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97 2.2 timing chain and components?


comet240
09-09-2012, 08:09 PM
hi i finnally got the oil pan off well not really its hanging i guess u gotta take the exhaust off to get pan off
but i got the timing cover off

and broken parts fell out other then the chain

there looks to be plastic broken off the lower part of this and there is like a metal pin in the plastic side ways

is there a kit to put a new whatever its called in?

is there steps on how to get the chain back on etc
i need a break down or something
this is really a sunfire engine but since no one really replys in sunfire and the cav uses the same engine i hope its all the same

also i need to take off the sprockets i guess is there a pin or something to lock the gears so i can un tighten nuts or whats the trick for that

comet240
09-09-2012, 09:54 PM
i found out that the part is the tensioner thats broken

so once i get a new on of those

i also got a timing chain but it says 2004 is that ok do they all use the same chain?

so what are the steps do u need to pull the gears off? do they come off easily?

and how do u line up the gears where you set them?

gmtech1
09-09-2012, 10:42 PM
Just a suggestion, but you may want to look for a Haynes manual for some guidence. You are gonna want to be sure to get this repair done right or you could create more problems. Parts stores usually sell the manuals, or check the library!

comet240
09-10-2012, 07:54 AM
i have a manual i just miss placed it ugh

i guess no one has the hayes for 97 -2004 sunf/cav book that could for now type out what says for lining it up or what not?

i gotta try to order the tensioner now so gives me time to look for book more too

gmtech1
09-10-2012, 08:45 AM
^ Tool Required - J 5590 Crankshaft (http://collision.alldata.com/alldata/zWindow.html?node_26452_55_0_0_) Gear Installer, or equivalent.

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1. Install the crankshaft sprocket using crankshaft gear installer. Make sure that the crankshaft sprocket is seated against the crankshaft.
2. Install the timing chain (http://collision.alldata.com/alldata/zWindow.html?node_26452_57_0_0_) and install the timing chain tensioner (http://collision.alldata.com/alldata/zWindow.html?node_26452_79_0_0_).

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3. Compress the timing chain tensioner spring.
4. Insert a cotter pin or a nail into the hole in the tensioner to retain the timing chain tensioner shoe.

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5. Install the timing chain tensioner. Do not tighten the timing chain tensioner bolts.

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6. Align the crankshaft timing marks with the tab on the timing chain tensioner.
7. Align the camshaft (http://collision.alldata.com/alldata/zWindow.html?node_26452_56_0_0_) timing mark with the tab on the timing chain tensioner.
8. Install the camshaft sprocket and install the timing chain. Tighten the timing chain tensioner bolts to 24 Nm (18 ft. lbs.). Tighten the camshaft sprocket bolt to 130 Nm (96 ft. lbs.).

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9. Remove the cotter pin or nail from the hole in the timing chain tensioner.
10. Install the engine front cover (http://collision.alldata.com/alldata/zWindow.html?node_26452_2116_0_0_). Tighten the engine front cover bolts to 11 Nm (97 inch lbs.).

Hope this will help!

comet240
09-10-2012, 09:01 AM
ya that will help better then what i had, where you get those pics and stuff or you have to be a member?

also i had read you put timing marks at 12:00 position but this works too

ill try that later today if i get the parts

now question i gguess i have to drop engine a bit as there is no way you can get a puller into the gear since the side wall is there

easier if i had a hosit at home LOL

guess i have to get a torch gauge too but helps i guess to tighten and loosen bolts screw driver in the gears

if you line then up like that could they not be off a bit? or is that ok

but ya helps ill have to go down to canadian tire see if they have the tensioner

comet240
09-10-2012, 09:09 AM
how tight you tighten the tensioner bolts ad where exactly on the tesnioner when i do get it you put a nail or pin

i going to see where to get a sprocket installer or crank shaft gear installer

and hope a claw puller is good enough

comet240
09-10-2012, 10:26 AM
ok so i cant get the part tensioner in till tommorow

but i wanted to know this crank shaft gear installer they couldnt find one

is that just a socket to bang the gear back on or what is it for?

also for getting new seals or is it gasket maker for timing case and oil pan
i not home at moment

comet240
09-11-2012, 01:35 PM
ok i stuck need help

1 the engine doesnt drop low enough to get a puller on the cam shaft gear what am i supposed to do? how do u pull it off?

2nd is my 3 claw puller can not get under the crankshaft gear

what puller do i need?

comet240
09-11-2012, 01:41 PM
also i trying to turn the cam shaft with a socket but it only turns some and then gets too hard to turn
why is it so hard? is that ok do i keep cranking i wanna line it up

comet240
09-11-2012, 01:57 PM
i pulled the spark plugs and i still cant turn the cam shaft let along be able to get the bolt off after

and there is no timing mark for the cam shaft i can see

comet240
09-11-2012, 04:38 PM
ok got the gears off finnally and i got the cam shaft gear to turn and poped in the spot for timing had to force it but she went

now i cant get that cup out? do u use a screw in that hole? or something

comet240
09-11-2012, 05:20 PM
broke off drill bit inside the oil cup plug put a screw and tried prying on the head but i cant get it out how the hell u get it out

Tech II
09-11-2012, 09:58 PM
Hope you didn't bend a valve rotating the cam by forcing it, because the crank shaft should have been 90 degrees left or right of timed position(this puts all the pistons at the halfway point).....

You never do a job like this without a manual, and you read it several times BEFORE you start the job....

comet240
09-11-2012, 11:15 PM
didnt matter where i put the crank shaft dot i rotated a few didnt postions and still couldnt turn the cam shaft

its lined up now so heres hopeing

razr_88
10-24-2012, 04:17 PM
the reason you couldn't turn the camshaft is because this is an interference engine, so you were likely pushing a valve into a piston... i hope you didn't do that too hard or you made more work for yourself

comet240
10-24-2012, 05:48 PM
well i had taken the head in and they told me when the engine blew the timing chain it bent the valves

3 intake valves were bent and an exhaust valve

the first cylinder had 0 compression

so i trying to get my cav running stupid anti theft is on and ill use parts from this sunfire on the cav same engine

as to have the head cleaned and the 4 vavles the gasket kit and i was told you need to replace the bolts as the head bolts are only good 1 time, so it would cost me 550 bucks

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