2003 Ultimate Street Car Challenge

have any of you heard of this? the 10 cars that receive the most votes compte in the challenge and there are 14 tests including appearance, engineering, and drivability. Does anyone know when the results of the vote will be annouced?

Link (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=35&article_id=2834)

Here are all the results still think the S-10 should have won by my vote.

this isn't it.. this is a different contest.

here is info about the contest i was talkin about.

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/uscc/0303scc_uscc00/

heres the ten competitiors:

1996 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 Spyder: Joe Privitier, Sherman Oaks, Calif.
1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse: Dan Cokic, Milford, Conn.
1972 Datsun 510: Michai l Essa, Culver City, Calif.
2001 Dodge Viper ACR: Paul Mumford, Yorba Linda, Calif.
2001 Acura Integra Type R: Deric Massie, Mason, Ohio
1994 Toyota Supra Turbo: Mani Jayasinghe, Los Angeles, Calif.
2000 Toyota MR2: James Chen, Santa Fe Springs, Calif.
2002 Laminar SRX-7: Jerry Fink, Media, Penn.
2001 Subaru WRX: Scott Gladstone, Irvine, Calif.
1998 Nissan Skyline GT-R: Daniel Suh, Los Angeles, Calif.

that sucks. i luv sport compact car and not one entry got in from the mag. :mad:

All those cars got 0wned by the Viperhttp://www.240sxforums.com/forums/images/smilies/buttrock.gif

the supra should have won it was soooooo close.

actually the skyline only lost by 3 points. now that was close. the supra lost by around 10. which is also extremely close. now lets say if the skyline looked alittle better, it would've gotten around 5 more points in teh show car department of the test and it would've won top spot instead of number 2. this year sean morris is entering again. and this time is it a R34 all the other R33's in the last 2 contested had bugs in its ALTESSA ETS PRO (AWD) system where it would act as an open diff on hard right turns, and it hurt the handling numbers bad. now that he brought an R34 in it, that problem should not exist in that car. so we will see. maybe the skyline will be number 1 this year.

do you know who will be in te 2003 contest?

I wanted Hybridsol to enter into the contest because his car is pretty damn crazy and could have beat at least a few cars in that USCC... but I don't think he actually came aroudn to it.

I was kind of dissapointed by how many bugs there were with those cars. And especially that vr-4... what a god damn cheater.. just to get on the mag. I hope he's embarrassed.

and for the "ultimate" street car challenge title, I would think that those cars should be making a little more power. I don't remember exact figures, but the Viper wasn't making all that much HP... And that Type R was only running low 13's.. what the...

that is exactly why it didn't do too well. the top 5 cars from what i remembered was the viper, the skyline, the supra, the larimar, and the WRX.

I still want to get to work on my entrant for the USCC; a Crown Engineering Chevrolet Corvair.

You see, Crown Engineering put out this great kit in the seventies to make the rear-engined, flat six Corvair a mid-engined, small-block V8 Corvair. It uses a 5spd ZF transaxle instead of the GM transaxle and helps the handling of the car a great deal.

There's a 1965 Corvair Monza coupe sitting at the charity auto lot with a gutted interior, too. Build up an LT5, Lingenfelter or Callaway style, redo the suspension with some more modern components, install a full cage, paint the thing in Chapparal pearl white with candy blue pinstriping along the flanks. Trim the interior in tan suede. Chrome, polish, powdercoat, and anodize anything that isn't painted, and then watch the jaws drop when it burbles up to the line and pulls an 11.

Originally posted by Octagon
Build up an LT5, Lingenfelter or Callaway style

:spit:


I didnt think you had millions of dollars Octagon.. thats some expensive buildups for motors right there.

:biggrin2:

All things given, I thought the Skyline did quite well for nearly STOCK. Hell the others were pretty heftly modified from what I read. Considering coaxing over 600hp out one isn't much of a feat, only takes a little cash for the right combination and not only will you have a brutal street car but a very reliable one at that.

Originally posted by RedNeck383


:spit:


I didnt think you had millions of dollars Octagon.. thats some expensive buildups for motors right there.

:biggrin2:

Notice, I said "style". I'm not going to pay Reeves Callaway or John Lingenfelter to build the engine. I'll do it myself because I know everything. :thefinger :icesangel

Actually, this is a build-up I'm saving for when I hit the Powerball and have 50 million dollars to play with.

Originally posted by RazorGTR
All things given, I thought the Skyline did quite well for nearly STOCK. Hell the others were pretty heftly modified from what I read. Considering coaxing over 600hp out one isn't much of a feat, only takes a little cash for the right combination and not only will you have a brutal street car but a very reliable one at that.


Serious.. i'm suprise some of those cars are so stock... Like that Viper... that thing didn't really have all that much on there...

Originally posted by fatninja19
I wanted Hybridsol to enter into the contest because his car is pretty damn crazy and could have beat at least a few cars in that USCC... but I don't think he actually came aroudn to it.

he would have lost b/c of the show part (not to say CJ's car isint spotless, its just not showy), and b/c of that eclipses crazy ass quarter mile. Unless were talking about the CRX and then the road courses and handeling and shit would cause us to lose. I was amazed to see the Quartermile on that teg........he pulled like a 13 with all that hp. (can we say bad driver).:bloated:

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron

he would have lost b/c of the show part (not to say CJ's car isint spotless, its just not showy), and b/c of that eclipses crazy ass quarter mile. Unless were talking about the CRX and then the road courses and handeling and shit would cause us to lose. I was amazed to see the Quartermile on that teg........he pulled like a 13 with all that hp. (can we say bad driver).:bloated:


I understand that Hybrid's car isn't a prime example of a show car, but that 510 wasn't so showy either. He would have done real well with the driveability, real well with the efficiency, mediocre on the 1/4, pretty good on the road course, and that custom turbo set up on the b18 has gotta score a few points in the techy department...

And yea.. whats up with that Type R??? He did have a cool ass bypass valve dump thingy that exited the side of his bumper though!

i think the Skyline shoulda won, its a SKYLINE GTR33. who sees Skylines here in the states?? o well, i dunno how the Viper won, it looked like the Sky, Supra and Viper looked tied to ME.

agreed.


the skyline should have won?

they were looking tied?

really?

this wasn't an objective test.

there's points.
do the counting.

the viper is a true road racers car, and that guy can drive. (this viper specifically, not all vipers in general)

if you've never heard of him, you're missing out.

which cars were " so stock " ?

the viper was modded, the skyline wasn't really modded, the 3000gt wasn't really all that modded. the supra was hella modded...

the laminar wasn't all that modded, just a mostly stock rx7 drivetrain.

i'm missing what the argument is against the viper?

the fact taht if the skyline had scored alittle higher in something stupid like the show car portion and had gotten 5 more points. the skyline would've won. the reason why it didn't do too well on that portion was becuase it was too stock, lolz.

the skyline that competed wasn't motorex's(or whatever that guy's name was) original plan... the one they had planned to run in the USCC broke down right before the competition..

point taken...

however, keep in mind that for a stock skyline to do as good as it did is obviously impressive.

and it's understandable as to why it didn't score the points, b/c it WAS stock...

no one is disputing that...

but keep in mind that the viper was in no way your conventional stock viper.

it was thoughtfully modified, not just modded for the sake of mods.

smart mods as opposed to "ooh look at me" stuff...

i can appreciate that in any car, not just a viper

Yeah I remember hearing about that challenge. I believe that most cars must be lying about dyno numbers based off of their testing. Either that or there are some outrageously high dyno jets out there. I mean all these talks of 1000 rwhp supras, when they had a T76 turboed supra last year that didn't dyno anywhere near that HP. Heck now I wonder where my car would dyno :frown:

Originally posted by flylwsi
point taken...

but keep in mind that the viper was in no way your conventional stock viper.

it was thoughtfully modified, not just modded for the sake of mods.

smart mods as opposed to "ooh look at me" stuff...

i can appreciate that in any car, not just a viper

Very well put...

thanks...


in regards to 1000 hp supras, it depends on where they're claiming the hp at .

if you make 750+ whp, you'll easily be making almost 1k at the crank...

and there are definitely 1000hp supras out there.

go take your car to a dyno.

and keep in mind where the claims are.

if they're claiming 1000 whp, i'm impressed... 1000 crank hp isn't an easy feat either, but it's still damn impressive...

Here is an "unofficial" list someone posted on supraforums:

1992 Acura NSX (3.3 liter twin turbo)
2003 Nissan 350Z (turbo)
2003 Mitsubishi Evolution VIII (Pruven Performance)
2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (7.0 liter 427cid - 599bhp at crank)
2003 Ultima GTR ( 5.0 liter BMW V12 - 2100lbs)
1996 Geo Metro
1999 Nissan Skyline R34 GTR (being replaced by 1991 Nissan Skyline R32 GTR)
1991 Toyota MR2 Turbo (479 rwhp @ 23psi; dual ball-bearing GT30)
1993 Nissan 300ZX TT (twin TD06 20Gs)
1995 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin Turbo (twin HKS GT3037S)

the MR2 is definitely in. it is owned by Troy Truglio, an active club member. the last time he dynoed it, he made 479rwhp at 23psi. it's a pretty sick car...
www.trueleo.com

you guys are funny......slective memory i guess.....the viper was the least modded.....it was funny to that it was one of the weakest cars out there.....


the skyline had over 600hp....yeah very close to stock.....


i can't belive that you guys still think that a gts viper cannot handle unless modded:lol:

what?!?! fuckin sean morris took out another R34 to be replaced by a older inferior one? what da hell? unless they start putting R34's in, they not goin to win. crap.

what?!?! fuckin sean morris took out another R34 to be replaced by a older inferior one? what da hell? unless they start putting R34's in, they not goin to win. crap.


Whys it gotta be "fuckin sean morris" ? The first year - Blackbird got sold - and Justins car was actually a faster car.

The 2nd year - that was after I left Motorex.

This year - Nicks R32 is 608 rwhp (11.14@128) and setup for road racing. It may be older - but all purists know that the R32 is the car.

R34's are for posers....

http://rbmotoring.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=NicksR32

The only reason I got an R34 to drag race was because people "think" they are better. And part of getting sponsors is making the presentation.

Wait a minute.. you're sean morris?

who the fuck is Sean Morris, who gives a fuck about Type R/ VTEC/ hampster what the fuck ever, SKYLINE THIS, SKYLINE THAT.. If only the skyline was a little prettier...blah blah... :gay:

if that list is accurate, the metro should be fun to watch

Frozenblue WS6 - the Skyline GT-R is in a different class than most of the Japanese cars out there. Its not a Honda .

608 rear wheel horsepower out of 2.6 liters . Do the math - 233 hp per liter.

A 5.7 liter motor would have to make 1323 hp to the wheels to equal the horsepower to liter ratio of this GT-R.

I dont even own a GT-R , I just work on them. My personal cars are GMC Syclone , GMC Typhoon , and I just sold my Buick Grand National . So I am by no means a rice boy.

But you should learn to appreciate some vehicles for what they are and not just hang labels on them.


And yes I am Sean Morris that used to work at Motorex importing the Skyline GT-R. Now I am over at RB Motoring. Still playing with GT-R's.

Time for the education . The Skyline GT-R is the AWD , twin turbo , 2.6 liter. A Skyline is just a run of the mill car in Japan. Its like saying Camaro (V-6) , or Mustang (V-6) and meaning SS or Cobra R . Different cars.

Time for the education . The Skyline GT-R is the AWD , twin turbo , 2.6 liter. A Skyline is just a run of the mill car in Japan. Its like saying Camaro (V-6) , or Mustang (V-6) and meaning SS or Cobra R . Different cars.

Don't forget the V-Spec;)...

Anyhow, welcome to AF, and glad to have you here.

Just as an advice, comments about HP-per-liter aren't that viable here as actual, usable output is. Not that it shouldn't be respected. It's just that that argument has been overused by some you can classify as "ricers", and has lost its caché. You'll also find that a lot of people here know, respect and admire the Godzilla for what it is. As a matter of fact, my buddy, with his shop, is contemplating on bringing one in next spring, thru the same people that ships his JDM front-clips, motors and whole Honda cars.

you guys are funny......slective memory i guess.....the viper was the least modded.....it was funny to that it was one of the weakest cars out there.....


the skyline had over 600hp....yeah very close to stock.....


i can't belive that you guys still think that a gts viper cannot handle unless modded:lol:

You think the Viper was lightly modded? The thing was running Penske racing shocks. He probably spent more there than the guy with the 510 spent on his entire car. On shocks! The wheels were custom made one-offs. Almost the entire suspension had been replaced. I believe the thing had even been corner weighted, and the guy had tons of track time. And we haven't even got into the engine yet. It had the entire rotating assembly replaced, high comp pistons, etc...

You guys are also rulling out the driver factor here.

Paul Mumford is one hell of a driver.

Not only that, he's a professional race car driver and has been driving Vipers for years now.

He just won the last SCCA SPEED GT Champtionship race in his '03 CC.

If you read the article or watched the video, you'd see how he trashed everyone on the road course. SCC even stated that his experience was the main factor there.

As for the 2003 USCC, there is another Viper in there again. Paul could not attend, so he made sure his buddy with another Viper was in. I read about it on the VCA forum, and this guy is turboed or supercharged. One of the two at least - he's got forced induction going to say the least.

~A

and the guy had tons of track time

Not all of us ruled out the driver :wink:

You think the Viper was lightly modded? The thing was running Penske racing shocks. He probably spent more there than the guy with the 510 spent on his entire car. On shocks! The wheels were custom made one-offs. Almost the entire suspension had been replaced. I believe the thing had even been corner weighted, and the guy had tons of track time. And we haven't even got into the engine yet. It had the entire rotating assembly replaced, high comp pistons, etc...

That's hardly a fair statement either.

Do you know how much parts for a Viper cost?

They're not cheap. Everything is expensive for it, so it's no wonder they cost more than a 510!

~A

Stop trying to make excuses for the reason cars lost. You'll never get real and fare judgements inless you have stock cars and have the same driver driving each car who isn't biased towards one or the other. That includes getting judges who aren't biased either. Also, they can slip up once and a while too. So that screws up the result. So, it's all a pile of crap :) BUT GO VIPER !

I'm not making any excuses. I have nothing against Vipers, they rock.

I love Vipers too.

I have a feeling though, that this year the Vipers will not repeat just because the other competitors will be trying EXTREMELY harder to knock them off.

~A

I'm not really trying to direct it at you. It was mostly meant for the people who are like "well, if this car did better here and got more points, he could of won." Well oviously. Or the people who say "he won because it was heavly modded" So? The other cars could of modded themselves heavily as well.

And we haven't even got into the engine yet. It had the entire rotating assembly replaced, high comp pistons, etc...



From what I recall in my poor ass memory banks, the Viper didn't make THAT much power. I mean.. not that much power compared to what the Supra put out and stuff. Like it wasn't too much higher than stock.. But please do correct me if I'm wrong. I am quite glad that the Viper won though!

From what I recall in my poor ass memory banks, the Viper didn't make THAT much power. I mean.. not that much power compared to what the Supra put out and stuff. Like it wasn't too much higher than stock.. But please do correct me if I'm wrong. I am quite glad that the Viper won though!

Engine built by Caldwell Development (CDI) with forged crank, forged rods, 10.0:1 forged pistons, CDI camshaft, 1.7:1 roller rockers, CDI ported heads, Extrude Honed intake manifold, CDI headers, CDI baffled oil pan, Bondio Fabrication exhaust, Viper Shop tuned ECU

541 peak hp, 2nd place behind the Supra's 619 pull off the nitrous.

2nd place in power delivery behind the Supra, only because lack of high redline.

I have quite an extensive collection of SCC magazines I can fall back on :wink:

Anyone know which cars were chosen for this years challenge?

Here's some information about the Viper in the competition this year.

The guy's name is Paul Costellano.

His Viper is a 1996 GTS supercharged by Heffner's Performance. His last dyno sheet showed 887.7 RWHP and 864.5 RWTQ @ 14 PSI.

He doesn't have much track time with the new supercharger, so that could be a downfall.

His car is also lowered 2 inches.

Anyways, the challenge takes place in 6 days!!! :ylsuper:

Don't know of anyone else in the comptetition.

~A

Here's some information about the Viper in the competition this year.

The guy's name is Paul Costellano.

His Viper is a 1996 GTS supercharged by Heffner's Performance. His last dyno sheet showed 887.7 RWHP and 864.5 RWTQ @ 14 PSI.

He doesn't have much track time with the new supercharger, so that could be a downfall.

His car is also lowered 2 inches.

Anyways, the challenge takes place in 6 days!!! :ylsuper:

Don't know of anyone else in the comptetition.

~A

887.7 RWHP?!?!?!?!?! :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
I would be happy (temporarily) with a third of that power. :D

Anyways, I would love to see the results of the 2003 challenge. Or did someone post it already?

Yeah, well the event started yesterday and as far as I know finished today. I can't remember if it's two days, or three.

Either way, the only way you're going to find out the results before the December magazine is if you knew someone who watched.

I don't know anyone.

~A

Well, I found someone who WAS there the first day and will be there tomorrow.

Unofficial dyno results. Paulo's Viper pulled 850 RWHP, next was a Supra at 670 RWHP, and then the Skyline was third with 660 RWHP.

Today's events featured the road course, 1/4 mile, 0-60 times, 60-0 braking times, and gross display of horse power.

Roadcourse results: Viper dead last of the cars that finished. 1/4 mile, Viper reported to be in the 12's @ 150 m/ph. Skyline exploded motor on the road course. Parts thru the pan and scattered all over the track. Gross display of HP I think the Viper won. Paulo did a great job in the gross display of HP, completly shredded both rear tires. I think over all Viper will get 2nd or third place.

A supercharged 350z with 350 HP won overall I think. He had a pro driver for the road course, and Manny {Supra Manny} drove the 350Z in the gross display of horse power.

The judges were giving lots of brownie points to the Supra and Skyline in the show category. Probably giving them a bit of bias to even the competition out, or make up for last year since they got jacked. Either way, that's how it was.

Final results:

1st place - Supercharged 350z
2nd place - Ultima kit car
3rd place - one of the Supras

Viper won Highest HP and Gross display of HP. Viper was on Hoosiers. Paul Mumford could have won the road course crusing around in third gear. :D

So yeah, there. Viper lost this year.

I can bet Sport Compact Car will just LOVE to tear into Paulo. They're going to say "here's a guy who spent all that money, and got beat by cars costing over half as much. He wasted his money, blah blah blah blah blah....." *sigh*

~A

I'm not surprised that the Viper lost. I mean, yeah it has all that hp but you can't really handle that much hp in a RWD car in a short distance where you have to corner. Its not a race car! I do think its great that the 350Z won. Yeah Nissan!

Ultima GTR's rule...

From the Skyline's point-of-view:
http://www.nissanforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35485

"Viper reported to be in the 12's @ 150 m/ph."
You know you wasted your money when you add an extra 400 hp and can't even beat times that your car is supposed to run stock, then do even worse on the track.

But dude, he traps at 150 mph!!!

:eek2: Jesus Christ!

The Mazfix drag car runs 8's at 155mph
http://www.mazfix.com.au/images/ourcarpix2.jpg

That Viper must have NO traction! But I bet it's crazy fast from a roll...

Hmm, yes, well what do you people expect?

Seriously!

In the comptetion they only let you run ONE set of tires for the WHOLE event.

So, basically you run well at the drags and suck on the track, or the other way around.

You try getting ANY traction with over 850HP on AutoX Hoosiers!!!

Paolo never wasted a dime of his money. It's all been well spent, and you obviously don't know much about what you're saying to make a comment like that.

MANY factors contributed to the downfalls he had this year and some weren't completely his fault.

The 350Z had a great win and won it fairly, however the Paolo's Viper does not suck as much as it appears.

Trust me when I say this that it was well respected there - minus the cocky Supra owner.

~A

Geez, How many Supras? 2 or 3? Too many if you ask me.

I like the 350Z victory, and I like that an Ultima showed up (score one for British home-brews) but there really needs to be a bit more diversity in the group.

Henceforth, I shall contest the USCC as I have said before: 1969 Chevrolet Corvair with Crown conversion to MR (as opposed to RR) drivetrain using a Hewland transaxle and (in place of my proposed Lingenfelter LT-5) a Kistler aluminum mechanical fuel injection 410ci sprinter engine tuned for pump gas. Just like the one in my friend Gene Frankert's Jeep.

Besides, I can get a Kistler engine way cheaper.

Spy, I don'tthink anyone is saying the Viper sucked, only that it has too much HP to lay down effectively while cornering. Its a beast!