Accord VS Civic

Ok, on the 4th my grandfather and i began arguing over which was the over all better car. I spent my afternoon with my grandfather with our hoods open comparing, contrasting, and testing to see which is the better vehicle. Let me know what u guys think, i want some pros and cons to back up my argument.

I'm curious as to which car you were arguing for? My two cents: (crosses fingers and hopes thread doesn't turn into a flame fest) Obviously, I'm partial to the Accord (since I own one :biggrin: ) Civic def has the weight advantage, but the Accord has more in the comfort/luxury department (since that was its original intent) Engine wise, the Civic EX IS a DOHC VTEC, while the Accord EX is an SOHC VTEC, however, the Accord's engines pack a few more ponies, and are bigger, (and we all know displacement is king :bigthumb: ) That also, in my opinion, lends a much nicer sound on the Accord's behalf when exhaust work is done (generally much deeper then the Civic, which is good-unless, of course, you like the fart can sound) To cut this short, I go with the Accord whole heartedly- not just because it's what I own, but because, in my opinion, it just looks better as well. And there are more bragging rights involved, since EVERYBODY and their uncle's mother hooks up civic's (just compare the number of thread postings in the civic forum to that of the accord) far less people hook up Accords, making it that much more exclusive.

i own a civic and i like the accord better ... my mom has a 91 ex 4 door and it feels more solidly built, its faster, and more comfortable.

Overall I would pick the Accord

The civic is a better base to start building than the accords. CRX or S2K would be best.

V6 6-speed Accords:bigthumb: now they just need to turn the engine & put the power to the back!

Plus, everybody has a damn Civic, (and Integra's, damn it!). Tuned Accords stand out in a crowd much better. And I agree as far as the "solidly built" argument. They just feel like a better made car.

thanks guys, i was for the accord, my grandfather is just jealous because he couldn't afford the accord when he bought his car. It's all cool though as long as it's honda.

im all for accords but the weight thing is really getting to me. my friend with a 92 civic hatch weighs in at like 2200 lbs, im chilling at about 3000, and then my friend with a 3000GT is 3200 lbs - but his base engine is a smooth 220hp V6. accords are definitely more solidly built...thats why we weigh so much :-/ but the new coupes with the 240 hp i-VTEC V6 and 6 speed manual tranny...oohh yea. hook it up. :bigthumb:

I'm thinking about pulling out the back seats and changeing the front seats to drops some weight, but the problem is it's my daily driver. How can i cut out some weight.

the weight that will matter the most is also the most expensive: rims, tires, rotors, calipers...accessory pulleys, crankshaft pulley... that wont edge off much of your actual weight, but itll definitely boost your acceleration so you'll feel lighter. as for actually dropping weight...seats are a start but they dont really weigh much to begin with :/ neither do interior panels. you can ditch the spare tire and jack, thats a few lbs...

One thing that never ceases to amaze me when driving my car, is that, despite the weight, my Accord STILL hugs the road effortlessly- whether it's weaving around annoying truckers on the highway (you know the ones, they see you rolling up on them, and they try to make a game out of boxing you in) or hitting those unexpected sharp-turning offramps at 50 mph, I never seem to lose footing (the anti-sway bars that come in the EX probably help me a great deal) As far as losing weight, I understand there are people who have the sound dampening material removed in places, since supposedly that is one of the major weight contributors for the Accord over the Civic (there's that luxury thing I mentioned earlier) I don't think I would have it removed, though- it keeps the scream of the intake at WOT to a nice growl, and the sound of the exhaust dulled to a comfortable resonation.

Originally posted by tenguzero
I'm curious as to which car you were arguing for? My two cents: (crosses fingers and hopes thread doesn't turn into a flame fest) Obviously, I'm partial to the Accord (since I own one :biggrin: ) Civic def has the weight advantage, but the Accord has more in the comfort/luxury department (since that was its original intent) Engine wise, the Civic EX IS a DOHC VTEC, while the Accord EX is an SOHC VTEC, however, the Accord's engines pack a few more ponies, and are bigger, (and we all know displacement is king :bigthumb: ) That also, in my opinion, lends a much nicer sound on the Accord's behalf when exhaust work is done (generally much deeper then the Civic, which is good-unless, of course, you like the fart can sound) To cut this short, I go with the Accord whole heartedly- not just because it's what I own, but because, in my opinion, it just looks better as well. And there are more bragging rights involved, since EVERYBODY and their uncle's mother hooks up civic's (just compare the number of thread postings in the civic forum to that of the accord) far less people hook up Accords, making it that much more exclusive.

I don't know about the other gens, but in 1994-1997 the Accord EX is DOCH too. The only thing that sucks about it is that it only packs 145 hp instead of 135 hp. This makes the Accord EX just as slow as the Accord LX/DX because of the added features they put on...sunroof,power crap,and A/C.

Handling goes to the Accords. The civics take the cake for being much lighter. Civic Si's are nice, but the power is in the accords. I mean some of the new civics are only around 105 ponies. Civics get better gas mileage. Accords are more spacious. Civics look kind of cheap where as the accord is still cheap, but it looks like a poor mans BMW. All in all I'd trade my Accord for two beater Caprice Classics because they are funny as shit. 175 hp V8 trying to push around 4200lbs.:lol:

175hp? In a V8? God help the driver of one of those things when they're trying to "talk up" their ride:biggrin: "Yeah, I'm runnin a V8 under the hood, that baby pumps out 175 ponies man!!"" HAHA!!!

http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/garage/3713/5thgenspecs.html

You can research the specs in more detail, unfortunately, even the 5th gen Accord's are SOHC- Honda designed them like that so they would provide a smoother ride (not as noticeable when the VTEC kicks in) This means, since there's only one cam, VTEC only operates on the intake valve, not both like in the Civic EX's DOHC VTEC.

I agree wholeheartedly with your point about Honda's lack of hp on the F22b engine- the thing has HUGE potential, I guess the under-utilization is just something to deal with (or get an H22 :biggrin: ) I read somewhere once, and I'm roughly quoting the person: "Honda must have figured that 145 horses is more than adequate for grocery store runs" But that's what makes owning an Accord more exclusive- when you DO start to work 'em over, you find alot of untapped potential.

the Civic EX IS a DOHC VTEC, while the Accord EX is an SOHC VTEC

Nope the civic ex is SOHC VTEC, personally i like the civic better, because of course i own one :smile: , but i do like the accords there great sleeper cars. And not many people own em, for auto xing or dragging, most people have em just for simple DD's, but when i do see one for race its damn nice even though they are few and far between around here.

Damn I guess the Accords are SOHC...I just made the assumption that it was DOHC because the EX has a different valve cover than the LX/DX I guess because it's Multi port or whatever. My bad.

Nope the civic ex is SOHC VTEC, personally i like the civic better, because of course i own one , but i do like the accords there great sleeper cars. And not many people own em, for auto xing or dragging, most people have em just for simple DD's, but when i do see one for race its damn nice even though they are few and far between around here.

Alrighty, my turn to chime in... Damn, I guess the Civics are SOHC :biggrin: Everyone's learning a little something here today!! HAHA!!. If I'm not mistaken, the SiR and TypeR Civics are DOHC, correct?

Originally posted by tenguzero


Alrighty, my turn to chime in... Damn, I guess the Civics are SOHC :biggrin: Everyone's learning a little something here today!! HAHA!!. If I'm not mistaken, the SiR and TypeR Civics are DOHC, correct?

The SiR DOHC, not 100% sure on the TypeR, but i would hope its DOHC

I have owned both in my time... Civics and Accords...

All in all the Accords are more comfortable of a car then Civics. Must remember that the civic is marketted as an economy car. Accord more as a family car... and they are both designed as such.
As far as speed, all Accords I can think of are SOHC... some with VTEC some without. Same goes for Civic's except for the 99-00 Si (Canadian SiR) which has the DOHC B16A (yes people that has VTEC).
Both cars have possibilities of being fast... Civic more so then the Accord though since there are many many more aftermarket parts for them then any other car, and more has been done and looked into as far as performance goes compaired to the accord. (for instance, look up engine swaps for Civic's and you'll come up with dozens of different links... look up engine swaps for accords, and you can find next to nothing)
As far as which is better... I'm throwing my hands up on that one... I wouldn't be able to decide.

Originally posted by knorsk
Damn I guess the Accords are SOHC...I just made the assumption that it was DOHC because the EX has a different valve cover than the LX/DX I guess because it's Multi port or whatever. My bad.

And here I thought I had a fast car because it was an EX...:biggrin2: :cwm27: :cwm27:

Well, all other points aside (which all had merit) I must say, being a guy that stands about 6'5" my choice between my Accord or a Civic Si of the same year (2000) was made pretty simple once I got in. Don't get me wrong, the Civic is no Geo Metro inside, but those few extra inches of legroom make a BIG difference when you're trying to shift!:biggrin:

so over all the accord wins, just it needs to be a little lighter, until u compare a 94-97 accord against the Si's. thanks guys

im a little biased, but i like the 4th gen accords better than any civic, and they are also the lightest. if youre looking at both being stock, the civic will be faster, but i also care about overall comfort. and as mentioned the accord is a family oriented car, making it a more enjoyable and spacious ride. im more into the fast car rather than the quick car.

and of course, the potential of an accord. how about dropping in a built h22, good hp and killer torque. i prefer a little of everything. if i wanted just a quick car, id drop a b18 in a stripped hatch. but my car's gonna be fast enough for me, and ill still have my a/c:biggrin:

Correct me if I'm wrong... so your saying a 2.2L in an Accord is slower than a 1.6L in a civic ?? :confused:

heathershonda, that depends on a lot of things. and personally i think the EX accords (5th gen) are pretty quick, even if they are SOHC. plus that makes them better for FI i think (based on the generic argument that less moving parts = less likely to break). stock for stock, my 5th gen EX accord beat a 2000 civic EX, both 5 speeds. and my car had at least 2x the miles :biggrin:

Originally posted by heathershonda
Correct me if I'm wrong... so your saying a 2.2L in an Accord is slower than a 1.6L in a civic ?? :confused:
well under certain circumstances, yes. right now my f22 w/ a/t tranny got stomped by my friends hatch with a completely stock d15.

Originally posted by strodda

well under certain circumstances, yes. right now my f22 w/ a/t tranny got stomped by my friends hatch with a completely stock d15.
:iceslolan
that sux man

Originally posted by neunan
stock for stock, my 5th gen EX accord beat a 2000 civic EX, both 5 speeds

I didn't think the 5th gen EX came with 5spd. deezam:confused: I had a 5G LX 5spd and would be mad that I couldn't get the VTEC and keep my manny tranny. That car was quick tho. Alot quicker than I expected it to be.

the 4 cylinder coupes came with the VTEC 5 speed :biggrin: and d15s are what, 102 hp? yea, that does suck man. stupid weight problem...

well under certain circumstances, yes. right now my f22 w/ a/t tranny got stomped by my friends hatch with a completely stock d15.

Strodda, what's going on? :eek2:

Yes, huge aftermarket out there for the "B" plants civs/integs. A lot of kids out there who need to be separated from their $. Research, Bonneville testing, new "break-throughs", yadda, yadda, yadda...

As we get older we all tend to slow down, get married, want to live longer so we're a little more careful. For men that stops and we go through our mid-life crisis around 40-55. It is sad, I know. Anyway, until then we're more cautious and less impetuous as a whole with our money. Demographically speaking, the cautious drivers are in the majority when it comes to buying Accords, Legends, TLs, CLs, etc...If we're going to be careful, let's enjoy the ride so go a little more comfortably down the road.

I know all of you know all this, I'm just stating it for those who may not or have forgotten.

Anyway, most younger people are going to be focused on speed, being cooler than the next civ, not looking bad by being spanked, and so-on-and-so forth. Hence, he/she'll be most likely parted from their money more impetuously (because for some unknown reason there's always a big hurry) than the typical Accord owner. Develop the parts for the civs, to give to the reviewers and pro draggers to receive free parts and deals, to appeal to the young hopeful to buy more parts, to develop more parts, to give to ....okay, the cycle has been pointed out.

All that to say, go with your hunch, find the garages to do similar work on your engines, they'll help you in developing parts and mods for the F22 SOHC, and you know what, YOU can start filling that niche and there'll be a swell of kiddos hitting the streets for used accords and the big guys will want in on some of that action, so they'll start the cycle all over again with the F22s in mind and there'll be more frequent transplants, etc...

I'm not kidding myself. It just takes someone or a small few (could be everyone here) to start that spark and the fire begins.

I'll try my hand at it. Couldn't hurt. The worst that could happen is I'll have put in a sizeable amount of money and time in developing a rare superplant F22.

Okay. someone pinch me.

You know, a great deal of work has already been done. Lots of mods out there for other Hondas could possibly work it's just doing the homework and then jumping into the pool. The better Bosch fuel pumps that help the civs with their boost will also work for the Accords. Higher flowing injectors, adjustable fuel pressure regulators, and so on. It's just attention. The more attention that's focused on Accords the more we'll start to see an increase in aftermarket mods for them.

It's just common sense.

So how would you guys rate a 92 Accord EX ? Personaly I love my car...if I had to buy another one it would be a 95-96 EX.

i personally like the 4th gens the best. the 5th gens are 2nd in line and all the others just got worse with time. i think the boxier look of the past is awsome. everything coming out these days are just a bunch of wimpy beetle "bubble" cars.

92 is great car except for the rust. Stay under 1998 & you'll be good.

I feel the accord is a more dignified car. A class of it's own, i mean the civic is great but it's compared to dodge neons and cavaliers. Come on, the accord is the next level.

Originally posted by Hondafan96
I feel the accord is a more dignified car. A class of it's own, i mean the civic is great but it's compared to dodge neons and cavaliers. Come on, the accord is the next level.
damn right, accords are great. on another note, i saw the new tsx, the supposed euro accord or something like that. anyways, its ugly. looks like a bigger rsx, which i never liked either. they shoulda stayed with the old integra style.

rsx= 2-dr integra
tsx= 4-dr integra

TSX = Mazda6

http://www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2004/Acura/100278145/022587-E.jpg
http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/gallery/c441740a.jpg

damn, they do look the same. no wonder i never liked the mazda6

Yeah they do. If you take a head on shot of the two, you can't tell the difference except for the emblems. I'm suprised Mazda isn't suing the hell out of Honda for that little stunt. Or the other way around, whoever was first.

The Mazda looks hell of a lot better than the TSX, in person.

Originally posted by jackasssi
92 is great car except for the rust. Stay under 1998 & you'll be good.

I had only on rust spot, which was on the passenger side by the back wheel. Had that taken care of...car is now rust free. Well what is visable :silly:

the tsx and euro accord are susposed to have an all wheel drive option coming up. I think honda is jumping on to the sports sedan band wagon chasing mitsibishi and subaru. It's about time we see a honda rally car, i mean dodge has a rally edition neon. Honda is better than that, it's time to one up.

All wheel drive Accord, huh? Oh man, that would be sweet. But to REALLY compete with the other import companies for the "rally" market, a factory turbo charger might be needed... *Jeff drools at the thought of a stock turbo charged Accord* Oh man, that would be sweet. I know, I know, Honda prides themselves on their NA engine mechanics, and why not? Few engines sound better than a Honda at WOT. But I would think there would need to be a little something else assisting the engine (beyond VTEC), especially with an AWD setup.

Few engines sound better than a Honda at WOT. :confused:

I think the opposite.

Really? I love the sound of my engine (hopefully not just because I happen to own a Honda- stay away evil bias!!) But then again, maybe I'm a weird guy. I also love the sound of a Wankel Rotary, but I know many people who loathe the high pitched whine. To each his own, I guess. I'm curious as to what tops your list?

personally.. i like the accord. theres nothing wrong with civics you just need to mod them up to get them to move.. i got an 88 accord lxi my friend got a 97 civic lx. D16 its the 1.6 single cam 8 valve (no vtec) i got the A20 simple 2.0 single cam (12 valve) hes got 106 hp i got 122. hes got about 2500 lbs to his car i got about 2650. (his car is lighter but he himself is 100 lbs heavier then me) both cars are stock. on the street he won the reaction time but i gradually got past him around 40 mph i beat him up to 70 when i let off the pedal cuz we were on a street with lots of cops speed limit at 45. then he said he blew past me cuz hes got more power.. but hes stupid he thinks his car is so fast. but ay you know what i got nothing against civics.. but everyone think they are so great when they cant beat a car 2.5 times its age. last year it was 3 times its age. civics are great like i said earlier but you need to mod them you cant stick with the stock usdm engine. oh and he thought he could beat my prelude too... HAHAHAHAHAHA..

Originally posted by tenguzero
Really? I love the sound of my engine (hopefully not just because I happen to own a Honda- stay away evil bias!!) But then again, maybe I'm a weird guy. I also love the sound of a Wankel Rotary, but I know many people who loathe the high pitched whine. To each his own, I guess. I'm curious as to what tops your list?

I own a honda as well. What tops my list? 7,000HP Top Fuel engine or a Ferrari F1 engine screaming @ 21,000RPM's. For regular cars, BMW sounds bad ass. The V12's with no exhaust:eek: we used to rev em all the time during exhaust replacement. nothing like the growl from an M3. WRX sounds pretty cool. Northstar sound sweet. There are many I can think of that sound better, to me atleast.

Hondas do sound OK but just not at the top of my list. My car is pretty built & I dont think its sounds good. The V6 sounds tons better than the 4-bangers.

That's cool. I don't thik I've ever heard a v6 Accord revving high (probably because most of the ones I see are owned by older people.) I can definately say I've never heard heard a v12 revving with no exhaust:eek7: As far as something like an F1- naturally THAT type of car has a killer engine, but I guess I was sort of only considering the machines I could actually afford in my lifetime, which at the current point, puts my $7,000 Accord somewhere at the top! :iceslolan

well i have had good experiences with accords, and in two days from now i should be getting my new car, a 2003 civic ex coupe. along with strodda, i used to think my first accord ('86 lx-i, now has 200,689 miles with transmission problems) was the best style, but then i opened my eyes and realized it was just because i had one. when i got my '95 accord ex 4door and drove it for about a week i realized how much better it was than my '86 no matter how much i wanted to deny it. that car is now full show and with the '86 gone bad it was time to get a new car. I test drove a new accord ex v6 (which i thought was ugly when it first came out, but i like them more every time i see them) that car was easily twice as nice as my '95 which is twice as nice as the '86, and fast like no accord or civic i have ever driven. i ended up going with the civic because of the price and the 1.9% financing, but as for driving about 150,000 in my two accords, they are my favorite right now.

as for the tsx, in my opinion one of the greatest four door cars of all time. super fast, stylish, and i have read that it drives and handles as well if not better than the rsx. if i am not mistaken they are designed after the accord euro-R cars which have been around for a lot longer than the mazda 6. as for the all wheel drive accords, they have been available in europe or asia for a long time, we just don't get them here in the states.

just my 2 cents

t.c.

I respect your opinion on the matter, but I have to disagree. The TSX is mediocre in the styling department. The lines they cut on that body seem oddly out of place and make the car look smallish. Like a guy wearing pants and shirt one size too small.:bloated: As for "super fast" :sly: I dunno about that either. I can't remember the exact specs, but from what I remember (I haven't done my homework lately. Stupid job) the TSX is somewhere in the neighborhood of 200hp with a body a little lighter than the American Accords. I'm thinking maybe even 220hp. With those specs, yes, the TSX is a quick performer with excelent handling, but not a superstar. Dont get me wrong. I think the TSX is a good all around vehicle, but it isn't living up to the high standards that I think the Acura line should be held to here in the good ol US of A:bigthumb: It seems more like it belongs under the Honda nameplate.

Yes, I understand that it is the Euroo Accord etc, but that's not the point. The CL/TL are based on the accord also, but the bar was raised when that odd looking "A" was slapped on the hood and trunk. *No offense Ac-drivers, but that A does look a lil off*

My uncle sells Hondas in California, so he gets to test drive 'em too. He loves the new Accords, saying there's a lot of after-market type parts on them. He owns an s2000 though, supercharged now. You guys were talking about sound before, ever hear one of those at 9000? Supercharged? Sounds awesome...I'd love to swap that kind of engine in my car. They are also F-series engines I believe.

just a fyi, the TSX has about the same MAX hp and torque as the RSX-S, but it reaches them sooner due to the larger bore of the engine. and styling...im sure anybody can argue for or against it, just a matter of opinion. i've also read that it handles quite well, but reviewers say its more similar to a 3 series bmw than an M3. aka, more luxo, less sport. but personally i wouldnt mind having one

as for the tsx, in my opinion one of the greatest four door cars of all time. super fast, stylish,

How about the BMW M5???? Wait til the new model hits the USA. 5.5L V10 500HP 9,000RPM redline DOHC 40 valves, not to mention the bad ass suspension. The 4dr M3's!!! The TSX by far is not one the greatest 4drs of all time. My opinion. Yea i know you could buy 3 TSX's with the amount spent on 1 BMW M5, but who cares? If you ever drove one you wont think that way.

:iagree:

M5 :boink: