ls1 swap in a 68 camaro?

anyone have a site i check out or personal info on this kind of swap? how much do you guys think that would cost if i had a professonal do the labor?

It'll cost you millions.

Honestly, it'll be wayyy to much.

First off, the LS1 is a totally different beast from any other GM V8. I blieve the Motor mounts are located in a different spot, thus meaning you'll need to do modifications to the chassis to accomodate this.

Second, You'll need to get ahold of alll the comuter wiring harnesses.. the Computer itself, the EFI components and its wiring harnesses. Then try to wire it into a over 30 year old car... which isnt too complicated but still a pain.

Third, I believe the system computers for the LS1 are designed to work with the 4L60E automatic transmission. This I'm not 100% sure on, but if thats the case you've gotta locate one of those too or put in a Manual. Again, I'm not sure if any old manual will match up to it, I think maybe the T-56 is all that'll work. And then, if you put in new tranny thats bigger or smaller you've got to have your driveshaft redone to fit in properly. < Mass headaces!

I dont know man, its going to be costly... with the cost of a used motor I'd say it'd be around $6000-$8000 to make it all work. If you're going the route of new everything the motor itself is $5900... so expect near $8000-$10000 If you have a shop do everything.


For no reason though man... Just build up a EFI motor for it for a 1/4 of the cost.

i dunno man i think it's alot cheaper than it used to be, i find complete ls1's with T-56's in good shape including computer and harness for around 3k and year one makes custom motor mount brakets for the ls1 conversion for about 150 bucks, with all that i guess the laber would be about 3 days worth of work so like 1500-2000 im guesstimating, a cutom carbon driveshaft would cost me about 350 bucks.

so i figured about 6k for the conversion, that's not bad for 340 hp 30mpg and a loss of 200 lbs

just alum heads/block would run me 4k at least (new) not including all the other junk carb/intake/ignition/waterpump/crank/pistions/rods etc.

but you have a good point, it would be a pain in the butt.

btw that's a kick ass motor you have on your sig, what's its specs?

I dont think i've ever heard of a custom carbon drive shaft costing anywhere near $350... seeing as the Aluminum Driveshaft for the 4th Gen F-Body is like $600...


But, If you can get it done for cheap and you know the prices of these things....why you askin on here? :lol: You seem to know what it should probably cost.


My motor? Aww its pretty basic... mostly stock...

Blue Printed and Balanced 388ci or 6.3liters
350 4 bolt main Bored .060" Over w/ 3.75" Stroker Crank
Comp Cam Extreme Energy Hyd. Cam .477"/480" Lift, 224*/230* @.050 268*/280* Adv. Dur., 110 L/C
Comp. Cams Roller Tip rocker arms
Dart Iron Eagle Heads 200cc Intake Runners 2.02"/1.60 Valves
Edelbrock RPM Airgap Intake Manifold
Holley 750 CFM Carb Double Pump Mechanical Secondaries
MSD Distributor and 6AL Ignition w/ 6000rpm Limitor
Weiand Aluminum Water Pump

Motor Dyno'd at:
423hp @ 5500 RPM
437ft-lbs of Tq @ 4500 RPM

See... stock... perfectly stock... :icesangel

Originally posted by Trancebot
i dunno man i think it's alot cheaper than it used to be, i find complete ls1's with T-56's in good shape including computer and harness for around 3k and year one makes custom motor mount brakets for the ls1 conversion for about 150 bucks, with all that i guess the laber would be about 3 days worth of work so like 1500-2000 im guesstimating, a cutom carbon driveshaft would cost me about 350 bucks.

so i figured about 6k for the conversion, that's not bad for 340 hp 30mpg and a loss of 200 lbs

just alum heads/block would run me 4k at least (new) not including all the other junk carb/intake/ignition/waterpump/crank/pistions/rods etc.

but you have a good point, it would be a pain in the butt.

btw that's a kick ass motor you have on your sig, what's its specs?

Where in the hell are you finding the LS1 w/ T56 for $3k???? http://www.sdpc2000.com/cart.asp?action=prod_detail&catid=120&pid=466 Has them for $6k, It would be cheaper if you went with the LT1s since theyll be easier to work with the 1st gens.

Originally posted by DkShadow


Where in the hell are you finding the LS1 w/ T56 for $3k???? http://www.sdpc2000.com/cart.asp?action=prod_detail&catid=120&pid=466 Has them for $6k, It would be cheaper if you went with the LT1s since theyll be easier to work with the 1st gens.


I think he's talkin about using used motors/trannys from wrecked Vettes/F-Bodies.

Theres several outfits that specialize in that sorta thing. I'll have to dig around for the link to this one place in I believe Texas that does just that... salvages LT1/LS1s.

Originally posted by RedNeck383
I dont think i've ever heard of a custom carbon drive shaft costing anywhere near $350... seeing as the Aluminum Driveshaft for the 4th Gen F-Body is like $600...


But, If you can get it done for cheap and you know the prices of these things....why you askin on here? :lol: You seem to know what it should probably cost.


My motor? Aww its pretty basic... mostly stock...

Blue Printed and Balanced 388ci or 6.3liters
350 4 bolt main Bored .060" Over w/ 3.75" Stroker Crank
Comp Cam Extreme Energy Hyd. Cam .477"/480" Lift, 224*/230* @.050 268*/280* Adv. Dur., 110 L/C
Comp. Cams Roller Tip rocker arms
Dart Iron Eagle Heads 200cc Intake Runners 2.02"/1.60 Valves
Edelbrock RPM Airgap Intake Manifold
Holley 750 CFM Carb Double Pump Mechanical Secondaries
MSD Distributor and 6AL Ignition w/ 6000rpm Limitor
Weiand Aluminum Water Pump

Motor Dyno'd at:
423hp @ 5500 RPM
437ft-lbs of Tq @ 4500 RPM

See... stock... perfectly stock... :icesangel


i posted here about because i was wondering if anyone has had any experiance in the swap, and maybe somone would know how much the labor would cost.

That's a nice block but why the roller tips? most of the friction is as the base of the rockers not the tip, go for full roller rocker its much better.

Originally posted by DkShadow


Where in the hell are you finding the LS1 w/ T56 for $3k???? http://www.sdpc2000.com/cart.asp?action=prod_detail&catid=120&pid=466 Has them for $6k, It would be cheaper if you went with the LT1s since theyll be easier to work with the 1st gens.


ebay.com has them for around 3k all day long, junk yards pull them from wreaked vettes or f-bodys and sell the whole package for a decent price.

Originally posted by Trancebot


That's a nice block but why the roller tips? most of the friction is as the base of the rockers not the tip, go for full roller rocker its much better.


Why pay the money if i wont get full use of them? I'll need to upgrade to a rollercam setup to take full advantage of the 'true' roller rockers.

These do the job just fine... for now. :)

Originally posted by RedNeck383



Why pay the money if i wont get full use of them? I'll need to upgrade to a rollercam setup to take full advantage of the 'true' roller rockers.

These do the job just fine... for now. :)

roller rockers work just the same as with or without a roller cam from what i understand.

but yeah they will do fine for sure

anyone have a site i check out or personal info on this kind of swap? how much do you guys think that would cost if i had a professonal do the labor?

I am doing this swap right now. I ordered my engine [98 LS1] from Cleveland pick-a-part it came with the wiring harness mod, breather box, and T56 tranny. I am placing it in my 67 Camaro SS. I paid $2800 for the engine and tranny combined with 30,000 miles on it. The harness modification process cost $275, ($350 with fuel pump and shipping!) I have a bunch of phone numbers for the parts and products needed for the swap. So far it hasnt been that bad. Just keep an open mind and expect speed bumps in your path. At the end I can bet it is worth it.

awsome, is there anyway you can post some numbers or websites? i might be doing this soon if its not to costly

awsome, is there anyway you can post some numbers or websites? i might be doing this soon if its not to costly


Cleveland Pick-a-part is....866-236-5031 ask for Mike Sr. or Jr. the wiring mod place is called...LT1 wiring ran by a fuy name Dana...his number is...814-323-3021, tell them Jowell Bullard Sent you. They are great folks. If you need anything else email me at [email protected] a bunch easier...thanks

Year One did this in a 69' Camaro.

They called it the "Inovator".
If you go to www.yearone.com the one right there on the first page is it.
It looks like a pace car with the hugger stripes on a white car, with an attempt at a late model SS hood.

You can order most of the parts from them, or they can tell you where to source the parts that they don't make.

They used the automatic though.

I just bought a 68 camaro this weekend and was thinking about doing this very same thing...

But since I just bought the car, I don't really have the money for this just yet, but I am definitely thinking about it....

RedNeck is right... to an extent. While it's not cheap, and not easy... it's not as hard, or as expensive as he thinks it is. Send me a PM and I'll hook you up with some sources for info on it as well as a bit of advice. Or you can AIM or ICQ me. The LS1 is a very different beast from the other GM V8s, but the rewards are very good IMO.


Garrett

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www.pro-touring.com, go there, ask them and they'll give you awesome answers. I'm looking to do a similar swap into my 69 camaro and i found that site and havn't had to look anywhere else for help. Very smart people that who have been through this already so you can learn from their mistakes.

Good luck with the build,
William

anyone have a site i check out or personal info on this kind of swap? how much do you guys think that would cost if i had a professonal do the labor?

there is some 67-69 Camaro LS1 swaps on www.pro-touring.com like willian said.

I am actually gonna do this swap on my 1971 Nova.

here is a complete swap !! http://www.brphotrods.com/1969_NOV8TR_update/69camaro.html