For sale.

Okay, go herehttp://www.carspy.net/newPictures/a283asmall.jpg (http://www.carspy.net/Market?viewCar=true&source=fromSearch&year=1995&make=McLaren&model=F1%20GTR%20(Le%20Mans)&carnumber=a283), and if that doesn't work go here.http://www.carspy.net/newPictures/a283asmall.jpg (http://www.carspy.net/index.html)

I kind of don't believe a McLaren F1 would be on sale for so long without anyone buying it.

After looking for a bit, I found where I had seen that pic before.

This is the greatest McLaren of them all, the 1995 overall winner at Le Mans. Never raced before and never raced since - absolutely beyond price.

from http://www.cottingham.co.uk/macf1/gtr.htm

I'm assuming that's why nobody has bought it.


I hope the pic comes through.

BTW, It's a GT model for those who want to know.

And to me it looks like Supercars.net is infinging Tim's copyright:
http://www.plus4.freeserve.co.uk/macf1/mac015.jpghttp://www.carspy.net/newPictures/a283a.jpg

YUp, I'm going to stay out of this though. Tim probably took the shots himself.

Yep, Tim did take all the McLaren and Aston Martin photos you see on his site.

If I had a million bucks at all even if it was for me to live off of for the rest of my life i would go to Newport Autosport and buy thier Mclaren, it has been there for a bout 2 years, just waiting for me to buy it. if i ever see mr bean i will castrate him with one of those KFC sporks, then feed his bits and pieces to a stray alley cat. what an idiot!

This McLaren you guys post on this site, only had one race in its hold racing life. and it never raced since.

The reason was that Sultan of Brunei bought it right after it is on sale. and in fact, the sultan has 8 Mclarens, and his Brother has 3 (one Strech, two GT road version). Because the Sultan's brother's business was bankcruped, they might auction these cars. but the Sultan claims that he will never sell any of his beloved McLaren or Ferrari!:bandit:

that McLaren doesn't have the split window.

yeah, coz you can't open the window at all

Not for fresh air but for structural purposes maybe. I would hope the F1 would not need for the window to be opened. as for Rowan atkinson (Mr. Bean) I doubt it was his fault so please leave him alone with your newfangled Sporks.

Yeah well said...

i bet a car like McLaren is very hard to control, i mean, 0-100 in 3.2 seconds... that is lighting... my Diablo Roadster goes 3.9, its a 4wd and it is hard to drive, especailly in a trafic peak hour. and the mcLaren is rear, when you in a rush, the tires are like spining every where....

now that link has a CLK-GTR on sale..... I'll take the Mclaren instead please :D

his Brother has 3 (one Strech, two GT road version).

huh??? one stretch- i'm guessing that would be the GT(longtail) version. two Gt road version? i'm guessing the normal F1?

I wish i can buy it
CLK GTR - i love it
F1 - amazing

There are currently 4 cars for sale worldwide. I travelled to Germany with a client in March. He purchased the car. $1.3M.

It will be interesting to see what competition the new Bugatti Veyron can give the McLaren.

well he got ripped off.... i saw one sell on ebay for 900k

He didn't get ripped off. The McLarens are a different breed. There are cars that are well maintained and cars that are not. The cars that are well maintained are worth considerable more than the others even considering they may have many miles, because the service requirements for the car are terribly excessive. I have seen cars with 16,000km and in perfect condition and current service status, whereas I have also seen cars with 900km and in such bad condition, that the car would need a serious service update on the order of $100-150,000. On the other hand, the car that "sold" on Ebay, didn't really sell. That car, as well as many others that have been posted on Ebay for sale, are usually only feelers. The seller (not necessarily the actual owner-usually not) is trying to basically advertise the car. McLarens are never purchased sight unseen. Whether the buyer personally goes to see the car he is buying or not does not really matter, but I assure you that someone that is very qualified will inspect the car to the smallest detail. I personally inspect every car that I sell, no matter where it is located. But even I will not stand in the place of a McLaren technician, as every car I sell or pursue to sell, will also be inspected by McLaren. As you would expect, they know all of their cars quite well, with very few exceptions.

The right car for the buyer is worth whatever it takes to get that correct. In that case, the car had other import fees associated with it that were included in the price. Buying and importing a McLaren F1 into many countries is something that I would recommend no new owner consider attempting on their own. It is a process that is prone to middlemen and exaggerated fees. Having done this for a while, I know where to send a car for what service and what process and have personal faith in that company to perform the work I have allocated to them. Without knowing what each business can do and do right, I am at their mercy. With a McLaren that is not a good position to be in and I am not willing to be so under any circumstance with my buyers newly acquired car.

All said and done, any McLaren with all services up to date will normally run $1.3-1.5M regardless of the country of destination, the US and England being the most expensive and most difficult to import. Of course there are some exceptions, but few. I try to be ready with my clients if any such opportunities arise.

Still want one? :)

IIRC, I saw a special on (pre-NASCAR) Speedvision about how the racecars were actually DETUNED versions of the streetcar, to make for "fair competition".

Also, they probably have plexiglass sliding windows (ala Ferrari Challenge), mainly to further cut weight and allow easier ventilation

Not only were the cars detuned, but weight was also added to more closely match the cars in its class. The glas was replaced on all except the windshield for safety. In an accident, the glass is a problem, the lexan is stronger and does not fracture like glass. For the windshield, that is "Safety Glass" with the reinforced plastic sheet laminated between the glass panes, it is stronger and safer (when fractured) than lexan, so all the race cars have glass windshields. NASCAR runs plexiglass windshields, but not FIA. That is open for discussion, but I know that to be the case for the McLaren GTR. In fact, I have video of a piece of tire getting kicked up by a Porsche GT2 class and hitting the windshield. I don't remember which race it was, but it was quite a problem that day. Something like 10 cars had cracked windshields or debri that went competely through the glass.

All said and done with regearing and stronger transmissions, lower stance, considerably different suspension mods, front spliter, undertray aerodynamics, rear wing, roll cage and other mods, the GTRs were quicker, but not faster than the road car.

A GTR is faster to 100 than the roadcar, but the roadcar will outrun the GTR in top end. The roadcar will also go faster than the LM in top speed, but again, not in 0-100 times. As you all, I am sure, know, the LM is a road going version of the GTR without the limits of the rulebook, so it is faster still than the GTR.

XOTech has the coolest job in the world!!

hope you don't mind me asking, but i have some questions. how did you get your job? how long have you had it? stuff like that..

Hermunn, I sell cars because I love exotic and classic cars. It really isn't my occupation. I find that by selling car, I have far more access to see so many wonderful cars. It gives me a chance to travel and see cars that would otherwise never be seen, such as the McLaren, where very few are ever seen in public.

I have been heavily involved in cars for nearly 20 years. I don't plan on ending that involvement any time soon, either. The only thing that would possibly remove my involvement in selling exotic cars is the acquisition of a McLaren. I would need every possible moment to enjoy the car. So far I am on track to accomplish that goal in 3-5 years. Meantime, there are many other cars that I will be quite content with.

Well XOTech, this is like 2 15-year-old friends. You are the one that just had sex. You have seen a real Mac. Now you have to tell us everything.
I assume you took a seat, and, oh my god, did you ever drive one -- no -- did you? Is it like I think it is?

Sikh,

The McLaren is a car like no other. I have sold some very interesting cars. Some that are very notable, some that are just expensive. Still the McLaren is different. It is different just to stand next to one. I am working on selling my 4th McLaren. I have seen 5 McLarens at different places all over the world. I never get tired of seeing the car or spending time with them.

I have a client here in the states that I have been working with for some time. He owns a McLaren. I have spent quite a bit of time with his current car. It is unbelievable. He repainted the car to his preferred color and it is breath-taking.

With all of the cars I have driven, I have never asked to drive any owner's car. I won't ask. I let them offer the opportunity to me. This makes the experience that much more memorable to me and it makes a very good impression on the owner. I want him to be comfortable enough with me that he would trust me with his car. In the case of a McLaren, that is a very serious matter. Keep in mind that a McLaren in the US is worth around $1.3-1.6Million. That is not something that normal people should even drive if given the chance. The cost of the car is scary when you are responsible for it.

I have sat in almost all of the cars I have seen, but I have not had the priveledge of driving a car yet. Worldwide, there are very few McLarens for sale or sold. Having only seen 5 in person, the time will come.

Consider this; How many Chevys did you see before you were able to drive one? Easily problably thousands. Or how many Lamborghinis did I see before I was able to drive one?? Hundreds of cars. Same goes for Ferraris. But without question, the time will come. I suppose I am more patient than most. I have driven Lamborghinis and Ferraris of nearly all colors and models and I remember almost all of them.

I am very involved in these cars and it is an undeniable goal of mine to own a McLaren at some point. Likewise, I assure you I will drive one before I buy one.

For now, sitting in the cars is quite impressive and very entertaining. Upon owning one, I would most certainly sit in the car in the garage for hours at a time not going anywhere. :)

hey man, welcome to AF, hope you like it here and decide to stick around for a long while. feel free to explore all the forums, i'm sure you'll get a warm welcome there too.

hey XO, did you have anything to do with the sultan of brunei's F1's? i hear he has 8 :eek:

Dolci - As you sift around here in the McLaren Threads, you will find quite a few posts that I have made on various questions and comments. Your question has been asked a few times, but here goes... I have always loved the exotics, and my fascinations were not satisfied with simply looking at magazines and hitting the local car shows with the hopeful possibility of seeing a Lamborghini. To fill my desire of spending more time and enjoying the high end exotics, I found that by selling them, I could enjoy the cars, be financially rewarded for my efforts, and get the chance to travel and see some of the most exclusive, exotic cars in the world. ---In a nutshell.

Snowboarder - Good research. Word has it that the Sultan has (had) 8 McLarens. Aside from the various sources of information, it is nearly impossible to fully confirm that he indeed did buy or even still has all 8 cars. The colors are unknown for the most part as well. As you may also know, it is incredibly difficult to purchase cars from the Sultan's collection. Despite the fact that there are rows and rows of cars that go completely unused for years at a time, he is still unwilling to part with them. There are a few cars that do slip out. I have not seen any of his McLarens come available. If that ever were the case, I would be very quick to inquire and go view the car for various clients that have running interest.

Actually, there are seven F1s available for sale. xo Richard is correct is some aspects. I was not aware that he has sold any cars. There are 16 cars in the US, 9 more owned by US citizens.

Hey guys as many of you know I pretended to own a Mclaren and finally fessed up about it. I was a very confused individual. One day I wanted to be an engineer, the next a lawyer, the next an architect and the next a computer programmer. Almost all of the professions I thought of doing i only chose because i heard of people making big time bucks in those fields. I wasn't sure about anything but my love for cars. When i started to put everything into perspective I found that what I loved was only cars. I decided I want to go to school for business so that when i get out I can get a job as a car salesman for an exclusive dealership. I would love to sell ferrari's and lamborghini's, but I know you could only get those positions with time and experience. I finally realized that everyone wants to own an exotic car, but the fact is not everyone can, because if they could than they wouldn't be exotic. I would rather be involved in selling them than not be involved with them at all. XOTech your seem to be involved in the sale of exotic cars. Do you think that the route i have chose to travel is the right one to do what I want. Do you think that by having a degree in business that would make me more marketable among the more exclusive dealerships. If not, what route would be better for me to take so that one day i will be able to at least sell these wonderfully beautiful automobiles. Any insight to this would be extremely appreciated. Oh yeah, sorry for the long post.

Oh one more thing. I was wondering what field of business would be better for me study so i could accomplish my goal. Accounting, Management, Finance, Marketing, Business Economics, or Business Administration.

Hey 2cooljay, it looks like we are interested in the same thing. Selling exotic cars is my backup plan if I don't become a mechaical engineer.

Don't forget me! I just some stuff back from BMW today on thier intership program!

Originally posted by JE123
Hey 2cooljay, it looks like we are interested in the same thing. Selling exotic cars is my backup plan if I don't become a mechaical engineer.
That is kinda weird man. I was at school studying to be a mechanical engineer but it didn't work out. The program was extremely hard and I hated the University I was at. But I still want a degree so I figured i'd go to another school and get a degree in business. If you want to sell high class auto's the only way to obtain a position is to have a degree or a lot of years of experience. But its easier with a degree. XOTech give me some feed back please.

Gentlemen,

There is no single sure thing to make big money in life. There are many ways to make a decent living, but very few to make that big money income. That said, there are some that have made a considerable amount of money by selling cars. However, there are very few. Like any business, selling cars has several different levels. One can sell many smaller, everyday cars and get a small commission (sometimes volume still pays off well). Others can sell a few higher end cars and exotics. One may not be all that much more profitable than the other. The exotic car market is very flashy, but very harsh. There are no guaranteed commissions when selling exotics as a broker. If you want to make really good money with relatively fixed commissions, sell houses.

Seriously, I have mentioned elsewhere in the forum before that selling the exotics is a bit of a hobby for me. I do not depend solely on the income from selling cars. I enjoy the cars and the time I get to spend with so many different and very rare cars. My profession is two-fold. First of all, I am an Engineer. Through the years, being an Engineer has provided me with great stability that few other jobs can provide with a very respectible income. Secondly, I am a businessman. I work with a variety of start-up companies that range in different product and/or service approaches as well as those I have personally started.

I notice that several of you have mentioned that you either are studying for or are interested in becoming an Engineer. Above all else, I will always be an Engineer. I am very fond of the technical side of things and what makes things work. That appreciation is why I love the McLaren so much. Every aspect of the car was designed with the utmost in efficiency in mind.

This car was fore sale a while ago:
http://www.plus4.freeserve.co.uk/macf1/mac035.jpg
the ad was a half page in some english car magazine, but they didn't mentioned how much they wanted for it.