The right blue colour for Williams FW24

There were some doubts regarding the correct colour to use for the Williams FW24 a while back and til now there wasnt any confirmation.

Some said it was the TS-64 but that was made especially for this model:
http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/56313hauler/index.htm

So I wrote an email to our local supplier who got in touch with Tamiya and I got a reply from him:


Hi Aloysius,
The color quality of TS-51 was approved from the Williams F1 Team.
There is no difference in blue color between HP version and the compaq
version because only their sponsor name on the car is different between
them.
The color is very difficult to be specified because actual color and printed
color is always not the same depending on ink quality, paper quality and
adjusting color by printer.
- The above was the answers from Tamiya Japan -

Thanks & regards,
T S Sia

Forgive their english but that should clear up the main issue.

Hope this helps for those who were waiting for the correct colour to use.

Yep, that's what it calls for in the instructions. :smile:

Originally posted by Veyron
Yep, that's what it calls for in the instructions. :smile:

and this is what I bouth... but still no Williams to my door (damn slow shipping)

The instruction calls for TS-51 Racing Blue, formerly Telefinica blue, right?

My stupid hobby store doesn't have a good selection of Tamiya paints so I may have to use something else like ts-50

Seriously, I don't buy it...they hiding something.:redface: TS-51 don't look like anything that's on their FW24... So I think they had used some Finisher's paint. I do remember they sell that color, but I can't order it by air.:frown:

Try to spray some on the unwanted part with TS51, you see the differents compare to their finished FW24. I think I will wait for that TS-64 to release.:bloated: It's all my :2cents:

Rtuned :worshippy :worshippy :worshippy

The TS-64 looks a tad too dark and the texture doesnt seem right for the Williams. Look at the link I posted.

Perhaps there's a hidden agenda as you say on Tamiya's part but I seriously doubt it.
Coming straight from Tamiya's mouth via Tai Shing and approved by Williams F1 Team.

If I didnt receive any reply, I would still have my doubts about using TS-51, thats why I wrote to them in the first place to clarify the colour.

Anyways, there may be some truth in what you say Rtuned.

But its just doesnt make sense. Why would Tamiya try to 'cheat' us with an issue as small as a spray colour can?
Also, if they can be bothered with coming out a special colour for the truck, why not for a Williams?
Bear in mind that all kits has to be approved and licensed by the relevant principle car makers, in this case Williams.

Just some points to ponder if you will.

Originally posted by nervestrikes
My stupid hobby store doesn't have a good selection of Tamiya paints so I may have to use something else like ts-50

TS-50 is way too light for the Williams.

I believe Tamiya have utilised the paint in their range closest to the true color, that is all.

2 or 3 coat of TS-51 will make it darker..

the TS-64 look WAY too dark ! it'S praticly metalic black !

I am not sure about the paint yet but did anybody figure out how to get the seat in after glueing the monocoque halves together. Any ideas on where to cut etc.

935k3,

The instructions say to attach the seat to the inside of the monocoque before you glue them together (Step 7) :frown:

I have just recieved a can from TS-51! i hope it looks good !!! progress thread starts in a few days (i hope so)! :iceslolan

Will we see Thesaint111 be the first in AF to start with this kit? :wink:

Actually, if you guys feel that TS-51 isnt the correct colour, its really up to you. Its your kit afterall.

Maybe take your time like what Rtuned said and wait or search for the right tone of blue.

But I better post a disclaimer in case anyone here builds the kit and end up feeling that TS-51 isnt the right colour :tongue:

But 1 thing I can assure you, that the above email is cut and paste and its from TaiShing.

So, good building guys!

Originally posted by Milan@AU
935k3,

The instructions say to attach the seat to the inside of the monocoque before you glue them together (Step 7) :frown:

I already know that. I want to glue the halves, fill the seams and paint without the interior being in there.

Originally posted by 935k3


I already know that. I want to glue the halves, fill the seams and paint without the interior being in there.

Whch makes complete sense, otherwise you have a virtual masking nightmare :eek:

Originally posted by freakray


Whch makes complete sense, otherwise you have a virtual masking nightmare :eek:

Indeed. From what I remember seeing the instruction online is you can glue the 2 halfs, make a whole in the bottom, paint the monocoque and when all finished, slide the seat in. The whole will not be visible since it'll be mounted on the surfaceboard. If you want to disaply it without the surface board, then you're probably in for the nightmare...

:2cents:

ps. thanks chain for sharing that piece of info :wink:

Chain... I thought that reply is by Tamiya Japan themselve, but when you said is Tai Sheng...:eek: :eek:

Taisheng know nothing about model kits, they are all business man, as long good sold and they don't care. I ask Tony and Andrew, is there any FW07 or Lotus 78 be coming? I saw it re-issued. They said never heard of that....and I told him the #, they refer me to Mini 4WD.:mad: Their main target in making money are mini4WD and R/C. So if you ask them about paint, they will just tell you what they have. Because they afraid if there wasn't any paint for the FW24, you might wait till it release; then they will loose money during that month. I never believe what they said, because they are lack of product knowledge.

And maybe you are right, I'm wrong. But I will stick to it until I find that color for it.:icon16:
Hope to see the rest on the incoming progress thread.:bigthumb:

Rtuned :worshippy :worshippy :worshippy

Er, Rtuned, the reply is from Tamiya Japan via Tai Sheng. Let me highlight it for you:

Hi Aloysius,
The color quality of TS-51 was approved from the Williams F1 Team.
There is no difference in blue color between HP version and the compaq
version because only their sponsor name on the car is different between
them.
The color is very difficult to be specified because actual color and printed
color is always not the same depending on ink quality, paper quality and
adjusting color by printer.
- The above was the answers from Tamiya Japan -

Thanks & regards,
T S Sia

But you are right about Tai Sheng not knowing anything though :lol:
:wink:

Oops!!!!! :uhoh: :uhoh: :sorry: :sorry: Sorry!...

Rtuned :worshippy :worshippy :worshippy :lol:

Originally posted by Rtuned
Oops!!!!! :uhoh: :uhoh: :sorry: :sorry: Sorry!...

Rtuned :worshippy :worshippy :worshippy :lol:

:lol: nps here. BTW, you got PM Rtuned.

I have no idea what this debate is for.... Since it is already listed in the instructions.

If Tamiya specifies TS-51 as the correct shade, I would trust them. I just can't recall when they have been wrong in a BODY colour. They have always been spot on, or at least in most of the F1 models.

I'm very confident, that with Tamiya spending so much money in developing the kit, the last thing would be to recommend the wrong shade. Don't forget, the colour gets deeper as more coats are applied.

Originally posted by Rcaerosport
I have no idea what this debate is for....

If you have been following Williams FW24 kits here, you will know why.

Not trying to start a flame war, but yes I have been following, but mostly, it was before the release of the kit. Now that the instructions are out.......

Anyhow, it was very thoughtful of you to have gone through this confirmation. Thanks!:smile:

Originally posted by Rcaerosport
If Tamiya specifies TS-51 as the correct shade, I would trust them. I just can't recall when they have been wrong in a BODY colour. They have always been spot on, or at least in most of the F1 models.


Funny you should say that, their color for the Subaru Impreza WRC isn't spot on..... :redface:

Euh, as a more experienced modeler, I can tell it is wise to question the instructions of the modelfactories by default That is when you're trying to reproduce a scale model kit as accurate as possible. So the research and approach of Chain are justified.

Unless you're a modeler who just likes to glue to stuff together and are not to bothered with accuracy etc. Of course there is nothing wrong with that either :wink:

But every now and then, we might have our little conversations on details that migth seem utterly pointless to some, but are most important to others.

:wink: :wink:

Originally posted by Rcaerosport
Not trying to start a flame war, but yes I have been following, but mostly, it was before the release of the kit. Now that the instructions are out.......

Anyhow, it was very thoughtful of you to have gone through this confirmation. Thanks!:smile:

Rcaerosport, no worries here and u r welcome.

As freakray as put it, subby WRC was 1 of them and there are other kits too that were incorrect. I am sure some modelers will attest to this.
huudo too has some very good points.

Well anyways, all it takes is 1 model and even if the instructions says it, there will be doubts for other models.
But dont take it that we are getting at Tamiya. On the contrary, having bought a kit, I sure as hell do not want to buy a spray can only to find out later that the paint specified for it isnt the correct one.
After all, some kits arent cheap and the time taken to do a kit is very tedious.
We take pride in our models. And having bought the kits, we have the right to question the use of a correct colour, may it be an F1 kit, WRC.....etc It wont matter if Tamiya screwed up before or it can any brand for that matter. We just want our kits to as close to the real thing as possible. I think we deserve that right.

But like I said, it really depends on you. If you think its the correct colour or if not, its your kit, you decide.

For others, it can be said as bordering on being paraniod just to get the right colour but for the given reasons above, being safe is better than sorry and thats where AF comes in.

We search, we share our findings and discuss it. Read and listen if you will, but overall the decision is still yours to make.


cheers

Aloysius

Originally posted by Chain


Rcaerosport, no worries here and u r welcome.

As freakray as put it, subby WRC was 1 of them and there are other kits too that were incorrect. I am sure some modelers will attest to this.
huudo too has some very good points.

Well anyways, all it takes is 1 model and even if the instructions says it, there will be doubts for other models.
But dont take it that we are getting at Tamiya. On the contrary, having bought a kit, I sure as hell do not want to buy a spray can only to find out later that the paint specified for it isnt the correct one.
After all, some kits arent cheap and the time taken to do a kit is very tedious.
We take pride in our models. And having bought the kits, we have the right to question the use of a correct colour, may it be an F1 kit, WRC.....etc It wont matter if Tamiya screwed up before or it can any brand for that matter. We just want our kits to as close to the real thing as possible. I think we deserve that right.

But like I said, it really depends on you. If you think its the correct colour or if not, its your kit, you decide.

For others, it can be said as bordering on being paraniod just to get the right colour but for the given reasons above, being safe is better than sorry and thats where AF comes in.

We search, we share our findings and discuss it. Read and listen if you will, but overall the decision is still yours to make.


cheers

Aloysius

:iagree: :iagree: And I'm sorry for what I'm so agressive against Taiseng. My bad. I just don't want somone here screw up the FW24 with the color... Afterall, is just a model and I really don't want make here like a flame war.
My english is not good to express my feeling... actually I want to said like Huudo said... instruction color is a default, but not actual color. Myself will look for actual color because I'm too :screwy: :screwy:
:sorry: :sorry: :sorry:
Rtuned :slap: :worshippy :worshippy

Tamiya usually indicates the car manufacturer's described colour (sometimes with flamboyant names) and the TS paint number to use. I believe it is the closest match but not always the exact match. At times, there is no matching paint for a particular shade and they ask you to mix.

For example, Honda Jazz's black version is called nighhawk pearl black but Tamiya simply asks you to use black. The best part is, I actually seen a real Honda Jazz black and I really do not know whether it is just black or some kinda pearl black even on the real thing! :frown: