Would this work to import?

man, only thing i wanna say is GOOD LUCK!. And don't e-mail any company, asking if that can be done because that worker will most likely tell you NO!. He wants you to go through the normal process and get money as usual. Tryna do it your way and inform us. If it works, i'm doing the same next year, i live in FL and we don't have those silly californian rules.

The law I was talking about was docket number: NHTSA-99-5507. Also I forgot to mention one more modification needed to be done. Seatbelt warning indicators.

The law I was talking about was docket number: NHTSA-99-5507. Also I forgot to mention one more modification needed to be done. Seatbelt warning indicators.


I can tell you know a lot about this whole process.....excuse me while I call you an idiot.

GT-R's have "seatbelt warning indicators" from the factory..

We have discoverd a loop whole in getting the skylines over here to the states. we are keeping it on the DL i just payed $21,896 for a 1998 R34 GT-T Ive paid the money and things are going. If you want a car here i can get you one. if you need to know for sure this works I will have mine here in 3 weeks and ill let everyone know if it works or not wish me luck. any questions e-mail me at [email protected]

We have discoverd a loop whole in getting the skylines over here to the states. we are keeping it on the DL i just payed $21,896 for a 1998 R34 GT-T Ive paid the money and things are going. If you want a car here i can get you one. if you need to know for sure this works I will have mine here in 3 weeks and ill let everyone know if it works or not wish me luck. any questions e-mail me a


Right..........

Another one to add to the black list of dreamers and scam artitis.

Screw this, I'm movin' to Australia

for some reason the mail server at theif.com is down.

so what your saying is that you put a steel beam on both sides of your car....and replace the front and back windshields....and put some buzzer noise (seatbelt)warning on your car and its legal?
oh ya and a test result too..
just to let you all know....i am a firefighter/emt for san francisco cali.....
most of the auto accident i've seen cars don't have steel beams on the side doors( older vehicles)that is
nor do they have buzzing noises for seatbelts reminder....
alright im stressed out now.. need a beer...someone follow threw on this

OK I am new to this forum but I have a few questions and comments. I live in Japan and I own a 1999 GTR. I want to bring my car back to the states but in no way am I going to be charged 25k to someone to "legalize" it. I don't understand why another RI can't legalize the car. I don't live in Cali nor do I ever intend on moving to Cali, so why do I have to ship my car to Cali? Some of the facts that I have read about the GTR are not true. EPA for one. You have to pay 5k to have EPA test your car when it states on the DOT homepage that all you need is the manufacturer "Nissan" to state the car passes EPA standards. I know my car has a catalaytic converter and I know that Japan emissions are just as strict now days as the US so I am having a hard time understanding why it costs 5k.
The glass has a DOT stamp on it so that tells me that it passes DOT safety requirements.
There are hundreds of cars in the US that do not have the third break light so why does the skyline need one?
Why does the passenger side mirror need replaced when you can get just the mirror replaced or put a damn sticker on it that says that things appear closer then they appear.
You have stated "MOTORX" that you have spent thousands of dollars getting legal issues worked, crash tests done yet you state you do not make much of a profit charging 25k per car. I do not know about a lot of people, but that is bad buisness to make little to no pofit when you have this huge overhead you state you spent. The whole concept behind having a buiness it o make money. I do not blame MOTORX for doing what they are doing because if I was in thier shoes I would be doing the same thing. You need to protect the your investment as long as you can.
Now it seems to me that MOTORX is the only legalizing place that can import Skylines so they say. But in my eyes there is little work that needs to be done to the car to make it legal in the US and you are charging people for services you do not do. I would call that fraud. If you don't pay to get a test by EPA done and you charge it is fraud. Anyway you look at it. I WILL FIND A WAY TO BRING MY CAR BACK TO THE STATES WITHOUT GOING THROUGH MOTORX.

in no way am I going to be charged 25k to someone to "legalize" it. I don't understand why another RI can't legalize the car.
Not POSITIVE on this one (the legalization debate has never been a fan of mine) but I think the RI's can IMPORT your car, but they can not prove to the US government that it is LEGAL. I guess it's a (very roughly) 2 step process (after the car is on US soil). Those being, Importing and Legalization. Again, I'm not positive on any of this but I think the gist of it is this:
Sure there are lots of Registered Importers who can IMPORT your car. But MotoRex is the only one who can completely legally LEGALIZE your car. And I guess you have to do both of those the right way for it to be 100% legal to drive your car on the streets of the USA.

Correct me if I'm wrong anybody. (I'm out of the loop on this stuff because I just want to bring back my skyline as a track car).

OK I am new to this forum but I have a few questions and comments. I live in Japan and I own a 1999 GTR. I want to bring my car back to the states but in no way am I going to be charged 25k to someone to "legalize" it.

You won't have to worry about that for the time being. Motorex cannot legalize R34 Skylines(and some R33s) because of some issues with installing an OBD2 system. Until they get around that, no R34s can be legalized. Motorex, or any other RI for that matter, could go ahead and import the car for you, but it'll just sit around, because nothing can be done to legalize it yet.

I don't understand why another RI can't legalize the car.
Other RIs haven't put up the money to get the information needed to legalize the cars.

I don't live in Cali nor do I ever intend on moving to Cali, so why do I have to ship my car to Cali?
That's where Motorex is.

I know my car has a catalaytic converter and I know that Japan emissions are just as strict now days as the US
Exactly. Nowadays they are. Were they as strict as the US in 1999? Probably not, since they had the SR20DET, RB26DETT, etc, while the US did not because of different regulations. Japan recently toughened their emissions regs, which is partly why the RB-series was discontinued in the first place.

You have stated "MOTORX" that you have spent thousands of dollars getting legal issues worked, crash tests done yet you state you do not make much of a profit charging 25k per car. I do not know about a lot of people, but that is bad buisness to make little to no pofit when you have this huge overhead you state you spent.
So first you start out by complaining about how high the price is, but now you say it isn't enough? Make up your mind.

Motorex doesn't just sell Skylines, anyway. They offer other services and products too, so it's not like they aren't making a profit.

Now it seems to me that MOTORX is the only legalizing place that can import Skylines so they say.
Many people can import a car, but Motorex is the only one that can actually legalize them. Again, until someone else puts up the money to pay for the information like Motorex did, they will continue to be the only legalization company. As the old adage goes, 'you have to pay to play.'

But in my eyes there is little work that needs to be done to the car to make it legal in the US and you are charging people for services you do not do.
So you know everything that needs to be done? Very good. Maybe you can start your own legalizing company.

I WILL FIND A WAY TO BRING MY CAR BACK TO THE STATES WITHOUT GOING THROUGH MOTORX.
DONT HOLD YOUR BREATH.

I hate the EPA + the n.y state emissions! The good part is they just asked every1 in my town if they were against something so im getting every1 to sign the petition against it. This way they always know im gonna be a thorn in there side until they back off!! I already have 50 people signing:iceslolan

ok im done drinking my beer, i thought rbmotors (sean morris)
legalizes skylines too

what about if u are in the military; military ships it to the US for free, would anything change or be different?

I hate the EPA + the n.y state emissions! The good part is they just asked every1 in my town if they were against something so im getting every1 to sign the petition against it. This way they always know im gonna be a thorn in there side until they back off!! I already have 50 people signing:iceslolan
ill be thae first to sign that

what about if u are in the military; military ships it to the US for free, would anything change or be different?

No, it's the same. Plus, the military will not ship it until you give them a copy of the contract with the Registered Importer and a receipt for the down payment (of minimum of $5,000 when I last checked).

:evillol: ohh.......i didnt know thanks

dude like, if Cali. is so anal about skylines, then why not bring it into another sea port state, I'm in FL, so I'm sure it would all be cool with them.

dude like, if Cali. is so anal about skylines, then why not bring it into another sea port state, I'm in FL, so I'm sure it would all be cool with them.

It's not Cali that's being anal, it's the NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Association), DOT and EPA that have created all the restrictions/regulations on importation. And lastly it's US Customs enforcing those regulations.

It's not Cali that's being anal, it's the NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Association), DOT and EPA that have created all the restrictions/regulations on importation. And lastly it's US Customs enforcing those regulations.
YOUR RIGHT :boink: I saw on some other tread that the US CUSTOMS seized a skyline.

If everyone has strong feelings about this why want anyone do anything about it or take actions. Why dont we take actions against the NHTSA, EPA, DOT and Customs. Who are the jackasses that make these laws and regulations anyway. And decide to make everything more difficult than it should be. They dont care as long as it doesnt inconvience them. What we need are a lot of people, RIs, customers, and other groups of people sending letters, requests, and suggestions to get them to pay it some attention and maybe consider changing it. We have alot of people here and other forums with strong opinions and feelings about this to get a point across, make an impact, and make progress towards getting this through to them. I know there may be some flaws and drawbacks in this. Poin them out if there are any you see.

If everyone has strong feelings about this why want anyone do anything about it or take actions. Why dont we take actions against the NHTSA, EPA, DOT and Customs. Who are the jackasses that make these laws and regulations anyway.

I vote for you for president ? Whats your name so I can fill it in on the ballot ?

If you promise to change the laws....

Let me just say something .

HOLY CRAP !!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1999-Nissan-Skyline-GTR-34-2-Fast-2-Furious-Movie-Car_W0QQitemZ4573882443QQcategoryZ6392QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

is that even possible , that cheap???

Let me just say something .

HOLY CRAP !!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1999-Nissan-Skyline-GTR-34-2-Fast-2-Furious-Movie-Car_W0QQitemZ4573882443QQcategoryZ6392QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

is that even possible , that cheap???

1 word, 4 letters. if you cant guess what it is, go ahead and buy it. i can almost guarentee it. the person believes that there is only 3 in the country, obviously has no idea about the car nor is history. it has a stupid evo wing. retarded. i dont know. hell, the reserve is probably 60 grand, at least....and its not even worth it for track use only.

It's fake alright, I don't think anyone will sell a BNR34 for under 80k, in the U.S. Probably some guy trying to B.S. you.

Heck I wouldn't be suprised if someone actually buys and get nothing and we start hearing it on the papers.

Let me just say something .

HOLY CRAP !!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1999-Nissan-Skyline-GTR-34-2-Fast-2-Furious-Movie-Car_W0QQitemZ4573882443QQcategoryZ6392QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

is that even possible , that cheap???

Die...

Just putting in my :2cents:

It's fake alright, I don't think anyone will sell a BNR34 for under 80k, in the U.S. Probably some guy trying to B.S. you.

Heck I wouldn't be suprised if someone actually buys and get nothing and we start hearing it on the papers.


a non legalized r34 better sell for under 80k. if not its a rip off. street legal? thats a different story.

I think thats the jump car. From what I heard, and what I see in the pictures...its the one that jumped.

I think thats the jump car. From what I heard, and what I see in the pictures...its the one that jumped.


whats that mean...dont go for it?


and no wonder the little girl could afford it, look....a flippin lambo is sittin right next to the line.

Contach go for about 60k... Like they say poor mans lambo. Real term used is boxter. "poor mans porsche"

its not the fact that its not a 100k car, but if they can afford a lambo, they can afford a line.

Hm... well Importing the skyline is not a problem.. there are ways.. not saying legal but there are many ways.. The problem is getting it registered here in the states.. no way in hell i am paying 10k plus to legalize a vehicle...
I called a customs agent in az... and he says it would not be worth my money to import it here... aahah.. he also gave me the websites to the dot ect where I could get all of the info to "legalize the car", and then strongly suggested it was a waste of money.. I emailed them and have a 2 pg email telling me what needed to be done. (it took 3 weeks and 28 phone calls but they did it). IT seems truly simple ( this is for the the few the do let in legally). I actually have one in the us but its not registered it just sits there and looks nice until I take it out on my private property. its a GTS... nothing to crazy.. I frequent the UK.. and have one over there as well... they are not hard to get here but almost impossible to legalize. I know of a few here as well, they are not legal either.. one is here on a show car/track car title.. they had to provide a one year show schedual as well as proof of attending ect. The only other way I have seen a skyline get in, is via kit car.. shell sent here then the engine ect, and then the interior.. gets here and put it back, easier said then done but still it has been done.. AND legalized.. only 5000 miles a yr allowed onto the car but if your buying them then you should have the money for 3 or for :).. or just pull the od until the next inspection...

they did it).I know of a few here as well, they are not legal either.. one is here on a show car/track car title.. they had to provide a one year show schedual as well as proof of attending ect.

This is a temporary import. Its not for legalizing the car. Actually you are not allowed to register the car, and you are not allowed to drive it on the street unless you get permission.


The only other way I have seen a skyline get in, is via kit car.. shell sent here then the engine ect, and then the interior.. gets here and put it back, easier said then done but still it has been done.. AND legalized.. only 5000 miles a yr allowed onto the car but if your buying them then you should have the money for 3 or for :).. or just pull the od until the next inspection...

5000 miles a year on a kit car ? Is this an insurance thing ? Or is it a title requirement for a kit car in Arizona. No such federal rule exists as far as I know. No such rule exists in California for kit cars.

The thing about kit cars is if a vehicle -aka one thats been titled in another country, is taken apart to avoid import regulations...aka take it apart to get it around importation laws, it is still subject to the clean air act. Importing a vehicle with the engine removed, and then reassembling it, is a violation of the clean air act.

http://www.epa.gov/oms/imports/index.htm

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"Motor vehicles" must comply with the Clean Air Act and may not be disassembled nor purchased in a disassembled form for the purposes of evading the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations. In these situations the kit car body/chassis combination must be certified by the manufacturer, must be in a configuration which was previously certified by EPA subject to the guidelines discussed at "2" above or, in the case of an importation, an EPA form 3520-1 must be filed at the port of entry and the vehicle imported by an eligible ICI who must ensure that the kit car body/chassis complies with all applicable emission requirements. At the present time, there are no ICIs eligible to import kit cars.
#

Except with regard to kit vehicles meeting the guidelines at "2" above; an individual or firm that assembles kits for hire or resale, that produces assembled kit cars for resale or that produces complete kit car packages for resale will be considered to be a manufacturer of new motor vehicles under the Clean Air Act. Such manufacturers and their vehicles are subject to all applicable regulations under the Act including civil penalties of up to $25,000 per vehicle for each new motor vehicle distributed in commerce, sold, offered for sale, or introduced, or delivered for introduction, into commerce, unless such vehicle is covered by a certificate of conformity issued by EPA."

""""This is a temporary import. Its not for legalizing the car. Actually you are not allowed to register the car, and you are not allowed to drive it on the street unless you get permission.""""


I meant to imply that you can only take it to shows and the track.. that is what I was going for.. as for the kit car... if I buy a shell and have it shipped here.. then purchase a skyline engine in america.. and rebuild it would that make a difference.. I am not saying it was illegal I just know some people who have it registered as a kit car....and thats what they did. I CERTAINLY dont know 50% of what I would like to know about a skyline and all the rules and regs, but this seems to be one of the reasonable ideas I have come upon!

" if I buy a shell and have it shipped here.. then purchase a skyline engine in america..

A shell - used to be a motor vehicle ? Yes or no ? At one time it was registered as a motor vehicle in some country ?

"Motor vehicles" must comply with the Clean Air Act and may not be disassembled nor purchased in a disassembled form for the purposes of evading the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations. In these situations the kit car body/chassis combination must be certified by the manufacturer, must be in a configuration which was previously certified by EPA subject to the guidelines discussed at "2" above or, in the case of an importation, an EPA form 3520-1 must be filed at the port of entry and the vehicle imported by an eligible ICI who must ensure that the kit car body/chassis complies with all applicable emission requirements. At the present time, there are no ICIs eligible to import kit cars.

hmm well I am sure there is a way around that.. making it not a shell but just short of one.. I mean I can get them here illegaly no problem.. but ya thats no fun:) I appreciate your input here..-mat

Do what that one guy did. Take a shell and put a V12 in it =] I thought bout it from time to time.. pretty sick

what about talking the car aprt and shipping it in pieces then say its a kit car?

Not goin to work guy. Its a half ass job. Its kinda and kinda not legal. Depends on who you ask or where youre at.

what about talking the car aprt and shipping it in pieces then say its a kit car?

Specifically prohibited by the Clean Air Act.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/imports/kitcar.htm

""Motor vehicles" must comply with the Clean Air Act and may not be disassembled nor purchased in a disassembled form for the purposes of evading the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations. In these situations the kit car body/chassis combination must be certified by the manufacturer, must be in a configuration which was previously certified by EPA subject to the guidelines discussed at "2" above or, in the case of an importation, an EPA form 3520-1 must be filed at the port of entry and the vehicle imported by an eligible ICI who must ensure that the kit car body/chassis complies with all applicable emission requirements. At the present time, there are no ICIs eligible to import kit cars."

then what would be a cheap way to import a car and it be legal as a daily driver?

then what would be a cheap way to import a car and it be legal as a daily driver?

There is not one. Just because you want it, doesn't mean you get to have it.

If its cheap its not legal. And if its legal, its not cheap.

Emissions standards don't really do much to protect the overall environment anyway, do they? I mean, as long as the car exists, it will make the same amount of pollution.

Do what that one guy did. Take a shell and put a V12 in it =] I thought bout it from time to time.. pretty sickdid the guy just keep the v12 in it till he got it registered then put the regular motor in or keep the v12 in??

not to go bahing the skyline(it's a great car and all) but arent there cars in america that can do exactly the same thing. get u from point a to point b. give u 330hp(that's what i'll call it as) and has awd or rwd.

the only alluring thing about the skyline is, you can't have it. and like everyone has said to me what you cant have maks you wanna have it. like that brand new 997(911) turbo i saw yesterday. i want it, but can't get it

not to go bahing the skyline(it's a great car and all) but arent there cars in america that can do exactly the same thing. get u from point a to point b. give u 330hp(that's what i'll call it as) and has awd or rwd.

the only alluring thing about the skyline is, you can't have it. and like everyone has said to me what you cant have maks you wanna have it. like that brand new 997(911) turbo i saw yesterday. i want it, but can't get it


You poring some gass on it ain't you. LOL

To tell a Nissan guy about Porsh!t as an alternative? HA!
See dat shiny shotgun behind me boy?
It does 3 things:
1. It shots big game
2. It shoots boys who are disrespcfull to my daughters
3. And Fu Fu Eurotuners who think they can drive,
because thay can write a big check.

Now you wouldn't be one of them Fu fu boys would ya?

We like skylines because:
1. They destroyed a racing series( no R32GT-R= no trophy)
Japanese Group A racing
2. Twin turbo
3. 2.6L Inline 6 DOHC
4. SUPER HICAS(High Capacity Active Steering)
5. ATTESA-ETS (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/) electronically controlled all-wheel-drive system
6. 1300HP power potential
7. If we liked porshas so much we wouldent be in this forum. Hello?

i'd take a brand new 997 turbo over nething but a viper.
i could honostly care less about racing in japan, i live in the good ol U.S.A.

let me give an example of what a skyline is like in america. Awd and Aws is covered by the stealth tt and mitsu vr4. the supra can cover the hp and the modded hp. the 2.6l is smaller than my stealths. the aws(same type) can b found on a z32. the only 2 things the skyline has that all the above listed cars dont, it had a 4dr version, o and it's evidently easier to spell than PORSCHE, dont mispell the name of a car just becuase u dont like it. if u went to the porsche section they'd kill u.

2) i've owned an r33, and i sold it cause the stealth was better, and cheaper to get parts for, isnt as much of a hassle to get insurance.
3) i just bought a Porsche 944

here's an example of a car u dont want because u can have it, a chevy corvette z06. it's cheaper than importing a skyline, it beats the skyline around the ring, and it's got more power, y dont u want it, cause it's not a forbidden fruit.
in the usa u cant have a skyline as easily, so u want it. does that make sense. like i said, i cant have a 997 turbo because i cant afford it, but i want one, i cant have it(yet)

o and since ur in atlanta, do me a favor, since i'm moving down there in may 08, let me know how much gas is on average for premium. and go out and buy a skyline, then when i bring my stealth down we can go to the local track and c whats going on

Thought so. Fu Fu.
"Look here boys got me a marlin."

$3.10pg 93oct.
What ever you drive will get more noticed here It's not like Cali.
Less emission drama

one i'm not a fu fu, i can drive, i just like porsche's, honostly i hate ferrari's and lambo's. porsche's have a sex appeal to em, and i like em.
damn it's that much, i pay 2.90pg here.
i'm leaving the stealth up in jersey, becuase i wont b able to afford an appt and that car, the porsche will b cheaper, because it ain't turbo, and it's a four banger, not fast, and i dont want it to b. the stealth is quick enuf with 320hp and awd.

and a marlin doesnt make sense, even tho u live in florida, a deer and a shotgun would make more sense

Man I'm playing with ya.
what realy annoys me is kids putting APC stickers on for performance, street racing and killing people.
This guy told me all about is son. and finnished with saying that the first mod the kis would make is to remove the airbag to add a racing wheel.:banghead:
If you are investing your time to make your racecraft better.
Then I'm cool
The average single bedroom in Atlanta is $500pm
No tolls no bridge tax.
I moved from NYC 6 years ago.
My wallet has never regretted it.
There is Road Atlanta
Allanta motor speedway.
The highways are smooth and fast
and Full coverage insurence is rediculously cheep.
If you brake down on the interstate they aint gonna burn your car in 2 hours.
You can get a 3br/ 2 ba house wit 1-2 car garage for 125K down here.
There is the NOPI store here on the South side
And some good speed shops too.
I also know where to get good pizzia too.

another option to get the skyline:

if you know someone in canada, register it under his name and drive it back to your place, one of my friend will do this.

i'm from quebec and this is the car i drive, an r32 skyline. i can tell for those who wants this car that it's totally amazing! can't wait till summer comes to get my car out of storage

i think motorex is out of buisness now since the owner is in jail for fraud

u could also just buy the car in canada and drive it back to the states. and register it for off road use only...no import costs. but u cant really use it on the road. u could also go with show title. means(in jersey at least) you're allowed up to 2500miles a yr(the state/insurance will check) and can drive it to car shows or w/e u wish. yes even to burger king, if u can figure out how to go thru a drive thru by yourself in a rhd car...that was always my issue

u could also just buy the car in canada and drive it back to the states. and register it for off road use only...no import costs. but u cant really use it on the road. u could also go with show title. means(in jersey at least) you're allowed up to 2500miles a yr(the state/insurance will check) and can drive it to car shows or w/e u wish. yes even to burger king, if u can figure out how to go thru a drive thru by yourself in a rhd car...that was always my issue

That 's the move too.
I would drive it once a week any way.

Vectorspecialist!!
You make the move yet?

That 's the move too.
I would drive it once a week any way.

Vectorspecialist!!
You make the move yet?

long story short...no and i'm not going to move to ATl. that gf and i didnt work out, but i had moved to VA, and in an area where racing was huge. and there was supposed to b a guy going too, he and i dont talk anymore. both her and he did something that i can look past, but i wouldnt wanna live with either being that i cant really trust em. so now i'm broke, working two jobs to make up for some of the money i spent, then when i get the chance i'll likely move to that part of VA again to go after racing. plus VIR was not even an hour away, charlotte was about 2hrs away as was richmond, and south boston was about an hr. atl would b about 6.5 to 7hrs away from that part of VA. so i'll b putting myself in a good spot for racing.

as for racing u...i gotta get the stealth fixed again, hit a tree on sunday going down my driveway that had ice under the snow. i didnt know it was there, and yea my car was on that tree from about 930am till around 7pm, no way to get it out w/o a guide truck to keep it from going further into the ditch.

i may move to atl...but VA was cheap, and i know the area a lil b/c i lived there even if only for a month or so. plus i work for ups, that part of VA(city of danville) has it's own ups, i may b able to get a transfer, and not need to worry bout a job wen i get there...granted atl has like 6 or 7 ups depots. but Va is gonna b cheaper than ATl, i'll likely make trips down there tho. there autoatlanta....big porsche parts place

No big I will be into a project starting Feb.
But it will be slow going. nothing worth racing for a year.

look heres a way around everything k...they sell skylines in canada that are legal in the US so if u already have a skyline from somewhere else like i do in japan strip it of all parts send it to the states they cant tell u tht u cant send back engines and turbos or what not bc its not a car anymore buy a legal skyline from canada for like 10 k and put ur other shit in it.... or buy a 240 sx and do the same case closed it works ive done it

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Number 1.....Bull shiite!
Number 2.....Look at the freakin date!!