolute top notch systems....you can go ask in the forced induction forum....

if they charge you 7-10K for a mustank kit they are ripping you guys off....unless maybe the mustang setup has some issues that need to be worked out with turbos.....

The S/C kits for newer Mustang run average 3800. Not many turbo kits available but at 1 time Incon's TT for a 5.0 was $10,000. Most single turbo start near 6g. None of these count install

Originally posted by GTStang
The S/C kits for newer Mustang run average 3800. Not many turbo kits available but at 1 time Incon's TT for a 5.0 was $10,000. Most single turbo start near 6g. None of these count install

auch this sucks for you guys...those are ridiculous prices.....

Originally posted by Polygon


Because, you don't have too much more you can do to that engine to make it faster, that V-10 has so much more potential than the 5.4 could ever dream of having. My problem is that Fords answer to making more power is always to slap on a supercharger. Can't they actually engineer something freash and new that can keep up with the Vette and the Viper? No they can't not without adding on a stupid supercharger.

As if you people can't tell, I don't like superchargers.

Why does Dodge have to just make the engine bigger to get power?
If you want to talk about supercharging the Ram SRT-10 then you have to make the Ford Lightning's 5.4 into 8.3 liters as well, better yet lets just use ricer math here and make all cars even.:icon16:

Originally posted by DkShadow


How am I the ignorant one? Do i knock his car for being ugly as sin and not going anywhere without a Turbo? No. You cannot insult an automotive maker because theyre going different routes to make their cars faster. Forced Induction was the best idea for SVT since many Mustang owners even go that route. Well lets see, you got over 400hp, a 3 year coverage/warranty and the simpleness of modifying the car... Well yeah, they are pretty stupid arent they? And wow... duh a BOV, i never knew that it was used for a reason... :bloated:

Alright, grow the fuck up! It is fine that you don't agree with me, but now you're taking personal shots at my car which isn't even part of the discussion. You're ignorant because you are making comments on things you don't know anything about.

Stock the Viper ACR and SRT-10 can run in the 11s. It doesn't take much more to get them running in the 10s. Any faster than that and it becomes very expensive to get any car lower than 10s. The Viper was never built as a drag car. It doesn't even have a solid rear axle like the Mustang does. It was built as a track car.

As for SVT, they have to forge internals, that is part of adding a supercharger. It is nothing special, any manufacture adding F/I from the factory use forged internals unless they are cheap. V10 hit the nail right on the head. I was getting at actually tuning the engine for more power.

Turbos are far better than superchargers, sure they might be more expensive, but you get what you pay for. And a Blow Off Valve or Diverter Valve does have a purpose. When you shift the throttle plate closes creating backpressure. This can cause a lot of damage to a turbo. A BOV or DV vent or re-circulate that pressure to ensure that the turbo does not get damaged. I happen to like the sound of the venting air and the whistle of the turbo over the whine of a supercharger.

I also love how you avoided the rest of my other post. :rolleyes:

Ford made a N/A 427ci V-8 putting out 590hp for the Ford 427 concept.
It is supposed to show up in the Ford Futura which is a car based on the
Mazda 6 platform. Ford can make engines like that if they want to but it is more of a question of if they will make it to production.

I do understand that they can, my problem is that they don't. I would rather hear the good old rumble of a V8 than the whine of the S/C.

Originally posted by Polygon
I do understand that they can, my problem is that they don't. I would rather hear the good old rumble of a V8 than the whine of the S/C.

I agree with you, I love the sound of a V-8, It makes my balls feel as huge as canalopes, Its just i'm tired of excuses and technicalities about who should when in a race or what somebody uses. Run what cha brung.

I don't look at Dodge and Chevy as rivals to Ford anymore. Since import lovers like to group them all in to one category "domestic" or "American Junk" I kind of root for all of them to produce good automobiles.

Avoided the rest of your post? Frankly i couldnt care less what you posted... The reason why i posted what i did was because you called SVT a joke and cant do anything right... Which is why I said... "Pretty ignorant by your part" :rolleyes: Besides... If you had half the brain, you would realize the aftermarket for putting down real big numbers on MODULAR engines arent that big... Sure you can P&P the heads, get a new cam and stroke the engine... At the end of the day... Youre lucky if you see anything near 300-400rwhp, which is why SVT went with the Supercharger. Cheaper, more realiable and youll see instant gains of 360-400rwhp... Upgrade the pulleys, free up the exhaust and youll pick up 100-200rwhp... Its a proven fact. I would still pick the Lightning/Cobra over anything... Its cheaper than the SRT-10/Viper and with minor bolt ons will be faster. And i know what a BOV/Bypass valve is used for, superchargers do use them too ya know :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Polygon


Alright, grow the fuck up! It is fine that you don't agree with me, but now you're taking personal shots at my car which isn't even part of the discussion. You're ignorant because you are making comments on things you don't know anything about.

Stock the Viper ACR and SRT-10 can run in the 11s. It doesn't take much more to get them running in the 10s. Any faster than that and it becomes very expensive to get any car lower than 10s. The Viper was never built as a drag car. It doesn't even have a solid rear axle like the Mustang does. It was built as a track car.

As for SVT, they have to forge internals, that is part of adding a supercharger. It is nothing special, any manufacture adding F/I from the factory use forged internals unless they are cheap. V10 hit the nail right on the head. I was getting at actually tuning the engine for more power.

Turbos are far better than superchargers, sure they might be more expensive, but you get what you pay for. And a Blow Off Valve or Diverter Valve does have a purpose. When you shift the throttle plate closes creating backpressure. This can cause a lot of damage to a turbo. A BOV or DV vent or re-circulate that pressure to ensure that the turbo does not get damaged. I happen to like the sound of the venting air and the whistle of the turbo over the whine of a supercharger.

I also love how you avoided the rest of my other post. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by DkShadow
And i know what a BOV/Bypass valve is used for, superchargers do use them too ya know :rolleyes:

Then next time don't play stupid and I won't think you are.

Originally posted by Polygon


Then next time don't play stupid and I won't think you are.

It was meant to be taken as a joke... Sarcasm if you will to all the ricers who "Get neuphoric at the sound of a turbos wastgate":rolleyes:

Whatever... We both have our different p.o.v. and opinions and most likely non of ours will ever change to compensate each other. You know the saying... To each his own. :cheers:

How very true. :iagree:

One side note Poly, 03 Cobras dont have live axles

Someone voted for the SS Silverado eh? That's cool, I just wouldn't see myself shelling out 38k for a truck like that when that much money could get me a badass little car. Although, it does look pretty good...