You can get it at invoice!

Hey all,

Just got the Performance model last night - and yes, it can be done at invoice. Just call around, be patient, and you can grab it.

If you talk to a dealer that says "invoice on a Z, it can't be done" (as I was numerous times), get up, walk, and go to the next one....

One dealer said that if I could get it at invoice, I should go back and wave...what do you think?

It seems very strange for a dealership to let one go at invoice:eek7:

Did you have a trade?

Was it a demo?

How much did you pay for it?

no trade, only had 16 miles, and was totally clean....

saw the invoice - less than the online ones - around 29 and change...

found a good dealer that says he's interested in volume and service - he sold me. I did a lot of shopping, am in sales, and not easy to convince.

If he sold i to you at invoice he got his ass ripped!
I work for the # 1 Nissan Dealership in Houston, TX and I know for a fact we would let you walk before negotiating on a Z.
You really shouldnt tell people that cause they will end up passing up the color and options that one dealer might have just cause you have them thinking it can be done!
Please list the dealership you bought it at so that others can experience this!
On one last note.... If you had a problem paying sticker than you obviously dont realize the value of what you had, but personally I dont believe you!

You said: "I work for the # 1 Nissan Dealership in Houston, TX and I know for a fact we would let you walk before negotiating on a Z."

That is why I didn't buy it from a dealer like you....whether or not you believe me is your choice, but I am the one that wrote the check and am driving it.

Oh, and yes, I do realize the value of what I got - and work hard to pay for it.

People will end up buying/not buying what they want, but it's dealers like you that say it can't be done that drive me insane - Are you the same type of dealer that insists on the $3,000+ ADM on cars when they come out? - a markup that one website calls "Arrogant Dealer Markup"

Is my saying that I got it at invoice so scary to you because your profit machine may be slowly fizziling away - at least until the drop tops come out?

Tip for everyone out there....check out www.carbuyingtips.com before you go - you'll learn a lot about getting a good deal.

Well let me tell you something PAL, We never sell a car over MSRP, that is not how we got # 1.
But let me share this with you... The only money I make is off commission and I there is nothing I cant stand more than someone like yourself who is just out there to grind out a deal. I only make money off of the profit of the car wich is the difference between MSRP and invoice.

I work very hard for my customers and I know my product well, so I feel that some ass who has to have it at invoice doesnt care about me feeding my wife and kid, and is usually the one who wants the most of me.
If you didnt have a professional salesman than maybe you should get a discount, but still yet, try your hand @ commission sales my friend.

Dont try to make me or my dealership out to be the bad guy because we are not. You should do research as to how dealerships and sales representatives got bad names, it wasnt selling a car at sticker that did it, it was because during WWII the assembly lines were used to make ammunitions,tanks, and plane parts and the Consumer had to apply to the federal government before they could buy a car bo matter how much money they had, thus the dealers took advantage of it and Stuck it to the consumer.
My dealership has never and will never do that.
I resent your IGNORANT remarks, and you are honestly the kind of customer I truly DO NOT WANT.
You apparantly hold no appreciation in a job well done and are self-centered enough to think that people should work for free.

P.S. I noticed you didnt list the dealership or your pics of your Z.

I hate car salesmen, including Nissancarguy76.

I hate it even more when sales people use this line,"I got kids to feed !".
I bet you((Nissancarguy76) didn't care didly shit about the customers you screw over.

way to go newzandlovinit !

I'm thinking about a nice clean used NSX myself.....hmmmm.

Originally posted by NissanGuy76
Well let me tell you something PAL, We never sell a car over MSRP, that is not how we got # 1.
But let me share this with you... The only money I make is off commission and I there is nothing I cant stand more than someone like yourself who is just out there to grind out a deal. I only make money off of the profit of the car wich is the difference between MSRP and invoice.

I work very hard for my customers and I know my product well, so I feel that some ass who has to have it at invoice doesnt care about me feeding my wife and kid, and is usually the one who wants the most of me.
If you didnt have a professional salesman than maybe you should get a discount, but still yet, try your hand @ commission sales my friend.

Dont try to make me or my dealership out to be the bad guy because we are not. You should do research as to how dealerships and sales representatives got bad names, it wasnt selling a car at sticker that did it, it was because during WWII the assembly lines were used to make ammunitions,tanks, and plane parts and the Consumer had to apply to the federal government before they could buy a car bo matter how much money they had, thus the dealers took advantage of it and Stuck it to the consumer.
My dealership has never and will never do that.
I resent your IGNORANT remarks, and you are honestly the kind of customer I truly DO NOT WANT.
You apparantly hold no appreciation in a job well done and are self-centered enough to think that people should work for free.

P.S. I noticed you didnt list the dealership or your pics of your Z.
My brother was a salesman. He was very good. He got screwed over by a lot of fellow emloyees unfortunately. You have a family to feed do you??? You know that's not the only job available. You can get another one if you need money. And don't tell me you don't go without money, because my brother would get about 2grand on one deal if the price was right. That's in one day. Yes I admit that is a little weird he didn't post the dealership, nor a picture...:disappoin

Its pretty simple guys!
I get commisssion off the profit of a car and not by selling it at cost.
I spend 2-5 hours getting you lined out so you can show off your Z-car and for all my trouble make 75 bucks?
How many cars do you think the best salesman sells per month?

If all cars were sold @ cost you would be sorry for the fact of having to drive to a factory or import a car individually and then you would pay a duty on anything overseas! You would pay more for the car and in fact they would probably go out of business.
how do dealerships keep the lights on?
I dont "screw" anyone and I care a great deal about my customers which is why I give them a professional who cares about their needs and stay on top of my product knowledge so I can show them why it is such a great car!
The Z is the best car for the money and the last time I checked, you and everyone else will go to Foleys or Dillards and pay Retail Price on a shirt or slacks but for some reason you arent getting screwed there.
But omg let someone make a little money off a car and here goes MR. Customer throwing a shit fit!
I dont care if you hate me cause you probably hate a lot of people, but I like my job and the mark up in any Nissan is marginal compared to other vehicles.
I mean, without a salesman you cant buy a car, so next time you go to buy one please tell me you hate me so I wont waste time on you cause money is not so important that I would WORK WITH AN ASSHOLE to draw a check.
95% of my customers like me and I like them as well.
The others can go some where else for all I car!
Its not arrogance, its simply mutual respect, and I should not be begrudged for trying to make a living.
So the next time you go into Foleys or Dillards you go ahead and tell them you wanna see the invoice on all your clothes before you buy them and they will throw your ass out of the store!

P.S. I could not ever make even $1,000 unless some guy ordered all kinds of wierd extra shit from aftermarket.

I just wish everyone would try sales for just one month and then maybe they would change their minds.
Yes, there are terrible salesman and dishonest people out there but how is selling a car @ sticker dishonest? Especially when you have a fantastic product.

I agree with you. But on a 40 grand car you can make 1k or more if the person has even one accessory (which most cars do). My brother has did this once or twice and it is very hard to do. True, there are a lot of salesmen that bs you and suck up to you the whole time, even after you have already paid for the car, when does it stop?!? Now I do think it is wrong that if someone can only pay so much for a car, find the price they want, go to get it, and can't because dealers want to make money, then they just let them walk off and say "they'll be back" (I have heard this numerous times lately). My Mother and Father just bought themself a automobile. My Mom got ripped off by the financer (even though my Dad was with her), my brother was with my Dad when he got his, and he didn't get ripped off. I like salespeople who treat you like a friend and not like a customer. BTW, do you have a suggestion of a honest #1 (iyo) dealership in GA that has Z's??? Also, I do think it isn't fair for people to waste your time deciding if they like the price or not when you could be getting another customer setup to buy so you actually make something...

you only see things in your tunneled perspective....like a typical salesmen.
if there was no salesmen(boy do I wish), don't you think there would be other means to buying a car ? duh ?

last time I checked, making $75.00 for working 3.5 hours average ((2+5)/2) is pretty dame good. let's see that equals to $21.43 dollars an hour average but you're not happy with it ?? you need a reality check.... like you say it's pretty simple.

see the problem with the sticker price is that it could be and most likely inflated numbers so how can consumers feel comfortable about paying sticker ?? bottom line, if you're paying sticker you're paying too much period.

what the hell are you doing in this board anyway car salesman, go out there and sell some cars you got wife and kids to feed remember ??

Originally posted by dentistnotreally
you only see things in your tunneled perspective....like a typical salesmen.
if there was no salesmen(boy do I wish), don't you think there would be other means to buying a car ? duh ?

last time I checked, making $75.00 for working 3.5 hours average ((2+5)/2) is pretty dame good. let's see that equals to $21.43 dollars an hour average but you're not happy with it ?? you need a reality check.... like you say it's pretty simple.

see the problem with the sticker price is that it could be and most likely inflated numbers so how can consumers feel comfortable about paying sticker ?? bottom line, if you're paying sticker you're paying too much period.

what the hell are you doing in this board anyway car salesman, go out there and sell some cars you got wife and kids to feed remember ??
That's a bad attitude, he is a person...grow up.:rolleyes:

Well a good salesman sells between 9-12 cars per month!
Usually stays at the dealership about 10 hours a day !

Do the math my friend.
Nobody is getting rich selling cars, we are just getting by.

P.S. what do you do for a living that makes me such a scumbag?
How many times have you cheated on your wife Mr. Dentist?
Who do you thinkyou are to judge me?

Before you go calling me names and acting like an ass, why dont you take a long hard look in the mirror in the morning!

nissan350tt,
Sorry I dodnt respond, I will look for dealerships in GA with High CSI scores for you and post again!
I go to work tomorrow afternoon and I will see what I can find.
I appreciate your kind words.

You guys are so funny. You'll bitch back and forth forever...amazing. I just have a quick question for Nissanguy. I always wanted to get a job in car sales since I've loved cars my whole life, but it always seemed to mystify me just HOW this is done. It seems that, unless you have oodles of sales experience, they won't even look at you twice. Bottom line: how the HELL do you get a job selling cars?

Originally posted by longlivetheZ
You guys are so funny. You'll bitch back and forth forever...amazing. I just have a quick question for Nissanguy. I always wanted to get a job in car sales since I've loved cars my whole life, but it always seemed to mystify me just HOW this is done. It seems that, unless you have oodles of sales experience, they won't even look at you twice. Bottom line: how the HELL do you get a job selling cars?
I think getting the job is not hard, especially if you are outgoing and know a lot about cars. You have to be outgoing, competitive, stubborn, stingy, nice, respectful, knowledgeable and not suck up to win at this job.

that's a lot of stuff....however, I think I could pull it off. Maybe I will get my chance someday...I think it would be fun.

thanks

--Brent

Basically if you can look the guy who is interviewing you in the eyes and make him like you that you already have the most important part over with!
Then you must develope skills to help you to better sell.

1st impression, meet and greet, rapore & investigation, product presentation and demonstration and then take the customer to the service department!

all can be learned except your appearance and the ability to have people like you.

I like and enjoy meeting new people and I have people who help me as I help them, and then I have the 10 % of people whom have a chip on their shoulder about sales people and car buying in general and as I said before I really dont care to work with them anyway!

YOU can be honest and still make a living in this business, in fact its the honest ones who build up a good clientel and have lots of refferals.
The shady ones never do anything truly exceptional.

hope that info helped!

Good info. I've always been good at getting people to like me...(I think...:P)... I've done sales before and I always did well at it. I think I'd be good at it....only prob is....I NEVER GOT AN INTERVIEW! Oh well. I just graduated from Florida Culinary Institute, so I have something to do...

nissan350tt,
you a salesman too?
NissanGuy76 is not a person, he is a salesman. Salesman are different species all together. We have seen 2 examples in this thread alone salesman screwing another salesman have we not ? (newzandlovinit screwed salesman for invoice(I like) and your brother getting screwed by his coworker(no coment, don't know your brother).
I rest my case.


NissanGuy76,
Let's face it you're only here cus you think you can maybe find potential customers here and that's fine, but don't jump on anyone(newzandlovinit and me) here cus he got a good deal and that is the reason I judge you the way I judge you. How well did I judge you anway ?

if we all payed sticker that "good salesman" who sells 9-12 cars a month is making $10,000 + a month off us. Why should we make you rich by selling us a car that we want to drive in ? and if you want to make a point about working 10 hrs. a day, that is your fault cus you chose your profession and you fully knew about it. You have taken that responsibility just like you have taken the responsibility of being a father and a husband so you can't say, "I got wife and kids to feed also". I hate that.

I'll do the math alright. You see, numbers don't lie unless you hide them. here is a quote from Yahoo Auto about 350z price:

invoice / sticker
Coupe $24,158 / $26,269 commission:$2,111
Enthusiast $25,683 / $28,249 commission:$2,566
Performance $27,664 / $30,429 commission:$2,765
Touring $28,718 / $31,589 commission:$2,871
Track $30,627 / $34,079 commission:$3,452

you sayed you get paid what is left between invoice and sticker did you not? I'll be nice, let's say the dealer gets $500 from each car sales but that still leaves you and the finance guy plenty commission to devide from and I didn't add any options,extended warranty,trade-ins, dealer add ons, or any other devious ways you make money off from. Granted you're not selling high dollar cars all the time but you get my drift...
bottom line, we all know we shouldn't pay sticker. but then again some of us do and than there are others who like to be spanked on the ass.

I have a scumbag called scrotum but I'm not a scumbag. far from it.
And jesus you haven't got it yet ? I told you I'm not a dentist really,atleast not yet but yes space vehical tech would make me balls.

I thought I was acting very professionally(he he) and to the point(ha ha) and what does happen when you look at yourselt hard at the mirror ?
I mean can you scare the jesus out of your soul?
why don't you try that and tell me know so we'll both know.

longlivethez,
you want to sell cars?
you know my thoughts about salespeople...
sell an 18 wheeler if you really want to sell cars, now we're talking gookoo commissions...
all you need to sell is 6 a year and you're set for the who year!

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet. 18 wheelers would be sweet ass. I always wanted to drive one of those things. Especially ever since I saw one do the ULTIMATE brake stand.

i paid 31,000 out the door for my enthusiast

I'll do the math alright. You see, numbers don't lie unless you hide them. here is a quote from Yahoo Auto about 350z price:

invoice / sticker
Coupe $24,158 / $26,269 commission:$2,111
Enthusiast $25,683 / $28,249 commission:$2,566
Performance $27,664 / $30,429 commission:$2,765
Touring $28,718 / $31,589 commission:$2,871
Track $30,627 / $34,079 commission:$3,452:

You just showed what a dumbass you really are!
If Car salesman made that kinda Money everyone who could sell, would sell!

I have no Problem sleeping at night nor looking myslef in the mirror, but I certainly have no respect for people like yourself who talk out their ass and then prove they dont know what they are talking about!
Im not edmunds or any other place so I wont break down my pay scale to some punk "Joe College Dentist wannabe".
You are not smarter than I so do not try to belittle me with your morale speeches.
Dentist it's plain and simple, You are a very square, intellectual type whom doesnt feel good about himself so you go into a forum and try to bash others.
I dont need to go to forums to get customers because if I did I would tell you that you are a Loser and need to go ahead and get your degreee in tormenting people who have ridiculed you with your drill.

I wish you a long life filled with Dental assistants as ugly as you are!
:icon16:
P.S. I really dont give a damn what you think!
:thefinger

As for all others, I am sorry for my behavior in this thread but he started it

HA....NOOO...HE STARTED IT.....:rolleyes:

if you're not here trying to sell cars than stop advertising youself here.

I'm more like Joe dentist will be. I'm starting forth year this fall.

I think it's too late for you to apologize you have shown your true colors.
have I used any derogatory term to describe you ? nope.
I am calm and collected and you're losing it.

you are a true salesman if you can go sleep well at night after ripping of countless customers.

you yourself have said that you make money that is sticker minus invoice have you not ??? now you're saying otherwise???
somebody is not telling the truth here or maybe someone is plain getting screwed !
this is what I think, I think you are lying or you have 3 dicks up your ars, one big fat one that belongs to the dealer you work for and one just as fat and round and lenghty one that is your managers' and one medium one that belongs to the finance person. What have we got ? salesman screwing salesman.

p.s. remember me when you visit your dentist and ask him what he drives.

Congrats on getting the car at invoice, that would be a sweet deal. :)

As for salesmen - they aren't all bad but for the most part they are useless. Before the Internet, salesmen were needed because for the most part car information was not readily available to the consumer. The only real source of information was to talk to your salesman, contact the manufacturers head office, magazines or word-of-mouth. With the Internet you have full access to everything you could possibly want to know about the car you want. What does the salesman really offer you? In my opinion not much.

The salesmen I've encountered do not really know their products in-depth. I've gone into dealerships and asked a variety of questions and got the classic response, "I'll have to find that out for you." If all you are there for is to tell me how much torque and horsepower a car has, well I'm sorry but since I can read, I'll just get the information from the brochure, thank you.

Where I live, when looking at expensive cars (above $40k CDN) salesmen refuse to let you test drive the car unless you put down a deposit. Excuse me? I don't think so.

Dealerships would make a lot more money if they cut out the middle-man, i.e. the salesman. Instead of paying someone commission they could invest in a really fantastic set of brochures with detailed information and the "sales pitch." Obviously they'd still need staff to park the cars, take people out on test drives, and place the orders but they don't need to be on commission for that. They could then lower the price of their vehicles by a certain margin.

The dealerships, from what I've seen, can make quite a good deal of money on "extras" i.e. skirt packages, spoilers, etc not to mention making money off of service appointments.

So maybe I'm missing something but what does a salesman really have to offer?

Hey dentist, you really are quite the Faggot arent you!?
You are over here talking about dicks in arses and all kinds of wierd shit.

You my friend are a Loser. You came in here screaming about how you hate salesman and how you hate me!
Screw yourself buddy boy, Nobody needs your shit.
As for me saying that- YOU ARE WRONG!
I said I dont make money off a car that is sold @ invoice.

Why dont you take your big words up to a salesman and see how far you get you PRICK!

Keep responding and I will keep throwing back at you.
You dont know what the hell you are talking about all you know is what your fat ass slob of a father told you growing up.

P.S. nobody gives a shit about your "about to be a dentist ass"
Dentists and Doctors are athe biggest rip off artist in the world.
Be rest assured if you came on the lot and started talking crazy shit I would just whoop your ass on the spot.
Keep talking fucker, you dont bother me.

NissanGuy76,
you've had alot of aggression in you for a long time haven't you ? We can tell. Maybe you've had the fat ass slob of a father when you were going up telling you things like,"son, when you grow up I want you to be a car salesman cus tat's the shit". Where is he now ? is he still a fat ass slob ?

you seem to only remember what you want to remember so let me quote you what you said earlier, "I only make money off of the profit of the car wich is the difference between MSRP and invoice". and another quote just to show everyone what kind of a salesman you are if they haven't figured it out already,"I can't stand more than someone like yourself who is just out there to grind out a deal." Tell you the truth you don't make any sense when you write most of the times......10th grade too hard for you? so you flunked out?
Anyhow, MSRP is sticker price is it not ? or is sticker price much higher than MSRP ? if it is, than that should get you even bigger commission shouldn't it ? are you capable of following this or do I need to use drawings and examples for you ?

I know you joined this forum for free advertisement and to sell 350z to unsuspecting customers but you pretty much burned up the bridge if there ever was one.
And I did a magnificent job of bring you out like an ace prosecution lawyer cross examining a criminal. Case closed,my job is done.

p.s. you couldn't hurt a fly, you're just a loud mouth curser.

My God, children...I'm un-subscribing from this thread now. Thank you for the info, nissanguy, and I wouldn't really be surprised if you followed me in un-subscribing.

--Brent

I sell about five 350Zs per month to internet customers.

I am a Fleet Mgr at a Nissan dealership in California.

Finally Nissan produces a vehicle that they don't have to give away at invoice and everyone's upset about it. Geesh, you fuckers should be thrilled that a REAL afforable Sports Car is finally available in the medium level income bracket.

Here's what I know about pricing on this vehicle. I sell the lower priced Performance and Enthusiast models at $500 of MSRP and the more expensive Touring and Track models at $1000-$1500 off MSRP depending on how many I have in stock at the time and what kind of mood my owner is in when I am responding to customer discount inquiries on this car.

If you are ready to purchase at the time of your request then anything can happen and generally does. If on the other hand you going to take a dealer's offer and whore it out all over town to see who'll beat by another $100 then who gives a shit about your ass? Certainly not the car dealer.

If I get a 350Z customer that's a certified jerk and lies to me
(by the way we all know when a customer's full of shit) or come off like thier disinterested I will usually low ball them and then proceed to tell them prices vary depending on availabilty and that I am currently sold out.

This results in the perp hunting up and down the state in search of the elusive deal with no results. Finally after a few weeks they rebound back to me and I sell them at the prices I listed above. Everyone's happy and I make $1,300


On the other hand weird shit happens in this business. Sometimes a dealer will take a skinny ass deal just to steal a deal away from a competitor he doesn't like. I do this all the time. Price wise it's a viscoius business, not for the faint of heart and there aren't very many rules.

As for ripping off customers...
The price you agree to purchase any vehicle for is always your best price. There are two things people just love to lie about. The price that they paid for their new car and how cheap they bought thier home for. Most times neither is true.

LOL!
Yes Please draw me an illustration.
Take your punk ass back to class and stop waisting time!
I dont care about your bullshit cause I dont need this or any other forum to sell shit.
The car sells itself you dumbass, and it will be a long long time before your ass can afford one!

See ya in 2009 fucker!

Hey pal, lay off the doctors and dentists and any other profession that doesn't make commission. It sounds like you definitely have some type of inferiority complex or something. You shouldn't act ashamed of the fact that you don't have some type of lofty degree or job. Be proud of what you do, becuase if you aren't then it's time to move on. And if you don't care what dentistnotreally thinks about you then why do you keep trying to justify yourself to him and the rest of us? And quit attacking everyone else who reads this message board who isn't in sales. I mean it doesn't do any good to apologize in one message and then do the same thing all over again in the next one. Take some responsibility for your actions.

That said, How many 350zs do most dealerships stock in relation to their other cars? Any dealers or salesmen out there have any input on this?

Hey Highway 51, how about a link to your dealership's website. You said you sold nissans over the web right? I am curious to take a peek at your stock. How are the sales going for just the base model? It seams like everyone is always talking about the track or the touring versions... They still sell a base version right?

And did that guy ever say where he got his z so cheap? Or did he just start this brawl and slip out the back door laughing? Just something to think about while the salesman is putting down everyone.

Who the hell are you to jump in the forum and accuse me of attacking everyone who is not a salesman.
I have only attacked a couple of people inthis thread and the guy who started it, did conveniently slip out the back door.
But he didnt hurt me, he just hurt the other consumers who are going to be fishing for something that may or may not materialize.
I dont have an inferiority complex because I have an IQ of 148 and even though that may not be a genius it is still above average intelligence.
I am proud of what I do cause not everyone can do it, I am just simply stating that nobody haggles with a doctor about outrageous prices and yet he makes enough in his first year practicing to pay off his student loans and still buy a car.
Not knocking a doctor just simply stating that if there is value n owning something then the suggested retail price shouldnt be a big deal at all!

Just as you cant put a price on peoples life and hospitals and doctors take advantage of it, but Lowe and behold we never call them crooks or think twice about paying our deductable.
Do you agree?

Hey NissanGuy76 .. can you check for me why my car cannot go over 128 mph while other can go up to 157 .. thanks !

What state do you live in and what model is it? ;)

There is a reason people don't haggle with doctors. It's expected for people to haggle with car salesmen. Don't blame others for this. Blame the first car salesman who allowed it to happen and all the others that continued it. It has become part of the job. If you don't like people thinking its OK to rip you off then don't let it happen to you (it sounds like you don't). I don't blame you one bit for that. I know it must suck to have some guy waltz in and demmand to get a killer deal while you go home with nothing. I agree that those guys can be jerks but that again is part of the job. Deal with it or find something else that you like doing better. Life is too short to be angry with your job.

While I think you have some some grossly inaccurate facts concerning other professions I see somewhat where you are comming from but dude, take a chill pill and calm down. Just stick to what you know and stay to the facts that are relevant to your argument. Don't try to drag others down too. I'm sure there are better places to discuss other people's jobs than an automotive forum. I am curious to know what other people in your office think about the subject. Do they get just as ticked off as you do or do they just go with the flow? Seriously... Do you guys close the door when the customer leaves and then have a good laugh? It might be the best thing under the circumstances.

Newzandlovinit - You sound like you are lying.

Nissanguy76- Don't say anything about doctor's b/c my Dad is one, so chill about that. Anyway, what about a good dealer in Georgia man?

denistnotreally- I am 14, I am not a salesman, might be soon though. I love cars, know a lot about them and will not bs people for a sale. Some salesmen are good and honest (don't bs), other's lie, cheat, and steal for money/a sale. You have a bad attitude, a person is a person regardless, what you said is disrespectful and mean. Your posts have been mostly wrong... A SALESMEN GETS THE PRICE BETWEEN HOW MUCH THE CAR WAS MADE FOR (HOW MUCH NISSAN MADE IT FOR), AND HOW MUCH THE DEALER SALES IT!!! Period, no questions asked... Also, you need to use better grammar. :disappoin

TCN- It won't go up to 157mph, you can get it to about 130 - 140mph.

Digitalfiend- I agree with most of what you said.:thumbsup:

Now as for nissanguy76, and denistnotreally, STOP ACTING LIKE CHILDREN, DENISTNOTREALLY - YOU SAID YOU WERE BEING MATURE AND STUFF BUT YOU WEREN'T, AND NISSANGUY76 - MOST YOU HAVE SAID IS CHILDISH. BOTH OF YOU STOP IT!!! IT/THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!


GROW UP!!!!!!!!!

Well, you know and I know that it takes a good flame war to get to 400 posts, so I found an oppurtunity. J/K
But yes I guess I have over -reacted I will admit ( No more excuses or finger pointing)!

But I love my job and I do take the good with the bad but when someone spends your time and you give them the most professional attitude you can and good product knowledge it does get aggrivated when they try to Steal a car out from under you after all the time you spent on a Saturday, it is aggrivating.
I made 100 bucks last saturday and it was aggrivating considering there were customers who will come in with reasonable offers and let you and the dealership make a little money and at the same time get a good deal for themselves.

I agree about the first salesman thing but the haggling came from the fact in WWII dealerships were Gaulging the customers for way over MSRP and every since then the consumer thinks all salesmen are crooks.
(some are)

Anyhow,as for the goergia dealership there are a couple but i could not get much CSI info.
What City are you close to?

Originally posted by NissanGuy76
But let me share this with you... The only money I make is off commission and I there is nothing I cant stand more than someone like yourself who is just out there to grind out a deal. I only make money off of the profit of the car wich is the difference between MSRP and invoice.


Sorry to hear that you only make money over the invoice. Considering the dealership is making $$$ on the holdback, you'd think that you'd get part of that too.













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OMG how right you are.
I just found out about the hold back thing today and man is that not disgusting.?

I just got up from rolling on the floor laughing. Wow.. the attitudes are hilarious here.

I just wanted to throw in my $.02 on car sales.

It is not an easy job! Most car salesman work 50+ hours per week, including weekends and evenings. If the average american make $30K in their 9-5 job, shouldn't someone working more hours and less convenient hours make a bit more?

It is not an easy job! Most american's have a very bad impression of car salesman. Why? Because a lot of money is at stake. It's not like a pair of shoes at the store. Somewhere along the line, someone started the negotiation phase of car sales. If given the opportunity to save some money, every normal human being will work hard to save as much as possible. If you make $10 per hour in your job, and you are buying a car, and you can invest a few hours of your time into negotiating and shopping, and in the process save yourself $1000 or more... isn't that worth your time? Of course! So, don't blame a customer for shopping or negotiating for a low price.

On the other hand, don't blame the salesman for anything either. It's the salesman's job to sell a car at the highest price possible. The higher the price, the more income for the dealership and the more income for the salesman. Income, is after all, the reason for being there.

Saturn!!! I am sure anyone here on this website knows that the product is not very good. But, would you beleive that Saturn has the #1 Custumer Satisfaction rating in the business. Why? Because they took the negotiation out of car sales. Now, everyone pays the same. Noone goes to work the next day and finds out they paid $1000 more than their friend (which get's interpretted as a $1000 too much).


Here's a little glimpse into the future. Yesterday, we had car SALESMAN. Customer's went onto the lot, the salesman sold them on THE CAR (you know, it's features, benefits, etc...) The customer didnt' know how much profit there was. They negotiated a bit, and happily purchased a car. Today, we have NEGOTIATORS. Today, car salesman don't really sell the car. Marketing, brochures, test drives, the internet, etc... sell cars. The car salesman does what he can to influence the buyer into favoring their car. Then they go to work. Buyers now, have all sorts of info on hand. They know what the dealer pays for the vehicle, so it is their goal to get as close to that number as possible. The salesman's job is to stay as far above the invoice as possible... Without loosing the deal. Tomorrow... things will be different. Here's the trend... customers armed with more info are more successful in negotiating. More customers are buying cars at or below invoice. Income for car salesman is steadily decreasing on a per car basis. To make up for it, the salesman has to sell lot's more cars. More customers equals less time for each. Customer service declines. As this trend continues, more and more car salesman leave the business (Real Estate, Mortgage Brokers, Insurance, Financial Advising, etc...) This leaves the quality of car salesman very poor. To counter this, they Dealer's will be forced to make a change. They will get more and more cut-throat, more and more devious, and they will hire ORDER TAKERS. They will hire moron's to park cars and write contracts. They won't have to pay these high school and college kids very much. The level of customer service will continue to decline. Finally, the Manufacturers will make a change. They will go to a 1 price system. They will again hire Salesman to sell the vehicle and not the price. The days of buying at invoice will go away, and customer satisfaction will improve.

Now that you have read this LONG post (sorry), hopefully you have a little better understanding of the situation. Salesman need to understand that the customer is trying to save money. Don't be a prick to the customers when they are only doing what is natural. The customer's need to understand what it is like to be a salesman, and don't treat the salesman as the enemy. Your satisfaction with the car is more than just the price you paid to get it.

There needs to be a balance. An understanding between the customer and the salesman. They both need to give a little bit. Overall, both will be happy in the end.

I'm done!

Originally posted by NissanGuy76
Anyhow,as for the goergia dealership there are a couple but i could not get much CSI info.
What City are you close to?
Valdosta (Lowndes County).

GB Phoenix77,

Well spoken, and not far from the truth.
The fact is I had some people come in the other day and everything was great with what seemed to be much mutual respect.
I came back with the deal sheet and the guy Popped off and grabbed my pen and said something about I have 60 seconds to get to my manager and stat from there.
Funny thing is, even though I knew he was in an uncomfortable situation, I didnt appreciate being treated like that.
I came back with exactly what he asked for, and then he throws a trade in on me wich he didnt have before.
Ok, so at this point its no problem but since my company is a full discloser dealership i have to get a sellers disclosure form for him to fill out so that he may tell me if it has been wrecked or not.
Would you believe that this guy who actually lives in my subdivision skims over the paperwork and starts throwing a fit about how he wont sign the disclosure til he knows what his car is worth?
He actually went from jekyl to hyde in just a few moments.
I wnt back to my manager and told him I wasnt going to do business with someone who treated me that way and he needed to turn it to another salesman.
He told me to just explain to the guy that the appraisal on his car had everything to do with if it had been wrecked or had a reconditioned title.
The guy asked for his keys and left.

Moral of story: I value my time and myself enough that I do not have to do business with people like this.
2. I nor my dealership has no responsibilty to sell a car at invoice at any given time to anyone.

P.S. If i have enjoyable customers who dont waist my time and are equally curtious to me, I have no problem trying to get them a discount.


P.S.S. I only read my email once a day or every 2 days but I will try and get on it.
hacve you used the Locator on the Nissan (http://www.nissanusa.com) website?

What state do you live in and what model is it?

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Nissanguy76 - i'm in dallas, Tx - model : Enthusiast - manual - 6 speed

Ya know what pisses me off?

When jackass car dealerships are selling cars at 5-10-15 thousand over MSRP! i.e. the Mitsubishi Lancer EVO 8 and the Subaru WRX STi I've gone to almost every dealership with 75 miles of my house and gotten the same response, "Price is NOT negotible"(sp?) Or a friggen wait list with a non refundable deposit. At one dealer the wait on an STi was 2 years. There was a guy I heard about on evolutionm.net that paid 50K for a 28K EVO 8!:eek:

I understand that salesmen need to get paid. It's not like it's a public service to sell us cars. But jumpin' jesus 5-15 grand over MSRP for a 28K car?!

I'm happy with paying MSRP. That's fine. But don't try to rape me and every one else with "Adjusted Market Value"

NissanGuy76 where is your dealership? I'd buy from you. Just one suggestion. Anger management classes. No one here knows or even cares who you are and there is no need to prove anything to flamers. Just remember "DON'T FEED THE TROLLS" Every board has them, just ignore their childish comments.

Later,

Jb

Track edition with Nav, leather seats, mats, side airbags and 6changer CD
$37K incl. TT&L

dentists, if you truly think that a salesman makes 2 grand on a 2 thousand dollar gross; than you are a moron. they only see about a quarter of that.
if $20 an hour is enough for you, great. But if your selling cars for invoice you wont even be making less than that, you'll be out of the job.

Look at it from a salesman's point of view: You are on the line from 9am to 9pm and have to deal with a lot of ups throughout the day. A good amount of customers treat you like a total scum bag, and act like they are at war with you in an attempt to win invoice.

You should be happy with a FAIR deal, your probably a payment buyer, so it's no sweat off your back to let the salesman have a few hundred for comission.

I've been in the buisness long enough to go into a dealership and buy a car at invoice; however I would never do so.

I just bought a new z and instead of going through fleet or grinding it out with the desk, I went in their and bought it from a salesman. I got a fair deal and everyone was happy.

When you go into a dealership looking for invoice it would be the same as going into a restuarant, treating the waiter like shit, taking up more of his time than anyone else and than not leaving a tip.

kick back, enjoy your z, and quit being such an arogant, ignorant, asshole.

decegainer,
do we need another salesman trying to prove he is decent ? NO!
you people really are bottom feeders.
people treat you like scum bags cus you really are so get it through your scull.
you're the type of person who keeps comming on when customers try to tell you politely that they want to be left alone. get lost!! and get it the first time before I call you stupid.
I will not give you sympathy because you work from 9 to 9. that is the competition your dealer created for you so if you want sympathy ask your wife.
if 20.00 an hour is not enough for you you muct have like 5 kids,
it sounds like your spending too much on your car.
people haggle and haggle cus they don't really know the true invoice for a particular car that they are buying so why don't YOU try to have a buyers point of view and stop being selfish.

I feel sorry for the less car educated such as newzandlovinit. Cries like a little b. Have you wrecked it or blown it up yet? What do you do to make yourself believe that your so much better than everyone else? Do the world a favor (a couple actually), stay away from all of the hardworking sales representatives in the world, then go drive your Z off a cliff. And dentistnotreally-whatever the hell that means can join his lover in the Z.

Thank you.

decegainer,
do we need another salesman trying to prove he is decent ? NO!
you people really are bottom feeders.
people treat you like scum bags cus you really are so get it through your scull.
you're the type of person who keeps comming on when customers try to tell you politely that they want to be left alone. get lost!! and get it the first time before I call you stupid.
I will not give you sympathy because you work from 9 to 9. that is the competition your dealer created for you so if you want sympathy ask your wife.
if 20.00 an hour is not enough for you you muct have like 5 kids,
it sounds like your spending too much on your car.
people haggle and haggle cus they don't really know the true invoice for a particular car that they are buying so why don't YOU try to have a buyers point of view and stop being selfish.


How old are u? You sound really inexperienced and gay.

where to start in a thread of this nature?

I used to work for a dealership a few years ago. A couple different dealerships actually. Not too much difference between them. I used to check in all new vehicles and had access to invoices. Invoices and sticker prices varied from vehicle model to model. Some differences were as little as 1K to as much as 4k. Suv, trucks being more. I saw the dealership make money off of extras than the actual car sale. Of course if the customer isn't interested in dealer options, there's other ways to squeeze money outta them. I've seen salesmen/financers/managers play with the numbers so to speak. If the customer won't budge on the price, the interest rate can be "adjusted" or the trade in value is lowered. The dealership/salesmen will make money somewhere. If it's not in the initial price, they'll make up for it somewhere, packages and options even moreso. "Anything to make a deal." I've been witness to salesmen ripping off other employees. I've been asked on several occasions not to disclose pricing to fellow employees. Not just on vehicle pricing but on service contracts, "special" options and packages. If there's a will, there's a way is the old saying. Like Metallica says Sad but true.

The reason rich people are able to afford 350Z are because they do not give money away. Nissanguy76 I serious doubt that you would go to another competing dealership and buy a 350Z at sticker. Your giving money away. Even selling the 350Z at invoice will allow your dealership to make at least 500 dollars from the factory and your base pay per hour for doing your job. Money is hard to come by. Why should you give away good money if you don't have to. I have only bought one car, but I respect my mother greatly. She has bought a lot of vehicles including a 2004 350Z Touring edition for around $27,000 without a trade-in. It is your own fault if you don't negotiate the price on anything whether it be a car or just certain goods. People from all culutres naturally negotiate. It is only Americans that traditionally give their money away. Negotiation doesn't always have to be bad. Just set up a win-win deal. Their is no problem with a salesman making 100 dollars on a deal the dealership making 400 and the buyer getting the car at a discounted price. Because the dealership has so many othe rrevenue producing avenues that car sales only account for about a 40% profit margin for dealerships. Don't give me any bullshit on that figure becuase I did a case study on 30 area dealerships. So stop your ranting you are simply bullshitting people on this forum with trying to gain sympathy from them. Oh and by the way dealerships have a hard time turning down actual cash money or certified checks . No matter if the car is going for invoice or not becuase their is no telling how long that car has been sitting there. NissanGuy76 thanks for showing everybody what salesman do for a living, but your game is just a marketing technique and it is acutually working good with some people on this forum, but I play the same game so for the sake of these people come straight and tell the truth.

dentistnotreally, your really messed up. Salespeople are human. Just because you got ripped off by a bad salesperson doesn’t mean that everyone is bad. O and its good that the other guy got a good deal on his car, but don’t bad mouth other people just because you have something against them. I know a lot of very nice and hard working salespeople in the dealership that I got to which is in Cerritos. (Southern California) And Nissanguy76 just ignore people who likes to start crap, and don’t start any too. Arguing in a forum is so childish. I understand why some people would have a bad feeling towards people that sale cars, but that doesn’t mean that every sales person is trying to rip people off. Until you guys had some kind of dealings with that certain person don’t make any judgments. I don’t know jack about selling cars or anything of that sort, but reading this shi* is pissing me off. Grown people arguing over some stupid crap like this is just annoying…if you guys want to argue about this go to some other forum please, because I enjoy reading good posts and learning more about my hobbies in this forum. I hope some of you guys could understand where I am coming from.