GSR, or type R motor

Aright fellas heres the deal. I'm pretty tired of my little civic gettin revved on and beat by almost every car on the road. (with exception to geo metros)... anyway, I plan on a swap, and I wanna know if you GSR guys are happy with your engines, or should I spring for a type R engine. I plan on going all motor. A GSR motor would be cheaper, but I wanna know if it's worth the money... Help me out guys (and girls, if any).

Well..if ya wanna turbo the B18C..then get the GSR B18C1 motor..since it has lower compression so it is better for turbo..but if u want all motor mania...go for B18C4/5 Spec-R engine...which has higher compression which is what u need in a all motor..so it's up to u really..

Well, I'm just worried about the reliability of forcd induction. Thats why I wanna go all motor. And even if I did get a TC or SC, I wouldn't get alot of boost. maybe, 7-10 psi. Nothing like 30 or anything.

Don't people usually buy LS VTEC engine then Turbo it?

Anyways 30 psi are not suited for Street use. Have fun with lag!!

LS vtec is not as reliable!..and most people use it cause it's a damn good all motor engine..it has so much dman more torque then the B18C engine....and so..since it's mostly for a all motor car..

then adding turbo would be stupid..because

high-compression+turbo=boom


and well..if u want all mtoor then go for B18C4/5 Spec-R..since that engine is specially made for all motor 205hp stock if u get a B18C5 Spec-R..which is an higher compression engine.

but if u don't want to boost too much..then just get a B18C1/2/3

and get a T28 ball bearing etc turbo..and run at 0.7bar boost with ur internal settings...that way will be ok boost, enough to scare a few mustangs or 2 and definitely some non turbo cars..goodluck

go with the gsr, cause its the same engine as the type R with different ratios..ect and a little better gas mileage. If you're gonna keep the engine stock, go with the type R. But if you plan on swaping the engine parts later go with the GSR. If you plan on a turbo, get a GSR engine and put sleeves in the cylinders and change the valves and the valve springs before you drop it into your car. If you are getting the turbo for the blow off sound, its not a good idea at 7psi. It not gonna have enough pressure to make those cool noises. Oh here is another idea, you can always but a spoon or a mugen built b18. They are good NA engines. I'm not sure if they are street legal though, but there are always loop holes for those situations. good luck on your car

Technically, and JDM engine in a USDM car is illegal, yeah, I would go NA. I like the GSR motor. hmmm, now, how much money do I have????

Originally posted by M-type
go with the gsr, cause its the same engine as the type R with different ratios..ect and a little better gas mileage. If you're gonna keep the engine stock, go with the type R. But if you plan on swaping the engine parts later go with the GSR. If you plan on a turbo, get a GSR engine and put sleeves in the cylinders and change the valves and the valve springs before you drop it into your car. If you are getting the turbo for the blow off sound, its not a good idea at 7psi. It not gonna have enough pressure to make those cool noises. Oh here is another idea, you can always but a spoon or a mugen built b18. They are good NA engines. I'm not sure if they are street legal though, but there are always loop holes for those situations. good luck on your car

nah..man...there is heaps between a B18C1/2/3 and a B18C4/5 spec-R..

the ITR engine has bigger throttle body..port and polsihed intake manifold and cylinders..better headers..much better camshafts..higher compressions better pistons..ITR engine is so much mroe better then GSR..and that's why the JDM B18C5 Spec-R engine is liek 205hp..
there is a lot of things that a B18C1/2/3 have to do to make it to 205hp all motor..but of coz...the GSr motor has the bette potential to doing it up...but will cost more..

well, if I do get the engine, i'd be redoing it completely. so I'd be gettin new headers, cams, valves, etc. so as long as the block is essentially the same, it'd be ok.

I know a lot of people very, very happy with the LS/VTEC. I'd recommend this. B18B bottom end, and then any B series VTEC head makes lots of power. I haven't heard any reports of bad reliability from these motors.

As for a JDM engine being illegal in a USDM chassis, well shit, I guess I'm in trouble, because I've got a JDM hybrid. It's never caused me any worries.

Anyway, any of these choices are good. You would probably even be making a big step up in performance even with just a B18B swap.

Originally posted by F20C
Don't people usually buy LS VTEC engine then Turbo it?

Anyways 30 psi are not suited for Street use. Have fun with lag!!

Lag won't be too much of a problem with the right blow off valve

I have an integra LS and I want more power, and I also want to put a turbo on it. For the LS/Vtec conversion, what all is involved. Is it a LS block with gsr head. Please email me back at mab813@hotmail.com or leave a comment explaining. Please help me!!!!

I'm sure you could use the search feature to find lots of info.

O/T, but is that Erie as in Erie, PA?

if u gonna go all motor do CRVTEC.....get b20b and a b16a or GSR or if u got the money ITR head. ull have a butt load of torque. plus if u do some fuel tuning and other minor things u could beat a type r.

Originally posted by Swonder67
well, if I do get the engine, i'd be redoing it completely. so I'd be gettin new headers, cams, valves, etc. so as long as the block is essentially the same, it'd be ok.

I deliberated the same questions greatly before deciding to buy my GS-R. I went with the GS-R because (1) it's cheaper, (2) parts are a little easier to get than B18C5 parts (if i break something!), and (3) there's a bigger gain to be made when replacing the internals.

if you're doing the whole valve train, pistons, etc... see if you can get a crankshaft from a late B18C5. it's balanced differently (read: better) and will help greatly in your search for the 5-digit RPM's :)

In case you haven't seen it yet, check out www.hondata.com - they built an all-motor GS-R doing something silly like 258hp. There's a ton of potential with the B18C1 + buildup.

Only real pain in the butt about the GS-R is that you'll need to replace the throttle body with a much bigger one and port-match both the intake and exhaust to a larger diameter, to accomodate adequate airflow at higher RPMs. The Type-R's TB could probably go to 9000rpms without being touched.. just a thought.

Originally posted by 1990 CRVTEC Integ
if u gonna go all motor do CRVTEC.....get b20b and a b16a or GSR or if u got the money ITR head. ull have a butt load of torque. plus if u do some fuel tuning and other minor things u could beat a type r.

that is exactly what i was thinking as i was reaiding through this thread. go here and look at some of these

http://www.importreview.com/d_2.0.html

there is a crv bottom with a civic si head, and other engine mods putting 242 HP at tyhe wheels I guess, unless they are testing at the flywheel. but at importbuilders.com they sell thew crvtec and claim 225 @ the wheels and say they've seen more with sazme build. and being a 2 liter you got alot more torque than youll get out of a gsr or type r.

If you had to pay gfor the gsr then id say crvtec but since you get the gsr for 250 i would go that route

Originally posted by 93speed
O/T, but is that Erie as in Erie, PA?

O/T I am in Erie Pa.

Phil

i gotta clear up a few things first. high compression plus turbo doesn't not equal boom. bad tuning plus turbo equals boom.

the high compression you have, the more power you'll gain through the mods you have. since compression is a form of making power, adding a turbo would increase power since its dumping for air into your engine. if you lower the compression, all you're doing is taking away power. loosing compression equals loosing power. ever wonder why old engines loose their power? because their compression has gone down.

a good compression to boost on would be in the high 9's or low 10 compression. with higher compression, less boost will be needed to boost in order to gain power. when off turbo, the high compression creates the power from the low end, and once the quick spool up has began, the turbo will pick it up from there.

u can either run 13psi on an LS engine or 10psi on the GSR engine. either on you pick, they both have the same hp gain. i would choose the GSR simply because the compression provides power when the turbo cannot. also because the GS turbo will have to spin slower, making it less weary due to friction. besides..you're not cooking as much oil as the LS engine.

ask any professional drag racer at the track on what compression they run. lisa kubo is running her 9 second civic on 11point compression with 30psi. how else would she make power in order to run in the 9's?

a type R will definitely gain more power than a GSR given the same amount of boost. will i ever do it? not really. is it because of the compression? nope. then why? because i just love the engine and its an artwork i would like to keep in stock form:)

GSteg is correct, you can have a high compression engine and a turbo, I've seen it before, I'm not just talkin out of my ass :p

OK.. forget LS/vtec forget crvtec forget everything, go with type R. Once you go type R, you never go back. I saw 3, yes 3... ls/vtecs blow up on a roadcourse within 15 minutes. Someone mentioned something about having friends with ls/vtec and they had no complaints, well... they hav'nt pushed thier engines enough to see the limit of thier reliabilty, LS/vtec might be nice and safe for drag racing but overall, NOTHING can beat the type R. My racing team had a type r engine in a CRX, God bless type R! It's the best engine in the world. It had the PERFECT rpm , PERFECT tourqe, PERFECT power band... bottom line.... Honda is'nt stupid, they know what they were doin with the type R. If you fiqured out the LS/vtec by yourself, don't you think it has crossed Hondas mind already? The type R's enigne components all work in conjunction with each other whcih makes it such a perfect enigne, and if you're wondering why Mugen/Spoon-Sports are so expensive, it's because they're very carefully tuned the way Honda intended them to.

BTW, evn though I'm not into turbos, they're ARE reliable if you change your oil every 2,000 miles as oposed to 3,000 miles, something I heard form a DSM guy.

GSR is good, type R is>>>PERFECT :D

i do agree w/ u that the type r is an awesome motor...but i don't really think its the answer to all motor swaps. look at most of the nhra guys, they run w/ h22's (for the bigger displacement). the type r motor is jus a b18c1 block w/ a b16a head on it, higher compression pistons an a better intake manifold.

as for ls/vtec not being reliable, no, it isn't as safe as a stock motor BUT the guy w/ it races nearly every other day an has had it for a year now an it still runs strong. its all about the tuning an how you do it.

but i will side w/ u on one thing...for autocross, the type r motor is the best choice by far. but if ur talking straight-line turbo, there are MUCH better choices.

The type R motor is'nt just a B18c1 with an Si head on it, you're forgetting the type r cams, valvesprings, retainers, the whole head, the pistons, rods, crank, you mentioned manifold, header, bearings, pretty much everything.

er...but the stripped down motor itself is jus a b16a head (so no, its not a whole different head, it is the b16a) on a b18c1 block. that was my point. why do u think ppl do that an call it the "poor mans' type r?"

er...but the stripped down motor itself is jus a b16a head (so no, its not a whole different head, it is the b16a) on a b18c1 block. that was my point. why do u think ppl do that an call it the "poor mans' type r?"

as for ls/vtec not being reliable, no, it isn't as safe as a stock motor BUT the guy w/ it races nearly every other day an has had it for a year now an it still runs strong. its all about the tuning an how you do it.


man finally someone on my side it is all about how you build it and doing it right www.dh-racing.com (http://dh-racing.com)
and the type r head is a b16a krnx is right youre wrong........

oh yea anybody know where to find a carbon fiber interior/ panels for a 2000 teg?

Originally posted by integra818
The type R motor is'nt just a B18c1 with an Si head on it, you're forgetting the type r cams, valvesprings, retainers, the whole head, the pistons, rods, crank, you mentioned manifold, header, bearings, pretty much everything.

i jus re-read that. u aren't saying that it isn't a b16a, u were jus adding on to wut else it is. my fault for the mis-interp.

i have a gsr all motor and im thinking shouls i go turbo or should i go all motor ??
help!!!

opps i mean i got a gsr stock and should i go turbo or all motor??

Not trying to be a jerk, but you should always start your own thread when asking a question that isn't exactly related to the previous topic at hand.

But to respond to your question, there are far too many variables, and far more information needed to answer your question.

What is this car going to be used for? Daily driver, drag racing, street car, road racing?

How much power are you looking to make, realistically? You can't expect to make use of all the power, when you build a car with 600 whp, as a street or daily driver car.

Based on your goals, how much money are you really willing to invest? Both turbocharged and N/A have their high costs, when considering your power goals. Are you planning on rebuilding the engine either way?