4X lancia fulvia scratchbuild (Zagato... Zero..)

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gionc

06-30-2017, 12:48 PM

Hi there! After years away spent building WWI planes and other stuff, I back to AF with a new project.
To be honest scratchbuilt is a huge word, I'm 3D designing and printing my ideas, so no manual jobs involved here.

So far I'll leave space to images: I designed the fulvia's heart, the famous V4. My intention is to do the Fulvia HF (Monte 72 winner), the '69 daytona Zagato (2° overall, first in class), eventually the Stratos Zero that mount the same powerplant, and a generic Gr4 Zagato

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gionc

06-30-2017, 12:52 PM

Like you'll see from the cover image the Zagato daytona and Gr4 cars are 100% designed, at least I'll add fewdetails, the Zero is at a good point and the HF is at a draft-early stage. All the models share same chassis, engine-mechs and most of interiors.

lt me start from the heart, the V4 engine

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gionc

06-30-2017, 01:43 PM

Let's go with the engine mount: same engine, mounts and sunspensions as wellas the chassis are shared by alle the 4 (+variants) models

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and engine and gearbox mounted on the sub-frame

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gionc

06-30-2017, 01:49 PM

So far we have something printed. This is frosted extreme detail by Shapeways: not enough for my tastes despite images are 4-500% zoomed, better at naked eyes. BTW I'll print few details more at a better resolution

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gionc

06-30-2017, 01:50 PM

And as well the following are all the front parts

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gionc

06-30-2017, 01:52 PM

Time for interiors

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Steering geometry would be hopefully workable

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stratos75

06-30-2017, 02:27 PM

Hi Gio,

This looks very promissing. I will follow this thread with great interest.

F1Tommy

06-30-2017, 10:05 PM

Looks great. Love the Daytona Zagato.

freakray

07-01-2017, 09:16 AM

Off to an excellent start. 3D printing certainly opens up the world of possibilities!

gionc

07-01-2017, 09:33 AM

Ray! It's a good pleasure to read you, after years :).

Thanks guys.
Mikhail: like you would well understand, I wouldn't like to surrender to the pleasure to see something "unmaterial" to grow up and get "material" :), who print something in 3D or uses machining tools would understand , we feel "creators" in such moment, also becouse my zero is at a good stage of completion despite on hold by years. But I'll be pleased and honored to send you when casted my powertrain to be used with your Stratos body, promised! Anyway thanks for the offer!

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Just a quick fitting of the fulvia powertrain mounted back like was done in the Zero: a early stage to be checked well.... for sure something of the "sled" must be cut.

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gionc

07-01-2017, 09:37 AM

I molded my Zero with front hood-door closed since I'm quite worried to get deformed parts and so not sure of the fitting than. But the car would to have openable back bonnet: it hase much more folds so I expect no deformation or troubles. Another idea is to include a spare front door, if someone would like to build it open have just to cut the fixed one and create a gasket around the cut, not for anyone but not complex.

gionc

07-01-2017, 09:46 AM

Ok guys after all this work was time enough for my gift, I deserved. I eventually customized my own Fulvia Zagato, in group4 specs, with 4 spokes campagnolo rims and few aero lips....my baby with her special Zagato bumps on the roof!!

I expect to receive zagato body shell and stuff early next week and I would start the job immediatly!

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together with the sister

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Yep the back spoiler need to be reshaped... I need something more merely seventyy..

And following the "generic" Group4 with few differencies from the daytona: window gaskets, front grid, hinges, back exaust, two seater and few other....

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I'm thinking to offer some few accessories fr the Gr4 Zagato like racing - regularity computers, different steering wheels, rims, estinguishers and stuff to customize the baby.

gionc

07-05-2017, 11:02 AM

Finally something "solid" also on the body shells. Parts fits perfectly, looks me that the Zagato line is well captured, I have to say not easystarting from blank :)

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F1Tommy

07-05-2017, 03:51 PM

jaykay640

07-05-2017, 03:58 PM

That's a serious project Gio! Nice start!

Looks like a lot of time went into building the data. Which software did you use?

gionc

07-05-2017, 03:59 PM

Great work....I hope you offer a kit of Daytona car. They ran at Daytona in both 1968 and 1969. Really surprised no one has done the regular Lancia Fulvia Zagato in diecast like Hachette in 1/24th scale.
Thanks.
Yes it is in my schedule to manufacture the Daytona Zagato as well, it would be the first of the serie to be available.

firun

07-06-2017, 04:04 PM

Gio, you are THE MAN!

sjelic

07-11-2017, 03:56 AM

Damn Photobucket.....can't see the pictures...
Nice to see you back in Lancia mood Gio ;) I was looking at my never finished Fulvia the other day....maybe I get motivation :)

Borjacho

07-12-2017, 10:16 AM

Oh, no!! Another Photobucket affected post!! At least this is almost a new post and reload the pictures from another server would be not so laborious!!

The point is what to do with all those really good post that now are without pictures... fucking Photobucket...

gionc

07-13-2017, 02:36 AM

gionc

07-13-2017, 02:49 AM

OK, first attempt to load image from icloud, please someone notify me if the picture is still visible: I see it but I don't know if my sharing policy allow you to browse it, many thanks.

https://cvws.icloud-content.com/B/Ad1idy6vWEJEkfMRI2mKkpFO-uL7Aa6tdtz8u_mdCTWekfnZs-VIfyrd/combo.JPG?o=AucCuZFPrXOU9WVcuMi-lIF7_ZZxE3jgC6JJFBOL7qQE&v=1&x=3&a=BXrrHmnB2DMmA6BuPA&e=1499932769&k=IRNlBCUhfg16-gJGnuJ_Jw&fl=&r=704220d5-2fac-4f4e-8bdc-cad4a057c3b0-1&ckc=com.apple.clouddocs&ckz=com.apple.CloudDocs&p=45&s=AIOAH2YZiIHl9us6zM29gT7TX1M&cd=i

firun

07-13-2017, 03:41 AM

Borjacho

07-13-2017, 03:54 AM

gionc

07-13-2017, 04:56 AM

Thanks guys, still working

gionc

07-13-2017, 05:28 AM

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gionc

07-13-2017, 05:30 AM

Ok friends I restored all images links hosting images on flickr. Looks good and fast to me. Please to notify me if you get troubles, thanks a lot!

sjelic

07-17-2017, 01:42 AM

see it...like it....want all of it :)

gionc

07-20-2017, 11:10 AM

F1Tommy

07-20-2017, 01:56 PM

Very good. Looks better than white metal any time!!

gionc

07-23-2017, 07:34 AM

Thanks a lot Tom.

Meantime, in progress..

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4326/35298505043_d7867ff72c_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VMd4Lx)eng1 (https://flic.kr/p/VMd4Lx) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4309/35298504573_bc13377b4b_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VMd4Cr)eng3c (https://flic.kr/p/VMd4Cr) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4291/35266622114_507f3b7e5d_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VJoE5S)eng2b (https://flic.kr/p/VJoE5S) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

das_auto

07-23-2017, 04:39 PM

Wow!

I love this! Really interested to see your progress.

Keep up the good work!

/Emil

gionc

07-25-2017, 02:53 PM

gionc

07-25-2017, 02:55 PM

And back to the business: artic shoes for my '72 Monte Fulvia HF (Pirelli MS35 winter)

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4319/35995015172_ab20bddf75_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/WQKRXS)pirelli-neve (https://flic.kr/p/WQKRXS) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4315/35995014722_3ce3afe6dc_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/WQKRQ7)fu (https://flic.kr/p/WQKRQ7) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

gionc

08-24-2017, 04:35 AM

firun

08-24-2017, 12:22 PM

Gio, this Lancia looks sexy half-built! I'm waiting too see it fully-built because it will be enormous! Great stuff.

gionc

09-06-2017, 10:59 AM

F1Tommy

09-06-2017, 05:12 PM

If you do the Fulvia kits what brand will you market them under?

gionc

09-07-2017, 01:59 AM

F1Tommy

09-07-2017, 08:54 AM

I didn't decided yet Tom, still developing tools. May be ScuderiaItalialab if my partners agree or gdetailfactory, in any way indipendent from mainstream producers and mainly focused on the business modeller to modeller.

Sounds good. I would like one of the Fulvia Zagato Daytona kits when they are done. I suppose you could sell them as printed sets, but that is very expensive.

By the way, I used to run Scale Designs, a small resin kit company and still a decal company(all printed by Cartograf), so I know it can take a lot of effort to get them in production.

gionc

09-07-2017, 05:33 PM

Sounds good. I would like one of the Fulvia Zagato Daytona kits when they are done. I suppose you could sell them as printed sets, but that is very expensive.

By the way, I used to run Scale Designs, a small resin kit company and still a decal company(all printed by Cartograf), so I know it can take a lot of effort to get them in production.

Off corse I know you Tom as well as Scale Design, I have got a 33 spider, unfortunately sold in a moment of needs: very nice kit and superb PE set I remember.

I'll sell as usual resin casted kits, plus decals and PE, all finished (coloured) parts you see are still casted in resin ;)

corrrado

09-20-2017, 03:48 PM

Simply: WOW! Stunning work! Would love to have the Stratos Zero.... :)

gionc

09-29-2017, 11:50 AM

corrrado

10-01-2017, 03:36 PM

Gionc, the cars and the details look really great! One thing about the Fulvia, the surface between the beltline and shoulder line which runs across the entire bodyside, seems to be dead flat. Check it on the real thing, it is a nice bold surface. https://i.imgur.com/jb1pUZu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GQZO6V1.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/itygtTy.jpg
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lovegt40

10-01-2017, 04:36 PM

similar Corrado's concept about the tail of the Fulvia, as well as the edges of the 4 wheels fenders...
I loved his clear way to explain exactly my opinion in a long facebook chat with my friend :)

gionc

10-02-2017, 04:29 AM

thanks a lot Corrado and Paolo for your kind comments, basically we're discussing the issues with paolo trough FB. I'll keep in mind these touches before to do the mold. Today I visited a good collection, and I'll subscribe all your notes Corrado:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4389/37191436510_bf9c1a1169_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/YEtQkY)fu2 (https://flic.kr/p/YEtQkY) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4458/37191436740_46058a636c_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/YEtQpW)fu1 (https://flic.kr/p/YEtQpW) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

despite the "bold" section it is more in the back of the car, and as for the zagato I'll try to keep a more "crispy" and sharp appeal cos you all know what happen with primers, fillers... dozen hands of paint and trasparent.... I'll try to do my job on the border line :)

gionc

10-02-2017, 04:32 AM

gionc

10-02-2017, 04:34 AM

This id my gift for my next birthday in february: I'll get all the time to finish my barchetta and submit in april atthe usual Moson show in Hungary. Obviously it would be 1 only piece :) just for me :)

Zagato style is like a drug for me, "I just never get enough" (cit. :) ), but Elio Zagato didn't gift us a cool barchetta based on the fulvia Z. After Daytona 69 this would be my phantom entry to Daytona 1970, and... not in the 1600cc class....

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4458/37449006981_76e8b86a0d_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Z4eX5a)W8 (https://flic.kr/p/Z4eX5a) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

corrrado

10-02-2017, 02:51 PM

gionc

10-03-2017, 04:07 AM

Hi Gio, these will be lovely cars, especially the Barchetta concept! Outstanding work as usual, would love to see them in real! I hope my comments on the Fulvia will only serve as a creative comment and did not offence you, since your great work is one of the biggest inspiration for my modelling :)

You're joking man, how may I feel myself offended by fellow modelers that are trying to help me to do the right thing ? :) I will just thanks you guys.

gionc

03-09-2018, 01:13 PM

gionc

03-09-2018, 01:16 PM

And finally time to add a bit of color on those resin shell: Zagato red!!!

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4798/26841139948_5d3912009b_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/GTRRLY)IMG_5353 (https://flic.kr/p/GTRRLY) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4801/25841183697_41eb1709c7_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FnuPBX)IMG_5355 (https://flic.kr/p/FnuPBX) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4800/26841139228_45030ac964_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/GTRRyy)IMG_5354 (https://flic.kr/p/GTRRyy) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

A bit of rest and I'll polish it!

F1Tommy

03-09-2018, 01:33 PM

Oh my does that photoetch look great. Even window frames!! I try to explain to people why they need to put that in resin kits but everyone seems to think painting or foil is better. I would like one of the Lancia's please.

gionc

03-11-2018, 02:53 PM

Thanks Tom, would be a honour for me.

Decals time, superb quality.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4797/26881543328_dbbb6e989b_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/GXqWhY)Senza-titolo-2 (https://flic.kr/p/GXqWhY) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4788/40042424194_b6965902dd_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/241pTE3)Senza-titolo-1 (https://flic.kr/p/241pTE3) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

gionc

03-13-2018, 01:00 PM

tyres!!!

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4794/39896750075_8ecdbf9d5f_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/23MxgPi)gomme1 (https://flic.kr/p/23MxgPi) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4782/39896749805_2b8f02d777_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/23MxgJD)gomme2 (https://flic.kr/p/23MxgJD) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

corrrado

03-13-2018, 04:46 PM

Looking really great Gio! :smile:

gionc

03-16-2018, 03:08 AM

freakray

03-16-2018, 06:45 AM

Inspiring stuff!

I may have to reach out to some time and get some tips on creating the photo etch.

gionc

03-20-2018, 10:44 AM

Hi Ray, when you start to study about I'll help with any tip/info you need. At last is like drive a bycicle.... when you are able is forever :)

Hi guys today I received the final photo etched frets for the zagato! They looks superb as supposed! Can't wait to mount those aluminium window gaskets and badges!

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/814/40920754591_26ea6c4761_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25m2yFz)PE (https://flic.kr/p/25m2yFz) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/795/40921162861_76ed5329a1_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25m4E3H)PEnew (https://flic.kr/p/25m4E3H) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

corrrado

03-21-2018, 06:20 PM

Looks awesome! :)

gionc

03-22-2018, 01:30 PM

I choose for a resin roll cage, and I'm satisfacted, no warped parts, great joints, easy to build. And so interiors grows up quickly!

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/819/26085702547_d29653fcce_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FK73yc)ROLLCAGE2 (https://flic.kr/p/FK73yc) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/811/26085705227_32e0907ab2_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FK74mp)ROLLCAGE3 (https://flic.kr/p/FK74mp) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/796/26085700797_2078261204_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FK7332)ROLLCAGE1 (https://flic.kr/p/FK7332) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/819/40248862734_4e5a654020_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24jDWDd)ROLLCAGE4 (https://flic.kr/p/24jDWDd) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4785/40248864904_c0636b4112_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24jDXhC)ROLLCAGE5 (https://flic.kr/p/24jDXhC) by giovanni castello (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152577544@N07/), su Flickr

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