Turbo identifacation?

when i bought my car the guy i got it from had an extra turbo that he gave me. he said it fit the car. it has a shitload of shaft play and needs to be rebuilt. but i have no idea what turbo it is.are there any marking that i could look for or an id number i could run somewhere and find out what it is?:confused:

Not in specific, your best bet is to take it to a dealer and have their mechanic check it out. They will give you an answer. It might even be another stock turbo that he pulled out of a junkyard. Who Knows.

If it a mitsubishi turbo it will have a number starting with TD on the on the compresser side of the turbo. Ex TD05, TD06, ect. If it is a Garret it should say T-xx somewhere but I don't know where

thanks at least that gives me something to look for.

Since its a 95 , Its prolly another T-25 :rolleyes:

what is a better aftermarket turbo a hybrid or garret?

First of all, there is no answer to which turbo is better, second, you can have a hybrid garret

Originally posted by Talon007
First of all, there is no answer to which turbo is better, second, you can have a hybrid garret

YUP :biggrin: There are T3/T04 Hybrids that can hand out over 1000 Hp.

what is the deal with the 25g? can it fir on a 4g63? will it have massive turbo lag tho? or is it a good turbo?

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WTF is a 25g?:confused:

itz a td-08 i seen it on a wrx its made by greedy i want to know if it can fit on a 4g63 without to much modification and is it hard to spool cause it is so big?

The only thing I could find was T-67 25g, for Subaru applications. So it wont fit on a Mitsu manifold. And that is a huge turbo, you wouldn't hit full boost until 7000rpm or so. So in other words useless on the street

Originally posted by turbo2nr
what is the deal with the 25g? can it fir on a 4g63? will it have massive turbo lag tho? or is it a good turbo?

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If you want streetable power , stick with the 20G and a 3" turbo back system. You'll get full boost at 3500-4000 , just like a normal car. You can also go the T3/T04 route , if you want more power than the 20G can throw down. Mitsubishi also made a turbo called the 30V , for power applications in excess of 700 Hp , but demand was so small they stopped making it years ago , and its unlikely any ever made it to the states.

FP3065

All you need to know if a 20g gets boring.

Originally posted by LandoAWD
FP3065

All you need to know if a 20g gets boring.


The FP Green/Red series is nothing more than rebadged T3/T04's . :rolleyes: You'll save tons of money NOT going the FP route. Been there , did that.:wink:

Maybe you should do your research on BB turbos ;)

Yup , been there :wink:

Originally posted by LandoAWD
Maybe you should do your research on BB turbos ;)


All the FP 30's are Mitsu/Garret Hybrids. Don't call me stupid unless you can back up your facts and provide links.:rolleyes:

http://www.forcedperformance.net

I didn't call you stupid, but I will call you an arrogant, argumentative prick:bigthumb:

You were calling it a "green/red". It is not. Even you can't argue with that. Get it :loser:

Originally posted by LandoAWD
I didn't call you stupid, but I will call you an arrogant, argumentative prick:bigthumb:

You were calling it a "green/red". It is not. Even you can't argue with that. Get it :loser:

I did not say FP Green/Red . I SAID : FP Green/Red SERIES which basically covers the whole thing. You need to learn how to read.

:rolleyes:
Yeah, its a rebadged T3/T4. And diamonds are pretty rocks.

Originally posted by LandoAWD
:rolleyes:
Yeah, its a rebadged T3/T4. And diamonds are pretty rocks.

Diamonds are pretty rocks. :rolleyes: Literally. Why don't ya just prove me wrong , if you can. :bloated:

Fine use of the English language, sir. I assume you have no concept of the meaning of diamonds in anywhere but a jewelry store. Thats probably because you are wasting your time arguing on the internet. You provide no facts, but are quick with combative responses. There are flow charts on the very link you gave me. Compare them to the "red/green series". I am done with you on this thread as well....there are beers to be consumed, for which I will drive to a bar in a car that people notice, and consequently respect if they test me. You...type another well thought out response, and pray someone cares about an internet discussion turned off topic.

Originally posted by LandoAWD
Fine use of the English language, sir. I assume you have no concept of the meaning of diamonds in anywhere but a jewelry store. Thats probably because you are wasting your time arguing on the internet. You provide no facts, but are quick with combative responses. There are flow charts on the very link you gave me. Compare them to the "red/green series". I am done with you on this thread as well....there are beers to be consumed, for which I will drive to a bar in a car that people notice, and consequently respect if they test me. You...type another well thought out response, and pray someone cares about an internet discussion turned off topic.


Behold a true loser quote if I ever read one.:loser: You are the one who can't provide any correct information , while I at least provide links to back up my statements. Go and consume your beer. Beer is for weenies anyway , men that cannot handle true alcohol . I'm sure people are gonna bow and scrape as they see your ghetto-ass looking car rolling down the street. You can race and beat me all you want , but I'll be laughing at your broke down ass by the side of the road because you have no clue how to work on your own car.....:lol:

:rolleyes:

Thats right man..you are all knowing. You know all about me. Hell, you must be the daughter of a 1 eyed Chinese seer. The only link you provided in your oh so consise responses is one to a homepage of a vendor. You still have proven nothing to me but your persistent nature to argue and ability to spew lame fallacies in every new post. Congrats sir, you are an e-thug.:bigthumb:

I'm sorry , was someone talking? http://www.automobileforum.com/forums/html//emoticons/unsure.gif

i pulled the box off the shelf that my turbo is in and got to looking it over and saw that the compressor says Garret. then i found some possible serial #'s. could some one tell me whether this would be a full garret or just a hybrid or maybe give me a link to garrets home page to where i could run a number and find out which model it is. i searched garret on google and it just took me to a bunch of vendors. so if some one could link me to there official site it would be appreciated. thanks.

P.S. RockinWRX

beer isn't for weenies. :thefinger beer is considered a social drink that people enjoy while having intelligent conversation. something you are obviously not familar with. not for some fuck that doesn't really provide any usefull information. so i am glad you are ignorant and only drink hard liqour because your a badass.:rolleyes: your only another arrogant asshole to me. so the next time you post responding to one of my questions i would appreciate it if you would try to give usefull info, instead of just bitching.

Originally posted by 95_GSX
i pulled the box off the shelf that my turbo is in and got to looking it over and saw that the compressor says Garret. then i found some possible serial #'s. could some one tell me whether this would be a full garret or just a hybrid or maybe give me a link to garrets home page to where i could run a number and find out which model it is. i searched garret on google and it just took me to a bunch of vendors. so if some one could link me to there official site it would be appreciated. thanks.

P.S. RockinWRX

beer isn't for weenies. :thefinger beer is considered a social drink that people enjoy while having intelligent conversation. something you are obviously not familar with. not for some fuck that doesn't really provide any usefull information. so i am glad you are ignorant and only drink hard liqour because your a badass.:rolleyes: your only another arrogant asshole to me. so the next time you post responding to one of my questions i would appreciate it if you would try to give usefull info, instead of just bitching.

Don't start , BUD , none of that was directed at you. But I may change my mind. Try this place co.dsm.org Go in the tech shed and look around for the FAQ's . Somewhere in there should be a section on identifying turbo's. It may be hard to find , but its there.

You're welcome.:thefinger

hey thanks BUD. :thefinger thats what i wanted in the first place. and like i said i do appreciate it when people take the time to link me up to information. but its hard to read through a page of two people bitching back and forth and not become annoyed. especially when they talk shit about another mans drink. but thanks again and i will check that site our tomarrow and do some research into it. and post what i find out. thanks.

Originally posted by 95_GSX
hey thanks BUD. :thefinger thats what i wanted in the first place. and like i said i do appreciate it when people take the time to link me up to information. but its hard to read through a page of two people bitching back and forth and not become annoyed. especially when they talk shit about another mans drink. but thanks again and i will check that site our tomarrow and do some research into it. and post what i find out. thanks.

I was giving him shit because he obviously does not know any relevant information on these cars. I felt obligated to give him shit about that. You also might try http://www.egarrett.com assuming it is the stock Garret T25 unit. Most turbo's have the unit type on the compressor housing. With the 1G's 14B , it clearly says TDO5H on a flat part of the housing.

Got a digicam? Post a pic of any #'s you find :bigthumb: I don't mind doing a little research for a fellow DSM'er.:cool:

hey i would appreciate the help. i will try to get them uploaded today, but im leaving town so it will probably be sunday night or monday before i can get them posted. allthough in the back of my head i think the turbo is probably a t-25. it looks rather small.thanks.

Originally posted by RockinWRX


I was giving him shit because he obviously does not know any relevant information on these cars. I felt obligated to give him shit about that.

What would you consider relevant info? Posting a vendor link? Bickering? Got those flow charts yet? Do us all a favor and don't furthur contaminate the gene pool:bigthumb:

95_GSX: I apologize for the turbulance here, but some people just don't see both sides of an argument. They argue points which they don't back up themselves, and call others out for not posting any useful info.

Originally posted by LandoAWD


What would you consider relevant info? Posting a vendor link? Bickering? Got those flow charts yet? Do us all a favor and don't furthur contaminate the gene pool:bigthumb:

95_GSX: I apologize for the turbulance here, but some people just don't see both sides of an argument. They argue points which they don't back up themselves, and call others out for not posting any useful info.


Turbo flow charts? Go to DSM.ORG :bigthumb: I'd provide the link to my local club , which has charts for all DSM turbo's , but its down right now. Try co.dsm.org at your own discretion.

Better mood tonight? I'm afraid of co.dsm...BatmanGSX was mean to me on Tuners....j/k

:tongue:

Originally posted by LandoAWD
Better mood tonight? I'm afraid of co.dsm...BatmanGSX was mean to me on Tuners....j/k

:tongue:


The clubs website is just a resource site. No forums. So you won't run into anybody , PROMISE :silly:

Originally posted by LandoAWD
Better mood tonight? I'm afraid of co.dsm...BatmanGSX was mean to me on Tuners....j/k

:tongue:


I'm surprised ha wasted his time posting on that site, but I guess he doesn't pass up a chance to make fun of people :lol:

Originally posted by Talon007



I'm surprised ha wasted his time posting on that site, but I guess he doesn't pass up a chance to make fun of people :lol:

Him and Hal Landry....although Hal is just a big asshole anyway. But the man does know his stuff.

Hell, both of them do....they just have an interesting way with words. I never got into anything with BatmanGSX, but I have seen many a knoobie's asshole ripped wide open.

Originally posted by LandoAWD
Hell, both of them do....they just have an interesting way with words. I never got into anything with BatmanGSX, but I have seen many a knoobie's asshole ripped wide open.

Is that like a professional DSM'er thing? I also have a big problem with keeping my mouth shut :comprage1

I hadn't noticed:rolleyes: :tongue:

Sure they may come off as pricks, thats why they joined NABR. NABR is definetly a change for the good, I enjoy reading the board. Its much easier than wading thru all the crap on other boards.

here are the pics. i havn't ever posted with pics before, so if it doesn't work out, i will keep editing it until i get it right or shoot myself wich ever comes first.:wink:

alright i lied i don't feel like shooting myself, to much work for the poor bastard that would have to clean it up.lol. but i cant get it to post more than one picture in one post? i tried going back in and editing it and adding another atachment while saving the current ones and it didn't work.

P.S. The #'s i found on the turbo are as following.

on the exhaust side of the turbo

Garrett

TRO759

.49
N55
72T
Hl

on the intake side( i think compressor side/ not exactly possitive on all parts of a turbo. still a newbie)

A/R
.48
M10

Don't worry about it. From what I can see , it looks like a T25. The outlet tube and exhaust inlet positions are consistent with the stock 2G turbo. Not really worth rebuilding , IMO. Although maybe you can get it done cheap and sell it to another DSM'er who just blew his up. T25's are worth about $100 here on the DSM club list. In some cases I can get 14B's for that. Some guy was selling a small 16G today for $225.

hey thanks i got to looking at it closer and thought it probably was. it looked about the same as what i got now(which is stock,which=small:frown: ) and thought that it was probably a t-25. thanks for your help.

Holy shit, the misinformation in this thread is unequaled by anything else on this site... Let me clarify a few points, though I'm sure I'll miss a lot of them because I'm not going back to look for them all.

The Green and Red are not "series" of turbos. They are each only one turbo, with available options being simply 7cm or 8cm turbine housings, and oil/water or only oil cooling. FP wont release specs on the turbos, but the green is a Mitsu TDO6 center cartridge and turbine wheel, with a Garret TO4E 50 trim compressor wheel in a modified/special mitsu TDO6 "cyclone" compressor cover (or housing). The red is the same but with a TDO6H (H for high flow) turbine wheel and a garret TO4E 60-1 compressor wheel. FP used to offer the "frank" series of turbos using the 50, 54, 57, 60, and 60-1 trim compressor wheels and the TDO6 and H turbine wheels. I am assuming they tossed all of those compressor wheels in favor of the 50 and 60-1 for one reason. They are the best two of all those wheels. The 50 trim is a 50mm inducer with a 3.0 inch exducer. From 54 to 60 trim, they drop to a 2.95 inch exducer, and doesnt go 3" again until the 60-1. Coincidence? I doubt it. FP is overpriced, but they know turbos for sure. :wink:

The mitsu turbos are all typically TDO45, or 6. TDO4s are found just on the auto 1Gs and 3S cars (9b) here. The Tdo5s typically cover (though there are other trims) the 14g, 14b, 15g, 15c, 16g, big 16g, 17c, 18g, and 19c. TDO6 starts with the 20g, and there arent any others used on DSMs. There is also a TDO6 16g listed, which I believe is actually the big 16g. The TDOx designation refers to the center cartridge (shaft size) and turbne wheel, with an H signifying "high flow"... The compressor covers are all the same within one family with the inside being sized for the wheel used. The "cyclone" cover is larger than the typical TDO6 cover found on the 20g though. The number in the compressor wheel, say 14, is the general size, while the letter (i.e. G or B) is the "trim." The maps wil change with the letter for a given size.

The Garretts start small with the t25 found on 2gs. The next family is the T3 which has common wheels 40, 46, and 50 trim, and the super 60. The next up is the T4s. They are large. We commonly use a "hybrid" (not to be confused the hybrid meaning mitsu center and housings with garret wheels) or T3/T4. The T3 is used on the exhaust side for decent spool, since the T4s are very laggy on little 2.0 motors. The T4 compressor side is used for good flow and efficiency. The turbine wheels are typically a stage 3. For T4 it can be a stage 3 (most common) or the laggy stage 5. On the cold side the T4s consists of the wheel/housings TO4B, TO4E, and TSO4, in increasing size. The TO4b housing is good for most people, while the TO4E is the most common and fits out cars with slight denting of the front water pipe. The TSO4 is massive and really requires you to crush that pipe, sometimes you need a non turbo water pipe to make it possible. The wheels used are commonly the 50, 54, 57, 60 and 60-1 trims. There are others though. The TSO4 cover also has a 4" inlet and 2.5" outlet copared to the TO4E 3" inlet and 2" outlet. The mistu "cyclone" TDO6 cover uses the same measurements as that one for in/outlet.

Garret now has the new ballistic series used in turbos from SBR, PTE, and others. We use the GT30 family of turbos. The trim numbers are confusing, but the numbers are similar to the T4 series. My next turbo being built now uses the largest wheel in this family, the GT14. SBRs website details a lot of the GT stuff.

Confusing things further, there are now 3 companies making cusotm turbine housing for use with our cars and garret turbos to eliminate the machining that makes them "hybrids." The PTE and FP housings are for the conventional garret turbos, while the SBR housing is specifically designed for the BB Ballist GT series. This brings the cost and wait time way down :wink: There are also a million other "big," "mutt," and "killer" turbos out there. Most of them are not worth it. There have even been options from other maker entirely like IHI.

This only scratches the surface of this topic, but I need to get some sleep already... Any specific questions or clarification needed, just ask. :wink: If I dont know the answer I can find it.

Thanks. I was hoping that someone with more patience than I , would come along and clarify all that. :bigthumb: And I knew FP red and green are individually not a "series" . I was referring to both of them as being a "series"....well ......if 2 is a series:redface:

That did take some patience... I was about to snap by the end of it... lol. :iceslolan The agravating part is I know so much more that poeple might find useful, but it just takes so damn long to put it all into words, never mind typing it... lol

What do you know about the rare and elusive 30V (correct designation?) Mitsu turbo.

thanks for spending the time to clarify our questions/arguments(which where dumb tired people typing bs) about different turbos and identifying them. i sincerely appreciated it. although i will have to read it a couple of times to fully understand everything that you said.lol. thanks again.

WRX, I honestly know nothing of that turbo. If you come across any info by all means let me know.

95, I'm glad you found the info useful. I really should put together a more comprehensive write up of all the DSM turbos. I have a folder full of posts I saved so I can cut and paste, that would be a good article. MAybe one night when I'm bored at work, heh.

Think I found it. The TF-08 30V. Apparently capable of 900 Hp ....:bloated:

Link for ya.http://www.conleyracing.com/Article_Turbochargers.htm

Theres a ton of shit to wade througth but its in there.:bigthumb:


And in here also http://www.vfaq.net/mods/10faq.html


Its a 1200 cfm turbo. Nice. :bigthumb:

Thats a big ass turbo :iceslolan I Wonder why no one has tried it. The turbine wheel must be huge, pushing lag out of our range. Thats the only good thing about the large T4 wheels, we can just slap them on a t3 turbine side...

From what tiny tidbits I've read in other places , that particular turbo was never imported to the US in any configuration , and is fairly rare even in Japan , and also not in production anymore . And as you said , there are tons of hybrids to take up the slack .