Bang for the Buck

What modifications for the G20(esp. P10) produce the most horsepower per dollar? I'm asking because funds are limited and I want to make sure I don't spend my money on something that adds a small amount of HP. I'm thinking probably intake, exhaust, and headers are a good value. ;)

-Steve B.

Originally posted by kheetar
What modifications for the G20(esp. P10) produce the most horsepower per dollar? I'm asking because funds are limited and I want to make sure I don't spend my money on something that adds a small amount of HP. I'm thinking probably intake, exhaust, and headers are a good value. ;)

Best bang for the buck is by far a turbo. But, I think you meant cheaper than that.

OK, here you go.

A good tune-up, especially combined with dyno tuning
Header
JWT S3 cams
JWT C2 cams w/valve springs
CAI
UR underdrive pulleys
ECU

Originally posted by P10DET

JWT S3 cams
JWT C2 cams w/valve springs

But you only need one of these. :D:D:D

Originally posted by P10DET
OK, here you go.

P10DET is one knowledge-able person. You know everything don't you. Don't be modest.

P10DET . I have not seen you G yet. Why not. If I had a turbo in mine, I would show everybody and they mama. Whats up. Post a pic o sumthin.

Originally posted by Mrcoilover


P10DET is one knowledge-able person. You know everything don't you. Don't be modest.

P10DET . I have not seen you G yet. Why not. If I had a turbo in mine, I would show everybody and they mama. Whats up. Post a pic o sumthin.

Not trying to be an ASS, but where the hell have you been for the last month? :rolleyes:

Go here:
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t9460.html

He's in the November Issue of Sport Compact!!!! Or you could click on the link that goes to his homepage at the bottom of his post.

The link is: http://home.earthlink.net/~geo3/

Originally posted by Mrcoilover
P10DET . I have not seen you G yet. Why not. If I had a turbo in mine, I would show everybody and they mama. Whats up. Post a pic o sumthin. [/B]

what? speak english. :p

Originally posted by NismoPC
Not trying to be an ASS, but where the hell have you been for the last month? :rolleyes:

Wise guy ehhh.:cyclops:

Another one I just found out about is a 91 intake cam, or one of out a 10:1 Primera motor (some of the JDM motors that have been imported here in the US have this cam, this is the one I got). I picked mine up for under $75 and it make a very noticeable difference. Probably more than any other mod i've done so far. Lightening the stock flywheel made a big difference as well and that was about $100-125, but there is a LOT of work involved in the install on this mod. All the ones P10DET listed are very good too, CAI and header especially, because of the lower price.:D

Originally posted by bump909


what? speak english. :p

How's this english for ya?



Ya jackazz:finger: :D

Originally posted by NismoPC
Not trying to be an ASS, but blah blah blah

I still saw no pictures of his car w/ the turbo in it.

what? you haven't picked up the new SCC with Geo's article in it? what are you, a communist?? :D

Originally posted by bump909
what? you haven't picked up the new SCC with Geo's article in it? what are you, a communist?? :D

Nah. I tried to get it when everybody just started talking about it, but they didn't have it in yet. Now I just haven't got around to getting it, but I will go and swoop it up today. But it's the red G20?

Originally posted by Mrcoilover


Nah. I tried to get it when everybody just started talking about it, but they didn't have it in yet. Now I just haven't got around to getting it, but I will go and swoop it up today. But it's the red G20?

I would have thought someone who is trying to hide something as big as communism would be able to come up with a better excuse than that :D There is no good excuse for not having SCC, other than everywhere within a 350 mile radius doesn't have it in stock and there is a black hole located in the center of my mailbox so I can't pick up my subsription copy of SCC due to the magazine being located past the event horizon. :D hehehehe

Originally posted by JustinP10


I would have thought someone who is trying to hide something as big as communism would be able to come up with a better excuse than that :D There is no good excuse for not having SCC, other than everywhere within a 350 mile radius doesn't have it in stock and there is a black hole located in the center of my mailbox so I can't pick up my subsription copy of SCC due to the magazine being located past the event horizon. :D hehehehe

Yall quit hatin on me. I usually get Super Street anyway. I'ma go get it ASAP so yall will leave me the hell alone.:bloated: :cry: :huh: :silly: :toothless

When you installed the SR20DET in your G20 were you able to install the other mods from the old DE on the DET(e.g. header, cams, other stuff you listed above...)?

-Steve B.

Originally posted by kheetar
When you installed the SR20DET in your G20 were you able to install the other mods from the old DE on the DET(e.g. header, cams, other stuff you listed above...)?

I didn't (and still don't) have cams in my P10. You cannot retain the header when you go turbo. I did keep the UR underdrive pulleys. I would have kept the lightened flywheel, but I got an aluminum one instead. That was it for engine mods.

Basically, you should be able to use all but the CAI and header.

Originally posted by Mrcoilover
P10DET is one knowledge-able person. You know everything don't you. Don't be modest.

Shoot son, not hardly. If I do anything right it's probably reading a lot, figuring out who knows what, and listening to them. I also try really hard to understand why they are saying something so when a slightly different situation comes around, I can figure it out for myself. I must say that almost everything I've learned about the SR20 powered cars has come from reading the SE-R Mailing List. Hell, my car was bone stock when I got on that list 5 years ago.


Originally posted by Mrcoilover
I have not seen you G yet. Why not. If I had a turbo in mine, I would show everybody and they mama. Whats up. Post a pic o sumthin.

Yeah, I've been really busy since I finished the article. I have been meaning to shoot some photos, but just half-assed photos won't do. :D I have to detail the car on a weekend that the weather is good. Then I'll take a bunch. For engine photos, I can't do any better than the ones I have in SCC. They have the originals (slides) and I cannot reproduce them anyway since McMullen-Argus has the rights to them for some time.

Originally posted by P10DET
They have the originals (slides) and I cannot reproduce them anyway since McMullen-Argus has the rights to them for some time.

What would the legalities be if I were to scan the article and pictures and post it on a website for the forum to read? Is that copyright infringement (sp?) or whatever they call it?

If not, I'll do it tomorrow.

Let me know.

Then MrCoilover could read the article, see the pics and be happy. :silly2: Just playn' with ya! But atleast it would be available to all members who do or don't have the magazine.

Each store I go to didn't even have a copy for me to pick up. Guess I'll be going to a bookstore instead.

Originally posted by NismoPC
What would the legalities be if I were to scan the article and pictures and post it on a website for the forum to read? Is that copyright infringement (sp?) or whatever they call it?

Absolutely. That is considered publishing. In fact, if McMullen-Argus were to publish it on the web, I would be entitled to addition payment.

You could only legally post it to the web with expressed written consent.

OH DAMNIT!

Originally posted by P10DET
You could only legally post it to the web with expressed written consent.
So no implied oral consent? ;)

Originally posted by Mrcoilover


Yall quit hatin on me. I usually get Super Street anyway. I'ma go get it ASAP so yall will leave me the hell alone.:bloated: :cry: :huh: :silly: :toothless


Superstreet is almost an all honda mag

Originally posted by Swonder67



Superstreet is almost an all honda mag

Not necessarily. But what magazine isn't. It has plenty other stuff. I don't see many civics anymore.

Originally posted by Swonder67



Superstreet is almost an all honda mag

and it's not even a good honda mag

Were you able to retain the JWT POP Charger after installing the DET? From the pictures in SCC it looks like you did.

I picked up the mag and still didn't see any pictures of the whole car. Just saw the engine. What up with that. Is your car not cosmetically modified yet or something?

If you read the article, it states that he kept the look of the car as stock as possible. It has been lowered a bit and has some aftermarket rims that are quite stock looking. His web site had a few pics of the car, but I do not think he has posted any more recent shots of the exterior as of yet.

George, how's 'bout some new exterior shots for the man. Did you wash the car yet. :D

Originally posted by kheetar
Were you able to retain the JWT POP Charger after installing the DET? From the pictures in SCC it looks like you did.

Yes I did.

Originally posted by Mrcoilover
I picked up the mag and still didn't see any pictures of the whole car. Just saw the engine. What up with that. Is your car not cosmetically modified yet or something?

Well now, I guess you'll just have to wait and see won't you?

Originally posted by NismoPC
If you read the article, it states that he kept the look of the car as stock as possible. It has been lowered a bit and has some aftermarket rims that are quite stock looking. His web site had a few pics of the car, but I do not think he has posted any more recent shots of the exterior as of yet.

George, how's 'bout some new exterior shots for the man. Did you wash the car yet. :D

Actually, my 17" wheels look like anything but stock. What I wrote was that other than the aftermarket wheels, the exterior looks pretty much stock. In fact, it would take a somewhat discerning eye to even get an inkling of what it's capable of.

One of these days I'll get some updated photos. Last weekend I was racing the SCCA ITS SE-R I drive in a 6 hour race on Saturday. I only got one lap in at 40 mph because we lost the shift linkage as I was leaving the pits for what was supposed to be my first stint. When I came in we found the SS brake line was worn through from rubbing the wheel. :( Took us the entire rest of the race to get it fixed since we had to buy a line. We got a brake line from a Nissan light truck and modified it. On Sunday, Greg Amy (came within less than a quarter lap of being SSB national champion in an NX2000 in 92) qualified the car second in class for the sprint race and drove it to third in class. First podium finish for the car.

So, I've been busy. This weekend is the geekout, and any extra time I have will likely be spent working on stripping the interior of my Porsche 944 so I can start turning it into a race car.

I may get a chance this weekend though. I do have film now at least.

you guys read Stupid Street? can you say RICE?

anyway, best bang for the buck...spend $90 and show up at Button Willow Race Track and see what your car can really do and then start modifying in the areas that you think the car lacks.
:)

Tires needed help... brakes were good.... suspension was good... kept getting passed on the straights :mad: since then it's been power mods :D

Originally posted by G22DET
you guys read Stupid Street? can you say RICE?

anyway, best bang for the buck...spend $90 and show up at Button Willow Race Track and see what your car can really do and then start modifying in the areas that you think the car lacks.
:)

Hey, i resent that. If I recall, the last SS I got had the battle of the Sylvias. 4 incl (S15 SR20DET:XS engineering prototype:F-Max stage 1
and F-Max stage 2) Isn't that what your looking at?
:D
SS has a variety of cars in it.

they also took pictures of many japanese tuner cars such as, my favorite, Spoon Integra Type R...but read their articles and u'll know why they are called Stupid Street.

actually, i didn't like that article. One of the cars in there, I know the owner. And while they did a decent job of representing the cars, i think SCC would have done a much better job. There are some really cool things he has done to his 240 that they didn't mention, and some of the stuff they did do (like the dyno runs) were off from what he normally runs. Speaking of which, he just broke 300rwhp (319 i think) on the stock KA motor!!! damn! (well he has cams). I think the numbers even suprised him :D BTW. his was the white 97 with the white NISMO rims, nissan front lip, side skirts, etc... His car is the NICEST street driven Nissan in Az i think. (other than the Skylines or the S15 at the Nissan Test Center, but those are a different league of cars)

Originally posted by G22DET
but read their articles and u'll know why they are called Stupid Street.

Meaning that their info was not really accurate, and/or just plain stupid?
I've only bought a SSC once to get George's article, but it seemed as if their wasn't much in the magazine. Just my 2c's. I guess it's in the literature.

:buck

Yes... I actually read SCC. I truthfully don't even really look at a lot of the pictures, or any of the ads. Just the articles. NO, really... I just get it for the articles :D

Originally posted by JustinP10
BTW. his was the white 97 with the white NISMO rims, nissan front lip, side skirts, etc... His car is the NICEST street driven Nissan in Az i think.

Yeh, that white one is pretty damn tight.

SCC isnt much to look at??? C'mon!!!! they cover all kinds of motorsports from rally to drag to track...their articles are pretty technical and the editors actually know what they are talking about...we even went out on the tracks together one time..talk about coolness :cool:

Originally posted by JustinP10
Tires needed help... brakes were good.... suspension was good... kept getting passed on the straights :mad: since then it's been power mods :D

Don't be so sure you're down on power. Most passing that occurs on the straights is not the result of more power. It's usually the result of better lines and being able to get on the power earlier.

Originally posted by JustinP10
Speaking of which, he just broke 300rwhp (319 i think) on the stock KA motor!!! damn! (well he has cams).

Gee, I'll bet he has a lot more than that. :D

maybe he also has spark plugs AND hyper whites...

Actually, he has HID lights (very very nice and i'm very very jealous :D ) Yeah, he has more than just cams, but that's what he's been working with to try and get a better power curve (for his tastes), and it appears he's succeeded (sp?) and found the correct set. What i should have said was, at the moment he has done no bottom end work, to my knowledge. He's the nicest guy too. I am extremely jealous of his car, and everytime i see it, i want to start on a silvia project with a 97 240sx. I'd have to go sr20 though... couldn't use the KA motor.

Originally posted by P10DET


Best bang for the buck is by far a turbo. But, I think you meant cheaper than that.

OK, here you go.

A good tune-up, especially combined with dyno tuning
Header
JWT S3 cams
JWT C2 cams w/valve springs
CAI
UR underdrive pulleys
ECU

Assuming that this setup will net 175 hp, why not Turbo! I mean here is a price list for the above items:

Header = $400.00
JWT S3 = $529.00
JWT C2 = $1300.00
CAI = $200.00
UR Pulleys = $165.00
ECU = $500.00

If you go with the S3's the total would be = $1794.00.
If you go with the C2's the total would be = $2565.00.

Now, you can very easily build a turbo kit that will produce close to 200 hp for about the same price!

Here is a price list:

Used Bluebird T25, Manifold, J-Pipe, & 370 cc Injectors = $750.00
Used DSM 1st Gen BOV = $25.00
Starion IC = $150.00
Spearco IC = $450.00
IC Piping = $500.00
ECU = $500.00
Misc. Items = $500.00

If you go the with the Starion IC the total would be = $2425.00
If you go with the Spearco IC the total would be = $2725.00

I would rather spend the extra $200.00 - $500.00 to build a turbo car.

How much more horsepower can you get out of a bone stock SR20DE with the addition of a header and a CAI?

Thanks.

depends on the header and depends on the intake. I would say maybe 15 hp total.

Originally posted by Swonder67
depends on the header and depends on the intake. I would say maybe 15 hp total.
Yeah that should be pretty close.