another N2O ? for my 7th gen

ok ok heres what im am planning to setup my 7th gen..

100-150 shot of NOS
forged pistons
eagle rods

currently i have..

aem cold air intake
custom headers 421, 2.5 piping, mufllers
V-afc(no use I know..just wnted it:cool: )

...thats about it. my question is do you think it will hold up? anymore suggestion that i should get or parts that i should upgrade would be great! thanks!

dont know much about nos but for sure you'll need a faster fuel pump and larger fuel injectors

Sounds good as far as bottom end prep goes. Now you need to work on the most important part of a nitrous setup. You FUEL SYSTEM.
Not familiar with your cars specs specifically, but you're probably going to want to upgrade your injectors, fuel pump, fuel rails, ignition and you're also going to want to look into some sort of tuning. Rather it be on a dyno or at home. To get the most out of a larger n2o shot you need tuning time.

if you're goona reinforce the bottom end why not just go turbo:confused:

Learn as much about nitrous oxide as you can before using it. There are many good books to provide proper information.

Engine managment would be a good idea after a 100 shot.

You will require larger injectors and a walbro 255lph pump. It's just intelligent. If you don't upgrade those, you will run lean, your motor will die.

if you're goona reinforce the bottom end why not just go turbo

even better, why not go turbo & nitrous?

Originally posted by jackasssi


even better, why not go turbo & nitrous?

Yeah baby! Turbo and juice is the shit!:bigthumb:

I know this has nothing to do with this, but . . . .has anyone ever seen the land speed record semi's? The unlimited classes use twin superchargers & quad turbos with intercooler/aftercoolers. :bigthumb: :bigthumb: :bigthumb: :bigthumb: :bigthumb: :bigthumb: :bigthumb: :bigthumb: :bigthumb: :bigthumb: :bigthumb:

Originally posted by Cronic
Engine managment would be a good idea after a 100 shot.

You will require larger injectors and a walbro 255lph pump. It's just intelligent. If you don't upgrade those, you will run lean, your motor will die.

for a dry shot even for a 30 shot you'll need engine management....fortunatelly most dry systems come with some form of piggyback that will force more fuel in....the stock ecu will never be enough(inless reflashed)



Originally posted by PWMAN


Yeah baby! Turbo and juice is the shit!:bigthumb:


i agee

100-150 that's pushing it........i got a stock motor and squeezing 50 shot . wet system .......the most i could squeeze with the stock motor is 75 shot . but since you're reinforcing the internals . you should be ok. just do your research and think about the rest of the engine.............aloha!

just a reminder , you cannot squeeze a dry system on your 2001 civic.

Originally posted by 2001 civic n2o
just a reminder , you cannot squeeze a dry system on your 2001 civic.

Why not?

Originally posted by PWMAN


Why not?

yeah why not:feedback:

Originally posted by Neutrino



i agee
The 240cc injectors can safely compensate for a 55 DRY shot. No need for engine managment if your not going larger.

If your going any bigger please get a wet kit. as it will supply the fuel needed IF it can, meaning IF your pump and injectors can supply the needed fuel. So upgrade if your going bigger.

If you go with a wet kit then get a FPR and a 255lph pump can't hert either. And with the 100-150 hp shots you are wanting I would have to recomend a direct port wet kit it will be by far the safest way to keep your motor intact. Also learn how to read plugs and tune the car with the FPR and by changing fuel jets to get the right A/F ratio, sometimes the #'s that say NOS gives you will be a safe number for all applications and you may need to run alittle richer or leaner so you need to do as much research as possible b/c with a 150hp shot things can go bad very quick, even with small errors.

ok direct port it is..

whats an FPR?

I read somewhere that my intake manifold wont take it cause its plastic..when it backfire it will break. is it true? if it breaks what other part could be damaged?

if it does.. what can i do to prevent this?

Thanks guys!!!

On second thought, a 100 shot is insanity to run w/o some type of managment... if your putting money into rods and such, please save them from destruction with Hondata. (www.hondata.com) Hondata now supports n2o tuning. Will cost you about 500 bucks.

Originally posted by detoX
ok direct port it is..

whats an FPR?

I read somewhere that my intake manifold wont take it cause its plastic..when it backfire it will break. is it true? if it breaks what other part could be damaged?

if it does.. what can i do to prevent this?

Thanks guys!!!

FPR= Fuel Pressure Regulator. And I don't see any reason for hondata if he is running a wet direct port kit b/c the fuel is regulated by the jetting, what is your reasoning behind this, and no I am not ring to start another argument. A progressive controller like Jacobs nitrous mastermind or one from NOS would be a good idea for traction purposes. I personally have the nitrous mastermind and i like ot alot but I have nothing to compare it to except not having a progressive controller at all. I think the nitrous matermind is better though because you have so much control over everythig, it comes with a hobs switch (fuel pressure safety switch), and you can fine tune the fuel solenoid on the unit, also you can set a the timming to automatically retard when the nitrous is engauged and you can set the rev limiter and set the nitrous start rpm and stop rpm and it adjusts nitrous flow to rpm nd not time based, it works really great, you can get alot more traction with this product and it helps to reduce the sudden hit of power and torque on your drivetrain.

You will always get more power from tuning.

Considering the cost of all that extra stuff, a 100/150 dry shot, + Hondata and tuning would be cheaper.
Even if your fuel is regulated by the pills, it still may not be enough, or may be too much, causing you to lose power, or worse, blow the motor.

100 shot is no little pill on a Honda motor. Anything above 55 I say go wet, anything above 80, I say Hondata, Strictly my opinion of course. You WILL as a fact, make more power with Hondata.

read somewhere that my intake manifold wont take it cause its plastic..when it backfire it will break. is it true? if it breaks what other part could be damaged?

Your intake wont be the only thing breaking . . . .You can prevent this by using Nitrous properly.

I haven't actually looked at a D17 motor... but... plastic intake manifold? That sounds a little wrong. Jesus... Honda might be goin a lil' overboard on this weight reduction thing... and how do they keep it from warping?

I think he maybe talking about the intake pipe b/c an plastic intake manifold would not work very well. If you are doing a direct port kit then the nitrous nossles will be in the intake manifold and not the intake pipe. And yes if you don't use a single fogger nossle kit right then you will have the chance of a nitrous back fire and it will probably blow your intake pipe right off the motor. But running the right timming settings and using the nitrous at the right bottle pressures will prevent this from happening.

Good Kill :thumbup:

this is reply to those of you who wants to know why you cant squeeze dry system on 01 civic. i almost tried to hook it up , good thing i read the installation inst. first then contacted NOS tech support and i was told that i cant squeeze dry. i think it's because the dry system monitors the fuel pressure from FPR(fuel pressure regulator ) to find out how much nos should go to the engine. FPR on 01 civic is mounted on the gas tank ............INTAKE MANIFOLD what you heard was true . the 01 civic got plastic intake manifold.......

Originally posted by 2001 civic n2o
this is reply to those of you who wants to know why you cant squeeze dry system on 01 civic. i almost tried to hook it up , good thing i read the installation inst. first then contacted NOS tech support and i was told that i cant squeeze dry. i think it's because the dry system monitors the fuel pressure from FPR(fuel pressure regulator ) to find out how much nos should go to the engine. FPR on 01 civic is mounted on the gas tank ............INTAKE MANIFOLD what you heard was true . the 01 civic got plastic intake manifold.......




what? but a wet system would work ryt?

i've tried a dry(50 shot) before it works..but its slowwwwww. i hope when i use a wet system it wont be like that..would it?:confused:

A 50 shot is a very small shot. It's not exactly 50hp.
More like 35+.
Im still not sure what this guy's talkin about, Im gonna have to goto Hondaland or something and check out a new Civic's IM and be sure.
A direct port would work fine. A wet kit wouldn't make anymore hp, and be pretty useless @ such a small pill.
Try goin with a 75 wet shot.

Originally posted by detoX
ok direct port it is..

whats an FPR?

I read somewhere that my intake manifold wont take it cause its plastic..when it backfire it will break. is it true? if it breaks what other part could be damaged?

if it does.. what can i do to prevent this?

Thanks guys!!!
Do yourself a favor man, don't install nitrous on your car. You don't sound like you know what you're doing and you haven't done any research on the product you're installing. SERIOUS tuning needs done for a 100 shot, and a 150 shot is almost unheard of on civics. For a 65-75 shot you'll need a lot more than these other morons are talking about.

A new fuel pump is a definite must-have for any nitrous use. Injectors and a fuel rail will help, but they aren't necessary. DO NOT buy an aftermarket fpr (fuel pressure regulator), trust me the stock one rules. Other's come with a weak diaphram and will tear on the inside when the fuel pressure raises a bit high while spraying, and that will equal bad things man. The rods and pistons are a good addition. I believe for nos you should retard your ignition timing 1-2 degrees per every 50hp in your shot, but a lot of people argue that. ZEX recommends retarding your timing 2 degrees per every 10 hp, starting with 65, then negative 4 degrees at 75, etc. You will need new spark plugs, and don't get the iridium shit. NGK makes plugs two steps colder than normal ones, called BKR7E's. While spraying it gets hot in the combustion chamber, but with these not too hot. Start out with a 50 shot and move your way up from there, working with any minor problems before blasting a 100 shot.

yea..dont know that much dude, but i have a machanic that is good..i think, they have a 10.70 car..so i think he knows something, they mainly make custom turbos but N2O on a larger scale i think not, and i think 7th gens are a little diffrent so thats why im askin you guys. so basically all the info i get from you guys i tell him like the plastic intake manifold..thank god i knew that one before i got the N2O(backfire).

so..this is what i should get so far from you guys to have the 100 shot :
fuel pump (have a v-afc so i think that'll help for making it run rich ryt?)
injector (240cc..is that ok?)
pistons n rods
direct port
custom intake manifold
retard timming (how do you retard the timming..with a cam gear?)
Jacobs nitrous mastermind (have to find out how i can get that..:frown: )

Originally posted by detoX
retard timming (how do you retard the timming..with a cam gear?)
sigh...
With the distributor, you have to twist it and use a timing light... ask the mechanic to retard your ignition timing for as much as he feels it should be, but go 2-4 degrees. Also, DON'T FORGET SPARK PLUGS. Make sure you get NGK BKR7E's (www.lakeeffectperformance.com). If you get a regular heat-ranged plug they will melt from being too hot in the combustion chamber. That will mean no spark and you'll get a cylinder full of nitrous and gas, and that could either backfire blowing your intake, or go out your exhaust in flames causing other damage. Check your plugs every week or two to make sure they look alright.

a 2001 civic dosnt have a distributor ryt?

hrmm.. no idea. I've never looked under the hood of one so I can't help you there, but I'm sure the mechanic will know what to do if he's good.

maannnn, my advise to you is buy the damn tech manual for your car . there's two of them one electrical and one mechanical . buy both , they run about $80 for one and $40 for the other . wells something like that . i know i paid hundred something , i think $120 for both . go to the dealer and ask them for the number where to buy it . i don't have the # with me. READ!! that shit it will help you alot . even a little speaker wire i couldn't hook up co'z i wasn't sure of which is - or + .........regarding on the n2o ??? yes thats right 50 shot will only give you 35hp only if your bottle pressure is below 1000psi . bottle pressure matters alot.....and the 01 civic does not have distributor , it doesnt even have spark plug wires . it's got direct fire ignition which is real good.................gotta jet ..........aloha!!!

thanks guys..

whtteg!

how much is the Jacobs Nitrous Mastermind ?

I paid $100 for it from someone here who bought it and never hooked it up, he decided to go turbo. I think they list for around $150- 200. Not sure though. Summit racing price is $224, but make sure you get the 383456 model, the others won't work on 4cyl. Also in order to have the rev limiter and timming retard you have to have an aftermarket ignition system. If you need any help just pm me.

thanks a million whtteg.:biggrin: but i still have a problem on how i can get it..i way way way too far from there, i dont think they would ship this far..you think?:smile: thanks again dude..

I almost forgot! do you think it would work on a 2001 civic? i mean cause it has no distributor even high tension wires, and about the aftermarket ignition system..what do you recommend that would work on a 2001 civic?
thanks again..:smile:

Originally posted by detoX
I almost forgot! do you think it would work on a 2001 civic? i mean cause it has no distributor even high tension wires, and about the aftermarket ignition system..what do you recommend that would work on a 2001 civic?
thanks again..:smile:

I'm sorry to say that i know very little about the 2001 civic, I had no idea that it had direct ignition. I'm not sure but I know ACCEL makes an ignition kit for nissans with the direct ignition so try looking there for an ignition system. I also found this but I don't think it will help you unless you are going to run anything bigger than a 60hp shot. ignition (http://www.ignitionsolutions.com/media/installations/honda_civic_2001/)