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Donham
06-10-2003, 09:28 PM
I'd like to know the top 10-20 quickest cars form Japan in the 1/4 mile, Factor production cars...
Anyone here might know, also which ones are the cheapest to build up...
From what I have Gathered
Thr New Suberu 300 hp 4dr car has gone like 13.1 to 13.5's.. The EVO-8 like 13.2-13.6
The Toyota Supra Twin Turbo 13.4's, 300ZX, Stealth/3000 Gt VR4 like 13.7's...
I'm sure the Skyline goes into the 13's..




I'm trying to gether this all up, WE all see the 50 fastest American cars in the 14/s
whats the 50 fastest Japanese cars in the 1/4, not ecounting race production exotics.
????????????????????????????????????????
Any web pages for info on stats...?

As far as cheap performance upgrading.. the Diomand Star cars, esp the older models 90-93's Eagle Talons, Plymouth Lasers, Mitsubishi Eclipse, all go like 14.8-15.5's but with a chip upgrade can go mid 13's, and high 12's with work to inlets, Waste-gate etc and only maybe $1000-2000 invested into parts...

Was telling my Hunting buddy who loves Japanese cars about the above, was considering buying a quick import car from Japan.. and although I don't see his light, I would like to help him, and have told him of how he can get Eagle Talons Turbos moderatly cheap, esp the older ones, and from what I hear they have larger de-turned turbos on em..
so that might be his ticket over just buying a Stock 13.9 sec 300ZX or 3000GT.


Doesn't matrter anyway I guess, cause he's not gonna keep up with my old American iron no matter what he gets I tell him.. . :-)

scott

TatII
06-10-2003, 11:14 PM
well if you have a japanese guy drive the Skyline or the true EVO's not the detuned ones that we get in the states, they all run anywhere from 12.8 to a 12.9 on the 400km track which is only 8 ft shy of the 1/4 mile. and all of those cars can do 0-60 from high 4 to mid 4 seconds. plus the new NSX type R 6 speed can do 0-60 in low 4 seconds. now that we're talkin about limited production cars as well, then we might as well throw in the nissan NISMO 400R ( a R33 skyline GT-R ) with 400hp that should do the 1/4 mile in the mid 12's. then you have another nismo tuned skyline (the R34 skyline GT-R) which has 450hp and that should do it in the mid to low 12's. trust me there are alot of japanese cars that can hit 12's from the factory. its just that we usually get the watered down cars when it hits the states, but the people who test the cars isn't exactly the best to test them with because they are not used with shiftin with their left arm.

1320B4U
06-11-2003, 02:56 AM
Supra's, VR4's, and 300zx's are in the 12's with a tune-up, intake, exhaust, fuel, and a boost controller.

DSM's (Talon, Eclipse, Lazer) take the above mods along with a bigger turbo and front mount intercooller.

240sx takes a SR20DET engine swap plus all the above mods.

Civic with an H22 will be in the 13's; turbocharged in the 12's.

RX7's 93+ are expensive to maintain with the Apex seals and whatnot.

EJ20
06-11-2003, 08:04 AM
EVO VIII http://www.automotosports.com/media/evo_viii_1200.wmv
9 sec WRX http://63.164.33.8/1esx/esx-9-second-quarter-mile-world-record-subaru-wrx.wmv
clearly I am a WRX guy, and here is the WRX 1/4 mile registry
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/thomasck/Registry3.htm

heehehehe,,, I am know I am going to get ignored here again,,,, because I brought in too much of the reality shows that your so-call "rice" are fast too!!!

DeViL
06-11-2003, 08:55 AM
That ESX company is pretty cool they are kind of like Hennessey but for WRX's.

ghostchild316
06-11-2003, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by 1320B4U

240sx takes a SR20DET engine swap plus all the above mods.

It's quite obvious this guy knows nothing about 240sx's...
Originally posted by 1320B4U

Civic with an H22 will be in the 13's; turbocharged in the 12's.


That swap isn't worth it in my opinion.Seen it before and in reality it isnt all that fast.The guy who had it got beat by an automatic Firebird.

:thumbsdow

mynismo
06-11-2003, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by EJ20
http://www.automotosports.com/media/evo_viii_1200.wmv[/url]
9 sec WRX http://63.164.33.8/1esx/esx-9-second-quarter-mile-world-record-subaru-wrx.wmv

how could that thing not do a wheelie?? hehe
Originally posted by ghostchild316

It's quite obvious this guy knows nothing about 240sx's...

yea i know, what can you do...

carrrnuttt
06-11-2003, 01:03 PM
You do know that they make V8 cars in Japan too, right?

I know you said not to count exotics, but these are considered "production cars" in Japan...

I am showing you what Japan is capable of if it decides to build V8 performance cars. (Most V8 cars in Japan are luxury cars)

__________________________________________________ __________
Here's a 1998 Nissan R390:

http://www.automotivearticles.com/infiniti-nissan/r390e.jpg

Specs:

DETAILS :

3.5-liter DOHC 32-valve V-8 twin-turbocharged
550hp @6800rpm and 470 Lb-ft @4400rpm
2420lbs

PERFORMANCE :

0-30mph in 1.2secnods
0-60mph in 3.3secnods
0-80mph in 6.0secnods
0-100mph in 9.7secnods
1/4 mile in 11.9secnods
Top speed : 207mph

...and that's just the street version...there are race-ready versions as well.

__________________________________________________ __________
This is a 1998 Toyota GT-One road car:

http://www.tte.de/image-bank/Le-Mans-GT-One-road-car-0498-high-res.jpg

Specs:

Layout: Mid-engine, rear-wheel drive
Monocoque: Carbon fiber and aluminum honeycomb monocoque
Engine: V8, twin turbocharged (Garrett)
Displacement: 3578 cc
Horsepower: 600 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 479 lb-ft. @ 6000 rpm
Gearbox: TTE six-speed sequential
Clutch: Sachs quad-plate carbon
Suspension: (f&r), Double wishbone, pushrod
Brakes: (f&r), Carbon ventilated discs, AP Racing six-pot calipers
Wheels: 18" Speedline forged magnesium
Tires: Michelin Radial
Length: 4840 mm
Width: 2000 mm
Height: 1125 mm
Wheelbase: 2850 mm
Front Overhang: 1000 mm
Rear Overhang: 990 mm
Track Front: 1600 mm
Track Rear: 1644 mm

This car does tens in the quarter.

__________________________________________________ __________

This is a TommyKaira ZZ2:

http://members.aol.com/gt23000gt/gt2000/CarPics/Cars/ZZII.jpg

Short Specs:

mid engine
all wheel drive
RB26dett (nissan skyline gtr motor) @ 550hp
6pot front/4pot rear brakes
F/R aero diffusers

With it's weight, it runs low 11's and has supposed top-speed of 210MPH.

__________________________________________________ __________

As for non-exotic, production cars available domestically, I would have to recommend..............................my car:icon16:.

My 1992 Nissan SE-R gives you more than 30MPG on the freeway, while being capable of out-running some V8's with it's mid-low 15-second runs BONE-STOCK. It cost me 1,800 dollars, and with the swap I've planned out, for another 3,000 dollars, you'll be running mid-low 13's, while still capable of getting 30+MPG. Another thousand, you'll be in the low 12's. Still not as efficient as say, spending 5grand total in a Mustang LX 5.0 to get it in the tens, but you'll have a higher sleeper effect with a boxy Sentra (if you get a quiet BOV) than a rumbling V8. Also, there is the reliability factor...

DeViL
06-11-2003, 01:51 PM
http://members.aol.com/gt23000gt/gt2000/CarPics/Cars/ZZII.jpg

Buy this one...money isn't an issue right Donham?

SR20DETpower
06-11-2003, 02:57 PM
1998 Nissan R390:




omg I almost popped wood aahhahaha 0-60 in 3 second range

:icon16:

1320B4U
06-11-2003, 03:56 PM
OKay people, show me a link or whatnot on what mods it takes to reliably get a 240sx in the mid-12's. Its a 2.0L turbo 4 (if you have a brain and get the SR) just like the dsms(not quite as strong as the 4G63T out of the factory) but a few hundred pounds lighter and rear wheel drive, so its 60ft times should get stomped by an AWD dsm, BUT its lighter weight and less drivetrain power loss should equal it out.
So I say it needs:
SR20DET(unless you want to rebuild a slower revving truck motor to handle boost)
Turbo upgrade
FMIC
550cc injectors and a fuel pump
Full 3" exhaust
Performance Clutch
Gauges(A/F, EGT, BOOST, oil pressure)
Apex'i SAFC

Now you tell me how I'm wrong with your SOHC 240sx.

"That swap isn't worth it in my opinion.Seen it before and in reality it isnt all that fast.The guy who had it got beat by an automatic Firebird."

OKAY, my friend just did this swap(H22a in 92HB) and it ran a 13.2 at Portland International Raceway first time out. Some tuning and it will be in the 12's. And what was the F-body running? and the H22 Civ?


Some DSM times.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/quartermilelist.php

carrrnuttt
06-11-2003, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by SR20DETpower
1998 Nissan R390:




omg I almost popped wood aahhahaha 0-60 in 3 second range

:icon16:

Here's another for your viewing pleasure!

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/571026R390.jpg

...and another...

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/277865R3902.jpg

Lastly, here's the most affordable one I could find that runs:

Click (http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/plastic/124sportscarseries/24192.html)

turbo2nr
06-11-2003, 04:09 PM
uhmm...

does this one count

1500hp hks drag supra that pulls low low 7'sec runs and is powered by a twin turbo v-8:D :biggrin2: :iceslolan :icon16: :dogpile: :biggrin2: :D

carrrnuttt
06-11-2003, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by turbo2nr
uhmm...

does this one count

1500hp hks drag supra that pulls low low 7'sec runs and is powered by a twin turbo v-8:D :biggrin2: :iceslolan :icon16: :dogpile: :biggrin2: :D

Nah, not too impressive if it's a drag car, since we already have a 4-banger drag car here in the US that runs 5's...

ghostchild316
06-11-2003, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by 1320B4U
OKay people, show me a link or whatnot on what mods it takes to reliably get a 240sx in the mid-12's. Its a 2.0L turbo 4 (if you have a brain and get the SR) just like the dsms(not quite as strong as the 4G63T out of the factory) but a few hundred pounds lighter and rear wheel drive, so its 60ft times should get stomped by an AWD dsm, BUT its lighter weight and less drivetrain power loss should equal it out.
So I say it needs:
SR20DET(unless you want to rebuild a slower revving truck motor to handle boost)
Turbo upgrade
FMIC
550cc injectors and a fuel pump
Full 3" exhaust
Performance Clutch
Gauges(A/F, EGT, BOOST, oil pressure)
Apex'i SAFC

Now you tell me how I'm wrong with your SOHC 240sx.

"That swap isn't worth it in my opinion.Seen it before and in reality it isnt all that fast.The guy who had it got beat by an automatic Firebird."

OKAY, my friend just did this swap(H22a in 92HB) and it ran a 13.2 at Portland International Raceway first time out. Some tuning and it will be in the 12's. And what was the F-body running? and the H22 Civ?


Some DSM times.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/quartermilelist.php

It's still obvious you don't no squat about the 240sx.The SOHC engine was actually used in race cars before it was ever put in a truck.One of those race cars raced in the Rolex 24 in the early 90's.It used a carburated SOHC KA24 that put out over 300hp.
http://www.verdad.org/legend/pics/240sx/nis240.gif
http://www.back-yard-productions.com/CONROY.htm
MODIFICATION LIST FOR THE 1991 NISSAN 240SX:

CUSTOM MILD STEEL EXHAUST MANIFOLD, TO4E / T3 TURBO, 3" CUSTOM DOWN PIPE, NISSAN SKYLINE EXHAUST SYSTEM, HKS WASTEGATE.

(4) Q45 INJECTORS, 2 1/2" INTAKE PLUMBING, CUSTOM FRONT MOUNT INTERCOOLER, GREDDY BLOW-OFF VALVE, 300ZX TWIN TURBO FUEL PUMP, ESSEX ADJUSTABLE FUEL PRESSURE REGULATOR, BLITZ AIR FILTER.

STOCK ECU, MSD 6AL, APEXi AFC, GREDDY PROFEC-B BOOST CONTROLLER, 300ZX AIR FLOW METER.

1993 240SX LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL, ACT RACE PRESSURE PLATE & 4 PAD CLUTCH.

ACCESSORY LIST:

AUTOMETER 2" OIL PRESSURE GAUGE, 2" RICH/LEAN GAUGE, 2" 30 PSI. BOOST GAUGE. PAINTED CLUSTER.

SNIPER 17" WHEELS, TOYO TIRES 225/45/17 TIRES, TOKICO LOWERING SHOCKS, CUSTOM 2 1/2" LOWERING SPRINGS.

http://www.back-yard-productions.com/C4.jpg
http://www.back-yard-productions.com/C15.jpg

I've never seen an SR run that at 10lbs
:rolleyes:

And another thing...NEVER underestimate a SOHC KA24E...

flylwsi
06-11-2003, 05:47 PM
i'm not really going to read this whole thread, only knowing that it belongs in the car comparison forum...

you'll get your eyes peeled if you throw this in there...

and you'd have to define factory, since there are quite a few low production supercars that are pictured above this post...

so get specific...

TatII
06-11-2003, 09:05 PM
okay for those guys who are naming moded drag dedicated cars, thats not what he was asking. hes asking for STOCK FACTORY rides. not MODDED rides. plus for that guy whos underestimating a KA. a KA will out run a SR on the same boost, and our motor can handle anywhere from 250-300 wheel horsepower dependin on the condition of the motor. the motor is extremely tuff. the block is strong, the crank is almost bullet proof. the only thing that can do wrong would be the piston ring,s piston and head gasket. not bad for a stock non turbo motor. plus i don't even think a SR can put down that much power on the stock turbo anyways. for the same amount of money that you need to use to upgrade your turbo, us KA guys already spent that same money to build our motors, and then it can take around 400 hp at the wheels, and the only 2 10 second 240's in the states are all powered by KA.

Coal
06-11-2003, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by 1320B4U
OKay people, show me a link or whatnot on what mods it takes to reliably get a 240sx in the mid-12's. Its a 2.0L turbo 4 (if you have a brain and get the SR) just like the dsms(not quite as strong as the 4G63T out of the factory) but a few hundred pounds lighter and rear wheel drive, so its 60ft times should get stomped by an AWD dsm, BUT its lighter weight and less drivetrain power loss should equal it out.
So I say it needs:
SR20DET(unless you want to rebuild a slower revving truck motor to handle boost)
Turbo upgrade
FMIC
550cc injectors and a fuel pump
Full 3" exhaust
Performance Clutch
Gauges(A/F, EGT, BOOST, oil pressure)
Apex'i SAFC

Now you tell me how I'm wrong with your SOHC 240sx.

"That swap isn't worth it in my opinion.Seen it before and in reality it isnt all that fast.The guy who had it got beat by an automatic Firebird."

OKAY, my friend just did this swap(H22a in 92HB) and it ran a 13.2 at Portland International Raceway first time out. Some tuning and it will be in the 12's. And what was the F-body running? and the H22 Civ?


Some DSM times.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/quartermilelist.php

I agree with the KA, I love it, and it's got the displacement advantage, as well as already being in the car, hehe.

If you MUST swap, and you want a budget fast car, strip it down to shit and put in a CA18DET and throw the possible 3 grand you save on the SR20DET on that. Did I mention you can stroke a CA18DET to 2.0L?

Ohhhh helll yeah ;)

I'd still prefer to keep with the KA24 over any swap in a 240SX though, unless it's to an RB26.

Oh, and for $$ for $$ factory spec fast rides, I put my money on a Japanese superbike.

Most factory spec fast cars are too expensive to be worth comparing anyway, with that kind of money you can get as fast as you want modified.

Donham
06-11-2003, 09:54 PM
What I am wanting to know is both factory stock numbers, and also with slight mods...just for referance...
Those super Exotic Ferrari looking cars are not Normal production...
We have Vipers over here in the States that can do all that 600-800 hp stuff with street mods..., I really do not consider them "normal" production either.

I'm looking for some info on what I might be up against on the road in these cars, you know say a typical 3000GT with $500-800 mods, the typical Misubishi 4 banger turbo with some cheap work...

The reason I asked about the japan productsis I already know about most the America muscle, and about anything fast From Germahy is going to be a Porsche, or maybe a few high end sporty BMW's etc..

I'm not a import fan, but I sure do not under-estimate those little 2.0's and 3.0's with all that boost.....


Last Time I got into a street race was like 1994 in my 78 Plymouth Fury with smog low compression 440..
it's not the quickest car I ever owned, but before the engine rebuild (basically stock rebuild) it ran high 15's, after 14.15@98 mph... I got beat once by some kid in his 3000 GT VR4 before the rebuild by like 1.5 car lenths, a hyped up 87 Iroc-Z also got me the next week by 3 cars... I did get revenge on the 3000GT by about 2 cars, but never seen the 350 Iroc-Z guy again...
I know my car would never even snif the pipes of a EVO or 93+ Supra Turbo..
But my cr is like 4200 lbs, has 3.21 gears, automatic, and has like 7.5:1 actual compression (was 6>8:1 before rebuild)..
and with a crap loading up carburator...

I've been in lots of street races with the car, and lots of fu, but most iof it was in the 90's, nothing compared to my 80's street racing days with my Polaras, Chargers... Glory days!!!! but time to breath life back into my old 39 yr old blood.. and look ahead...

Back then in the early to late 80's, it was Camaro's, IROC-Z's, Stangs, Chevelle's, Z28's, Torino's, Falcons, Skylarks, Olds 442's (friend had a W30 455 that would just scream), chargers, Superbee's, Road Runenrs, Cuda's, Challengers, Darts, dusters, Demon, Ciorvettes, Chevy II's, Nova's 50's 40's Fat Fender Rods, T-Buckets with Hemis or SB Chevies.. and Blowers and 1000 hp...
I remember the 70's too but was not driving then....

Noe things Are differnt, but not nessesarly bad.... it's mostly Imports it seems now, but thats okey... A new Kind of friendly rivalry, (and not too be taken lightly either)

Back to my 93 Rebuild...
I have a set of 10.1:1 pistons 's but did installl em like a fool...
The car has a broken flyweel, and I just plan to wait and do it over right...
new pistons/rods, cam, better exhaust, intake manifold, better carb, new alu heads... plan to run 11.0:1 comprssion ion 93 octane (using alu heads with quench chamber))... 493 cubes, smoth idle, quiet 4 muf exhaust (2 into 4 deal)...
Should get high 12's pretty easy conservativly.... with lower gears better..
Going to build it with Forged pistons in case of I ever need some spray (doupt it) to ... "I'll take my bottle off, if you take your turbos off!" if it ever gets down to that,

Been doing some driving around in my town on Sat Sunday Evg's, and have been seeing alot of imports, and domestic 4-6 cyl Sporty type cars driving around the 4 lanes... not sure if any of them would go for a few blocks in the right safe area, but not everyone buys those cars just for looks... alot of people have a itchy shifting hand I'll wager...
I know I'll have some fun.. and yep Everyone gets beat.. I know that parts comming (nothing new to me there), it's part of the excitment.... if we always won it would get boring after a while..

Scott

street_racer_00
06-16-2003, 08:54 PM
Ahhhh the R390. Finished on the podium at lemans in 1999. Awesome car, wish I could still see em race.:frown:

LjasonL
06-17-2003, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by carrrnuttt
You do know that they make V8 cars in Japan too, right?

I know you said not to count exotics, but these are considered "production cars" in Japan...

I am showing you what Japan is capable of if it decides to build V8 performance cars. (Most V8 cars in Japan are luxury cars)

__________________________________________________ __________
Here's a 1998 Nissan R390:

http://www.automotivearticles.com/infiniti-nissan/r390e.jpg

Specs:

DETAILS :

3.5-liter DOHC 32-valve V-8 twin-turbocharged
550hp @6800rpm and 470 Lb-ft @4400rpm
2420lbs

PERFORMANCE :

0-30mph in 1.2secnods
0-60mph in 3.3secnods
0-80mph in 6.0secnods
0-100mph in 9.7secnods
1/4 mile in 11.9secnods
Top speed : 207mph

...and that's just the street version...there are race-ready versions as well.

__________________________________________________ __________
This is a 1998 Toyota GT-One road car:

http://www.tte.de/image-bank/Le-Mans-GT-One-road-car-0498-high-res.jpg

Specs:

Layout: Mid-engine, rear-wheel drive
Monocoque: Carbon fiber and aluminum honeycomb monocoque
Engine: V8, twin turbocharged (Garrett)
Displacement: 3578 cc
Horsepower: 600 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 479 lb-ft. @ 6000 rpm
Gearbox: TTE six-speed sequential
Clutch: Sachs quad-plate carbon
Suspension: (f&r), Double wishbone, pushrod
Brakes: (f&r), Carbon ventilated discs, AP Racing six-pot calipers
Wheels: 18" Speedline forged magnesium
Tires: Michelin Radial
Length: 4840 mm
Width: 2000 mm
Height: 1125 mm
Wheelbase: 2850 mm
Front Overhang: 1000 mm
Rear Overhang: 990 mm
Track Front: 1600 mm
Track Rear: 1644 mm

This car does tens in the quarter.

__________________________________________________ __________

This is a TommyKaira ZZ2:

http://members.aol.com/gt23000gt/gt2000/CarPics/Cars/ZZII.jpg

Short Specs:

mid engine
all wheel drive
RB26dett (nissan skyline gtr motor) @ 550hp
6pot front/4pot rear brakes
F/R aero diffusers

With it's weight, it runs low 11's and has supposed top-speed of 210MPH.

__________________________________________________ __________

As for non-exotic, production cars available domestically, I would have to recommend..............................my car:icon16:.

My 1992 Nissan SE-R gives you more than 30MPG on the freeway, while being capable of out-running some V8's with it's mid-low 15-second runs BONE-STOCK. It cost me 1,800 dollars, and with the swap I've planned out, for another 3,000 dollars, you'll be running mid-low 13's, while still capable of getting 30+MPG. Another thousand, you'll be in the low 12's. Still not as efficient as say, spending 5grand total in a Mustang LX 5.0 to get it in the tens, but you'll have a higher sleeper effect with a boxy Sentra (if you get a quiet BOV) than a rumbling V8. Also, there is the reliability factor...

Son of a... Those are the exact 3 cars I was looking up specs for, then I got to your reply

RACER D12
06-18-2003, 11:13 AM
Nissan R390 looks kinda like a McLaren

DeViL
06-18-2003, 09:04 PM
Why don't we just put down a few quick imports and let the guy consider it. And list some good cars with at least over 200 hp, don't put down something like a Civic Si.

Fast import cars:

Toyota Supra
Toyota MR2
Nissan 300ZX
Nissan 350Z
Subaru WRX
Mitsubishi 3000GT

someone else think up some stuff.

TatII
06-18-2003, 09:33 PM
mazda rx-7 twin turbo
nissan 300zx twin turbo
acura nsx type S
mitsubishi lancer evo 7


those are all of the fastest japanese import out in the states.

-The Stig-
06-18-2003, 09:39 PM
Jeep Cherokee Laredo

ghostchild316
06-18-2003, 10:21 PM
Toyota Cavalier:cwm27:

2of9
06-20-2003, 11:06 AM
99' Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
97' Nissan Skyline GTR33
were there any Eclipse GSX in Japan, how strong r they in Japan compard to the in the states??

carrrnuttt
06-20-2003, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by Silver_GTR34
99' Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
97' Nissan Skyline GTR33
were there any Eclipse GSX in Japan, how strong r they in Japan compard to the in the states??

No. Eclipses were not sold in Japan.

The car they sold with the same motor (4g63) were the Evos (I to VIII). All THOSE cars had much stronger motors...

1320B4U
06-20-2003, 04:14 PM
Your wrong, the Evo's and the Galant VR4's were JDM. But they did sell a FEW Eclipse's in Japan and Europe(EDM). Different lights and bumpers, thats about it.
EVO 1-3 motor(EVO came out in 1992, right?) is identical to what came in 7-bolt late 1992+ DSM's, except of course it had a Big16g turbocharger stock(DSM upgrade for ($599), a FMIC, and a dual stage intake manifold. As a matter of fact, the 90-92 DSM motor is stouter than any EVO motor, its a 6-bolt instead of a 7 bolt. Look at all the DSM drag cars and even highly modified street cars, they all pack built 6-bolt motors. The EVO 4+, I think they started getting forged internals and high tech turbos from the factory. But forged internals to forged internals, the 90-92 DSM 6-bolt is stronger than any EVO motor.
Look around at DSM.org, DSMTuners.com, and DSMTalk.com, or just search for the history of the 4G63.

LjasonL
06-20-2003, 04:48 PM
I believe Eclipses were sold in Japan for 1 or 2 years under the name "Spyder" but what do I know.

carrrnuttt
06-20-2003, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by 1320B4U
Your wrong, the Evo's and the Galant VR4's were JDM. But they did sell a FEW Eclipse's in Japan and Europe(EDM). Different lights and bumpers, thats about it.


Weren't those the FTO's?

Also, I know the 4g63 came in other cars besides the Evos...just answering his question about the strength of the JDM 4g63s.

TatII
06-20-2003, 11:36 PM
the FTO was a non turbo i believe. it was pretty lack luster in the straight line performance. the gallant VR-4 has the same chassis as a GSX. and the ordinary gallant as the same chassis as a eclipse GS/GS-T. so therefore you can make a gallant into a nice sleeper by dropping in a nice 4G63 from a GS-T into it and replace that crappy v6 or non turbo I4 that the car would normally come with.

carrrnuttt
06-21-2003, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by TatII
the FTO was a non turbo i believe. it was pretty lack luster in the straight line performance. the gallant VR-4 has the same chassis as a GSX. and the ordinary gallant as the same chassis as a eclipse GS/GS-T. so therefore you can make a gallant into a nice sleeper by dropping in a nice 4G63 from a GS-T into it and replace that crappy v6 or non turbo I4 that the car would normally come with.

As far as I know, there were turbo FTOs. That's in Japan...where I'm not too sure about. What I do know for fact though, is that ALL USDM Galant VR-4s ('91-'92) came with the 4g63. Those are some of the best sleepers around...and are rare as shit. AWD 4 door, family sedan.

here's a pic I found:

http://www.thismetalsky.org/cars/pics/gvr4/img_0020.jpg

The newest Galant VR-4s in Japan have a twin-turbocharged V6 nowadays.

Check it out here (http://autozine.kyul.net/gallery/mitsubishi/galant.htm).

TatII
06-21-2003, 09:02 AM
niiiccceee i see that you get your info at autozine too.

Donham
06-21-2003, 12:41 PM
Went to the 1/8 mile drag yesterday, not been since last year..
There was some impressive street cars running heads-up...
Most of the quicker imports were like running high 9's 10's, there was a AWD DSM (early model) Talon running 8.60's, the car was impressive.... I heard it had ran 8.30's a month before.. (I have seen them run quicker up in Indy))
Another fast Turbo vehicle was a 1990 GMC Cyclone, quiet, running, ran 7.70's, talking to the guy, he said ihe's done a little work to it, said he just bought a new Suberu WXR Impreza, and it's pretty quick...

one guy had a old crappy 72 dodge Dart, with a 318, stock heads, low compression, just performance cam headers, intake carb, 4.30 gears, runs 8.60's.. impressive for a smog 318.

one guy had a Duster than ran 5.70's, but it was a big doller car with huge engine.

all the Neons there were pretty slow, no turbo ones....
good to see the kids out having fun...
alot of them run the streets, about 200-300 street cars there last night..

scott

initialdrift sw20
06-30-2005, 01:40 PM
the nismo r34 gt-r z-tune runs the 400m in 10.06sec. faster than the saleem s7r tt, enzo, mclaren f-1.
has 500hp @ 6800rpm, 400ft-lb @ 5200rpm

-Josh-
06-30-2005, 02:09 PM
Please dont bring back threads that are two years old...it's quite annoying...

CassiesMan
06-30-2005, 02:25 PM
Hes banned now, YAY!

GritMaster
06-30-2005, 02:48 PM
...no he's not?

CassiesMan
06-30-2005, 02:52 PM
He will be, Red warned him in the last thread he brought back from the dead in big bold font...it made me cower in fear.

-The Stig-
06-30-2005, 05:19 PM
the nismo r34 gt-r z-tune runs the 400m in 10.06sec. faster than the saleem s7r tt, enzo, mclaren f-1.
has 500hp @ 6800rpm, 400ft-lb @ 5200rpm

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