STi vs EVO-8

Whats your preference. I realize this is the Lancer forum , but which do you think is the overall better car. Me , personally , I'm not a big fan of the STi styling , and extreme familiarity with the 4G63 helps make my choice the EVO-8 :bigthumb:

evo because of looks and handling

the EJ25 from the STi is nice but sube put lots of limiters on it...its a few hundredths/sec's faste in the quarter then the EVO but overall the EVO has a faster top end..which depends on your taste...i do like the 4G63 which over here in the states,i think think its got more potential cuz more peopl know about it...but my opinion... i say EVO

evo casue of looks and handleing ..

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EVO and again EVO

In cyprus the new STI is 265bhp and sucks
i wouldnt buy
sorry

Originally posted by EVO_ARTIST
EVO and again EVO

In cyprus the new STI is 265bhp and sucks
i wouldnt buy
sorry

265? I thought it was going to have 300hp? :confused: You sure youre not talking about how much is going to the wheels?

Originally posted by DkShadow


265? I thought it was going to have 300hp? :confused: You sure youre not talking about how much is going to the wheels?

only the US version with the 2.5 engine makes that much.....the rest of the world gets a 2.0 engine

check for it
The dealer mentioned it and he is not speaking on the wheels
Check the UK model as well

I would take the Evo, it is the better performer and it is better looking. The only thing I don't like about it is the guage cluster.

I'll be the first to say STi. I prefer Subaru's engineering, and the Evo is already very popular/common around my area. Plus I would be content with modest modification to an already powerful machine.

As for styling I like the Evo 8 better than previous Evos, but I'd take the '99 Impreza's style over the '04 STi.

Both are great cars though.

I dont how many times Iv ever had to repeat this now, but every road test I have ever seen between an EVO and the same year STi puts both cars with .5 a second of each other, which is generaly about as accurate as you can get.
When it comes to performance both cars could not be more equal.

However they differ in other areas, the EVO is a much more aggresive car, in both ride and the way it handles, while the STi is a bit softer, and more is generaly regarded as being better suited to day to day comuting.

But at the end of the day the only thing seperating the two cars is an objective personal opinion.
And you have to have driven both before you can have an accurate one.


NOTE: Don't compare US models, as the US EVO 8 is dumbed down for the US market (infer what you like) and the US spec STi has yet to be released, but by the sound of it despite its cliamed extra .5l will still only have as much hp as the 2.0 the rest of the world gets.

Originally posted by Moppie
I dont how many times Iv ever had to repeat this now, but every road test I have ever seen between an EVO and the same year STi puts both cars with .5 a second of each other, which is generaly about as accurate as you can get.
When it comes to performance both cars could not be more equal.

However they differ in other areas, the EVO is a much more aggresive car, in both ride and the way it handles, while the STi is a bit softer, and more is generaly regarded as being better suited to day to day comuting.

But at the end of the day the only thing seperating the two cars is an objective personal opinion.
And you have to have driven both before you can have an accurate one.


NOTE: Don't compare US models, as the US EVO 8 is dumbed down for the US market (infer what you like) and the US spec STi has yet to be released, but by the sound of it despite its cliamed extra .5l will still only have as much hp as the 2.0 the rest of the world gets.


the us evo is albsolutelly amzing as handling goes.....of course i have not seen yet a direct comparo with the jdm spec evo so i'm not sure how different it is....

and the us sti is actually out ffor about a month now.....also its power its 300hp 300tq....i belive that is higher than the normal one. Isn't it?

Originally posted by Neutrino

and the us sti is actually out ffor about a month now.....also its power its 300hp 300tq....i belive that is higher than the normal one. Isn't it?


The US EVO 8 should handle as well as a real EVO 8, but it uses an older engine, possibly from either the 6 or 7, and a less sophisticated center diff and read diff, most likely also from the 6 or 7, its really a bit of a bastard child, and by the sound of it knocked up by Mitsi to catch as many sales as they could useing a below average product.

The new STi which has been out here for about 6mnths, and avliable in Japan since the end of last year makes at least 300hp, its quoted at "280hp" but it weighs more than the previous car and with only a small increase in torque is still measuably faster, either Subaru have created an inertialess drive or thier mis-quoting the hp.
The US spec STi also sounds like a bit of a bastard child built to capture sales based solely on media hype.

Originally posted by Moppie



The US EVO 8 should handle as well as a real EVO 8, but it uses an older engine, possibly from either the 6 or 7, and a less sophisticated center diff and read diff, most likely also from the 6 or 7, its really a bit of a bastard child, and by the sound of it knocked up by Mitsi to catch as many sales as they could useing a below average product.

The new STi which has been out here for about 6mnths, and avliable in Japan since the end of last year makes at least 300hp, its quoted at "280hp" but it weighs more than the previous car and with only a small increase in torque is still measuably faster, either Subaru have created an inertialess drive or thier mis-quoting the hp.
The US spec STi also sounds like a bit of a bastard child built to capture sales based solely on media hype.


true the us evo might be a bit weird compared to the jdm but its still the real thing.....SCC did a comparison between it and it managed to beat around a track the new S4 the M3 and it was beat only by the carerra 4s....

the slighty upgraded vishnu evo manged to take even the carrera though....

bottom line its pretty darn good....again maybe its not as good as the jdm but its still pretty sweet....


about the US sti the reviews are pretty good and aparently the powertrain is amazing....again i would be curious to see how it fares against the jdm one....

btw me an polygon saw an sti today in a cinema parking lot....its was sweet:bigthumb:

Originally posted by Neutrino

btw me an polygon saw an sti today in a cinema parking lot....its was sweet:bigthumb:


Which one of your wants the Lolipop? :biggrin2:

Is the EJ25 not an engine STi has tuned for production performance before? I mean none of the JDM WRX STi's have the EJ25 right?

Besides the bigger displacement, and superior drivetrain(what I've heard) I'm also impressed by subaru's flat engine. The H4 is supposed to lower the center of gravity in the front of the car for stability. Unless the 2.5 turns out to be a weaker engine than the evo's 4g63 when serious turbos are intalled and boosted then I see more potential out of the STi.

Originally posted by Moppie



Which one of your wants the Lolipop? :biggrin2:


poly wanna pop


Originally posted by Yasunori
Is the EJ25 not an engine STi has tuned for production performance before? I mean none of the JDM WRX STi's have the EJ25 right?

Besides the bigger displacement, and superior drivetrain(what I've heard) I'm also impressed by subaru's flat engine. The H4 is supposed to lower the center of gravity in the front of the car for stability. Unless the 2.5 turns out to be a weaker engine than the evo's 4g63 when serious turbos are intalled and boosted then I see more potential out of the Sti.

as far as straigh out power goes i think the sti has a bit more potential too

The 2.5 Liter is lifted straight out of the 250T and Brigton versions of the Legacy in the Japan (I dont know what the US models) and a Turbo version of the Forrester.
Its not a new engine though, its simply a bored and stroked EJ20, and while STi have have done some work on it for the Forrester, it was not a lot (but remember that STi is really only a brand used by Subaru).

The EJ20 has been shown to have quite limited potential compared to the 4G63, which has been shown to be stronger. Since the EJ25 is just another version of the EJ20 I see no reason why it would have any signifcantly greater level of potential. Although there are people in Australia trying to tune them in hope of getting creating a faster WRX drag car.

The US spec STi will have a more sophisticated drive train than the US EVO 8, however the real EVO 8 has a better drive train then any STi, and year to year the EVO always has been the more sophisicated car.
But its also always cost more, and has been made in much more limited numbers.

And the idea that a WRX will handle better becuase the flat engine gives a lower center of gravity is 99% marketing hype generated by Subaru.
Any differnce in weight distribution becomes totaly irrelevent you take into account the weight off the all the body work and interior that is above the hieght of the engine, then factor in the upper body weight of the driver and any passangers, as well as things like luggage in the boot.

i completelly agree with you moppie the 4g63 in the evo is arguably the best 4 banger to turbo.....completelly rock solid......


however the us sti has 0.5 L displacemt over it....that it quite a bit for a 4 banger


and about the low center of gravity crap i agree with you.....plus its proven that the evo is a better handling car than the sti

Originally posted by Moppie
Since the EJ25 is just another version of the EJ20 I see no reason why it would have any signifcantly greater level of potential.

well, correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that extra 500cc's make a significant difference? If the tuning potential is even near the 4g63 then the larger displacement should change some factors when both engines are pushed to the max.
In the world of imports we all like to say size doesn't matter or that the phrase "there's no replacement for displacement" is bogus, but when the engineering levels are on par the bigger size matters greatly does it not? sure a solid iron 2 valve push rod v8 won't make the same HP/litre as an all alluminum DOHC VVTiL I4 for example, but technologically the engines are lightyears apart.

I'm not arguing or disagreeing with you Moppie as much as I'm questioning in the pursuit of more knowledge.

ok guys
do u find sti's problem free like 4g63t?
just close the door of an sti and an evo and you will see the difference:)
no matter that sti is lighter
come on guys
An EVO is an EVO
HEH

Originally posted by Yasunori

I'm questioning in the pursuit of more knowledge.

Your a wise man, but unforunatly the knowledge required to understand the differnce is reaching beyond what I am capable of delivering, but Ill give it a shot.


There is more to an engine and how much hp it can make than just its capcity and how many bits of technology it uses.
Things like rod stroke ratio, cylinder head and port design, cooling efficancy, strength, etc all contribute.
For example I used to own a 2.5L I6 Triumph, the most hp anyone has ever gotten out of one those old engines was about 200hp, yet the 1.6l engine in my old Civic had the potential to make well over 400hp, and in its 1.8l form people have nudged the 1,000hp mark.

The design of the EJ20 simply dosnt allow it to make as much hp as the 4g63, no matter how much extra displacement you give it.
Infact there are many people who think that extra .5l of will harm its ablity to make lots of hp, as it may limit the engines ablity to rev, and weaken things like the block, crank and rods.
On a race drag car where you rebuild the engine at the end of the weekend this might not be a problem, and the extra .5l may offer advantages, but on a road car that needs to be used everyday it may be a liablity.


As an example of one major differnce that affects the potential out put of the EJ20 compared to the 4g63 take a look at the cylinder lay out and think about how it would effect exhaust and inlet manifold design.

The 4g63 allows the use of long or short manifolds depending on what will give the best performance, all 4 ports are placed close together in a line.
The EJ20 on the other hand has 2 ports on opposite sides of the block, which is lying flat, making for quite a long distance between them.
If your useing a single turbo this means that the minimum length for the inlet and exhauste manifolds has to be quite long, something that can inhibit maximum power production.

I see.

Do you know how Nissan's SR20DE and Toyota's 3S-GTE stack up to the 4G63 in terms of potential power. I know the SR20 is a proven bulletproof design, but I don't know much about Toyota's 2.0L.

BTW thanks for all the info Moppie.

Originally posted by Yasunori
Do you know how Nissan's SR20DE and Toyota's 3S-GTE stack up to the 4G63 in terms of potential power.

Were getting a bit OT, but this sort of relevant to something I was thinking about before.

The SR20 and 3sgte all have as much, if not more potential than the 4g63.
I know Iv seen 1,000+hp 3sgte's and Im sure the SR20 has gotten close, if not made it.
Honda's B series engines are in the same catagory Although uncommon for an engine to have that much potential, its not totaly unheard of.

There are chevy and Crysler V8s that make well over 5,000hp, and even way back at the end of the 80s BMW had a 4cly test engine making 1,000hp (used the block from the first E30 M3).
The RB series from Nissan have making well over 1,000hp for some years now.
The old Peugot 206 engine is ment to have a similar level of performance lurking with in it, and of course the old 4cyl Cosworth engines based on Ford blocks and useing Cosworth or Lotus heads have been making 3-400hp on Carbs since the 70s, and pushing the 1,000hp mark on Turbos since the 80s.

Every now and then a manufactor simple gets it right, and the enginers design an engine that is truely great, I have no idea how big the list is, and have thought of trying to build one, but as you can imagine the amount of people who would get upset because thier favourite engine wasn't included could get frustrating.

STi since I am into Subarus. I am just Driven by What's Inside, guys.

Evo is nice, but I hate Mitsus.:loser:

i bought my sti 2 week ago im too crazy for the speed i dyno it 255 whp n no cd player no radio, too bad i dont like it man i still stay wit my z n evo have every thing :mad: :mad:

ok guys
do u find sti's problem free like 4g63t?

You think the 4g63 is problem free? What rock have you been living under? :lol:

My opinion:

If I want a track car, I can build one for under 10 grand that'll tear both the EVO and the STi up. So obviously if I'm buying an EVO or STi, it's not to be some track car. The cars are closely matched, so close that in the real world its gonna come down to driver skill. Since we've already established that an EVO or STi isn't going to be an all out track car, I couldn't care less which one is 4 hundredths faster or whatever. I'm gonna go with the car I simply like more. Which one is that? I dunno :lol: some days I think EVO, some days I think STi. I think it depends on my mood :lol:

well now, it can be made into a track star car, its just to expensive from the start right now, when it has some years on it and the price go down there will be plenty of evo-8 and sti's on the track running 11's and 10's

they handle like gods compared to any car in its price range. and could hold its own against cars out of there price range.

everything else you said i agree on :)

How many of u have watched 2FAST2FURIOS?i think almost all of you (including my-self). Before 2Fast2furious the EVO was not all that it was STI+.
The table have turned STI was once the COOL KID ON THE BLOCK but its not like that anymore. Subaru made a mistake with those round lights. Whereas Mits but abit of EVO 6 in all there new EVO which is a looker and a wild performer.Anyway this is what i have to say once an impreza NOW an EVO.