Toyota86 Wide Body kit from Hobby Desgin

Releasing some time this month(May) is Hobby Design wide body kit for the Toyota 86 kits, it say its its for the Aoshima version, not sure if that is 100% true, and if it will fit the Tamiya body, but I dont see why not.
This is similar to the Rocket Bunny version, but its a little cheaper,and I think you get more with this one , pre order price is about $67 US, normal price is $71US, I have one on pre order already
http://www.hlj.com/product/HYDHD03-0220
http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h341/irvan2836/86a_zps99607bff.jpg (http://s1105.photobucket.com/user/irvan2836/media/86a_zps99607bff.jpg.html)
http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h341/irvan2836/86f_zps74e87260.jpg (http://s1105.photobucket.com/user/irvan2836/media/86f_zps74e87260.jpg.html)
http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h341/irvan2836/86g_zps39755d5c.jpg (http://s1105.photobucket.com/user/irvan2836/media/86g_zps39755d5c.jpg.html)
http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h341/irvan2836/86b_zps0f6e04fc.jpg (http://s1105.photobucket.com/user/irvan2836/media/86b_zps0f6e04fc.jpg.html)
http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h341/irvan2836/86c_zpscd38fa2f.jpg (http://s1105.photobucket.com/user/irvan2836/media/86c_zpscd38fa2f.jpg.html)

I didn't know Hobby Design made it. Because 81 who also made one exactly like that too.
http://www.eightyone81.com/rbtk002/

I didn't know Hobby Design made it. Because 81 who also made one exactly like that too.
http://www.eightyone81.com/rbtk002/
Well its a new trans kit, so that may be why did not know about it, the 81 kit is nice, and I was going to get that one, but I am glad I waited, I like the looks of this Hobby Design one better, it seems you get a lot more for a little less

The Hobby Design kit looks like it has plenty of stuff. The decals would be nice, and the PE looks good. I worry about HD resin though, I hear stuff about it being out of scale. Is this the transkit with the weird NA setup with an intercooler? Anyway, I am super happy with my 81 transkit, the resin is fantastic, fits perfectly and looks spot on. I have gone back to them a bunch for other stuff and they have been super impressive. I'd love to see both built up together.

Looks ok. I'll wait to see build reviews. And yea...what the hell is up with the NA cold air through intercooler setup lol!

Eightyone got a license from Tra Kyoto to make the Rocket Bunny transkit. Hobby Design did not bother with obtaining a license.

When Eightyone got wind of HD's unlicensed transkit, they informed them about the licensing issue, and offered to collaborate with them on it. HD promised they will change their kit enough to not directly compete with Eightyone (the Japanese flag on the wing would be removed, for one), and refused any collaboration. Then they proceed to release their unlicensed transkit.

Based on that alone, I will definitely not get the 86 transkit from HD, not to mention their dubious resin quality. On the other hand, I have bought the one from Eightyone, and I am very happy with it.

Eightyone got a license from Tra Kyoto to make the Rocket Bunny transkit. Hobby Design did not bother with obtaining a license.

When Eightyone got wind of HD's unlicensed transkit, they informed them about the licensing issue, and offered to collaborate with them on it. HD promised they will change their kit enough to not directly compete with Eightyone (the Japanese flag on the wing would be removed, for one), and refused any collaboration. Then they proceed to release their unlicensed transkit.

Based on that alone, I will definitely not get the 86 transkit from HD, not to mention their dubious resin quality. On the other hand, I have bought the one from Eightyone, and I am very happy with it.

HD looks like this from Model Scientist, so there are few out there that are not paying licensing fees, or trying to get around it
http://www.modelscientists.com/products/1-24-endlessxrocketbunny-fr-s

cool looking mod kit!
the lambo murcie flared kit looks good too!

HD looks like this from Model Scientist, so there are few out there that are not paying licensing fees, or trying to get around it
http://www.modelscientists.com/products/1-24-endlessxrocketbunny-fr-s

That is fully built. He just selling his stuff pretty much.

That is fully built. He just selling his stuff pretty much.

Oh yeah, I see that, sorry, its been a long day, I should of looked more closely, my mistake.

Its cool. Yeah, he just buy and resell pretty much

Eightyone got a license from Tra Kyoto to make the Rocket Bunny transkit. Hobby Design did not bother with obtaining a license.

I Doubt very much that they would bother getting licenses from anyone.
Their (HD) kit looks good, love that it comes with PE & those Enkei Rims.
The first batch will fit perfect but after that....
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s258/da_ashman/Versace%20LP640%20Roadster/IMG_0395.jpg

I'll stick to suporting the little guys with my Eightyone Rocket Bunny 86 kit. Eightyone have damn good quality & are doing good things, they also have a great Facebook presence which makes them more human to deal with...

I need to make it clear that I am in no way supporting what Hobby Designs is doing, and was not aware of this when I posted this thread, if I was, I would not of created this thread.

I need to read what 81 post more often, well if I read the language that would help lol

In light of this maybe this thread should be locked

Nothing wrong with this thread, afterall it brings up some discussion on the Rocket Bunny transkit and isn't that what this forum is for?

I wish EightyOne would throw in that little fret of photoetch with their transkit too, but perhaps they need to cover their licensing fee? At $15 those Bunny Rocket logos sure are expensive.

Price-wise at $102 ($87 transkit +$15 photoetch) with shipping included it is not significantly more expensive than HD. Shipping from Hong Kong to the US registered cost over $15, and HLJ would probably charge more from Japan. Judging from the pics the only thing missing from EightyOne's kit are the brake discs and radiator/intercooler faces, but you get an extra set of SSR mesh rims.

Nothing wrong with this thread, afterall it brings up some discussion on the Rocket Bunny transkit and isn't that what this forum is for?

I wish EightyOne would throw in that little fret of photoetch with their transkit too, but perhaps they need to cover their licensing fee? At $15 those Bunny Rocket logos sure are expensive.

Price-wise at $102 ($87 transkit +$15 photoetch) with shipping included it is not significantly more expensive than HD. Shipping from Hong Kong to the US registered cost over $15, and HLJ would probably charge more from Japan. Judging from the pics the only thing missing from EightyOne's kit are the brake discs and radiator/intercooler faces, but you get an extra set of SSR mesh rims.

Agreed, but its a shame what HD is doing, and I have canceled my pre order, and would rather buy it from EightyOne, one of the things that I liked about the HD one was the wheel/tire options it came with, I cant stand the stretch wheel look , and dont really like the wheels that come with the EightyOne kit.

As for the P/E, thats not a big deal, I dont really care for P/E all that much

It's like most who comment here, I don't like how HD are copying parts from other (it sure looks like it), but did anyone took a look at eightyone parts for the S2000? the Mugen hood and hard top? They look identical to the old Scale Auto Style parts from a while ago. Even Chris, the ex-owner of SAS submit the point on Eightyone FB page.... I must admit that they offer to collaborate with Chris when he raised the flag tough...

HD might be the evil copy cat here but they are not the only one's doing it....

P.S. I don't have any relation with any of the companies mention above (HD, Eightyone or SAS) apart than being a customer.....

Agreed, but its a shame what HD is doing, and I have canceled my pre order, and would rather buy it from EightyOne, one of the things that I liked about the HD one was the wheel/tire options it came with, I cant stand the stretch wheel look , and dont really like the wheels that come with the EightyOne kit.

As for the P/E, thats not a big deal, I dont really care for P/E all that much

You can buy/put different wheels if you dont like it that came with the set. I seen other people put same rims like the picture of HD look pretty good.

You can buy/put different wheels if you dont like it that came with the set. I seen other people put same rims like the picture of HD look pretty good.

I know I can buy different wheels, that just adds to the cost , and I have a hard time spending $100 plus on a $30 model kit more, but thats just me.

Oh well :iceslolan

Does anyone know where I can get the 1/24 Enkei Rims for this kit? I am planning to get the 81 kit but don't like the rims that come with the kit. If anyone could help point me in the direction of a similar style of rim that would fit this Tamiya/81 kit.

Thanks

EDIT: Seems eightyone will be selling the Enkei Rims seperately.
http://www.eightyone81.com/rm007-enkei-rs05rr-rimset/

Does anyone know where I can get the 1/24 Enkei Rims for this kit? I am planning to get the 81 kit but don't like the rims that come with the kit. If anyone could help point me in the direction of a similar style of rim that would fit this Tamiya/81 kit.

Thanks

EDIT: Seems eightyone will be selling the Enkei Rims seperately.
http://www.eightyone81.com/rm007-enkei-rs05rr-rimset/
You might also want to look at wheel sets from Aoshima and Fujimi. I would take styrene wheels over resin any day.

If I were you, go for HD one. Is way better than Factory 81, and if you still want the factory 81, I got a friend willing to let it go. And in case you didn't go to classified thread, I letting go Factory 81 Bensopra GT-R too... I will never buy another Factory 81 kit...

I not sure how many of your Factory 81 Bensopra share the same faith as mine... this is the stuff that I can't accept especially with expensive price tag on it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/Rtuned/Review%20on%20scale%20car/bansopra4_zps39dad188.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Rtuned/media/Review%20on%20scale%20car/bansopra4_zps39dad188.jpg.html)

:mad: I want my money back! Come to their new LB Lamborghini, hope is better or it will never improve. As for me, I rather save my money on HD Lamborghini LP670-4 SV full kit. cheer...

If I were you, go for HD one. Is way better than Factory 81, and if you still want the factory 81, I got a friend willing to let it go. And in case you didn't go to classified thread, I letting go Factory 81 Bensopra GT-R too... I will never buy another Factory 81 kit...

I not sure how many of your Factory 81 Bensopra share the same faith as mine... this is the stuff that I can't accept especially with expensive price tag on it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/Rtuned/Review%20on%20scale%20car/bansopra4_zps39dad188.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Rtuned/media/Review%20on%20scale%20car/bansopra4_zps39dad188.jpg.html)

:mad: I want my money back! Come to their new LB Lamborghini, hope is better or it will never improve. As for me, I rather save my money on HD Lamborghini LP670-4 SV full kit. cheer...


Mine share the same faith with yours, i guess we both get the same batch.

I want my money back! Come to their new LB Lamborghini, hope is better or it will never improve. As for me, I rather save my money on HD Lamborghini LP670-4 SV full kit. cheer...
Did you ask for an exchange? AFAIK they outsource their casting, maybe they missed that batch.

Okay now I'm more confused. Everybody said that 81 has better quality and etc. than HD. Now other person says HD is better than 81. Be more specific and explain why so I can understand better. Stop throwing off guys.

I know a lot of members love Factory 81 and hate HD just because some bad experience with their inaccurate transkit. I do have bad experience too, like their SLR722GT, or even the R35 GT-R open door transkit, or Audi R8GT. But they indeed improve by listening to customers. Upgrading their skill in built, not perfect, we are the modelers and I have to say their nothing is perfect in scale modeling, that's what make us keep improving our skill.

Even the worst HD conversion kit does come with some decent resin kit, photo-etch set, decals and the most important thing - instruction sheet.

Factory 81 Bensopra GT-R kit - when I got this kit, I was so happy to see it on my hand, and when I opened it...my disappointment drop all the down to the floor. This so called resin is a poly-resin with bad quality casting. (this type of yellowish, translucent resin was original for prototyping. It is very hard, and easily break apart.) Then there is a bag of engine parts that originally cast from Aoshima engine, with lots of flaw but this time, this engine parts was cast in high cast grey resin. Now, why does small parts can cast in high cast resin and the body can't? Worst parts should be this... there is no instruction sheet provided. I email my seller, they told me there wasn't a instruction sheet... WTF! The picture had show you the 'don't give a shit' attitude to buyers... those completely off parts should never process casting.

Stock R35 GT-R run in 20 inch wheels, and this only provided a 19 inch that cast originally from Aoshima wheel and the disc rotor is obviously belong to Tamiya. HD WALD R35 GT-R conversion set come with a 21 inch wheels... and is so much better than this.

I only able to say luck is not on my side when I bought this set. I don't blame the 3rd party shop as I believe they also suffer, pain in the @ss to sell it too. My friend PM them in their FB page asking why his set doesn't come with decal, and the reply is "decal sold separately." When I ask my friend what is the number on his box, he told #52/200 where mine is #55/200, but with a decal inside. I not here to upset anyone still got high faith in Factory 81, I just hope Factory 81 could really improve their skill before sending out to sale. Is really unfair to buyers to pay top dollars for crap, and I do believe there are lots of them which have the same faith as me, bought it but disappointed, walk away in silent...hope to forget about it in time.

Just my point of view, or maybe I just a noob in such advance conversion kit.

Did you ask for an exchange? AFAIK they outsource their casting, maybe they missed that batch.
I PM them in FB, they only said "thank you." :banghead::banghead:

Well I don't have the R35 transkit so I can't speak for it. I do have the 86 transkit, just received it last week, and I am very happy with it.

The body parts are cast in white resin, not the same stuff they use for the intercoolers and wheels. It's not brittle, in fact it is on the soft and flexible side, and is definitely workable. The casting is crisp and clean, with no bubbles or pinholes, and minimal flash. Fitment of the parts is good, they require minimal cleanup, and fits nicely to the contour of the body.

Don't really care for the TE37 they included, they are nicely cast but totally wrong for the car, but the SSR mesh are great. Probably better to make the wheels and tires optional and reduce the price a little.

No instruction sheet, but then it is not too hard to figure out how and where the parts go, it is a rather straight forward kit. The only tricky part is the need to have the fenders trimmed around the edge to fit the flares, which I will touch on later.

There is definitely room for improvement. The casting tabs on the fender flares are my biggest issue. They are not easy to remove, I don't know if it is production consideration but they have them at the thinnest edges of the parts, and the tabs are far thicker than the body parts they attach to. You will have to plan ahead how to cut them off without damaging the fender edge, not hard, but not convenient either. Having them on the inside edge of the wheel arches and thinner than their attachment points would be much easier to cut off. A template for trimming off the kit fenders would also be nice. There is a post with pictures on their Facebook on how to cut off part of the fenders to fit the flares, but no mention of it in their kit. One should be able to figure that out during the dry fit stage, but an instruction sheet would be very helpful.

I am willing to cut them some slacks as they are a very new company, they started operating from last October? They are bound to make some mistakes. I think most of their QC problems stem from the outsourcing of their casting, particularly with their earlier releases; they seem to have it under control now. The other issues on this particular kit are minor, and overall it is nicely done and does not exhibit those problems as seen on the R35 kit above. As for the copying of parts, I guess they have learned their lesson, and I'd expect them to design all their parts themselves as they move forward.

lack of decals and instruction sheet? good one, LOL (read TOO BAD)
All this you payed......how much?

I PM them in FB, they only said "thank you." :banghead::banghead:
I'll probably tell them how badly those parts are reflecting on their reputation, they should be able to work something out. They seem to be reasonable people, it's probably just the language barrier. It might take a couple tries to make it clear across.

It's like most who comment here, I don't like how HD are copying parts from other (it sure looks like it), but did anyone took a look at eightyone parts for the S2000? the Mugen hood and hard top? They look identical to the old Scale Auto Style parts from a while ago. Even Chris, the ex-owner of SAS submit the point on Eightyone FB page.... I must admit that they offer to collaborate with Chris when he raised the flag tough...

HD might be the evil copy cat here but they are not the only one's ....

:iagree:

On a diff topic did anyone get the hd 350 and 370z tkits? If so what is quality like and fitment. Got my eye on the 350 votex i think it is.

So let me see if I am understanding this, people are calling out HD for not licensing their 81 RB kit and saying they copied 81, while 81 has copied parts too?

Now I am not sure which RB transkit to buy

I have the Factory 81 Rocket Bunny 86 kit, and I've placed an order for the HD version. Will compare the two when I have both in hand.

The Factory 81 kit is not perfect, refer to Rtuned's post above. The "Rising sun" photo etched GT wing parts are sold separately at $15USD http://www.eightyone81.com/pe001-rocket-bunny-logo-pe/ I didn't feel like paying yet another $15 for a small piece of photo-etched after paying $86.99 for a transkit, when it should be included in the first place. As for the rims, the popular choice for Rocket Bunny kitted 86 in 1:1 is the Enkei RS05RR, which Factory 81 also sells separately for $15 on facebook, not their website http://www.eightyone81.com/rm007-enkei-rs05rr-rimset/. I bought a set... kind of regretting now, because HD's transkit comes with these rims.

Both kits are not perfect. I probably will end up merging the two kits to build one car just so everything is as near correct as possible.

Hello, sorry, i just want to post some picture of the Bensopra kit, no hard feelings, all we want in the 1st place is that we hope can give 81 a chance to improve. when thy announce they release the Bensopra kit, i was very glad. And thought of order 2 set incase it out of production. Lucky my friend stop me and reminded me that they are still new and so far, no actual product review on the net yet and all the picture we seen are all prototype or completed model. They really made a great move. so far they are the only one release the Bensopra transkit. Really sorry if I gave you guys misunderstanding.

Here are the picture. which I really not satisfied bout it. The inner part of the shell, not clean at all, although it cant be seen, but i actually want to mod this into workable door. but the resin is very thick and uneven. i cant even fit in the HD door transkit. I dont have electric tool that can clean this up fast. what i use is 100grit sandpaper to sand it till the thickness i want. and it is not easy.
http://imageshack.us/a/img199/9437/dsc0503xa.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img202/9690/dsc0502tj.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img594/3990/dsc0501s.jpg

The hood, very thin. really dont have much resin for me to sand it smooth unless i cover with putty again and sand.
http://imageshack.us/a/img545/7453/dsc0505v.jpg

the body detail, very shallow, i believe after few layer of primer, paint and clear coat, those detail wont be as sharp anymore.
http://imageshack.us/a/img29/9/dsc0504d.jpg

they can clean up the inner part of their master or prototype before making the mold with it. at least the product looks more clean and tidy. another good thing is they can save more resin aswell, both the door area are not thin. "Rtuned" should realized it. those extra thickness of resin can even case a few rims or some small parts i think.

lack of decals and instruction sheet? good one, LOL (read TOO BAD)
All this you payed......how much?

I pay $200usd on it. Now you know how painful I'm. :headshake

I pay $200usd on it. Now you know how painful I'm. :headshake

Did it include shipping fee?

Going to be honest, after reading the last few pages, I am regretting canceling my pre order for HD version, I really want to support 81, but I cant just do it right now, I dont see it being a wise investment right now.

Going to be honest, after reading the last few pages, I am regretting canceling my pre order for HD version, I really want to support 81, but I cant just do it right now, I dont see it being a wise investment right now.

Just wait for now. The other guy gonna compare what the big difference of 81 and HD and see if both are scale or off-scale and how the quality and their strength. So we just gonna wait and find out about it.

Just wait for now. The other guy gonna compare what the big difference of 81 and HD and see if both are scale or off-scale and how the quality and their strength. So we just gonna wait and find out about it.

I am looking at it from a cost stand point too, and what you get for the money, and that can go both ways, the HD kit could be bad just like some of the ones that have come from 81.

Here are the picture. which I really not satisfied bout it. The inner part of the shell, not clean at all, although it cant be seen, but i actually want to mod this into workable door. but the resin is very thick and uneven. i cant even fit in the HD door transkit. I dont have electric tool that can clean this up fast. what i use is 100grit sandpaper to sand it till the thickness i want. and it is not easy.

Unless they specifically advertised it as "can be made to have opening doors" I wouldn't hold them against that. If they cast a large, curved area like a body side thin the risk of warping increases dramatically.

I don't think even master casters like MFH or Studio 27 make side wall that thin. The only resin caster I have done business with that can pull off that kind of overall thickness is Norm from RMCM, and it is for smaller and simpler 32 ford bodies.

There is one R35 WIP in their Facebook page with opening doors that looks thin enough, maybe you can ask them how they did it or if the newer release has thinner walls.

Other than that the casting looks decent enough. The misshapen part Rtuned posted is unacceptable though, I would definitely demand an exchange if it happens to me.

I pay $200usd on it. Now you know how painful I'm. :headshake
The kit is listed on their web site at US$138.99 with shipping included, why did you pay that much?

Did it include shipping fee?

$175usd for the conversion kit, and around $25usd for postage. Thailand to Singapore is not far. Singapore neighbor is Malaysia, and upward is Thailand...get the point, I hope.

That's is for me, and I try to forget the pain right now. I not only support first time brand, I got APM 599XX EVO today too, it look great except lot of cleaning to do, but at least still can work. I rest my case here...

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Hello, sorry, i just want to post some picture of the Bensopra kit, no hard feelings, all we want in the 1st place is that we hope can give 81 a chance to improve. when thy announce they release the Bensopra kit, i was very glad. And thought of order 2 set incase it out of production. Lucky my friend stop me and reminded me that they are still new and so far, no actual product review on the net yet and all the picture we seen are all prototype or completed model. They really made a great move. so far they are the only one release the Bensopra transkit. Really sorry if I gave you guys misunderstanding.

Here are the picture. which I really not satisfied bout it. The inner part of the shell, not clean at all, although it cant be seen, but i actually want to mod this into workable door. but the resin is very thick and uneven. i cant even fit in the HD door transkit. I dont have electric tool that can clean this up fast. what i use is 100grit sandpaper to sand it till the thickness i want. and it is not easy.
http://imageshack.us/a/img199/9437/dsc0503xa.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img202/9690/dsc0502tj.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img594/3990/dsc0501s.jpg

The hood, very thin. really dont have much resin for me to sand it smooth unless i cover with putty again and sand.
http://imageshack.us/a/img545/7453/dsc0505v.jpg

the body detail, very shallow, i believe after few layer of primer, paint and clear coat, those detail wont be as sharp anymore.
http://imageshack.us/a/img29/9/dsc0504d.jpg

they can clean up the inner part of their master or prototype before making the mold with it. at least the product looks more clean and tidy. another good thing is they can save more resin aswell, both the door area are not thin. "Rtuned" should realized it. those extra thickness of resin can even case a few rims or some small parts i think.

So you want to support them and buy their products, but then complain when something isnt right. Well do you complain about aoshima or tamiya or fujimi when something isnt perfect? and if you're going to open the doors up, that takes some skill i would think you could handle a little resin build up. :2cents:

As promised, I've purchased both kits and did a detail comparison
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1089530

http://img142.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20130518/09/65994856201305180920119259592812880_010.jpg

What the heck? Whats going on with that motor, and why are there two alternators? (The HD looks good v that Tamiya lump though.)