B18A v.s B16??

should a 89' CRX with a B18A1 be able to beat an 88 CRX Si with a B16 with a DOHC Vtec?? I know there are a few diff B16's but i didnt get any mor specs then that......im just curious which car you think should win?

the b16 will probably win ... I love the LS motor though cause its actually got torque ... and you dont gotta put premium gas in it.

it would be a good racer. i love ls too. feel much more torquier than the b16. unlike the b16 you feel power at all rpms, b16 u only feel it in the higher rpms. if the ls can drive it right he should jump all over the b16 and have the power to stay there. trust me i've seen this two engines in same cars battle several different time. almost every occassion ls wins.

b16 will win.

B16A

From personal experience it all will depend on the mods and driver. If either driver sucks then the other will win. But from what I have seen the b16a should win

Hey actually the two have run a while back, cars ran 3 times and my CRX with the LS in it won everytime......could just be drivers who knows.......

In the exact same car - B16A.

A lot of people on here quote other people's 1/4 times and shit, but they don't think about the tonnes of varying factors between what some dude online said he ran with a B18A in his 89DX in Florida vs. what some dude ran with his B16A in a 90Si in Texas...

I lose to B16's usually the top of third, into fourth gear.

the ls would probably get it from the jump but the b16a will deffinetly get him at the end.

my vote is for the

"B16a"

in a 1/4 in the exact same elevation, exact same mods on each car and equal driver skill the LS will take it, i have seen it NUMEROUS times here in sacramento at sac raceway

how about a b16a Turbo in a CRX vs a 99 Integra LS w/ Turbo

how about a b16a Turbo in a CRX vs a 99 Integra LS w/ Turbo



crx has huge weight advantage.......b16a turbo vs. turbo crx ls same mods etc ls will win in 1/4 race

I had an LS, it wasnt that impressive. it felt torquey at lower rpms than other honda engines, but the top end sucked. I ran just 1 1/10 of a second faster in the 1/8 mile than my d16z6, where you figure torque would matter the most in such a short distance.

I have to agree with b16a because the high end vtec would stomp the LS!

how about the B16B civic type R spoon built motors? I am seeing a few of them on Ebay lately.

I ran just 1 1/10 of a second faster in the 1/8 mile than my d16z6, where you figure torque would matter the most in such a short distance.

Are you using the LS tranny? I personally would take better gearing and a little less torque for acceleration in a shorter distance.

b16as all the way, dont tell me you wouldnt want a motor that revs up to 8200. and all u guys say yeah the ls is good because it has torque yeah it has torque but thats off idle, ive never heard of anyone when there racing launch at idle. with an ls u gotta launch at like 1500 anymore and u get too much wheel spin but with a b16 u can launch at 4 and 1500 rpms later and your in vtec and the b16 takes it with its top end

b16as all the way, dont tell me you wouldnt want a motor that revs up to 8200. and all u guys say yeah the ls is good because it has torque yeah it has torque but thats off idle, ive never heard of anyone when there racing launch at idle. with an ls u gotta launch at like 1500 anymore and u get too much wheel spin but with a b16 u can launch at 4 and 1500 rpms later and your in vtec and the b16 takes it with its top end



i refer you to my prior post

how about the B16B civic type R spoon built motors? I am seeing a few of them on Ebay lately.



there is nothing special about spoon motors other then the fact that they are balanced in the spoon factory....just because it says spoon doesnt mean it gives you power d00d

we got stock b16s runnin mid 13s over here, ive never seen a ls run mid 13s stock

we got stock b16s runnin mid 13s over here, ive never seen a ls run mid 13s stock



show me one stock daily driven b16a that runs 13's (and if its stock in a tube chassis car that shit does not count)

OK, it seems like each side has it's own argument but what about a LS/Vtec conversion. Are they worth the trouble and how long would I expect the life of the engine if I put a GSR head on my LS block? I plan on going turbo so I've heard this would be a good idea. Also, what tranny would you run with a LS engine? I was thinking the TYPE R with the LSD. What yall think?

show me one stock daily driven b16a that runs 13's (and if its stock in a tube chassis car that shit does not count)

I've seen a daily driven CRX Si that had a B16 with an intake and exhaust and he was running 13.7s. He's a friend of mine. TOTALLY stripped out, two seats and the dash inside, he removed the sunroof even and put in a plug. :eek: And 15" rotas... That car was really light, and he could drive quite well, but still. Its been done.

I've seen a daily driven CRX Si that had a B16 with an intake and exhaust and he was running 13.7s. He's a friend of mine. TOTALLY stripped out, two seats and the dash inside, he removed the sunroof even and put in a plug. :eek: And 15" rotas... That car was really light, and he could drive quite well, but still. Its been done.



and thats not stock

OK, it seems like each side has it's own argument but what about a LS/Vtec conversion. Are they worth the trouble and how long would I expect the life of the engine if I put a GSR head on my LS block? I plan on going turbo so I've heard this would be a good idea. Also, what tranny would you run with a LS engine? I was thinking the TYPE R with the LSD. What yall think?



if built PROPERLY (thats the KEY word) then an LS-VTEC will last a long time and produce gobs of power, but you must address the R/S issue first if you want to rev it over 7200rpm daily

and thats not stock

My point was it's a basically unmodded B16.

My point was it's a basically unmodded B16.



ok then lets put it this way to clarify even further.....FULL INTERIOR, COMPLETELY STOCK (stock airbox, stock exhaust stock everything) show me 1 b16a pwd car in hondas lineup that runs 13's with the provisions i just listed

ok i dont have the answer to any of these questions, but i do know that im going to order my b16 sometime next month i hope, and i was wondering if it was going to drop the front end of my car at all? or if the motors are pretty close in weight , i have an 88crx si with a d16a6

ok i dont have the answer to any of these questions, but i do know that im going to order my b16 sometime next month i hope, and i was wondering if it was going to drop the front end of my car at all? or if the motors are pretty close in weight , i have an 88crx si with a d16a6

The motors are pretty close in wieght.

CRXtc - There is no answer to what you want, it just can't be done.. Show me any stock Honda that runs 13s though!? :screwy:

my old b16 ran a 13.6 on street tires. i/h/e mugen ecu and a vafc.....all done at firebird international in phoenix.....my ls/vtec ran a 12.8 i/h/e mugen ecu and a vafc....theres a comparison for you on that sublect...same bolt on on each engine.

when i say stock, i dont mean like a stock car with stock air box and everything, i mean a stock internal b16, the mid 13s i was talking about was fully gutted, with plexi windows on slicks.

when i say stock, i dont mean like a stock car with stock air box and everything, i mean a stock internal b16, the mid 13s i was talking about was fully gutted, with plexi windows on slicks.



shit my b18a pwd CRX could do that EASY with those mods (stock internals) shit if you talking like that i could fuckin spray 75 shot and get to low 13's maybe high 12's

my old b16 ran a 13.6 on street tires. i/h/e mugen ecu and a vafc.....all done at firebird international in phoenix.....my ls/vtec ran a 12.8 i/h/e mugen ecu and a vafc....theres a comparison for you on that sublect...same bolt on on each engine.



mugen ECU as in actual mugen ECU or mugen chip from ebay?

shit my b18a pwd CRX could do that EASY with those mods (stock internals) shit if you talking like that i could fuckin spray 75 shot and get to low 13's maybe high 12's

HAHAHA... Fuck man, I don't even see what's your point anymore.. A B16 with with a 75 shot in any of the 13 second cars we're mentioning would also run 12s. :screwy:

I've never seen a B18 powered Civic/CRX with just 1-3 simple bolt ons run 13s.

HAHAHA... Fuck man, I don't even see what's your point anymore.. A B16 with with a 75 shot in any of the 13 second cars we're mentioning would also run 12s. :screwy:

I've never seen a B18 powered Civic/CRX with just 1-3 simple bolt ons run 13s.



the point is he said a stock b16a pwd civic/crx ran a 13.6 and his idea of stock is internally stock, shit man i could have a tube chassis crx w/ a internally stock b18a with 75 shot and bolt ons and probably get close to 10's, the point of my extreme exaggerations is that it wasnt stock, like he said, i have seen STOCK b16a pwd CRX si's hitting consistent 15.1's and i have also seen them hit 14.6's, its obviously the driver but the point is that i have also seen STOCK b18a pwd CRX si's go 14.6's and i have also seen them do 14.1's again STOCK (stock body, full interior)

I used to have a 91 dx hb with a 92 ls b18a and i would run my friends 97 sh prelude and he would pull at the end of 2nd and all of 3rd gear.now i have a 92 si hb with a b16a and i took him from start and if we would go any faster he might not catch up.b16a would probably like always beat ls.trust me i have had both these vehicles.

From a slightly different standpoint....

At autox i've seen CRX's/civic's with both the B16 and the B18A run against each other. I'd take the B18A in a heart beat. Mod for mod its midrange is always gonna kill the B16, hence its faster out of a corner. In fact i've lost count the number of b16 powered cars my D16A6 has caught at autox hehe. However, take it to a road course where your continously up in the RPM's and i've seen B16 powered cars become holy terrors. A B16 in a 4th gen around a road course will keep pace with a ITR if driven properly.

Drag racing as a few said before in the standing 1/4 you can make a LS hold it own just fine against a B16. My friend had a LS in his CRX and it went high/mid 14's using I/H/E and the SiR tranny. He said B16's he knew with the exact same mods were just a wee bit faster.

It all depends on the mods, driver, and the type of race.

In stock condition: In a typical light-to-light race, I think the LS would win. On the freeway, I think the B16 would win. In a 1/4 mile I think the B16 might pull it off at the very end. Overall I prefer the LS because of the torque. Most VTEC engines lack torque at the low end. I could always make up for the low HP with a 50 - 75 shot of nitrous :)

b16's have shorter gears, if you threw a gsr tranny on a b16 the shit would top out a lot higher, i know 99 si's with the a2 top out somewhere around 140 bone stock

I would have to agree that the LS is anwesome engine if you are looking for something with torque...but WindyIce is right on top end VTEC hits hard...and the power is all there