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3D printed 1927 Miller 91, Gould Studio's design


gulfclk
01-03-2014, 02:55 PM
It's been a while since I did some modelling because I've been launching my own prototyping business. Since 3D printing is offering better quality, it is thé technology for model making. I still believe however that those who master the regular skills still have an advantage.

When it comes to modelism, the 3D printing scene could change our hobby as well. Imagine you 'buy' a virtual model (or design one yourself) and get it 3D printed. Nobody is still depending on the big 'T's and other brands. I also believe however that this will still take some years.

So, in fact, it's exactly what I did. I bought the model from 'Turbosquid' (and from Gould Studio's) and started reworking it.

http://www.depaddock.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28828&d=1389008708

http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-miller-racing-car-91-model/775870

The 3D files are perfect (no holes or missing parts) and I the only thing I had to do is split the chassis into components, ...

Here's the first print series. I also have to admit that I needed to run some tests for all the parts. I want to print everything as much in scale as possible. As this will be a 43rd scale model, everything will be very tiny.

http://www.depaddock.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28830&d=1389008708

http://www.depaddock.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28829&d=1389008708

The goal is to have this model ready in 4 to 5 weeks, but it will be a hell of a job, even if it is 43rd scale. Everything needs to be modified, created, ... and right on scale of course.

stratos75
01-03-2014, 04:51 PM
What printer do you use?

jaykay640
01-03-2014, 05:15 PM
I don't see any pictures...but i'm very interested!
I briefly had the MCM Miller 91 kit but it looked rather useless as a starting point so i started ( on a very limited level ) to build 1:43 data for this exact car, because ever since i saw the original at Goodwood i just love it.

hirofkd
01-03-2014, 07:43 PM
You have to link the actual picture. Looks pretty good.
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5523/11737924723_e7348f2e65_o.jpg

gulfclk
01-04-2014, 11:05 PM
What printer do you use?

I'm using mainly Envisiontec machines. These parts have been done on the Aureus. The build volume is only 60 x 45 x 100mm (X-Y-Z), but the resolution is mind blowing. In the X-Y plane, it is 43 microns, in the Z-plane, it is between 15 and 50 microns.

gulfclk
01-05-2014, 07:09 AM
So, some more printing has been done.

I divided the chassis into 2 pieces. I'm not quite sure it is the right thing to do, or perhaps not in this way, but I'll see. I'll do a first dry fit and see how it turns out.

http://www.depaddock.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28834&d=1389009392

http://www.depaddock.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28832&d=1389009273

The bodywork has also been printed. The body has been divided into 3 pieces, that is the front grill, the engine hood and the cockpit. The front grill is a separate piece to make sure it can get chrome painted in a separate stage, the engine hood and bodywork have been separated to gain time during printing. The results look spot on, let's see after a first thin coat of primer.

http://www.depaddock.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28833&d=1389009273

The central wheel nuts have also been printed. I did these in 50 microns and I'll see after sanding how they look. If needed, I'll reprint them in 15 microns to get rid of the layer lines.

http://www.depaddock.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28835&d=1389187344

gulfclk
01-05-2014, 07:21 AM
Sorry guys, I can't get the pictures to show in the thread. What am I doing wrong?

stratos75
01-05-2014, 08:12 AM
Sorry guys, I can't get the pictures to show in the thread. What am I doing wrong?
I think you need to open the photo in needed size in new window, to copy the address and paste it in your post, and to add before that address and after, e.g.:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3768/11774236283_8726866bc6_c.jpg

gulfclk
01-08-2014, 07:24 AM
I managed to get the pictures in. I just linked them from another website in stead of Flickr.

stratos75
01-08-2014, 07:30 AM
Please, repost the biggest picture with the size not more than 800x600, because I can't see the thread correctly.

ianc911
01-08-2014, 02:27 PM
Very very interesting project. Subscribed...

ianc

el manolo
01-08-2014, 03:29 PM
any link where i could print my scale things?

georges99
01-08-2014, 08:52 PM
Hi

I really really love this article. I have a question, is it pretty easy to separate all the different elements of the car, from the 3D file from turbosquid ?

How Would you 3-D print a windshield from these 3-D files, and make shire it will fit ?

I would love to see how you separate the different parts of the car, and work these elements in your CAD software.

Are your tires in printed in rubber or resin ?

Finally, I would appreciate more Post of the different steps to completion.

Which cad software are you using ?


This is a very interesting subject of me. This is nice work that you do and I'll be following the future articles.

lovegt40
01-09-2014, 05:52 AM
I think this stuff is absolutely the future of modelling. When the technology will be available at a competitive price (thinking at Miller´s laws...) will be possible to have everything in the collection.

Great opportunity for all 3d programmers.
Keep on postin. too interested, even cause the quality of what u are showing in this pics is totally breathetaking.

gulfclk
01-09-2014, 03:20 PM
any link where i could print my scale things?

Our company is called Tenco Proto and we're located in Belgium.
We don't do online orders like iMaterialise and Shapeways do because we're targeting a different level of customers. High level, high quality ... not always possible if you look at high volumes.

gulfclk
01-09-2014, 03:30 PM
Hi

I really really love this article. I have a question, is it pretty easy to separate all the different elements of the car, from the 3D file from turbosquid ?

How Would you 3-D print a windshield from these 3-D files, and make shire it will fit ?

I would love to see how you separate the different parts of the car, and work these elements in your CAD software.

Are your tires in printed in rubber or resin ?

Finally, I would appreciate more Post of the different steps to completion.

Which cad software are you using ?


This is a very interesting subject of me. This is nice work that you do and I'll be following the future articles.

To separate the parts, I use 2 ways ...

- I downloaded the files from Turbosquid in a technical drawing format, that means that every component is an individual drawing. This way, you can select a component and 'isolate' it. You only have to make sure you buy a technical file.
- To prepare the files for printing, I use 2 software packages. NetFabb is a basic file repair program to repair holes, invert surfaces, ... Most of the time however, I use Magics. I only have a light version as it came with the Envisiontec machines, so it can only do things needed for the DLP printing process, but as this is what I use, I can repair files, add basic shapes, draw supports, ...
Using Magics, you can for instance 'cut' parts in different smaller parts and foresee them with connector pins to make the assembly easy. Magics also allows to make holes, add text, make parts thicker or thinner, ...

So, for a windshield, there are 2 ways. Separate the part in the technical drawing, or make a separate part out of it in Magics. You can then print it, but ... printing optically clear parts is not something very common. I think we're one of the only companies who know how to do it. The part is printed in clear resin and then finished with a special coating which makes it highly transparent, like glass.

The tires are printed in resin. They will be painted black and then the logo's will be tampon printed. After that, a soft touch coating will be applied to simulate the rubber.

The CAD software I use is ZW3D. I bought a 'light' version, which is 800$. This is very cheap for a complete CAD system.

More to follow ...

cooped70
01-09-2014, 11:50 PM
Im leaning towards catalatic converter.http://www.crazyki.com/20.jpg

gulfclk
01-10-2014, 02:48 PM
So, the rims got their black color. After the silver ring, they will be clear coated. The tires have been sent to get the logo's printed on them.

http://forum.depaddock.eu/attachment.php?attachmentid=28846&d=1389386597

The chassis have also been printed. I managed to find a solution, with the help of Gould Studio's, to print them in one piece.

http://forum.depaddock.eu/attachment.php?attachmentid=28847&d=1389386597

F1Tommy
01-11-2014, 09:55 AM
Amazing quality for 1/43rd scale. I also think in the future printing will take over a larger part of the specialized limited kit market share. If that does not happen resin and limited kits may go away in a few years as they are expensive to produce and sell low amounts. One thing I dont like is the way the printed parts warp when weight is put on them. You might have oval shaped wheels after a few years of sitting on the shelf.


Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2014-Chicago March 22nd 2014

gulfclk
01-15-2014, 04:19 PM
One thing I dont like is the way the printed parts warp when weight is put on them. You might have oval shaped wheels after a few years of sitting on the shelf.

It all depends on the material you're using. I know for instance that materials are not always UV resistant. Parts printed on an Objet have very nice quality and detail, but put them in front of a window and after 2 months, they will be completely out of shape.

gulfclk
01-15-2014, 04:21 PM
Some more experimenting has been done. I first separated the bonnet from the cockpit to gain some printing time, but this was not the right way as assembly was also more difficult. The whole body is printed in one parts now.
The first 2 bodies are primed and drying.

http://www.depaddock.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28857&d=1389824125

A dry fit with some experimental chassis and bodies show that everything fits nicely.

http://www.depaddock.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28858&d=1389824125

daniel_k
01-16-2014, 10:44 AM
considering this in 1/43 the quality is amazing !! I really need to contact you about some 1/43 printing ;-)

gionc
01-17-2014, 01:54 AM
Being a product designer I well know rapid proto by years, and being a modeler I have extensively used the new hi-quality 3D printers to do parts in my builds: said that I admit I'm astonished by those wire rims..... and I thought they were 1/24..... may you say the thickness of the wire spokes? 0.15 mm? less? Great!

gulfclk
01-17-2014, 08:48 AM
Being a product designer I well know rapid proto by years, and being a modeler I have extensively used the new hi-quality 3D printers to do parts in my builds: said that I admit I'm astonished by those wire rims..... and I thought they were 1/24..... may you say the thickness of the wire spokes? 0.15 mm? less? Great!

They should have been 0,05, but to make sure they were strong enough, I've made them 0,3mm in a 50 microns layer thickness.
I've made some new ones yesterday in 15 microns thickness and they seem to be much stronger, so I think I could go down to 0,15mm if using 15 microns.

gulfclk
01-17-2014, 09:15 AM
I'm very satisfied with the result of the tire lettering!

http://www.depaddock.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28859&d=1389971645

gulfclk
01-19-2014, 10:43 AM
Not much to mention ...

Splitting the chassis in 2 parts seemed to be the right solution to avoid deformation and instability during the build. I've ordered some new material however which should solve the problem, but there will be no time left to try this.

http://www.depaddock.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28873&d=1390149590

The bodywork has been painted already and will be clear coated later this week.

http://www.depaddock.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28874&d=1390149590

mikman42
01-27-2014, 12:04 AM
great stuff,looks like stereolithography printing using a laser and liquid like the Form 1 from Formlabs.com

gulfclk
01-28-2014, 04:02 AM
great stuff,looks like stereolithography printing using a laser and liquid like the Form 1 from Formlabs.com

The technique Envisiontec uses is DLP. It's comparable, but quicker and a lot more accurate.
I have a From1 as well ... cheap printer, but it doesn't even come close to this.

gulfclk
02-01-2014, 03:06 PM
Not much to say. The chassis have been painted enemal black and then finished with Alclad Chrome. To be able to touch the chassis without loosing the chrome, I've covered everything with one layer of Johnson Klear. It takes away the chrome effect a bit, but as the chassis on the real car is polished aluminium, this is not an issue.

http://www.depaddock.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28919&d=1390692036

The wheels have been finished as well. I had one rim and tire on the spare, so I decided to paint that one chrome to see how it looks.

http://www.depaddock.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28920&d=1390692036

Next is the front drive box and radiator combination. The radiator has been finished with Alclad Chrome as well (no Klear this time) and the drive box has been painted with Duraluminium.

http://www.depaddock.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28921&d=1390692036

Everything is going quickly now as this is a straight forward build, no difficult parts.

jaykay640
02-01-2014, 04:24 PM
Very nice!

stratos75
02-01-2014, 05:18 PM
The highest level of the rapid prototyping. Very impressive.

CrateCruncher
02-02-2014, 09:42 AM
The technique Envisiontec uses is DLP. It's comparable, but quicker and a lot more accurate.
I have a From1 as well ... cheap printer, but it doesn't even come close to this.

Dang! That Form1 sounds pretty useless Gulf. Let me know when you get tired of it gathering dust. I'll buy the ol' thing and give it a nice home.:smokin:

I was curious about the Envisiontec Aureus and found this data sheet if anyone else is interested:

http://envisiontec.com/envisiontec/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Machine-Aureus.pdf

I find this thread really interesting. I hope some day more of us can have this option instead of just buying what model manufacturers decide to produce.

gulfclk
02-02-2014, 02:54 PM
I hope some day more of us can have this option instead of just buying what model manufacturers decide to produce.

Well ... I want to take it even a step further. I believe there can be a printing network for model cars. Only hi-res machines and the right materials.
For those who know how to 3D design model cars, I'm willing to print them!!!

gulfclk
02-03-2014, 03:07 PM
Hi guys,

some of you have been sending me PM's and I tried to reply to them all. If tonight you did not get a reply, please resent the message. I accidentally delete some messages which I did not reply to ... sorry, but there were a lot of them.

So once again, if you did not get an answer, please resent the message.

gulfclk
02-07-2014, 08:21 AM
I'm making 2 cars, one for the Rapidpro fare in Holland, one for the machine manufacturer.

Just some quick and dirty shots, model needs to be finished ... :iceslolan

http://forum.depaddock.eu/attachment.php?attachmentid=28970&d=1391780812

http://forum.depaddock.eu/attachment.php?attachmentid=28971&d=1391780812

914joe
02-07-2014, 08:57 AM
Wow!!! Nice work.... Came out awesome:evillol:

My boy's school has a 3d printer... I need to volunteer as an aid:sunglasse

lovegt40
02-07-2014, 09:38 AM
what is that little silver in front of the steeering wheel? dont tell me u place such canopy over a so stunning next generation model eh... :)

F1Tommy
02-07-2014, 11:20 AM
That printing really looks great...Your build is also really nice I can see.


This could be a model kit game changer in a few years.


Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2014-Chicago March 22nd 2014-Pan Am 1950-1954 model display

gulfclk
02-07-2014, 12:25 PM
what is that little silver in front of the steeering wheel? dont tell me u place such canopy over a so stunning next generation model eh... :)

It's some kind of air duct that could be opened or closed.

MonteCarloSpyder
02-07-2014, 12:32 PM
Tom,

The models are looking really good, as always.

I cant wait to collect mine! :biggrin:

See you at RapidPro!

Cheers

Darrin

gulfclk
02-08-2014, 02:58 PM
Tom,

The models are looking really good, as always.

I cant wait to collect mine! :biggrin:

See you at RapidPro!

Cheers

Darrin

Ha! There he is ... one of the most impressive and nicest people I recently met ... really!
CU in Holland mate!

Tom

mikman42
02-14-2014, 02:30 AM
cracking work,easy to forget that it's only in 1/43

gulfclk
02-21-2014, 07:53 AM
Not much to say ... it's FINISHED! World's first entirely 3D printed model car in 1/43 scale.

http://www.depaddock.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=29104&d=1392935305

http://www.depaddock.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=29105&d=1392935305

http://www.depaddock.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=29106&d=1392935305

http://www.depaddock.eu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=29107&d=1392935305

el manolo
02-21-2014, 07:56 AM
impecabile!

KC27
02-21-2014, 08:51 AM
That is super cool. Congratulations!

indy1977tx
02-21-2014, 10:51 AM
The build is fantastic, the printing capabilities are impressive. Together it is inspiring!

Jordan

georges99
03-04-2014, 07:35 AM
Hi !

Very nice work you did on this Miller car.

Have you ever saw this ?

http://www.fabbaloo.com/blog/2014/2/27/buildpartss-3d-printed-miller-car?utm_source=Fabbaloo+Newsletter&utm_campaign=784ffd3f12-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f52584965b-784ffd3f12-108562981

George

klutz_100
03-07-2014, 12:21 AM
Stunning!

georges99
03-07-2014, 05:46 AM
Do you plan to make another car model ?

gulfclk
07-13-2014, 12:49 AM
Do you plan to make another car model ?

Hi Georges,

yes, but I cannot find the right model for the moment.
Any suggestions???

gulfclk
01-03-2016, 03:22 AM
It's been a while since we've build this model and ... our display model has not survived a customer running into it at the Euromold tradeshow, so we need to make another one.

Meanwhile, I'm hesitating to make a limited number of kits using 3D printing. I've been contacted by some people who were interested, but at that time, there was no intention of selling the model.

Can you please reply in this tread if you would be interested (no commitment to buy). I think the kit would cost between €110 and €125.

zed red
01-05-2016, 05:44 AM
It's been a while since we've build this model and ... our display model has not survived a customer running into it at the Euromold tradeshow, so we need to make another one.

Meanwhile, I'm hesitating to make a limited number of kits using 3D printing. I've been contacted by some people who were interested, but at that time, there was no intention of selling the model.

Can you please reply in this tread if you would be interested (no commitment to buy). I think the kit would cost between €110 and €125.

I would be interested in buying

ScottElliff
07-17-2019, 04:00 AM
Originally Posted by CrateCruncher
Dang! That Form1 sounds pretty useless Gulf. Let me know when you get tired of it gathering dust. I'll buy the ol' thing and give it a nice home.

I was curious about the Envisiontec Aureus and found this data sheet if anyone else is interested:


http://envisiontec.com/envisiontec/wp-content/ (https://envisiontec.com/envisiontec/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Machine-Aureus.pdf)writemyessay (https://writemyessaytoday.net/)/ (https://envisiontec.com/envisiontec/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Machine-Aureus.pdf)uploads...eus.pdf (http://www.automotiveforums.com/t1119215-discuss3d_printed_1927_miller_91_gould_studio_s_de sign.html)


I find this thread really interesting. I hope some day more of us can have this option instead of just buying what model manufacturers decide to produce.
Hello,
I was wondering if anyone uses EnvisionTEC Aureus. What are the benefits in comparison with other 3D printers? I've been thinking to get CR-10 S5. But I'm not sure now.
Sorry for bumping.

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