Something on my mind...

Ok. We cant import the Skyline becuase of among other things, emissions. Right? Well then tell me this. Why is it that people such as Unstable Hybrids and for that matter, you and me and even can purchase used RB series engine/tranny combos? I mean, to me this seems likes its alot of double talk going on. The same goes with JDM Honda/Acura, Subaru and Toyota engines. If I can secure the engine and all it takes to install it, why cant I just buy the whole car instead and save myself the hassle of an engine swap?

Also, I came up with a plan. We cant have the car becuase of the engine, correct? Well then what if we just buy the car without an engine and drop in an SR20DET or whatever Turbo/TwinTurbo engine they had in the 300ZX of late. They cant make an engineless car conform to emissions standards. And if you put in an engine that already conforms to the standards there should be no problem. So therefore, I am off to shop for a Skyline(Hell, why not an R32/33 GT-R?) that has no engine. Im pretty sure that theyll probably ship it to somewhere close and Ill be able to flatbed it or tow it to my house, and the government should have no problem with me owning an engineless automobile. In fact, I dont think that there is much they can say about it.

Another reason that the GT-R has to go through many many conversions and modifications before it is street legal in the US is because the GT-R does not pass the US crash tests. Motorex has figured all of this stuff out. They modify the car to pass emissions standards and crash tests, and I'm sure there's more that I can't think of right now (just got off work and haven't eaten dinner yet). If you buy a GT-R w/ no engine, and then put an engine from a car that does pass the emissions, you still will not be street legal.

Lauren

Im not buyin it. The Motorex cars dont look modified in any way shape or form from the way they are in Japan. I know for a fact they dont crash test each time they import one. So they have gotten more than enough of their money back from the original ones they tested. Cut the shit. Figuratively speaking, We all know that it doesnt cost 15-17k to put a fucking catalytic converter on an engine. Even if they have to hand fab it, it still dont cost that much.(I know there is probably more to it than that, but what it entails, I dont know exactly). Personally, I think they have quite a racket going on, and somehow they are keeping it legal. Personally, I think the government should have gone after them, rather than Bill Gates, as Motorex is more of a MONOPOLY than Microsoft ever could be. Think about it, they are basically laughing at us and saying you do it ou way or you dont do it at all, and theres nothing you can do about it. Its bullshit. I think that the vehicle importation laws are bullshit too. I dont know who came up with them, but they were full of it. Fuck the auto makers, I should be able to import and drive what I want, when I want to. Slap me with a fee for it to enter the country and up the Title and Lisence cost, but dammit let me drive what I want to.

Mark my words. I will find a way to get an engineless R32 GTS25t into the country and drive it legally on the roads.

Here is a post from the Fresh Alloy forum from the main guy at Motorex (I'm 99.99% sure his name is Sean), explaining part of what they go through to make 1 Skyline legal in the US, and what they've gone through to be able to get it approved to begin with.

Anyone can do the same thing we have done. All you have to do is legalize them for the US. You know easy stuff like crash testing and emissions certification.

Priopertary information does not a monopoly make.

I posted this to another thread...I'll repost it here... something to give you an idea of the US rules and regulations..


Paperwork would be the very ,very easy explaination and a wrong one. But if you actually want to know what we
have/had to do in order to legalize the Skyline first get familar with the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards...
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/FMVSS/index.html

So first read though that to get familar with the standards.

Then you can check this page for some more information -
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/

That starts to go into the DOT information. Thats the start of it and you haven't even seen a car yet...

But wait lets look at some more documentation first...just words first..or the paperwork side...

The EPA - keeping our environment safe
http://www.epa.gov/

But wait theres more , and I am making it easy..I already found all these sites..

You want to import a car into California ? California has its own EPA the CARB
http://www.arb.ca.gov/homepage.htm

And they have their own rules and regulations.

So you think you are though all the paperwork ? Nope not yet...forgot all about the US Customs Service
http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/

So now you have a grasp of the rules and regulations.

Now lets talk about crash testing , emissions testing , DOT legal parts that do not exist for the Skyline.

Yes we did crash testing to certify the Skyline. There is no substaincially similar model sold in the US...

Emissions testing - the RB26DETT was not a legal engine until we did the certification on the motor.

Each and every vehicle that we import , we pay customs tarriffs on , we pay for the bonds , we modifiy the emission system to comply with US standards , we test every vehicles emission system , we add structual support that requires us to remove the entire interior , we modify the speedometer ,add a US VIN , add US required labeling,etc,etc ,each modification is photo documented , put into a package and sent to the DOT , there is a 30 day DOT hold on each vehicle , there is a 15 day EPA hold , and if the car is for California it goes to the smog referee, is tested, and then there is a 5 day California hold.

No it is not just "paperwork". If it were paperwork and it were so easy...wouldn't we , shouldn't we be seeing S15's
, Lancer Evos ,22Bs , A-Class ,Lotus Omegas , Holdens , and lots of other "unobtainables" here in the US ?



This is just a little bit of info for everybody who wants to import a Skyline w/o an engine themselves. The legal importation process doesn't only involve emissions testing.

Lauren

They aren't preventing competition in any way. All it takes is the knowledge and $$$. So far, nobody has had enough of either to step up. Until then, Motorex will be the only place to get JDM Skyline GT-Rs in the US. You can't compare MotoRex to Microsoft in any way. Microsoft basically stomped out its competition. Motorex hasn't had ANY competition to speak of. Remember that it wouldn't be a monopoly if they had SOME competition. If you think you can compete and sell them for less $$$, do it! You would have my full support. Otherwise, people should either quit complaining or do something about it.

it seems every time i want to comment on something that i have learned, somebody beats me too it, so from now on, everytime a question like this comes up, just imagine me in the backgrund going "yeah, what he said"

it seems every time i want to comment on something that i have learned, somebody beats me too it, so from now on, everytime a question like this comes up, just imagine me in the backgrund going "yeah, what he said"

No it is not just "paperwork". If it were paperwork and it were so easy...wouldn't we , shouldn't we be seeing S15's
, Lancer Evos ,22Bs , A-Class ,Lotus Omegas , Holdens , and lots of other "unobtainables" here in the US ? [/b]



I'm new to this forum but what caught my attention was that someone had posted the crash test data from motorex on the internet. I'm pretty sure that some others also have it, along with the EPA, and DOT paper work needed. With that being said, the crash test data said that it is similar to a "limited edition 240sx" Also it has what needs to be modified. if you need to do some soul searching the time is now. Your skyline is waiting for you out there.... you just need to download it.

i'm so amazed.
there is so much information on this topic available on this board, and yet people still don't get it.

crash certification doesn't mean modifying the exterior of a car.

did you know that euro market ferrari's don't require side impact beams in the doors?
how could you tell if your car had them from just looking at it from the outside?
oh wait, you can't.

i really wish people would start talking about legitimate topics instead of complaining about a topic that is older than dirt and has been rehashed so many times that it's unrecognizable.

Are you serious, you cant import a Nissan Silvia S15? That is so bullshit... well if you can can't, let me know on

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Thanks, Brian

If you do your research, the info on importing them is out there. Yes, CO2 emissions and crash safety are the number one reasons why the government cracks down on Skylines. If you try to import one straight out, you'll arrive at the port with a customs agent sitting next to the crate with your car, and chances are he'll drive off with it. As for motorex, they went out of business several years ago, I wonder why? Because skylines aren't worth the 30- 100k price ranges they're put in. If you can manage to find an R33 made between March 1996 to the end of 1999( known as the series 2 r33, only differences being cosmetic) then you can import it, no questions ask as long as the original title and all vin's are in place. Motorex crash tested the Series 2 ONLY. The series 1 isn't availiable for import because it doesn't have a passenger side airbag, even though it's the same car. The car passed CO2 emissions, so it's perfectly legal. Just make sure you have the title shipped ahead of the car. As for R32's and R34's, motorex, and other companies along with private owners have them imported completely unassembled. When they arrive they are put back together and thereas registered as a "kit car", which is basically a car built from scratch. No different than a road legal rail buggy. The car is then insured as a modified nissan of some sort, and rates are extremely high. After any car of any sort is over 25 years old however, they can be imported here regardless of what they are. An early eighties skyline back to when they were made as a prince skyline back in the fifties are completely legal right now. They have to be insured as what they are though, which is obviously hard. If you've looked, you'll find a lot of r32's in Canada. Canada's law on importation is any car over fifteen years old is completey legal to import. This year they began importing Series 1 R33's, so in two years they'll have the Series 2. My suggestion is wait until Canada has the Series 2 and buy from them. Canadian Skylines are much cheaper than US Skylines, simply because they're not hard to obtain. Changing the title from CA to a US title is a long process, but much cheaper than the alternatives. As for getting just the body... You have to hual a trailer to go get it, trailer it home, find a safe place to keep it, then order a motor. If it's just the frame, you have to get motor mounts(Which vary from skyline to skyline, be it rb20, 25, or 26) amoung everything else that applies to it: exhaust, suspension, etc.. eBay an RB series engine, or look anywhere for that matter, then try to find one that someone hasn't given absolute hell. When you realize they've all been given hell and they're still 3000- 6000, often without a transmission, it becomes obvious that it would be just as much to just go by a Skyline. US legal R32's generally go for around 12k if they are any sort of a GTS trim. GTR runs about 22k. R33s go from around 18k on GTS and 35-40k for a GTR. R34s of any kind will be at least 50k. To me, being the r32 came with the same engines, is the lightest, and the cheapest makes it the best one. Higher end GTS models and the GTR have HICAS(All wheel steering, or HIgh Capacity All wheel Steering) and lsd. You have to have cash money to buy though, because banks and credit unions can't finance a car that technically doesn't exist. That goes for Series 2(which btw can't be insured as a skyline either). So, they won't give you money for a car they've never heard of, don't know if they could resell if it were repoed, or on a car no one will insure as what it is. Can you blame them?

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