BMW really trying to appeal to everyone?
ultimatedriver7
11-10-2001, 01:43 PM
:bloated: What is that I see here? Has the whole world gone to hell? A BMW TRUCK???http://bmw.theautobahn.com/models/prototype/pickup/x5pup.gif
hermunn123
11-10-2001, 04:50 PM
they better not make this!!
gang$tarr
11-12-2001, 08:20 PM
this is just like i hope they don't make the 2-series, that would put BMWs reputation of being a superior car right down the shitter
They gotta stick to their market... i don't like how companies are trying to appeal to everybody. Just like the Porsche Cayenne, what are they doing!! :confused:
They gotta stick to their market... i don't like how companies are trying to appeal to everybody. Just like the Porsche Cayenne, what are they doing!! :confused:
Jay!
11-12-2001, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by gang$tarr
They gotta stick to their market... i don't like how companies are trying to appeal to everybody. Just like the Porsche Cayenne, what are they doing!! :confused: G$ is exactly right. They're doing it for money.
I'm really not surprised at all.
They gotta stick to their market... i don't like how companies are trying to appeal to everybody. Just like the Porsche Cayenne, what are they doing!! :confused: G$ is exactly right. They're doing it for money.
I'm really not surprised at all.
gang$tarr
11-12-2001, 08:31 PM
i'm not surprised either.... but i really don't like it
it's all just so bad for reputations of the manufacturers
it's all just so bad for reputations of the manufacturers
G-Forces
11-13-2001, 09:42 AM
That pickup is a freaking mistake. Who the hell is going to buy that and take it to the construction site? "Well I need to for carry my stuff the the Pottery Barn." Gimme a freaking break. I can't wait till this whole fad is done.
GS: I don't see anything wrong with the 2 series. They are just trying to revive the spirit of the 2002, they just need to exectute it properly. I'm sure it still won't be priced like a civic. :)
GS: I don't see anything wrong with the 2 series. They are just trying to revive the spirit of the 2002, they just need to exectute it properly. I'm sure it still won't be priced like a civic. :)
gang$tarr
11-13-2001, 05:54 PM
yeah i don't think they should go lower than 3-series though.... like the 318 is enough... why go lower? then it just starts lookin like BMW is some cheap company
Technodrome
11-14-2001, 10:38 PM
Did you know that Mercedes makes trucks and buses??? Well in Europe every 2nd truck is Mercedes made!!!!!! Since,BMW and Mercedes make buses and I don't see whats the big deal with this BMW pick-up truck...
BMW FOREVER!!!!!!!:flipa:
BMW FOREVER!!!!!!!:flipa:
jinushaun
11-29-2001, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by Technodrome
Did you know that Mercedes makes trucks and buses??? Well in Europe every 2nd truck is Mercedes made!!!!!! Since,BMW and Mercedes make buses and I don't see whats the big deal with this BMW pick-up truck...
I think the difference is, Merc is also known for its trucks and buses as well as cars, where as BMW is mainly cars and motorcycles. Come on! DaimlerChrysler freaking owns like 4 trucking companies. And plus, Merc also makes Land Rover and Hummer type vehicles.
I must admit, the truck isn't ugly, but it's just wrong. (Like the Porsche Cyanne SUV). It's not a Land Rover or a Hummer, but those Ford type pickup trucks. What is the bloody point?! X5 only came about because of the whole SUV fad (which is still going strong, ex: Porsche). This pickup is purely for the money and--as g$ points out--dilutes and cheapens the BMW brand.
Did you know that Mercedes makes trucks and buses??? Well in Europe every 2nd truck is Mercedes made!!!!!! Since,BMW and Mercedes make buses and I don't see whats the big deal with this BMW pick-up truck...
I think the difference is, Merc is also known for its trucks and buses as well as cars, where as BMW is mainly cars and motorcycles. Come on! DaimlerChrysler freaking owns like 4 trucking companies. And plus, Merc also makes Land Rover and Hummer type vehicles.
I must admit, the truck isn't ugly, but it's just wrong. (Like the Porsche Cyanne SUV). It's not a Land Rover or a Hummer, but those Ford type pickup trucks. What is the bloody point?! X5 only came about because of the whole SUV fad (which is still going strong, ex: Porsche). This pickup is purely for the money and--as g$ points out--dilutes and cheapens the BMW brand.
MattyG
11-29-2001, 10:04 PM
I reckon it will be sweet if they a dump the V8 in it.......be a real grunty ute!!!!!
Banzai
11-30-2001, 12:32 AM
That's a nice lookin ute you know:)
I'm afraid that's the trend these days. Volkswagen wants to make itself a luxury/prestige marque and as a result, it has flooded the market with the Passat W8, a limousine rival for the S-Class and the W12 supercar. VW should know better...they are suppose to make affordable yet desirable cars, not expensive wannabes.
The Cayanne is a mistake, I must admit. I agree totally that every manufacturer should stick to their core responsibilities. The Fords, Toyotas and VW's are suppose to make affordable cars while the BMW's, Lexus' and Cadillacs are supposed to make prestige driving machines. But having said that...the ute might not be a success. I think many should know by now that no current BMW vehicles are not cheap or of "good value". People who buy utes need it for hard physical labour and wouldn't want to waste money on a "prestige ute" that they can't bear to get dirt on.
And what about that hideous Compact? Talk about bland! BMW only created the hatchback to mainly rival the VW Golf and Ford Focus and Honda Civic. But I can surely speak for many when I say that people would opt for a VW Golf not only because it looks better, but also its cheaper and better value than the Bimmer. Only the badge conscious and the really wealthy people would fork over tens of thousands of US$ for such an ugly duckling.
I'm afraid that's the trend these days. Volkswagen wants to make itself a luxury/prestige marque and as a result, it has flooded the market with the Passat W8, a limousine rival for the S-Class and the W12 supercar. VW should know better...they are suppose to make affordable yet desirable cars, not expensive wannabes.
The Cayanne is a mistake, I must admit. I agree totally that every manufacturer should stick to their core responsibilities. The Fords, Toyotas and VW's are suppose to make affordable cars while the BMW's, Lexus' and Cadillacs are supposed to make prestige driving machines. But having said that...the ute might not be a success. I think many should know by now that no current BMW vehicles are not cheap or of "good value". People who buy utes need it for hard physical labour and wouldn't want to waste money on a "prestige ute" that they can't bear to get dirt on.
And what about that hideous Compact? Talk about bland! BMW only created the hatchback to mainly rival the VW Golf and Ford Focus and Honda Civic. But I can surely speak for many when I say that people would opt for a VW Golf not only because it looks better, but also its cheaper and better value than the Bimmer. Only the badge conscious and the really wealthy people would fork over tens of thousands of US$ for such an ugly duckling.
328isRob
11-30-2001, 10:32 AM
Just one thing to add to what was just said... "Fords, Toyotas and VW's are suppose to make affordable cars while the BMW's, Lexus' and Cadillacs are supposed to make prestige driving machines" So along the same lines then Honda, Toyota, Nissan are supposed to make affordable cars then why did they get ingo the high-end market, Acura, Lexus, Infinity, respectively? Would it be ok if BMW just created a new name for its low end vehicles just like the above did for their high end vehicles? The only difference is the Lexus, Acura, Infinity are made by companies who have a reputation of building cheaper ($$), less refined cars. And BMW branding a new name would be going the other way.
Was Honda trying to appeal to everyone when they started making SUV's (4wheel drive grocery getters) and Acura? Was Toyota trying to appeal to everyone with the T1000 and Lexus? Was Nissan trying to appeal to everyone with there (shitty) pickup trucks and Infinity. Espically when alot of these companies just take a car, put their luxury emblem and a few extra options in it and call it a luxury performance car? (Maxima - I30)
Was Honda trying to appeal to everyone when they started making SUV's (4wheel drive grocery getters) and Acura? Was Toyota trying to appeal to everyone with the T1000 and Lexus? Was Nissan trying to appeal to everyone with there (shitty) pickup trucks and Infinity. Espically when alot of these companies just take a car, put their luxury emblem and a few extra options in it and call it a luxury performance car? (Maxima - I30)
enginerd
11-30-2001, 10:38 AM
Please excuse me, I'm gonna go over there and slash my wrists, thank you.
EdgarFan659
11-30-2001, 11:22 AM
The luxury truck market doesn't seem like something BMW would be interested in. Like another poster pointed out, the X5 was created to take a piece of the SUV-fad market. A BMW X5 truck doesn't seem like it would have much interest at all. If you look at the other luxury pickups out there - Lincoln's Blackwood and the one Cadillac is making (can't remember what it's called), those are both limited production units. Didn't they say they're only making a couple thousand Blackwoods for the year? You have to ask yourself - would the small amount of people who could afford a luxury truck buy one? Most people with the $$$ and want a BMW are looking for sport. I have a hard time equating "sport" with "truck".... although BMW has tried very hard to make their X5 SUV extremely sporty, while being large and AWD.
Personally, I think the concept of a luxury pickup truck is absurd. Trucks are meant for hauling, towing, and other heavy duty activities. I'd be afraid to put anything in the bed for fear of scratching it! Especially during the process of loading and unloading anything into it as well.
Then again, if that picture above is legit, it's just a concept...which doesn't mean squat. Car companies do concepts all the time without ever going to produce them. I briefly checked the internet for more info about the X5 pickup and couldn't find much, other than that same picture posted above. It would be such a waste for BMW to produce it.... I can't imagine that they would actually sell enough to make any money whatsoever. Doesn't seem like good business to me.
Personally, I think the concept of a luxury pickup truck is absurd. Trucks are meant for hauling, towing, and other heavy duty activities. I'd be afraid to put anything in the bed for fear of scratching it! Especially during the process of loading and unloading anything into it as well.
Then again, if that picture above is legit, it's just a concept...which doesn't mean squat. Car companies do concepts all the time without ever going to produce them. I briefly checked the internet for more info about the X5 pickup and couldn't find much, other than that same picture posted above. It would be such a waste for BMW to produce it.... I can't imagine that they would actually sell enough to make any money whatsoever. Doesn't seem like good business to me.
jinushaun
11-30-2001, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by 328isRob
So along the same lines then Honda, Toyota, Nissan are supposed to make affordable cars then why did they get ingo the high-end market, Acura, Lexus, Infinity, respectively? Would it be ok if BMW just created a new name for its low end vehicles just like the above did for their high end vehicles? The only difference is the Lexus, Acura, Infinity are made by companies who have a reputation of building cheaper ($$), less refined cars. And BMW branding a new name would be going the other way
Yes, if BMW is gonna go into that market, they should do it under a new name.
Sure Lexus et al are made by the major Japanese economy car manufacturers, but the fact that they give them a new name helps to differentiate the brand. It's like I know Toyota and Lexus and Nissan and Infinity are the same company, but I can't help thinking that they are separate.
So along the same lines then Honda, Toyota, Nissan are supposed to make affordable cars then why did they get ingo the high-end market, Acura, Lexus, Infinity, respectively? Would it be ok if BMW just created a new name for its low end vehicles just like the above did for their high end vehicles? The only difference is the Lexus, Acura, Infinity are made by companies who have a reputation of building cheaper ($$), less refined cars. And BMW branding a new name would be going the other way
Yes, if BMW is gonna go into that market, they should do it under a new name.
Sure Lexus et al are made by the major Japanese economy car manufacturers, but the fact that they give them a new name helps to differentiate the brand. It's like I know Toyota and Lexus and Nissan and Infinity are the same company, but I can't help thinking that they are separate.
Banzai
12-01-2001, 08:43 PM
I agree.
"Less refined"? I though Lexus cars are the most refined cars in the world, seeing that their silky smooth V-8's are the quietest and most flexible on the market.
Having said that, Honda is suffering in Europe because they do not have a seprate badge to differentiate from their upmarket cars to their normal cars. Sure, Honda had the Type-R badge, but they were very rare and sold only in discreet numbers or privately.
Toyota, Nissan and Honda created differante brands to bridge a gap between their upmarket and normal cars. Although Lexus may be seen as a bland marque because of its Toyota roots, at least the badge generates strong appeal simply because it isn't seen as a Toy-oda.
Honda has the Mugen in Japan and Acura in America and has nothing in Europe. I suspect Honda doesn't see the European market as important as the Japanese and American market and that's why Honda isn't pampering Europeans with luxuries like the Acura and Mugen which generate strong appeal. In Europe, everything from the Logo to the NSX is just a Honda. That's why Europeans are more favourable towards Lexus' than the Nissan Maxima or Honda Legend because they are badge prejudice. People respect Lexus for their engineering excellence, technological superiority and unrivalled build quality/reliabilty/refinement. Honda is a mass manufacturer and as a result, the NSX is seen as a "mass coupe" even though it costs a dear $90000. That's why the Japanese created luxury marques. Its all about profit and market share.
BMW has a sports-luxury image. It is not seen as a maker of utes. And I agree that they must create another brand to differentiate between their luxury models and others.
"Less refined"? I though Lexus cars are the most refined cars in the world, seeing that their silky smooth V-8's are the quietest and most flexible on the market.
Having said that, Honda is suffering in Europe because they do not have a seprate badge to differentiate from their upmarket cars to their normal cars. Sure, Honda had the Type-R badge, but they were very rare and sold only in discreet numbers or privately.
Toyota, Nissan and Honda created differante brands to bridge a gap between their upmarket and normal cars. Although Lexus may be seen as a bland marque because of its Toyota roots, at least the badge generates strong appeal simply because it isn't seen as a Toy-oda.
Honda has the Mugen in Japan and Acura in America and has nothing in Europe. I suspect Honda doesn't see the European market as important as the Japanese and American market and that's why Honda isn't pampering Europeans with luxuries like the Acura and Mugen which generate strong appeal. In Europe, everything from the Logo to the NSX is just a Honda. That's why Europeans are more favourable towards Lexus' than the Nissan Maxima or Honda Legend because they are badge prejudice. People respect Lexus for their engineering excellence, technological superiority and unrivalled build quality/reliabilty/refinement. Honda is a mass manufacturer and as a result, the NSX is seen as a "mass coupe" even though it costs a dear $90000. That's why the Japanese created luxury marques. Its all about profit and market share.
BMW has a sports-luxury image. It is not seen as a maker of utes. And I agree that they must create another brand to differentiate between their luxury models and others.
328isRob
12-11-2001, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by Banzai
I agree.
"Less refined"? I though Lexus cars are the most refined cars in the world, seeing that their silky smooth V-8's are the quietest and most flexible on the market.
Having said that, Honda is suffering in Europe because they do not have a seprate badge to differentiate from their upmarket cars to their normal cars. Sure, Honda had the Type-R badge, but they were very rare and sold only in discreet numbers or privately.
Toyota, Nissan and Honda created differante brands to bridge a gap between their upmarket and normal cars. Although Lexus may be seen as a bland marque because of its Toyota roots, at least the badge generates strong appeal simply because it isn't seen as a Toy-oda.
Honda has the Mugen in Japan and Acura in America and has nothing in Europe. I suspect Honda doesn't see the European market as important as the Japanese and American market and that's why Honda isn't pampering Europeans with luxuries like the Acura and Mugen which generate strong appeal. In Europe, everything from the Logo to the NSX is just a Honda. That's why Europeans are more favourable towards Lexus' than the Nissan Maxima or Honda Legend because they are badge prejudice. People respect Lexus for their engineering excellence, technological superiority and unrivalled build quality/reliabilty/refinement. Honda is a mass manufacturer and as a result, the NSX is seen as a "mass coupe" even though it costs a dear $90000. That's why the Japanese created luxury marques. Its all about profit and market share.
BMW has a sports-luxury image. It is not seen as a maker of utes. And I agree that they must create another brand to differentiate between their luxury models and others.
I'm going to have to disagree with Lexus being the "most refined cars in the world" Personally I think that BMWs and MBs are more refined but even they are no where near the "most refined".
Honda does have a seperate badge to differentiate their upper market cars that badge is called Acura, their Type-R is equal to Ford's SVT, or Toyota's TRD. Do you mean to say that you can't buy a Acura anywhere other than America?
I agree.
"Less refined"? I though Lexus cars are the most refined cars in the world, seeing that their silky smooth V-8's are the quietest and most flexible on the market.
Having said that, Honda is suffering in Europe because they do not have a seprate badge to differentiate from their upmarket cars to their normal cars. Sure, Honda had the Type-R badge, but they were very rare and sold only in discreet numbers or privately.
Toyota, Nissan and Honda created differante brands to bridge a gap between their upmarket and normal cars. Although Lexus may be seen as a bland marque because of its Toyota roots, at least the badge generates strong appeal simply because it isn't seen as a Toy-oda.
Honda has the Mugen in Japan and Acura in America and has nothing in Europe. I suspect Honda doesn't see the European market as important as the Japanese and American market and that's why Honda isn't pampering Europeans with luxuries like the Acura and Mugen which generate strong appeal. In Europe, everything from the Logo to the NSX is just a Honda. That's why Europeans are more favourable towards Lexus' than the Nissan Maxima or Honda Legend because they are badge prejudice. People respect Lexus for their engineering excellence, technological superiority and unrivalled build quality/reliabilty/refinement. Honda is a mass manufacturer and as a result, the NSX is seen as a "mass coupe" even though it costs a dear $90000. That's why the Japanese created luxury marques. Its all about profit and market share.
BMW has a sports-luxury image. It is not seen as a maker of utes. And I agree that they must create another brand to differentiate between their luxury models and others.
I'm going to have to disagree with Lexus being the "most refined cars in the world" Personally I think that BMWs and MBs are more refined but even they are no where near the "most refined".
Honda does have a seperate badge to differentiate their upper market cars that badge is called Acura, their Type-R is equal to Ford's SVT, or Toyota's TRD. Do you mean to say that you can't buy a Acura anywhere other than America?
EdgarFan659
12-14-2001, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by worthlessbmw
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Banzai
12-14-2001, 08:14 PM
Acura is not supposed to exist other than in the North American market. It isn't even marketed in Japan. But I have seen an Acura dealership operating in Hong Kong.
When I said Lexus is the most refined, I meant that Lexus upgrades their vehicles more than BMW or Merc or any other luxury marque does. For example, the IS430 is a concept that's earmarked for production. If it's produced, it will be the most upgraded Lexus and will do a 0-60mph sprint in 4.4 sec and as a result, will directly target M-series and AMG.
The Type-R badge is used to simply indicate that it is the range and performance topping car of that Honda model. For example, the Integra Type R is more respected than the base model because of its performance talents. I have never heard of the SVT or TRD, so I can't comment on those.
BMW has the M-series not only to take on AMG, but to bring BMW to an even higher level of respect. Everywhere I go, whenever M3 or M5 is mentioned, people pay attention and would generally nod in approval of the name. Why? Because of its performance image.
That's why BMW has to create a different badge for its utes. Its simply not good enough for BMW to ruin its luxury sport image when many things are at stake now. If BMW doesn't, then a few years later, utes will start appearing in people's minds when BMW or M-series is mentioned. And believe me, utes are no sport-luxury-performance vehicles. They're there to do arduous labour.
When I said Lexus is the most refined, I meant that Lexus upgrades their vehicles more than BMW or Merc or any other luxury marque does. For example, the IS430 is a concept that's earmarked for production. If it's produced, it will be the most upgraded Lexus and will do a 0-60mph sprint in 4.4 sec and as a result, will directly target M-series and AMG.
The Type-R badge is used to simply indicate that it is the range and performance topping car of that Honda model. For example, the Integra Type R is more respected than the base model because of its performance talents. I have never heard of the SVT or TRD, so I can't comment on those.
BMW has the M-series not only to take on AMG, but to bring BMW to an even higher level of respect. Everywhere I go, whenever M3 or M5 is mentioned, people pay attention and would generally nod in approval of the name. Why? Because of its performance image.
That's why BMW has to create a different badge for its utes. Its simply not good enough for BMW to ruin its luxury sport image when many things are at stake now. If BMW doesn't, then a few years later, utes will start appearing in people's minds when BMW or M-series is mentioned. And believe me, utes are no sport-luxury-performance vehicles. They're there to do arduous labour.
328isRob
12-15-2001, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by Banzai
...will do a 0-60mph sprint in 4.4 sec and as a result, will directly target M-series and AMG...
That would be nice to see and would definately up the stakes for Motorsport and AMG.
...will do a 0-60mph sprint in 4.4 sec and as a result, will directly target M-series and AMG...
That would be nice to see and would definately up the stakes for Motorsport and AMG.
Banzai
12-15-2001, 07:29 PM
These following are the pictures of the Lexus IS430. As if BMW didn't have enough problems already!
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=147435
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=147437
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=147441
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=147442
The following are the Specs.
Coming out in 2002 as a 2003 model in the Lexus lineup: IS430
Engine: Supercharged 32-Valves DOHC 4.3Liter V8
Power: 396bhp
Drivetrain: Rear Wheel Drive
Transmission: 6-Speed
Acceleration: 0 - 60MPH at 4.5sec
M.S.R.P.: $40,000+[B]
All these are the courtesy of "lenkun" from automobileforums.com
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=147435
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=147437
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=147441
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=147442
The following are the Specs.
Coming out in 2002 as a 2003 model in the Lexus lineup: IS430
Engine: Supercharged 32-Valves DOHC 4.3Liter V8
Power: 396bhp
Drivetrain: Rear Wheel Drive
Transmission: 6-Speed
Acceleration: 0 - 60MPH at 4.5sec
M.S.R.P.: $40,000+[B]
All these are the courtesy of "lenkun" from automobileforums.com
gang$tarr
12-15-2001, 08:23 PM
whoa! That's a beast! almost 400hp!! unbelievable
i think they should change the name though, like not keep the IS... since it supposed to be a superior sportier car than an IS. LIke ///M and AMG, they should use TRD...... make it like a TRD430
but i don't understand why they don't make 2 door coupe ISs??
i think they should change the name though, like not keep the IS... since it supposed to be a superior sportier car than an IS. LIke ///M and AMG, they should use TRD...... make it like a TRD430
but i don't understand why they don't make 2 door coupe ISs??
Technodrome
12-15-2001, 09:44 PM
Banzai, Man you are pain in the ass.....That Lexus (Toyota deluxe) will never be able to reach BMWs market!!!!!!
You said that Lexus is the most refined car!!! Where that came from??????
BMW styling and performance is much better from Lexus I don't see your point in all this...
I had an opportunity to drive New Lexus 400 and it feels like you are driving Toyota Camry. I did not like it at all…Could be just me, I don’t know….
You have been so negative about BMW and seems to me that you probably never even drive one!!!!!
Get a life man and stop Dreaming!!!!!!
You said that Lexus is the most refined car!!! Where that came from??????
BMW styling and performance is much better from Lexus I don't see your point in all this...
I had an opportunity to drive New Lexus 400 and it feels like you are driving Toyota Camry. I did not like it at all…Could be just me, I don’t know….
You have been so negative about BMW and seems to me that you probably never even drive one!!!!!
Get a life man and stop Dreaming!!!!!!
jinushaun
12-15-2001, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by gang$tarr
but i don't understand why they don't make 2 door coupe ISs??
I don't understand why they don't have an E46 M3 saloon! Anywayz, I've never been too thrilled by the IS styling, but this is a very nice car if you consider the specs.
but i don't understand why they don't make 2 door coupe ISs??
I don't understand why they don't have an E46 M3 saloon! Anywayz, I've never been too thrilled by the IS styling, but this is a very nice car if you consider the specs.
Banzai
12-16-2001, 05:53 AM
Dear Criticiser;
If you must know, I fully respect BMW for its design and engineering integrity. What I don't appreciate is people telling me that I doing things which I'm not. And I'm certainly not being totally negative about Beemer. In fact, I love 'em (the current range, of course).
Anyway, I only posted the IS430 because I though other BMW fans like me are interested to know what rivals exist. BMW isn't the only maker of 300bhp+ Sports Compact sedans you know. I welcome all competition, as it will only force BMW to make their cars better. If you want BMW to be the only manufacturer in existence, fine. That's your opinion.
P.S: The only negative thing I've said about BMW was about their concept cars. And I don't always dream about cars you know.
Your's truly,
a real car lover who doesn't love just a BMW.
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Now that's out of the road, I've dug up another competitor.
The Alfa Romeo 156 GTA has a 3.2 litre V-6 with 325 bhp. That's all I know about it, but the fight's going to be more interesting:) An estimated 0-60mph sprint is calculated at 4.9 sec. So it'll be too slow to tackle the M3, but judging from the praise I've seen on the Alfa's handling, this one will not be so easily beaten. It will be crushed by the Beemer, but not so easily.
The Lexus probably will have a box problem. I heard that Toyota had some problems trying to fit a manual in the IS300 because the IS200's six-speeder won't cope with the power-to-weight ratio. And seeing that BMW fitted an entirely new box system into the M3 plus THAT M-powered 3.2 engine, OF COURSE BMW'S going to be the King....I hope.
If you must know, I fully respect BMW for its design and engineering integrity. What I don't appreciate is people telling me that I doing things which I'm not. And I'm certainly not being totally negative about Beemer. In fact, I love 'em (the current range, of course).
Anyway, I only posted the IS430 because I though other BMW fans like me are interested to know what rivals exist. BMW isn't the only maker of 300bhp+ Sports Compact sedans you know. I welcome all competition, as it will only force BMW to make their cars better. If you want BMW to be the only manufacturer in existence, fine. That's your opinion.
P.S: The only negative thing I've said about BMW was about their concept cars. And I don't always dream about cars you know.
Your's truly,
a real car lover who doesn't love just a BMW.
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Now that's out of the road, I've dug up another competitor.
The Alfa Romeo 156 GTA has a 3.2 litre V-6 with 325 bhp. That's all I know about it, but the fight's going to be more interesting:) An estimated 0-60mph sprint is calculated at 4.9 sec. So it'll be too slow to tackle the M3, but judging from the praise I've seen on the Alfa's handling, this one will not be so easily beaten. It will be crushed by the Beemer, but not so easily.
The Lexus probably will have a box problem. I heard that Toyota had some problems trying to fit a manual in the IS300 because the IS200's six-speeder won't cope with the power-to-weight ratio. And seeing that BMW fitted an entirely new box system into the M3 plus THAT M-powered 3.2 engine, OF COURSE BMW'S going to be the King....I hope.
Marita
12-21-2001, 12:13 PM
im sorry but, WTF???:argue:
Anik311
01-16-2002, 04:50 PM
All I wanna do is wait and see if that thing sells...at the price they are going to charge who is going to pay that much money?
I mean trucks gotta be rugged...would YOU wanna put dirt and crap in the back of a 50,000-60,000 dollar truck?
SHOOO i wouldnt!
I mean trucks gotta be rugged...would YOU wanna put dirt and crap in the back of a 50,000-60,000 dollar truck?
SHOOO i wouldnt!
jinushaun
01-17-2002, 09:43 AM
Haha, I know you Marita!! (small world) :eek: DTM rocks!! :ylsuper Maybe you should start another 1000+ reply topic! Hehe :hehe: :hehehe:
Marita
01-17-2002, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by jinushaun
Haha, I know you Marita!! (small world) :eek: DTM rocks!! :ylsuper Maybe you should start another 1000+ reply topic! Hehe :hehe: :hehehe:
lol...with all the threads going on here sure why not...lol...:)
Haha, I know you Marita!! (small world) :eek: DTM rocks!! :ylsuper Maybe you should start another 1000+ reply topic! Hehe :hehe: :hehehe:
lol...with all the threads going on here sure why not...lol...:)
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