Addicted to Turbo

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To all of you fellow turbo nuts. I have a 91 gsx that i just got pissed off at and tore it to pieces. I ran 11.65 with it last year and it wasn't fast enough, I have completely gutted the car and im starting fresh. I was able to pull off the 11 sixty with the stock turbo running at 27 psi (dont ask, my buddy has been a diamond master tech for over 20 yrs) stock axles and stock tranny with mild engine upgrades and a bunch of hks goodies. I liked the fast spoolup of the smaller t25 (stock) turbo and dont want to trade that for a lagging bigger one. Here is my plan. I have another buddy that said he would build me a twin turbo manifold so i can use 2 smaller turbos instead of 1 massive one thus giving me that faster spool-up. I still have all of the hks goodies : evc, f-con, 1-bov, turbo timer, 3-inch exhaust and 2 stock turbos from an auto (smaller), 2 stock turbos from a manual trans (little bigger). I know im going to have to do a lot of custom tubing and some kind of rediculous cooling process to keep all of that heat down not to mention heads, sleeving the block, trans and axles. But does anyone know how much boost a stock block can hold, and how much can it hold if i bore it over say .020 or .030. any info can help on my suicide mission thanks.

p.s. dont reply saying it cant be done anything can be done with the right amount of time and money and i dont care if i blow up i plan to run nitros and propane too (it will cool it down lol)

the turbo freak
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stock block can hold 22psi

twin turbo dsm nice.. i dnt doubt you but it will be hard.. good luck but i say jus slap on a 20'g n call it a day.. rember itz only a straight 4 motor it will be hard to spool 2 turbo even tho its small...

but thats up to u good luck

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Personally I think you're bs'ing. You ran an 11.6 on a stock Turbo? Right!!!!!! <insert Dr. Evil voice>. So you ran that on 27psi, I'm asking. How?

Rob

hey turboawdgsx u seem to be right i smell b.s.

he said stock t-25.. i taught the t-25 only made around 20psi max.. i doubt 27psi.. and if he was running 27psi why is he only doin 11.6's??

seem kinda wierd..

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hmm twin turbo 4g63? if the japanese didnt do it they must be something wrong with that idear then.... say a big 18g or 20 will do the job better then the two t-25....

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You know what, I seriously considered deleting this post but figured I might as well call you out to keep people from posting such blatant BS.

There are so many inconsistencies in what you are saying its ridiculous!

Let's begin shall we

1. You claim to be running a T-25 as your stock turbo..only wait the T- 25 came on 2G's not on 1G's. The 1G turbo is the 14B.

2. Neither the 14B or the T-25 can build anywhere near 27 psi.

3. Running 27psi without upgraded cylinder head bolts will blow a HG in about 2 seconds

4. NOONE HAS RUN IN THE 11'S ON A 14B OR T-25! There are several that are around 12 flat and you are not any of them.

5. Your 91 GSX has a 3-bolt rear, you claim to have run 11's on the stock drivetrain...DOUBTFUL it has been documented that the 3-bolt typically fails in the mid-twelves

6. You obviously don't know the first thing about DSM's as if you did you would realize that a 20G, capable of sending a 1G AWD into the 10's, hits full spool at 3500rpm. I don't know what you think but 25+psi by 3500rpm on a turbo that can hold that much boost until redline is not laggy in the slightest.

7. If you have ever looked under the hood of your car you would realize you have ONLY ONE cylinder head not mulitple.

8. For some reason, you bought FOUR turbos to make your TT setup

But I don't know why I pointed any of that out to you, obviously you and you DSM "Master Technician" would know all that because you've already run mid 11's :rolleyes:

Now to humor you and answer you questions:

You also should know installing overbored pistons does not detract from the blocks integrity. A stock big rod bottom end can hold up to 30psi without failure. Built 4G63's have run up to 40 pounds without even blinking. Your cooling system will be fine without modification, people that have run TT DSM's have had no problem with that.

Now let me explain why a TT 4 cylinder is a terrible idea.

A. We don't have the exhaust gas flow from our 2.0L to spool two turbos simultaneously. Thus you two normally quick spooling 14B or 13G will spool twice as slow and feel like a 60-1.

B. Both the IC and exhaust piping is a nightmare because you have NO room under the hood to put another turbo.

Now, if you had simply wanted to know details about building a high hp 4G63 or about twin turboing a DSM, you should've just asked. Don't try to BS people, it never works.

Peace

Here's my take,

T-25 came on the 2nd gen eclipses. He lists a 91 GSX in his profile.

2nd) 27psi out of a T-25 is just plain stupid. Pretty much anything above 15psi is pretty useles.

3rd) He's just listing parts. It's pretty much like saying, "I've viewed tons of DSM sites, & this is what I would throw together". Cars are like cooking, you can't just throw a bunch of shit together & expect it to taste good/work like that.

4th) "stock axles and stock tranny with mild engine upgrades and a bunch of hks goodies." Mild upgrades? Sure man, I know guys with TONS more work & knowledge, yet are still stuck in the 12's with me. I've honestly run a 12.625@112 mph. I'd love to see his MPH, 60's, ANYTHING!!

Rob:nutkick:

Posted at the same time Aves

Rob

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LOL no kidding Rob, gotta love those "take my word for it I ran an 8 flat" timeslips:biggrin:

hehe i knew he was b.s.

you people are the men!

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Thanks alot everyone, i noted all of my parts to get ideas. I am a track nut that didn't BS ONE WORD IN THAT THREAD.

for the editors info I have owned 3GSX's this one happens to be a 1G which I decided to keep because I liked the way the much lighter car reacted on the strip, and no I was not dumb enough to spend money on all of those turbos. As I said my Bud works for PARK RIDGE MITSUBISHI, PARK RIDGE ILL (cheap even free parts). I also have 2 extra blocks a parts car and an extra head. As for not having problems pulling the 11.6. I blew a head broke an axle and finally blew out an HKS gasket and warped the last head that's the reason it is in the garage right now torn to pcs. The stock turbo can and did hold 25 psi and peaked out at 27 I have the head to prove it. I am a serious about trying to get the TT to work, I do have enough room for all of the piping we removed the front clip tore out the ac unit and pushed the radiator forward you should see how much room their is. the reason I posted this thread was not to BS people im not a 16 yr old that just got his first strip car i just wanted some ideas because im nutz enough to do it and have the resources to follow through.

4. NOONE HAS RUN IN THE 11'S ON A 14B OR T-25! There are several that are around 12 flat and you are not any of them.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54331

Check out post 19.:wink:

The thread starter is a tool regardless.

If you are serious about this, go to www.dsmtuners.com or www.dsmtalk.com and search the archives for "twin turboing". There are guys on those boards that have done it and written reviews.

Peace

I read this thread via a link from DSMTuners.com

I signed up for this forum for one reason only.

To cyber-b*tch-slap you

Man what the h*ll is wrong with you. I seen only one guy ran 24 psi on the stock 14b and that was with serious fuel management and 116 Octance Racing Fuel, you need help.

Seek psychriatic help, man.

oops forgot the cyber-b*tch-slap

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laserspeeddemon,

I really didnt post that thread to explain every aspect of my OLD SETUP the stock turbo did peak at 27 with a heavily modified fuel setup which included hks injectors and not one but two aftermarket fuel pumps ran in series to keep up with the boost. And guess what I still leaned out and got a SH)$load of KNOCK (which warped my head) I warped the head so damn bad I was blowing boost into my coolant lines and blowing radiator hoses.

SO RIGHT BACK AT YA WITH THE "CYBER-B*TCH-SLAP"


SEE YA IN MY REAR-VIEW
LIQUIFIED56

Look man, I don't know what you are talking about.

"I ran HKS injectors with two aftermarket fuel pumps in series"

That's garbage, the only way you ran two pumps in series is if they were external. And one external pump is more than enough to run 9's on a DSM. Jeez the SX pump is rated to 1000hp or something like that. Again, quite posting on here with bogus info about your "old setup". And knock doesnt warp the head, excessive heat does. Knock damages pistons and rods. I have a 255lph DROP IN pump with 720cc injectors and on my Big16G I had to dial the fuel pressure way down to run the AFC rich enough to even get proper timing.

Unless you bought HKS 240cc honda injectors and your aftermarket fuel pumps were OEM metro pumps, you would not have leaned out on a 14b if you had installed what you claimed to have installed.

Either that or you are an idiot and cannot tune whatsoever.

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This dude is such a fool. Maybe he will go away.

Originally posted by LandoAWD


http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54331

Check out post 19.:wink:

The thread starter is a tool regardless.


Yeah, but that was on a 14b! Not the

"I liked the fast spoolup of the smaller t25 (stock) turbo and dont want to trade that for a lagging bigger one."

as he so well started this with. Typo or not, you don't confuse the 2nd gen stock turbo with the bigger TD05-14b. True? This guy is a tool. Have fun in internet funland tool!

Rob

Maybe you should read the whole of what I quoted.


"4. NOONE HAS RUN IN THE 11'S ON A 14B OR T-25! There are several that are around 12 flat and you are not any of them."

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this is a funnie thread..
we have a poser.. some one that knows this poser and joined af jus to cyber slap him.. the poser keeps posting information that doesn't fit together..

and aves911 keeps correcting him..

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damm it jus stop all of this and get a big 20g and do low10's damm it!!

20'g baby!!!:icon16:

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Lando,

I was pointing out his inconsitencies in his story. I don't doubt it's possible, but LIQUIFIED56s story just sounds like crap. The guy who did that over on tooners, sounds like he knew what he was talking about. Not this buffon though. People like him are the reason that online credibility is going the way of the carburator. LOL

Rob

alright all of you so i f%&ked up and said i was running a t-25 i just checked it was a 14b so let me pucker up here and slap away so i am a DSM moron and need a little help here.

For reference i was steady at about 24 psi i pulled a 11.95 and 11.90 on the last run the boost jumped to 27 it did heat up and warp the head the manifold was glowing red but dam it i did pull that 11.65 now it is a junk pile with a bunch of parts that hopefully will go down the track again.

As far as the fuel pump goes it was the techs idea hey it made sense to me 2 is always better then 1 right. I dont plan on going away anytime soon and i would like some help with this next project because damit you half to admit it would be bad ass if i could spool up two of those b*tches.

I just want to clear my name any pics you guys want let me know i can go in the garage and snap away at the torn up P.O.S.

sorry about the mis info fellas

Cool, cool. You qouted me, and I thought you may have missed what I was going for.....also, its TUNERS; not tooners:bigthumb:
We have been cleaning up a lot of garbage recently.

Originally posted by LIQUIFIED56
For reference i was steady at about 24 psi i pulled a 11.95 and 11.90 on the last run the boost jumped to 27 it did heat up and warp the head the manifold was glowing red but dam it i did pull that 11.65 now it is a junk pile with a bunch of parts that hopefully will go down the track again.


BS. Post a slip or stop lying.

Originally posted by LIQUIFIED56
alright all of you so i f%&ked up and said i was running a t-25 i just checked it was a 14b so let me pucker up here and slap away so i am a DSM moron and need a little help here.

As far as the fuel pump goes it was the techs idea hey it made sense to me 2 is always better then 1 right. I dont plan on going away anytime soon and i would like some help with this next project because damit you half to admit it would be bad ass if i could spool up two of those b*tches.

sorry about the mis info fellas

I'm sorry, one lie leads to one more, then another..then another.... blah blah blah. You just checked your turbo & saw it was a different one? Whatever man. I can list off every single piece I've ever put on my car or taken off. You don't just say "Whoops? I didn't know I had a 20g, I thought I had a T3/T4". go away douche.

Rob

How do you mistake the T-25 for a 14b?!? The look completely different on the compressor side. And your tech needs to stop, Only a Large ass engine running shit loads of boost might need 2 High-flow fuel pumps, like the cosmos or something.

Next on the list : Your e-manny was glowing red, what the hell did you do to make it glow, Iron has a high melting point which is why we use it for exhaust parts. Making it glow would take about 1000+ degrees F.

If you want help on tuning your DSM, ask don't BS and expect to get a good response. I like helping people tune thier car, any car. Its fun.

Originally posted by laserspeeddemon

Next on the list : Your e-manny was glowing red, what the hell did you do to make it glow, Iron has a high melting point which is why we use it for exhaust parts. Making it glow would take about 1000+ degrees F.



Ummmmm.......mine always glows after a good run or two. I light smokes off of it :)

FWIW, 1550f to 1600f is still in acceptable temp range (pushing it, though).

That guy still needs to come clean.

alright rob in case you didnt notice i said i had a couple of gsxs when you can afford to play with a few cars let me know. You try to remember all of the mods over 12 yrs thats right i have owned that one the whole time. so till then pull your dick out of my tail pipe.

any help on the TT idea would help me and to all the critics blow me

Yeah, thats the way to get help:rolleyes:

You sir, SUCK.

sorry lando, the dam critics are driving me nuts I am very serious about this project and only noted all of that so they new I was, dont mean to be a dick but all everyone wants to do on this site is cut up.

Originally posted by LIQUIFIED56
alright rob in case you didnt notice i said i had a couple of gsxs when you can afford to play with a few cars let me know. You try to remember all of the mods over 12 yrs thats right i have owned that one the whole time. so till then pull your dick out of my tail pipe.

any help on the TT idea would help me and to all the critics blow me

Who said anything about affording multiple cars? There's no need when I can keep my GSX running safely & still be fast. Also the remembering every mod thing was a basic line. If you don't know what turbo is on your car, you're retarded nubie. Plain & Simple. Also if you're the DSM genius, why don't you & your "(dont ask, my buddy has been a diamond master tech for over 20 yrs)" to give you a hand. Or my fault, this is the same genius who recommended "2" fuel pumps b/c you're making so much power. If you're running 11.6's in the 1/4 in an AWD, what was your mph? 60'? I would think when you're in 10/11 second territory, you'd atleast be able to rifle off some of the BASIC stuff on your car.. not just "All the HKS goodies..blah blah blah".

Look Aves posted a couple links for you to do some searching on. How about you look/listen/comprehend the info you get, then maybe, just maybe you won't be on here having to lie & make up stories just to get an answer?

And to quote someone else, "PS. Post a slip or stop lying. "

Rob
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