What would it take for LS to beat an ITR??

Ok, I'm going to have 1995 Integra LS 2 Door (not the one on my profile and ish). My Friend will be running a Integra Type R with Intake, Headers, Exhaust, and a 50 Shot of NOS .
What would it take for me to beat him in a 1/4 as far as Under the Hood Upgrades go? Would it take a nice Turbo System and Bolt on's? What would you guys think?

First off the LS stock 1/4 mile time=15.8-16.1 ITR=14.7-14.9
Ok if you want to beat an ITR you would have to put at least the following.But wait you then need to decide on your setup ALL MOTOR or ASPIRATED. Once you have that figured out you can start. Here is a possible turbo setup that might take the ITR.

Cold Air Intake
Header/Catback
Spoon or Mugen or Hondata Chipped ECU(One programed for the turbo)
T3/T4 Hybrid pushing 10+ psi
A really good set of 16's or 17' inch wheels
Or instead of the chipped ECU a full blown FUEL/ENGINE managment system
High flow fuel rail+injectors
Ignition system
Then last but not least HEAD WORK have someone build your head specifically for the turbo with all the necessary parts to push more psi safely. Oh yea and have someone sleeve the cylinder walls.
:iceslolan That LS should beat the ITR.

Yeah but to keep it simpler all you need is VTEC and a 55 shot to match.

Originally posted by Sid77
First off the LS stock 1/4 mile time=15.8-16.1 ITR=14.7-14.9
Ok if you want to beat an ITR you would have to put at least the following.But wait you then need to decide on your setup ALL MOTOR or ASPIRATED. Once you have that figured out you can start. Here is a possible turbo setup that might take the ITR.

Cold Air Intake
Header/Catback
Spoon or Mugen or Hondata Chipped ECU(One programed for the turbo)
T3/T4 Hybrid pushing 10+ psi
A really good set of 16's or 17' inch wheels
Or instead of the chipped ECU a full blown FUEL/ENGINE managment system
High flow fuel rail+injectors
Ignition system
Then last but not least HEAD WORK have someone build your head specifically for the turbo with all the necessary parts to push more psi safely. Oh yea and have someone sleeve the cylinder walls.
:iceslolan That LS should beat the ITR.

an engine swap. also you don't use a header for a turbo set up, you would need a turbo manifold. and if you wanna race, how about some 15's w/ some 205/50/15 tires. def. fuel management if your gonna go turbo, then hondata stage 3b. swap a itr engine in ur car and build that up. lot's of different ways to do it, but ya if your gonna go turbo, then def have darton or golden eagle sleeve your block

Isn't your car also an auto???

ls/vtec...

simple as that.

if he sprays, u spray.

Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00
ls/vtec...

simple as that.

if he sprays, u spray.

Thanks for all ure replys.. but u think if a I drop in a nice LS/Vtec and some NOS it will be able to keep up? got some good tech stuff to explain that? I would like to know. Oh yah. AND NO its not Auto for whoever said that read my first post its not the car in my profile thingy I plan on buyin another Integ LS

Originally posted by Combo
NO its not Auto for whoever said that read my first post its not the car in my profile thingy I plan on buyin another Integ LS

I said that...sorry misread :thefinger

Originally posted by Combo


Thanks for all ure replys.. but u think if a I drop in a nice LS/Vtec and some NOS it will be able to keep up?

An LS/VTEC will kill a Type R easy. If he sprays it's a different story so.............................you spray too.:biggrin:

wait u said the 1/4 time on an LS is 15.8-16.1?

i have a 90gs and i beat my friends MODDED ls and all i have is an intake.

he has intake, exhaust, hi flow cat, plugs, plug wires, short shifter (all i have is an intake)and i beat him by a carlength in a little more than 1/8th mile. my last integra was a 91gs with intake and exhaust and i got 16.7 on the 1/4 at the track. that doesnt make sense cuz this car is less modded, has 50,000 more miles on the odo and i beat an LS that should be running mid 15s

Can someone please explain to me why a Integra LS w/ a VTEC head can kill an Integra Type R [Which cost a shitload more money.]

Im guessing an LS/VTEC could also kill a GS-R too..? Why is the LS/VTEC combo so powerfull?

What would a GS-R need to keep up w/ a Type R?

:smile: thats when it comes down to driver and/or someones car isn't running near as well as it should be. If your friend can drive ;His car is far from par and needs some work.

My 96 LS with nothing more than intake and exauhst runs a solid 16@86mph 1/4 mile. If I tried I could easily pull off a 15.9,15.8.

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|Can someone please explain to me why a Integra LS w/ a VTEC head can kill an Integra Type R [Which cost a shitload more money.]

Im guessing an LS/VTEC could also kill a GS-R too..? Why is the LS/VTEC combo so powerfull?

What would a GS-R need to keep up w/ a Type R?|


The LS/VTEC is so powerful from what I understand because the LS block is a true 1.8L block the ITR/GSR both having a 1.7L blocks. The LS has more torque than the ITR/GSR with a Vtec head because of its longer stroke (:confused:I think).

GSR vs ITR
To put it simply besides your basic mods Intake/exauhst
50 shot of nos. Itll get you past the ITR.

Damn I would have thought twice about buying an LS if I knew that before. How much does a VTEC Head install on an LS cost?

the head alone is like $200ish... well worth it if the LS/vtec is faster because insurance for a LS is way cheaper than a GS-R. the GS-R is more reliable than an LS/vtec, but if tuned properly it'll be just as reliable

So should I regret buying a GS-R? :tongue: :confused:

Originally posted by 90gs
the head alone is like $200ish... well worth it if the LS/vtec is faster because insurance for a LS is way cheaper than a GS-R. the GS-R is more reliable than an LS/vtec, but if tuned properly it'll be just as reliable

Hey guys thanks again. I have another question though. Do you think it is worth buying the Turbo LS/VTEC from dh-racing.com ?? Or would it be cheaper to do it myself? (buy all the parts from yards and ebay stuff like that and build it myself. Also anyone know where I can get some instructions on how to do it?)
Oh yah and TheNotoriousMogg sorry I didnt mean to be mean or nethin juss tryin to get the point across so no one else makes the mistake. Thanks for your info though. :bigthumb:

One More Thing.. haha :wink: .. Would the LS/VTEC with a turbo (maybe for later but for now no) be reliable enough for a daily driver? Anyone heard of any problems with the motor is should know about before choosing this?

i got a gsr. I have a friend tell me just put a itr head on and you got a itr.Is this true . If so can someone tell me where i can get one.

I've never heard of a place where you can buy an ITR head>? :confused: Isnt an ITR head almost the same thing as GSR?

Originally posted by skyline23
I've never heard of a place where you can buy an ITR head>? :confused: Isnt an ITR head almost the same thing as GSR?

No it is however close to the b16 head except for the cams. The ITR head was based from a b16 (civic si) head and not a b18c (gsr).

Try loking on ebay, www.thepartstrader.com, www.g2ic.com in the classifieds, and www.importlounge.com or www.teamintegra.com or www.superhonda.com. You will find one somewhere on at least one of the sites, just look often.
:bigthumb:

sorry whtteg, but it is a b16 head. jus build a bit differently is all.

think of it as a b18c block w/ a b16a head.

Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00
sorry whtteg, but it is a b16 head. jus build a bit differently is all.

think of it as a b18c block w/ a b16a head.

Ya I know it was based from a b16 head right? Or is it the same thing just better valve train and cams?

same thing. its a b16 head. jus w/ a few different parts is all :bigthumb:

i've been reading stuff about how the ls/vtec isn't very durable, does anyone here have any experience? will modding my car this way be ok for daily driving?

Originally posted by 90gs
the head alone is like $200ish... well worth it if the LS/vtec is faster because insurance for a LS is way cheaper than a GS-R. the GS-R is more reliable than an LS/vtec, but if tuned properly it'll be just as reliable

After this post from 90gs i've seen 2 questions he already has answered.. if you people are too lazy to read the thread before you post, maybe you should be too lazy to post
:twak:

haha thanks for pointing that out Kaiser.. Maybe I should read post a little more closer next time. but no one has answered my question earlier:
Do you think it is worth buying the Turbo LS/VTEC from dh-racing.com ?? Or would it be cheaper to do it myself? (buy all the parts from yards and ebay stuff like that and build it myself. Also anyone know where I can get some instructions on how to do it?)

depends bro.. do you want to build it yourself with help from friends, manuals, and probably even strangers... or do you want to have a professionally built combo, are you willing to pay more for the prebuilt or get the experience yourself and save money, and gain some valuable knowledge? :dunno:
these are questions you need to answer yourself, GL :smile:

heh, I like Knowledge. But too bad I dont know much about building engines and stuff. I would love to build the engine myself. Maybe I will start looking into it. Askin around seeing what I can learn then make my decision. Well when I start, You will see a lot more post from me :wink: . Well thnx fo da input Kaiser

Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00
same thing. its a b16 head. jus w/ a few different parts is all :bigthumb:

Ahh I see thanks for clearing that up :bigthumb:

Ok. When I go to buy a Turbo Kit for a stock LS what else am I going to have to buy? (fuel regulator, so on?) (also, to make it run reliable and smooth for a daily driver??)

The best advice I can give you is buy a complete kit from a company like Greddy, Drag, Apexi and so on. And it will come with everything you need and leave it like it says to, don't go and turn up the boost until you learn enough to know what to do with it to make more power.

You might also want to consider a turbo timer, this lets the car run for a set amout of time to cool the turbo. It will prolong the life of the turbo, or you could always just sit in the car for about 30 secs to 1 min then shut it off.

Originally posted by Combo
Ok. When I go to buy a Turbo Kit for a stock LS what else am I going to have to buy? (fuel regulator, so on?) (also, to make it run reliable and smooth for a daily driver??)
I recommend looking into Garrett turbos.. if you look on their website, there should be details about which turbos fit which engines/vehicles, and if you have trouble with that.. try doing a search on like www.msn.com type in Garrett turbo "your vehicle" manual or something similar, keep trying until you find what you are looking for..

i know you have to change the oil pump after the swap

there are all kinds of tips, detailed instructions, and opinions on what you should do... this is where research becomes valuable and also part of customizing comes into play.. if this is too much for you too handle, as in: too much time if you are too busy with other things; or you just want it now and dont wanna wait.. talk to a shop, one that specializes in performance and imports since you drive a teg

some of the questions you are asking aren't really ones we can give you detailed answers to... and if you are serious about this, you will have enough motivation to research it because you will want your car to out perform your friends :biggrin:

here are some links to help you out...

posted some bad links, sorry
here is a good link

http://www.hstuners.com/news/wmprint.php?ArtID=5

well now i'm confused, my friend was going to look at GSR's but i'm guessing it would be more worth it to buy an LS and do that LS/VTEC thing? why though, i'm so confused... and i mean $200? that's good because the LS is cheaper... anyway i don't know what i'm talking about so please explain... (i'm lost in the world of Honda Acura, i'm more into nissans and VW's and what not)

The LS/vtec has better low end torque

Ok listen here. DONT SWAP? Why u wanna swap? Ls motors are good enough to beat anything out there if done right. Just a turbo kit and upgraded fuel will get you into high 12s or low 13s with 12 psi! I'd definatley stick with the ls motor. NO v-tec is neccessary.This is a perfect motor since its already low compression. ALso upgraded suspension plays a big part in this also. It doesn't really take much to beat a type r. I beat one with my crx with stock b16...well just an intake...big whoa.:tongue:

Originally posted by mellowboy
Just a turbo kit and upgraded fuel will get you into high 12s or low 13s with 12 psi! I'd definatley stick with the ls motor. NO v-tec is neccessary.

Thats a tad optimistic, I'd say mid-high 13's. Maybe low 13's with slicks. But I do agree no VTEC is necessary and 12 PSI is the magic number for an LS. I would stick with the LS motor too. My mom has a 2000 LS, I trying to get her to put a turbo kit on it-LMAO:lol: :lol: :lol:

Originally posted by PWMAN


Thats a tad optimistic, I'd say mid-high 13's. Maybe low 13's with slicks.


Yeh i just figured its for an integra. Ppl be runnin 12s with that set up on a hatchie ...since its lighter:smile: Still though , its enough to beat a type r.:bigthumb:

Originally posted by mellowboy


Still though , its enough to beat a type r.:bigthumb:

Definitely:smile: