is Saddam dead or alive?
taranaki
06-20-2003, 07:11 AM
NSX-R-SSJ20K
06-20-2003, 08:07 AM
More than likely
He's probably living somewhere quite comfortably with alot of money and he probably left before the war even started.
He's probably living somewhere quite comfortably with alot of money and he probably left before the war even started.
freakray
06-20-2003, 08:11 AM
Probably hiding in Switzerland or somewhere equally obscure....
perhaps South Africa....it's crime ridden enough for him to blend right in, and the government is probably stupid enough to allow him in and offer him a job.....
perhaps South Africa....it's crime ridden enough for him to blend right in, and the government is probably stupid enough to allow him in and offer him a job.....
NSX-R-SSJ20K
06-20-2003, 08:13 AM
he doesn't need a job
he just needs to live in a rich area where no one knows each other and they all drive around in tinted window Limo's if they ever go anywhere.
he just needs to live in a rich area where no one knows each other and they all drive around in tinted window Limo's if they ever go anywhere.
jon@af
06-20-2003, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
More than likely
He's probably living somewhere quite comfortably with alot of money and he probably left before the war even started.
:iagree:
More than likely
He's probably living somewhere quite comfortably with alot of money and he probably left before the war even started.
:iagree:
freakray
06-20-2003, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
he doesn't need a job
he just needs to live in a rich area where no one knows each other and they all drive around in tinted window Limo's if they ever go anywhere.
That about covers the South African government too :rolleyes:
he doesn't need a job
he just needs to live in a rich area where no one knows each other and they all drive around in tinted window Limo's if they ever go anywhere.
That about covers the South African government too :rolleyes:
NSX-R-SSJ20K
06-20-2003, 08:28 AM
personnal protection in south africa is mental
to protect their cars they have Flame throwers installed on earth side.
And there a briefcase version for your home so it roasts anyone who steps in front of it. You leave it behind the front door in the middle of the hallway.
to protect their cars they have Flame throwers installed on earth side.
And there a briefcase version for your home so it roasts anyone who steps in front of it. You leave it behind the front door in the middle of the hallway.
freakray
06-20-2003, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
personnal protection in south africa is mental
to protect their cars they have Flame throwers installed on earth side.
And there a briefcase version for your home so it roasts anyone who steps in front of it. You leave it behind the front door in the middle of the hallway.
Oh wow, I am from South Africa and I have never seen this.....where did you see it?
The flame thrower deal was a one-off done by a guy in JHB....
Do you believe everything you see on TV?
personnal protection in south africa is mental
to protect their cars they have Flame throwers installed on earth side.
And there a briefcase version for your home so it roasts anyone who steps in front of it. You leave it behind the front door in the middle of the hallway.
Oh wow, I am from South Africa and I have never seen this.....where did you see it?
The flame thrower deal was a one-off done by a guy in JHB....
Do you believe everything you see on TV?
YogsVR4
06-20-2003, 09:30 AM
He may be alive somewhere, but I doubt he is living comfortably.
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gigatron
06-20-2003, 12:48 PM
He's probably living somewhere quite comfortably with alot of money and he probably left before the war even started.
But the US Gov. needs a reason to keep fighting. It's interesting but right after Afghanistan war, gas pipes were opened :rolleyes: Was Bin Laden caught? Not quite.. Sheesh.. now there are two lunatics at hand Bin Laden and Saddam and the US caught neither of them.. or paid them a hefty some in exchange for the countries lol.. man...
But the US Gov. needs a reason to keep fighting. It's interesting but right after Afghanistan war, gas pipes were opened :rolleyes: Was Bin Laden caught? Not quite.. Sheesh.. now there are two lunatics at hand Bin Laden and Saddam and the US caught neither of them.. or paid them a hefty some in exchange for the countries lol.. man...
taranaki
06-20-2003, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by gigatron
But the US Gov. needs a reason to keep fighting. It's interesting but right after Afghanistan war, gas pipes were opened :rolleyes: Was Bin Laden caught? Not quite.. Sheesh.. now there are two lunatics at hand Bin Laden and Saddam and the US caught neither of them.. or paid them a hefty some in exchange for the countries lol.. man...
the thread is about Saddam,not the U.S. government.Your constant loopy attacks on America for anything and everything are damaging the credibility of those who think before they speak.Please,say something constructive occasionally or go away.
But the US Gov. needs a reason to keep fighting. It's interesting but right after Afghanistan war, gas pipes were opened :rolleyes: Was Bin Laden caught? Not quite.. Sheesh.. now there are two lunatics at hand Bin Laden and Saddam and the US caught neither of them.. or paid them a hefty some in exchange for the countries lol.. man...
the thread is about Saddam,not the U.S. government.Your constant loopy attacks on America for anything and everything are damaging the credibility of those who think before they speak.Please,say something constructive occasionally or go away.
gigatron
06-20-2003, 06:41 PM
Oh it's absolutely related.
Saddam is he dead or alive?
Bin Laden is he dead or alive?
If they are dead they are dead, if they are alive they are alive. The US gov. (THE ONES AFTER HIM), claim neither. WHY? Simple matter of fact to keep a level of intrigue and purpose in their wars.
That is quite related. Otherwise a simple yes or a no answer would only suffice.
It's called fear mongering. Simple fact no need for nitpicking on the issue excuse me.
Saddam is he dead or alive?
Bin Laden is he dead or alive?
If they are dead they are dead, if they are alive they are alive. The US gov. (THE ONES AFTER HIM), claim neither. WHY? Simple matter of fact to keep a level of intrigue and purpose in their wars.
That is quite related. Otherwise a simple yes or a no answer would only suffice.
It's called fear mongering. Simple fact no need for nitpicking on the issue excuse me.
taranaki
06-20-2003, 06:53 PM
It's not about what the U.S.government believes,or wants you to believe,or wants you to think it believes.
It's not about the U.S. government at all.
Its not even about Osama Bin Laden.
It's about Saddam.Do you think he is dead or alive?
Are you capable of puting a single post in this forum that doesn't imply that the U.S. evil?If not,please fuck off.You are boring us all to tears.
It's not about the U.S. government at all.
Its not even about Osama Bin Laden.
It's about Saddam.Do you think he is dead or alive?
Are you capable of puting a single post in this forum that doesn't imply that the U.S. evil?If not,please fuck off.You are boring us all to tears.
gigatron
06-20-2003, 07:18 PM
Rofl. Sorry thought open opinions were permitted ;) I have stated very much so the US gov. is evil yes yes. This does relate but ok I mean would it matter if there was no war? Perhaps yes it would but why is he supposingly now dead or alive?
He was offered to flee before the war... did he flee? According to the CIA.. according to the CIA through the media :rolleyes: he did not flee and he was supposingly alive. So the bombings started prior to the deadline... the reason because they had the chance to preemtively stop him.. then we got all the funky videos which seem fake..
Long ago I remember going to this website which claimed that Saddam's been dead for years and that his wife and children controlled the look alikes. Interesting claim but I dunno how valid that theory is. Interesting none the less.
Can't come to terms since there is no real evidence of him either dead or alive now. The US gov which was after him scuse me.. claim neither too... There is supposingly no more baathist party members to support him.. so will he resurface if he is alive anyway :/
He was offered to flee before the war... did he flee? According to the CIA.. according to the CIA through the media :rolleyes: he did not flee and he was supposingly alive. So the bombings started prior to the deadline... the reason because they had the chance to preemtively stop him.. then we got all the funky videos which seem fake..
Long ago I remember going to this website which claimed that Saddam's been dead for years and that his wife and children controlled the look alikes. Interesting claim but I dunno how valid that theory is. Interesting none the less.
Can't come to terms since there is no real evidence of him either dead or alive now. The US gov which was after him scuse me.. claim neither too... There is supposingly no more baathist party members to support him.. so will he resurface if he is alive anyway :/
jon@af
06-20-2003, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by gigatron
Rofl. Sorry thought open opinions were permitted ;)
They are as long as they are on topic:rolleyes: .
Rofl. Sorry thought open opinions were permitted ;)
They are as long as they are on topic:rolleyes: .
Toksin
06-20-2003, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by freakray
Oh wow, I am from South Africa and I have never seen this.....where did you see it?
The flame thrower deal was a one-off done by a guy in JHB....
Do you believe everything you see on TV?
Ray,the flamethrowers are/were actually being sold. R4000 per kit. The police were actually recommending people fit them. It wasn't just a one off thing :\
Haven't heard about the briefcase though...why the fuck would you want to burn your own house down? like everything else in that God-forsaken hole, insurance is fucked too.
Oh wow, I am from South Africa and I have never seen this.....where did you see it?
The flame thrower deal was a one-off done by a guy in JHB....
Do you believe everything you see on TV?
Ray,the flamethrowers are/were actually being sold. R4000 per kit. The police were actually recommending people fit them. It wasn't just a one off thing :\
Haven't heard about the briefcase though...why the fuck would you want to burn your own house down? like everything else in that God-forsaken hole, insurance is fucked too.
gigatron
06-20-2003, 09:55 PM
On topic ey? :loser:
Toksin
06-20-2003, 10:42 PM
Eh, fair point Linkatron.
Back on topic.
I really don't know what to think,whether he's alive or dead. The US dropped enough bombs in places where they thought he was to kill him six times over, but there's still rumours that he's alive...soo...I guess time will tell.
Back on topic.
I really don't know what to think,whether he's alive or dead. The US dropped enough bombs in places where they thought he was to kill him six times over, but there's still rumours that he's alive...soo...I guess time will tell.
taranaki
06-20-2003, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by gigatron
There is supposingly no more baathist party members to support him.. so will he resurface if he is alive anyway :/
there is still strong support abnd resistance in the Sunni Triangle,and his right hand man was apprehended recently in Tikrit,along with a large amount of currency.Saddams' home town.If heis still alive in Iraq,that's where he is most likely to be,and if he's not still alive thre pro-Saddam terror attacks are rather pointless.
There is supposingly no more baathist party members to support him.. so will he resurface if he is alive anyway :/
there is still strong support abnd resistance in the Sunni Triangle,and his right hand man was apprehended recently in Tikrit,along with a large amount of currency.Saddams' home town.If heis still alive in Iraq,that's where he is most likely to be,and if he's not still alive thre pro-Saddam terror attacks are rather pointless.
gigatron
06-20-2003, 11:02 PM
Yes he SHOULD be dead.. they dropped nuff daisy cutters.. I'm not sure if the MOAB was used.. but damn...
freakray
06-21-2003, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by Toksin
Ray,the flamethrowers are/were actually being sold. R4000 per kit. The police were actually recommending people fit them. It wasn't just a one off thing :\
Haven't heard about the briefcase though...why the fuck would you want to burn your own house down? like everything else in that God-forsaken hole, insurance is fucked too.
I am not suprised the police would recommend it.....it's almost like they're admitting they aren't doing there job so they recommend some vigilante justice.....
There was a lot of outcry over it just before I left....humanitarian reasons you know:rolleyes:
Ray,the flamethrowers are/were actually being sold. R4000 per kit. The police were actually recommending people fit them. It wasn't just a one off thing :\
Haven't heard about the briefcase though...why the fuck would you want to burn your own house down? like everything else in that God-forsaken hole, insurance is fucked too.
I am not suprised the police would recommend it.....it's almost like they're admitting they aren't doing there job so they recommend some vigilante justice.....
There was a lot of outcry over it just before I left....humanitarian reasons you know:rolleyes:
Sierra Six
06-21-2003, 01:14 AM
Originally posted by gigatron
Yes he SHOULD be dead.. they dropped nuff daisy cutters.. I'm not sure if the MOAB was used.. but damn...
Evidence to back up your claim. STAT.
Yes he SHOULD be dead.. they dropped nuff daisy cutters.. I'm not sure if the MOAB was used.. but damn...
Evidence to back up your claim. STAT.
gigatron
06-21-2003, 01:20 AM
The daisy cutters wasn't used? Those guys on CNN and Fox were cheering at the bombing going about with their admiration of the bombs and mentioned the wonderful daisy cutter from time to time with their live report. The MOAB on the other hand I don't know if it was used or anything... but they were all giddy over it! The Moab was a psychological attack more or less don't know if it was used...
http://www.militarycity.com/iraq/1761039.html
It 'arrived' in Iraq? I dunno :/
http://www.militarycity.com/iraq/1761039.html
It 'arrived' in Iraq? I dunno :/
jon@af
06-21-2003, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by gigatron
Yes he SHOULD be dead.. they dropped nuff daisy cutters.. I'm not sure if the MOAB was used.. but damn...
I agree, he SHOULD be dead, but saying he SHOULD doesnt reall do much does it? I look at it as, if he's not in power anymore, and the Iraqi's are no longer afraid, then somewhat, it kinda doesnt matter (I say somewhat because it obviously means something to GWB). The fact of the bombs is that, if he by chance is alive, then appearently they DIDNT drop enough bombs did they? Because they didnt kill him, should he be found alive.
Yes he SHOULD be dead.. they dropped nuff daisy cutters.. I'm not sure if the MOAB was used.. but damn...
I agree, he SHOULD be dead, but saying he SHOULD doesnt reall do much does it? I look at it as, if he's not in power anymore, and the Iraqi's are no longer afraid, then somewhat, it kinda doesnt matter (I say somewhat because it obviously means something to GWB). The fact of the bombs is that, if he by chance is alive, then appearently they DIDNT drop enough bombs did they? Because they didnt kill him, should he be found alive.
freakray
06-21-2003, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by gigatron
What now you are claiming daisy cutters weren't used? Those guys on CNN and Fox were cheering at the bombing going about with their admiration of the bombs and mentioned the wonderful daisy cutter. The MOAB on the other hand I don't know if it was used or anything... but they were all giddy over it! The Moab was a psychological attack more or less don't know if it was used...
The MOAB wasn't used....
According to the military they didn't use the Daisy Cutter.....
That is also subject to speculation, but I am pretty certain most of those CNN reporters wouldn't know the difference between an anti-tank mine and an anti-personel mine if they were standing on one.
Considering 'Daisy Cutter' was the primary bomb used in Afghanistan, there is a fair likelihood the media caught onto the name and randomly applied it to any explosive deployed by an aircraft.
What now you are claiming daisy cutters weren't used? Those guys on CNN and Fox were cheering at the bombing going about with their admiration of the bombs and mentioned the wonderful daisy cutter. The MOAB on the other hand I don't know if it was used or anything... but they were all giddy over it! The Moab was a psychological attack more or less don't know if it was used...
The MOAB wasn't used....
According to the military they didn't use the Daisy Cutter.....
That is also subject to speculation, but I am pretty certain most of those CNN reporters wouldn't know the difference between an anti-tank mine and an anti-personel mine if they were standing on one.
Considering 'Daisy Cutter' was the primary bomb used in Afghanistan, there is a fair likelihood the media caught onto the name and randomly applied it to any explosive deployed by an aircraft.
Sierra Six
06-21-2003, 01:35 AM
Exactly. Thats why I wanted him to provide some evidence. He failed miserably.
jon@af
06-21-2003, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by Sierra Six
Exactly. Thats why I wanted him to provide some evidence. He failed miserably.
LOL, ah yes, other peoples misfortunes are so funny:icon16: :tongue:
Exactly. Thats why I wanted him to provide some evidence. He failed miserably.
LOL, ah yes, other peoples misfortunes are so funny:icon16: :tongue:
freakray
06-21-2003, 01:43 AM
Nice article Gigatron, but I think it backfired on you....
It clearly states:
The MOAB is similar to but 40 percent heavier than the BLU-82 “Daisy Cutter.” Unlike the Daisy Cutter, which is a free-fall bomb, the MOAB is satellite-guided; a tail kit “steers” the bomb to within 14 yards of its target.....
The Daisy Cutter was created during the Vietnam War and was first used in 1970. Its 12,600 pounds of explosives cleared dense jungle within a 260 feet radius, and caused serious injuries to people 600 feet away. Eleven Daisy Cutters were dropped on Iraqis in Gulf War. The initial intent was to clear vast minefields that slowed U.S. troops, but battlefield commanders soon realized that the massive explosion caused Iraqi soldiers to surrender in droves.
The BLU-82 most recently was dropped in November 2001 on a series of Afghanistan caves where al-Qaida leaders were suspected of hiding.
Seems to be clear from that it wasn't use in the last campaign in Iraq....
It clearly states:
The MOAB is similar to but 40 percent heavier than the BLU-82 “Daisy Cutter.” Unlike the Daisy Cutter, which is a free-fall bomb, the MOAB is satellite-guided; a tail kit “steers” the bomb to within 14 yards of its target.....
The Daisy Cutter was created during the Vietnam War and was first used in 1970. Its 12,600 pounds of explosives cleared dense jungle within a 260 feet radius, and caused serious injuries to people 600 feet away. Eleven Daisy Cutters were dropped on Iraqis in Gulf War. The initial intent was to clear vast minefields that slowed U.S. troops, but battlefield commanders soon realized that the massive explosion caused Iraqi soldiers to surrender in droves.
The BLU-82 most recently was dropped in November 2001 on a series of Afghanistan caves where al-Qaida leaders were suspected of hiding.
Seems to be clear from that it wasn't use in the last campaign in Iraq....
gigatron
06-21-2003, 01:46 AM
http://www.rediff.com/us/2003/apr/03iraq6.htm
The use of two Daisy Cutters is an indication that the US has stepped up attacks on the Iraqis.
Well I suppose it's speculation then, but honestly I don't know how much i can trust what the attacker would say, what was used :rolleyes: The military claims DU is safe as well... regardless of the effects on the soldiers 'the syndrome' bs :/ So bah.. Yet "sources" like journalists speculated it was the daisy cutters.. I don't know because quite frankly I don't know what each 'bombname' explosion should look like. But the explosions they were showing on TV were HUGE mushroom clouds really shaking the ground and in one explosion it was so damn big.. all you saw was a huge light, then the camera was knocked out and they switched to another showing the big mushroom. I stayed up after midnight watching CNN and other channels during the invasion.
I was pretty certain MOAB wasn't used.. but Daisy Cutters... 11 were used in the first gulf war, in this one though the only source that tells 'they were used' were reporters talking about them (if they knew what they were talking about :rolleyes: ) during the time when the attacks got more agressive and really huge mushroom cloud explosions started rocking the city.
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Speaking of which here is another supposed letter from Saddam :rolleyes: http://www.rediff.com/us/2003/jun/14iraq.htm
The use of two Daisy Cutters is an indication that the US has stepped up attacks on the Iraqis.
Well I suppose it's speculation then, but honestly I don't know how much i can trust what the attacker would say, what was used :rolleyes: The military claims DU is safe as well... regardless of the effects on the soldiers 'the syndrome' bs :/ So bah.. Yet "sources" like journalists speculated it was the daisy cutters.. I don't know because quite frankly I don't know what each 'bombname' explosion should look like. But the explosions they were showing on TV were HUGE mushroom clouds really shaking the ground and in one explosion it was so damn big.. all you saw was a huge light, then the camera was knocked out and they switched to another showing the big mushroom. I stayed up after midnight watching CNN and other channels during the invasion.
I was pretty certain MOAB wasn't used.. but Daisy Cutters... 11 were used in the first gulf war, in this one though the only source that tells 'they were used' were reporters talking about them (if they knew what they were talking about :rolleyes: ) during the time when the attacks got more agressive and really huge mushroom cloud explosions started rocking the city.
[edit]
Speaking of which here is another supposed letter from Saddam :rolleyes: http://www.rediff.com/us/2003/jun/14iraq.htm
Pick
06-21-2003, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by gigatron
Rofl. Sorry thought open opinions were permitted ;) I have stated very much so the US gov. is evil yes yes. This does relate but ok I mean would it matter if there was no war? Perhaps yes it would but why is he supposingly now dead or alive?
He was offered to flee before the war... did he flee? According to the CIA.. according to the CIA through the media :rolleyes: he did not flee and he was supposingly alive. So the bombings started prior to the deadline... the reason because they had the chance to preemtively stop him.. then we got all the funky videos which seem fake..
Long ago I remember going to this website which claimed that Saddam's been dead for years and that his wife and children controlled the look alikes. Interesting claim but I dunno how valid that theory is. Interesting none the less.
Can't come to terms since there is no real evidence of him either dead or alive now. The US gov which was after him scuse me.. claim neither too... There is supposingly no more baathist party members to support him.. so will he resurface if he is alive anyway :/
If Saddam can run and hide and us not be able to find him, even though everybody knows what he looks like, then how easy would it be for the Iraqi's to hide a few cases of anthrax or missiles???? Extremely easy. More people in Iraq were looking for Saddam sneaking out than a case of some weird stuff. Interesting................. :redface:
Rofl. Sorry thought open opinions were permitted ;) I have stated very much so the US gov. is evil yes yes. This does relate but ok I mean would it matter if there was no war? Perhaps yes it would but why is he supposingly now dead or alive?
He was offered to flee before the war... did he flee? According to the CIA.. according to the CIA through the media :rolleyes: he did not flee and he was supposingly alive. So the bombings started prior to the deadline... the reason because they had the chance to preemtively stop him.. then we got all the funky videos which seem fake..
Long ago I remember going to this website which claimed that Saddam's been dead for years and that his wife and children controlled the look alikes. Interesting claim but I dunno how valid that theory is. Interesting none the less.
Can't come to terms since there is no real evidence of him either dead or alive now. The US gov which was after him scuse me.. claim neither too... There is supposingly no more baathist party members to support him.. so will he resurface if he is alive anyway :/
If Saddam can run and hide and us not be able to find him, even though everybody knows what he looks like, then how easy would it be for the Iraqi's to hide a few cases of anthrax or missiles???? Extremely easy. More people in Iraq were looking for Saddam sneaking out than a case of some weird stuff. Interesting................. :redface:
SHOtough
06-23-2003, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by gigatron
Well I suppose it's speculation then, but honestly I don't know how much i can trust what the attacker would say, what was used :rolleyes:
if you don't know how much it can be trusted then why did you use it to support you're claim of the bombs being used?:rolleyes:
Well I suppose it's speculation then, but honestly I don't know how much i can trust what the attacker would say, what was used :rolleyes:
if you don't know how much it can be trusted then why did you use it to support you're claim of the bombs being used?:rolleyes:
NSX-R-SSJ20K
06-24-2003, 05:51 AM
because he's trying as hard as possible to discredit the US Government and make them out to be bad people :loser:
He really doesn't need to do that they're doing a fine job at it just by themselves :bigthumb:
He really doesn't need to do that they're doing a fine job at it just by themselves :bigthumb:
gigatron
06-24-2003, 12:06 PM
No you are desperate to disprove everything i say ;) It's fun. See that's when you prove my point and I stopped posting. The whole argument began because of 'two' unanonymous characters (who were all jolly over your posts against me). The US gov. is wrong and it'll remain that way. Who's going off topic now? Funny, even my post was the first most related to the topic but I got criticized for going off topic :D I wonder who's desperate on this damn forum... All the posts above me were about.. flamethrowers or something? Ya..
Whether he is alive or not doesn't matter.. just how it doesn't matter how Bin Laden is either dead or alive.. Their faith doesn't matter, whether they are dead or alive, what matters is that they remain boogey man. Meant to jump out to remind the ignorant and innoscent people of what they are, what they did, etc... but just remind them, while there is another war happening. Maybe some day they will get caught but hmm.. That whole region is under fire... surprisngly except Israel, who has invaded in the past... has wmd since the 60s, threatened to use wmd without questions in retaliation (sounds 'logical' but.. sheesh). Threatened it's neighbours before, during and after the current Iraqi war. And spied and had its planes shot down before, during and after the war over Syria and Lebannon. So Syria, Iran, Lebannon and yes Saudi Arabia are all under fire constantly. Syria and Iran are next, Iran has been slowly under fire.. North Korea is just out there.. Like I said North Korea is a joker card.. Bah pro-US gov. people criticized me about my views on the war in Iraq.. but turned out it did happen and they were decieved.. yet some are persistant and still think this war was justified. Whether these two clowns are dead or not.. seems regardless, they may or may not be found but currently they are just boogey man meant to keep the public on their toes. If people are afraid or in fear, it results from lack of knowledge, they want answers they can seek them themselves and/or take someone for a protector, a government is a perfect candidate because the gov. is suppose to protect them and nourish them per say.. sacrifice your freedom, get your security woohoo.
I really don't care about your points anymore ;) There is no reason in this matter whichever side you look at.. The US gov. will do whatever it wants it doesn't care if they didn't catch Bin Laden. Does it trully care if Saddam is caught? There are simple signs what they care about. People still find it hard that a part of this war was yes on oil. I mean cmon.. taking over an oil ministry... while not preventing the lootings. In fact ENCOURAGING them.. Bah going off topic.. Really doesn't matter, neither side really has the power to change the US gov. opinion of what they do. Public talk shows can stirr up thought amongst people.. but usually that is controlled. The most unbiased show is counterspin on BBC or CBC I forget.. you get two opposites arguing and discussing. the most pro-US gov. people and the most anti-US gov. people. Total opposites.. and its very interesting.. its also interesting to see the audience respond or give signs.. a forum will do little to nothing lol.. but hey.. don't say I didn't warn about the US gov.'s frenzy :X Saying "all governments are corrupt" I don't buy.. yes sure to differing degrees.. its sad but true.. but the most corrupt is the US imho.. Some have come to say to be 'great' the US gov. MUST do all this... and they'd say "look at the romans, how did they become great".. but hey..
Well.. thats that, I don't wish to waste time posting here in this section no more. Everyone has free will of choice and ultimately comes down to them. What you follow, what you believe. Truth is as truthful as what you believe. But there is ultimate truth. Somehow.. I am neither a politician nor ever will be. I am still a human being. "never trust a politician who wants power"..
Whether he is alive or not doesn't matter.. just how it doesn't matter how Bin Laden is either dead or alive.. Their faith doesn't matter, whether they are dead or alive, what matters is that they remain boogey man. Meant to jump out to remind the ignorant and innoscent people of what they are, what they did, etc... but just remind them, while there is another war happening. Maybe some day they will get caught but hmm.. That whole region is under fire... surprisngly except Israel, who has invaded in the past... has wmd since the 60s, threatened to use wmd without questions in retaliation (sounds 'logical' but.. sheesh). Threatened it's neighbours before, during and after the current Iraqi war. And spied and had its planes shot down before, during and after the war over Syria and Lebannon. So Syria, Iran, Lebannon and yes Saudi Arabia are all under fire constantly. Syria and Iran are next, Iran has been slowly under fire.. North Korea is just out there.. Like I said North Korea is a joker card.. Bah pro-US gov. people criticized me about my views on the war in Iraq.. but turned out it did happen and they were decieved.. yet some are persistant and still think this war was justified. Whether these two clowns are dead or not.. seems regardless, they may or may not be found but currently they are just boogey man meant to keep the public on their toes. If people are afraid or in fear, it results from lack of knowledge, they want answers they can seek them themselves and/or take someone for a protector, a government is a perfect candidate because the gov. is suppose to protect them and nourish them per say.. sacrifice your freedom, get your security woohoo.
I really don't care about your points anymore ;) There is no reason in this matter whichever side you look at.. The US gov. will do whatever it wants it doesn't care if they didn't catch Bin Laden. Does it trully care if Saddam is caught? There are simple signs what they care about. People still find it hard that a part of this war was yes on oil. I mean cmon.. taking over an oil ministry... while not preventing the lootings. In fact ENCOURAGING them.. Bah going off topic.. Really doesn't matter, neither side really has the power to change the US gov. opinion of what they do. Public talk shows can stirr up thought amongst people.. but usually that is controlled. The most unbiased show is counterspin on BBC or CBC I forget.. you get two opposites arguing and discussing. the most pro-US gov. people and the most anti-US gov. people. Total opposites.. and its very interesting.. its also interesting to see the audience respond or give signs.. a forum will do little to nothing lol.. but hey.. don't say I didn't warn about the US gov.'s frenzy :X Saying "all governments are corrupt" I don't buy.. yes sure to differing degrees.. its sad but true.. but the most corrupt is the US imho.. Some have come to say to be 'great' the US gov. MUST do all this... and they'd say "look at the romans, how did they become great".. but hey..
Well.. thats that, I don't wish to waste time posting here in this section no more. Everyone has free will of choice and ultimately comes down to them. What you follow, what you believe. Truth is as truthful as what you believe. But there is ultimate truth. Somehow.. I am neither a politician nor ever will be. I am still a human being. "never trust a politician who wants power"..
freakray
06-24-2003, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by gigatron
Well.. thats that, I don't wish to waste time posting here in this section no more.
Oh gee, we will miss you so very, very much.....:tongue:
Well.. thats that, I don't wish to waste time posting here in this section no more.
Oh gee, we will miss you so very, very much.....:tongue:
Pick
06-24-2003, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by gigatron
I really don't care about your points anymore ;) There is no reason in this matter whichever side you look at.. The US gov. will do whatever it wants it doesn't care if they didn't catch Bin Laden. Does it trully care if Saddam is caught? There are simple signs what they care about. People still find it hard that a part of this war was yes on oil. I mean cmon.. taking over an oil ministry... while not preventing the lootings. In fact ENCOURAGING them.. Bah going off topic.. Really doesn't matter, neither side really has the power to change the US gov. opinion of what they do. Public talk shows can stirr up thought amongst people.. but usually that is controlled. The most unbiased show is counterspin on BBC or CBC I forget.. you get two opposites arguing and discussing. the most pro-US gov. people and the most anti-US gov. people. Total opposites.. and its very interesting.. its also interesting to see the audience respond or give signs.. a forum will do little to nothing lol.. but hey.. don't say I didn't warn about the US gov.'s frenzy :X Saying "all governments are corrupt" I don't buy.. yes sure to differing degrees.. its sad but true.. but the most corrupt is the US imho.. Some have come to say to be 'great' the US gov. MUST do all this... and they'd say "look at the romans, how did they become great".. but hey..
Well.. thats that, I don't wish to waste time posting here in this section no more. Everyone has free will of choice and ultimately comes down to them. What you follow, what you believe. Truth is as truthful as what you believe. But there is ultimate truth. Somehow.. I am neither a politician nor ever will be. I am still a human being. "never trust a politician who wants power"..
I'm not even going to say what is going through my head right now, because it will surely get me banned, but you are the exact kind of person that makes me and many of my other American colleagues not like many people and their opinions in other countries. In fact, I'm going to go ahead and say it: I despise you and I despise even more your petty and narrow opinions on MY people and MY way of life and MY government, so just shut the fuck up.
You are obviously anti-American, anti-capitalist, and anti-democracy. We don't want to hear your little spiel about how bad the US is anymore and we've been telling you for weeks. So do us all a favor and SHUT UP!!
Addressing the issue at hand, and I am really pissed, so cut me some slack on this. Your little ideas on why the US exists is so narrow-minded and down-right ignorant that you have totally defeated the arguments of Taranaki, Freakray, NSX, and whoever else ever gave a good, fesible argument on here. You shame the US for looking out for itself, when your country milks off of us. You claim that Bush is a bold-face liar, and that he leads us in a terrible way: BS. Ever heard of presidential approval??? Let me ask you this: do you even think before you type??? You give such wacked-out accusations that nobody wants to hear it. Will we find Saddam? Maybe, I don't know....Will we find Bin Laden??? I personally think he's dead. But if you think we can't find the most recognizable figure in Iraq right now, then how easy would it be for Iraq to hide a few cases of chemicals?? Huh?? You are just and anti-American piece of you-know-what. so just shut up!!!
I am so sick and tired of you, and NOBODY HERE LIKES YOU, so do us all a favor and GO AWAY!!!!
I apologize to the mods if this comes across as flaming, but I think this needed to be said, and I hope that he realizes it.
I really don't care about your points anymore ;) There is no reason in this matter whichever side you look at.. The US gov. will do whatever it wants it doesn't care if they didn't catch Bin Laden. Does it trully care if Saddam is caught? There are simple signs what they care about. People still find it hard that a part of this war was yes on oil. I mean cmon.. taking over an oil ministry... while not preventing the lootings. In fact ENCOURAGING them.. Bah going off topic.. Really doesn't matter, neither side really has the power to change the US gov. opinion of what they do. Public talk shows can stirr up thought amongst people.. but usually that is controlled. The most unbiased show is counterspin on BBC or CBC I forget.. you get two opposites arguing and discussing. the most pro-US gov. people and the most anti-US gov. people. Total opposites.. and its very interesting.. its also interesting to see the audience respond or give signs.. a forum will do little to nothing lol.. but hey.. don't say I didn't warn about the US gov.'s frenzy :X Saying "all governments are corrupt" I don't buy.. yes sure to differing degrees.. its sad but true.. but the most corrupt is the US imho.. Some have come to say to be 'great' the US gov. MUST do all this... and they'd say "look at the romans, how did they become great".. but hey..
Well.. thats that, I don't wish to waste time posting here in this section no more. Everyone has free will of choice and ultimately comes down to them. What you follow, what you believe. Truth is as truthful as what you believe. But there is ultimate truth. Somehow.. I am neither a politician nor ever will be. I am still a human being. "never trust a politician who wants power"..
I'm not even going to say what is going through my head right now, because it will surely get me banned, but you are the exact kind of person that makes me and many of my other American colleagues not like many people and their opinions in other countries. In fact, I'm going to go ahead and say it: I despise you and I despise even more your petty and narrow opinions on MY people and MY way of life and MY government, so just shut the fuck up.
You are obviously anti-American, anti-capitalist, and anti-democracy. We don't want to hear your little spiel about how bad the US is anymore and we've been telling you for weeks. So do us all a favor and SHUT UP!!
Addressing the issue at hand, and I am really pissed, so cut me some slack on this. Your little ideas on why the US exists is so narrow-minded and down-right ignorant that you have totally defeated the arguments of Taranaki, Freakray, NSX, and whoever else ever gave a good, fesible argument on here. You shame the US for looking out for itself, when your country milks off of us. You claim that Bush is a bold-face liar, and that he leads us in a terrible way: BS. Ever heard of presidential approval??? Let me ask you this: do you even think before you type??? You give such wacked-out accusations that nobody wants to hear it. Will we find Saddam? Maybe, I don't know....Will we find Bin Laden??? I personally think he's dead. But if you think we can't find the most recognizable figure in Iraq right now, then how easy would it be for Iraq to hide a few cases of chemicals?? Huh?? You are just and anti-American piece of you-know-what. so just shut up!!!
I am so sick and tired of you, and NOBODY HERE LIKES YOU, so do us all a favor and GO AWAY!!!!
I apologize to the mods if this comes across as flaming, but I think this needed to be said, and I hope that he realizes it.
gigatron
06-24-2003, 12:57 PM
Hehe, I was just waiting for your reply Pick :) You were just bloodthirty for this from the start when we were in the first argument of the poor... it all goes back to the beginning remember that. I know who I am, and you know who you are. LoL there you go again 'anti-american'. Rofl 'anti-democracy'? You are just blood thirsty and now regardless of what has happened people will listen to what you are saying here :) It's funny how that works.
Whichever way I tried talking with you and yogs your conservative little minds (narrow minded? lol), kept going. That's ok, no on really cares I certainly don't. Believe in what you already believe. School is a life, and you have a life ahead of you. It's always nice to suck up to the mods.
I hope bush gives you flowers for your 'patriotism' (whatever that means to pro-US gov individuals) :D The president is right, so for your sake and his follow along. Ignore the conspirators and the 'evil doers' (ROFLMAO what horse shit, if someone pulled a trick on bush and Bush was embarassed they'd be evil doers too..)
I deeply feel sorry for you. That is all...
Whichever way I tried talking with you and yogs your conservative little minds (narrow minded? lol), kept going. That's ok, no on really cares I certainly don't. Believe in what you already believe. School is a life, and you have a life ahead of you. It's always nice to suck up to the mods.
I hope bush gives you flowers for your 'patriotism' (whatever that means to pro-US gov individuals) :D The president is right, so for your sake and his follow along. Ignore the conspirators and the 'evil doers' (ROFLMAO what horse shit, if someone pulled a trick on bush and Bush was embarassed they'd be evil doers too..)
I deeply feel sorry for you. That is all...
SHOtough
06-24-2003, 01:05 PM
i don't think he can leave without getting in the last word
freakray
06-24-2003, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by gigatron
Hehe, I was just waiting for your reply Pick :) You were just bloodthirty for this from the start when we were in the first argument of the poor... it all goes back to the beginning remember that. I know who I am, and you know who you are. LoL there you go again 'anti-american'. Rofl 'anti-democracy'? You are just blood thirsty and now regardless of what has happened people will listen to what you are saying here :) It's funny how that works.
Whichever way I tried talking with you and yogs your conservative little minds (narrow minded? lol), kept going. That's ok, no on really cares I certainly don't. Believe in what you already believe. School is a life, and you have a life ahead of you. It's always nice to suck up to the mods.
I hope bush gives you flowers for your 'patriotism' (whatever that means to pro-US gov individuals) :D The president is right, so for your sake and his follow along. Ignore the conspirators and the 'evil doers' (ROFLMAO what horse shit, if someone pulled a trick on bush and Bush was embarassed they'd be evil doers too..)
I deeply feel sorry for you. That is all...
Hey, that's not fair, you lied!!!
You said you weren't going to post here anymore.....
...are you sure you aren't going into politics? :tongue:
Hehe, I was just waiting for your reply Pick :) You were just bloodthirty for this from the start when we were in the first argument of the poor... it all goes back to the beginning remember that. I know who I am, and you know who you are. LoL there you go again 'anti-american'. Rofl 'anti-democracy'? You are just blood thirsty and now regardless of what has happened people will listen to what you are saying here :) It's funny how that works.
Whichever way I tried talking with you and yogs your conservative little minds (narrow minded? lol), kept going. That's ok, no on really cares I certainly don't. Believe in what you already believe. School is a life, and you have a life ahead of you. It's always nice to suck up to the mods.
I hope bush gives you flowers for your 'patriotism' (whatever that means to pro-US gov individuals) :D The president is right, so for your sake and his follow along. Ignore the conspirators and the 'evil doers' (ROFLMAO what horse shit, if someone pulled a trick on bush and Bush was embarassed they'd be evil doers too..)
I deeply feel sorry for you. That is all...
Hey, that's not fair, you lied!!!
You said you weren't going to post here anymore.....
...are you sure you aren't going into politics? :tongue:
Pick
06-24-2003, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by gigatron
Hehe, I was just waiting for your reply Pick :) You were just bloodthirty for this from the start when we were in the first argument of the poor... it all goes back to the beginning remember that. I know who I am, and you know who you are. LoL there you go again 'anti-american'. Rofl 'anti-democracy'? You are just blood thirsty and now regardless of what has happened people will listen to what you are saying here :) It's funny how that works.
Whichever way I tried talking with you and yogs your conservative little minds (narrow minded? lol), kept going. That's ok, no on really cares I certainly don't. Believe in what you already believe. School is a life, and you have a life ahead of you. It's always nice to suck up to the mods.
I hope bush gives you flowers for your 'patriotism' (whatever that means to pro-US gov individuals) :D The president is right, so for your sake and his follow along. Ignore the conspirators and the 'evil doers' (ROFLMAO what horse shit, if someone pulled a trick on bush and Bush was embarassed they'd be evil doers too..)
I deeply feel sorry for you. That is all... :thefinger :thefinger :thefinger
Hehe, I was just waiting for your reply Pick :) You were just bloodthirty for this from the start when we were in the first argument of the poor... it all goes back to the beginning remember that. I know who I am, and you know who you are. LoL there you go again 'anti-american'. Rofl 'anti-democracy'? You are just blood thirsty and now regardless of what has happened people will listen to what you are saying here :) It's funny how that works.
Whichever way I tried talking with you and yogs your conservative little minds (narrow minded? lol), kept going. That's ok, no on really cares I certainly don't. Believe in what you already believe. School is a life, and you have a life ahead of you. It's always nice to suck up to the mods.
I hope bush gives you flowers for your 'patriotism' (whatever that means to pro-US gov individuals) :D The president is right, so for your sake and his follow along. Ignore the conspirators and the 'evil doers' (ROFLMAO what horse shit, if someone pulled a trick on bush and Bush was embarassed they'd be evil doers too..)
I deeply feel sorry for you. That is all... :thefinger :thefinger :thefinger
freakray
06-24-2003, 02:07 PM
Oh well, I see where this thread is going.......
IBL:biggrin2:
IBL:biggrin2:
NSX-R-SSJ20K
06-24-2003, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by gigatron
No you are desperate to disprove everything i say ;) It's fun. See that's when you prove my point and I stopped posting. The whole argument began because of 'two' unanonymous characters (who were all jolly over your posts against me). The US gov. is wrong and it'll remain that way. Who's going off topic now? Funny, even my post was the first most related to the topic but I got criticized for going off topic :D I wonder who's desperate on this damn forum... All the posts above me were about.. flamethrowers or something? Ya..
Whether he is alive or not doesn't matter.. just how it doesn't matter how Bin Laden is either dead or alive.. Their faith doesn't matter, whether they are dead or alive, what matters is that they remain boogey man. Meant to jump out to remind the ignorant and innoscent people of what they are, what they did, etc... but just remind them, while there is another war happening. Maybe some day they will get caught but hmm.. That whole region is under fire... surprisngly except Israel, who has invaded in the past... has wmd since the 60s, threatened to use wmd without questions in retaliation (sounds 'logical' but.. sheesh). Threatened it's neighbours before, during and after the current Iraqi war. And spied and had its planes shot down before, during and after the war over Syria and Lebannon. So Syria, Iran, Lebannon and yes Saudi Arabia are all under fire constantly. Syria and Iran are next, Iran has been slowly under fire.. North Korea is just out there.. Like I said North Korea is a joker card.. Bah pro-US gov. people criticized me about my views on the war in Iraq.. but turned out it did happen and they were decieved.. yet some are persistant and still think this war was justified. Whether these two clowns are dead or not.. seems regardless, they may or may not be found but currently they are just boogey man meant to keep the public on their toes. If people are afraid or in fear, it results from lack of knowledge, they want answers they can seek them themselves and/or take someone for a protector, a government is a perfect candidate because the gov. is suppose to protect them and nourish them per say.. sacrifice your freedom, get your security woohoo.
I really don't care about your points anymore ;) There is no reason in this matter whichever side you look at.. The US gov. will do whatever it wants it doesn't care if they didn't catch Bin Laden. Does it trully care if Saddam is caught? There are simple signs what they care about. People still find it hard that a part of this war was yes on oil. I mean cmon.. taking over an oil ministry... while not preventing the lootings. In fact ENCOURAGING them.. Bah going off topic.. Really doesn't matter, neither side really has the power to change the US gov. opinion of what they do. Public talk shows can stirr up thought amongst people.. but usually that is controlled. The most unbiased show is counterspin on BBC or CBC I forget.. you get two opposites arguing and discussing. the most pro-US gov. people and the most anti-US gov. people. Total opposites.. and its very interesting.. its also interesting to see the audience respond or give signs.. a forum will do little to nothing lol.. but hey.. don't say I didn't warn about the US gov.'s frenzy :X Saying "all governments are corrupt" I don't buy.. yes sure to differing degrees.. its sad but true.. but the most corrupt is the US imho.. Some have come to say to be 'great' the US gov. MUST do all this... and they'd say "look at the romans, how did they become great".. but hey..
Well.. thats that, I don't wish to waste time posting here in this section no more. Everyone has free will of choice and ultimately comes down to them. What you follow, what you believe. Truth is as truthful as what you believe. But there is ultimate truth. Somehow.. I am neither a politician nor ever will be. I am still a human being. "never trust a politician who wants power"..
I am ?
I can't be bothered to read most of your posts here's how much i read of this Piece of propoganda crap No you are desperate to disprove everything i say
No you are desperate to disprove everything i say ;) It's fun. See that's when you prove my point and I stopped posting. The whole argument began because of 'two' unanonymous characters (who were all jolly over your posts against me). The US gov. is wrong and it'll remain that way. Who's going off topic now? Funny, even my post was the first most related to the topic but I got criticized for going off topic :D I wonder who's desperate on this damn forum... All the posts above me were about.. flamethrowers or something? Ya..
Whether he is alive or not doesn't matter.. just how it doesn't matter how Bin Laden is either dead or alive.. Their faith doesn't matter, whether they are dead or alive, what matters is that they remain boogey man. Meant to jump out to remind the ignorant and innoscent people of what they are, what they did, etc... but just remind them, while there is another war happening. Maybe some day they will get caught but hmm.. That whole region is under fire... surprisngly except Israel, who has invaded in the past... has wmd since the 60s, threatened to use wmd without questions in retaliation (sounds 'logical' but.. sheesh). Threatened it's neighbours before, during and after the current Iraqi war. And spied and had its planes shot down before, during and after the war over Syria and Lebannon. So Syria, Iran, Lebannon and yes Saudi Arabia are all under fire constantly. Syria and Iran are next, Iran has been slowly under fire.. North Korea is just out there.. Like I said North Korea is a joker card.. Bah pro-US gov. people criticized me about my views on the war in Iraq.. but turned out it did happen and they were decieved.. yet some are persistant and still think this war was justified. Whether these two clowns are dead or not.. seems regardless, they may or may not be found but currently they are just boogey man meant to keep the public on their toes. If people are afraid or in fear, it results from lack of knowledge, they want answers they can seek them themselves and/or take someone for a protector, a government is a perfect candidate because the gov. is suppose to protect them and nourish them per say.. sacrifice your freedom, get your security woohoo.
I really don't care about your points anymore ;) There is no reason in this matter whichever side you look at.. The US gov. will do whatever it wants it doesn't care if they didn't catch Bin Laden. Does it trully care if Saddam is caught? There are simple signs what they care about. People still find it hard that a part of this war was yes on oil. I mean cmon.. taking over an oil ministry... while not preventing the lootings. In fact ENCOURAGING them.. Bah going off topic.. Really doesn't matter, neither side really has the power to change the US gov. opinion of what they do. Public talk shows can stirr up thought amongst people.. but usually that is controlled. The most unbiased show is counterspin on BBC or CBC I forget.. you get two opposites arguing and discussing. the most pro-US gov. people and the most anti-US gov. people. Total opposites.. and its very interesting.. its also interesting to see the audience respond or give signs.. a forum will do little to nothing lol.. but hey.. don't say I didn't warn about the US gov.'s frenzy :X Saying "all governments are corrupt" I don't buy.. yes sure to differing degrees.. its sad but true.. but the most corrupt is the US imho.. Some have come to say to be 'great' the US gov. MUST do all this... and they'd say "look at the romans, how did they become great".. but hey..
Well.. thats that, I don't wish to waste time posting here in this section no more. Everyone has free will of choice and ultimately comes down to them. What you follow, what you believe. Truth is as truthful as what you believe. But there is ultimate truth. Somehow.. I am neither a politician nor ever will be. I am still a human being. "never trust a politician who wants power"..
I am ?
I can't be bothered to read most of your posts here's how much i read of this Piece of propoganda crap No you are desperate to disprove everything i say
Egg_Shen
06-25-2003, 03:36 PM
you guys done getting owned by gigatron yet ?
freakray
06-25-2003, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by Egg_Shen
you guys done getting owned by gigatron yet ?
who's getting owned? :confused:
you guys done getting owned by gigatron yet ?
who's getting owned? :confused:
NSX-R-SSJ20K
06-25-2003, 04:35 PM
don't worry its just a Newbie
Egg_Shen
06-25-2003, 04:39 PM
:cool:
NSX-R-SSJ20K
06-25-2003, 04:41 PM
on another note
no nobody is owned by Gigatron
because nobody can be bothered to read his stupid long posted to be owned by Gigatron. :loser:
no nobody is owned by Gigatron
because nobody can be bothered to read his stupid long posted to be owned by Gigatron. :loser:
taranaki
06-25-2003, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by gigatron
I really don't care about your points anymore ;)
Well.. thats that, I don't wish to waste time posting here in this section no more.
This is the best news I have heard all week.Thank you and shut the door behind yourself.You can be damn sure that if we could secure the door behind you,there would be a rush of members all mad keen to throw the bolt.
Have a nice day.A long way away.:smile:
I really don't care about your points anymore ;)
Well.. thats that, I don't wish to waste time posting here in this section no more.
This is the best news I have heard all week.Thank you and shut the door behind yourself.You can be damn sure that if we could secure the door behind you,there would be a rush of members all mad keen to throw the bolt.
Have a nice day.A long way away.:smile:
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