untitled- Mk1

Yes untitled, since I lost minutes trying to get a name.....
I'll try to give you one idea of what I have in mind......

It would be something like a '20 boardtracker, speaking of general appeal, but it would be built on a softail frame (call it shortcut.... but the frame is... nice... :D)

The engine is the stock 80 inches evo but I want to use shovel heads over.

The "main topic" however, is another: my first laced rims.

A couple inspirational shots: it would be a mix of the following with some "gio"'s touches

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/neno1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/drag1.jpg

(images taken from Lowride 4 and5/2009 just for discussion)

Like other times I started design and etching few special parts

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/boardtracker/DSC_0602.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/boardtracker/DSC_0603.jpg

My ita friend Disca asked me what was those squashed seagull bird in the PE set...

it is my fuel tank!

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/boardtracker/DSC_0606.jpg

Now one accurate brazing job wait me.

Time to speak about my rims odissey... I started with resin turned rims.... they worked well until I discovered that I got 40 spokes and 38 holes..... dammn gio... maths is not my better side....

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/boardtracker/DSC_0633.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/boardtracker/DSC_0637.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/boardtracker/DSC_0644.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/boardtracker/DSC_0646.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/boardtracker/DSC_0647.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/boardtracker/DSC_0648.jpg

Time for the battle, I decided for the heavy way... get alu rims! (7075 ergal to be fine...)

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/boardtracker/DSC_0654.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/boardtracker/DSC_0658.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/boardtracker/DSC_0656.jpg

My lathe wasn't enthusiast to work with those huge parts... but at last it worked decently....

All I needed then was a million nipples (most tedious job I done ever), drill and to enlace spokes (nipples done with syringe bits cutted and filed, spokes with 0.36 plain steel chors for guitar)

and so.... ladies and gentlemen I'll introduce you my first scratchbuilt latched wheel....

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0661.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0662.jpg

it work better now uh?

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0663.jpg

I guess I would be busy next months... million latched wheels to do for my ducatis, guzzi, harley..... indians... :D

stay tuned!

My word... I just love your style of keeping trying new stuff, which makes you... young... Great work buddy, as always~

:eek2: outstanding job:eek2:

Thanks guys! Said by you two badass has double value! ;)

I am speechless - photoetched tank, lacing... great work.

Could you tell me what lathe did u use for turning the aluminum rim? I am in the process of buying one for exactly the same purpose - custom parts for model cars/bikes, specially turning wheels/rims. I was thinking about Sherline lathe.

Ask to Andy/MPWR about the sherline: he uses one. As far I'm aware about it is fantastic stuff. It is also not cheap but for us overseas guys may be a good choice with decent $/€ rates, I'm thinking by ages about a Sherline CNC mill.

BTW I have a Einhell lathe, it is a classic chinese minilathe (search minilathe on google...) only a little better assembled, not enough to do decent jobs: you have to completely rebuild adjusting sliding surfaces and tolerances. BTW I think the most important things are good sharp cutting blades and the sensitivity on your hand to know when the lathe/material/knife combo is working bad due height adj. or other factors.

To fill rims isn't the easiest option: you have to fill "inside" and this way ask even more by you... and you must to fill keeping the bar/tube with the chuck fingers, so you keep just a small lenght of the tube.... not safe job for novices, better "take hand" filling small diameters inside the chuck before....

I think the Sherline lathe (they offer several) is small and good for small parts, but ask Andy and sure he'll give advice, or take a visit to the machining area here on AF.

Sorry for rude english.... I type quiccccckkkkkkkkk!

Fantastic job as ever Gio!

Hope you don't mind, but I am going to be critical about the rims! They seem to be suffering from 'chatter' were the cutting tool bounces across the metal and creates a pattern. I am guessing it may be because you are using the long cutting edge of the tool flat against the metal?

If that is the case, a good way to avoid this is to use the pointed tip of the tool and set the cross-slide saddle up at the angle of the cut eg. say 10 degrees of square for the rim edges. This will allow you to cut the angle cleanly with the tool tip. I know it's a real arse to set up when doing difficult profiles like rims, but the results are really worth it.

Forgive me if you know this already, but I thought it may also help other modellers wanting to do rims on a lathe! :p

Fantastic job as ever Gio!

Hope you don't mind, but I am going to be critical about the rims! They seem to be suffering from 'chatter' were the cutting tool bounces across the metal and creates a pattern. I am guessing it may be because you are using the long cutting edge of the tool flat against the metal?

If that is the case, a good way to avoid this is to use the pointed tip of the tool and set the cross-slide saddle up at the angle of the cut eg. say 10 degrees of square for the rim edges. This will allow you to cut the angle cleanly with the tool tip. I know it's a real arse to set up when doing difficult profiles like rims, but the results are really worth it.

Forgive me if you know this already, but I thought it may also help other modellers wanting to do rims on a lathe! :p

Thanks man: TBH I know the stuff but also that is annoyng unmount the upper tower to rotate the saddle :D, but I agree: it worth!
For this time I was too much excited to try the whole work steps, from the rims filling to the strokes and nipples preps. up to the stroke latching, next time would be good to do few rims more so I'll rotate the saddle to achieve the angled filling, with the same angle for several rims.... ;)

Thanks!

Great idea doing multiple rims in steps as it really is a pain to adjust the saddle each time! One thing that helps me is to draw a cross-section of the rim first, then make a list of the basic angles needed for each edge cut - makes setting up quicker.

If you need a source for stainless steel spokes, or tubes (0.1mm increments) let me know - I've found a great stockist in the UK at last! :wink:

Incredible, I really enjoy your builds. It's always an adventure watching you put something together. The rim is amazing, I look forward to more of this art piece.

Thanks Les, your post are ever motivating ;)

Cinq. you've got a PM, obviously :D !!!! :D

Thanks Les, your post are ever motivating ;)

Cinq. you've got a PM, obviously :D !!!! :D

G, I didn't get the PM message - my account PM doesn't always work here.

Here is the website:

http://www.kcsm.co.uk/

They're very helpful and well priced. I got enough tubes and wires to do around ten 1/6th bike wheels (about 25 Euros). All I need is the time to make them now!

Tell them I sent you!:wink:

Their WS work in a strange way: btw at last I was able to lurke the pdf list: I wanted to ask, when they write "soft" does they meant the kind of tubes sold by Steve, those "really" soft that you may bend like solder or a softer "ever hard" kind of steel that can't be bent so easily? :D
This may looks odd but... it's important ;)

BTW Thanks a lot I'll place a order and try ;) the assortment is just impressive....

Their WS work in a strange way: btw at last I was able to lurke the pdf list: I wanted to ask, when they write "soft" does they meant the kind of tubes sold by Steve, those "really" soft that you may bend like solder or a softer "ever hard" kind of steel that can't be bent so easily? :D
This may looks odd but... it's important ;)

BTW Thanks a lot I'll place a order and try ;) the assortment is just impressive....

Their website is a bit dodgy at times! Not sure about the soft stuff and wondered if it was the same too, as I've only ordered the hard stuff, so far. The hard 0.7mm x 300mm wire I've used for spokes will bend at a sharp 90 degrees very nicely - especially with good quality square shouldered jewellers pliers. If you not got any, buy some pliers with a 'box joint' hinge - they last much longer!

Good luck!

Hi fellows modelers

I have some progress to show, better I leave room to pictures since I lost the few wroten english I got being far from the AF!

Cinqster: I found all I hoped on those online shop.... and much more :D, also fantastic/friendly service and not expencive, not at all, at last.

parts/components:

we got a pair of shoes, finally

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0679.jpg

... and some other little goodies:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0686.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0685.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0682.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0681.jpg

(secondary transmission belt is a old printer belt...

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0684.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0683.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0687.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0688.jpg

.. and for sure I would'n live without a wooden saddle...

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0691.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0689.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0690.jpg

I guess I may do one for my vintage bicycle.... LOL

very first tests:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0699.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0701.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0703-1.jpg

and a surprise.... you may warm up steel rods in roder to achieve.....

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0680.jpg

...more to come :D

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0706.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0716.jpg

time to think at the saddle mount:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0708.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0707.jpg

Yeah... now start to keep form: I'll add the "final" patina touch, in other words the character of the bike, as a final step, when I will see all the details together

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0715.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0713.jpg

Verrry first run, like the in the better garages, one illegal test without any license, brakes, exaust.....

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0719_zps570778e6.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0718_zps943c222c.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0721_zps46f86493.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0720_zps01c653ba.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0722_zps789c6ec0.jpg

And finally last touches:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0772-1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0773-1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0771-1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0770-1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0769-1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0774.jpg

thanks guys, see you soon ;) ... more wood to turn in the lathe :D

Very cool Gio, very cool.

Bellissimo G-man! Jaw firmly on the floor mate!:tongue:

You should send those pics to Russ Mitchell!

Thanks guys,

I guess Russ' would ask me rights for brand's usage LOL!!!

Hi Gio,
This looks terrific! You've mastered all of the elements of modeling and it shows.
Great work!

Very nice Gio!

Thanks a lot my old friends!

@ Rob: I got good masters doing steps ahead on the learning curve: I clearly remember a certain akai YZR with its huge turned shock absorber and a kind 935 with custom rims, several Andy's stuff and many other contributors here on AF: I'm late to the party but I'm sure now or then old friends-masters would back in shape: modeling is a strange persistent sickness and wouldn't leave you in peace too long LOL!!!!

Very nice, great details and execution.

Finished!

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0791.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0792.jpg

More on the finished thread, hola hermanos

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=7004701#post7004701

Hi Gio,
This looks terrific! You've mastered all of the elements of modeling and it shows.
Great work!

It shows alright. Just when we see something we can't believe, you produce and show off a new skill and method achieving extreme realism. Good grief man, just build a real one! You are truly a master of magic. The finished pictures are incredible, no less then an actual full size custom made motorcycle.

Amazing bike!
I think I haven't seen yet so clean build custom.
Great job.

Amazing bike!
I think I haven't seen yet so clean build custom.
Great job.

Thanks a lot, too gentle!

It shows alright. Just when we see something we can't believe, you produce and show off a new skill and method achieving extreme realism. Good grief man, just build a real one! You are truly a master of magic. The finished pictures are incredible, no less then an actual full size custom made motorcycle.

Thanks a lot Les. TBH things are not like you paint in your suggestive vision: true, I know I've mastered several esothic skills like PE design and manufacturing and some machining skills, I get good result painting and I love the airbrush itself despite I have not your artistic skills: but there's a dark downside in the coin. I have ever faced new techniques and methods like a challange and I chosen each time a "mission impossible" to me: I forgot the easy stupid things, the basics of our hobby and my models shows also those. I hate to do wiring jobs, and my models shows it. I hate to ruin superb machined or etched, or even painted, components gluing 'em together, and I do it with 1/100000 of efforts invested producing 'em: again my models shows it.

It's self criticism, it's OK: since my goal was to invest time and money 100% on the "fun" side in opposition of the boredom, pain, constancy asked by "the quality's God", well at last it's OK but once a time I must stop the project at 99% and finish the last 1% with the same efforts spent from the begin... the "last 1% feever" is a demon..... I have to put a muzzle to it next build :D

Thanks friends!

Spettacolare..
.. nient'altro friend..
Beautiful work!

Amazing build :eek2: I cannot fault anything else than the choice of the frame - it's a softail but without the moving rear swingarm. However, the quality of the build eclipses the frame choice so no issue.
I would like to find out about the photoetching you've done on this bike: what materials did u use, software, tips&tricks?

Amazing work Gio. As Rob said, you have mastered the elements of modelling. Incredible work, it looks just like the real thing!

Really cool build.
Was following nearly from day one ...


What are your plans for that Harley Road King/ Police Bike?? Looks like a Katana Tank?
http://s27.beta.photobucket.com/user/gionc/media/DSC_0663.jpg.html?sort=3&o=89#/user/gionc/media/DSC_0663.jpg.html?sort=3&o=89&_suid=1354332052097011199630867381777


Lowrider?
I'm addicted to that ultra low stance.
Should look freakin awesome when finished...

Do you have any inspiration pics for that bike?
Maybe you should start that as next project?

Greetings from Germany,

Torsten

I was lucky enough introducing "Untitled MK1" at Traudl's Modellbautage, http://www.traudlsmodellbau.com/ at Monaco, Germany: looks like my pacific bike stolen the best of show to houndreds superb military tanks and airplane :) LOL

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/boardtracker/DSC_0010_zps5c5acafe.jpg

I wasn't lucky enough to be there in person since I was lightly diseased, I'll repair in a couple weeks in Hungary at Mosom contest..... trip is still planned :)

I forgot also to show ho the bike(s) was showed up: I built a section of a wooden boardtrack, this is a test for a following project with a thrue boardtracker on a thrue wooden track... more to come

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0823.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/DSC_0824.jpg

Congratulations on the Best of Show award my friend !

Great bike Gio and a well deserved award, congratulations.

grande gionc!!
italians do it better!

Congratulations Gman!

Beating those military boys at these shows really takes something special and the award is totally deserved...beautiful work! :)

Congratulations!
Great build - grat bike - amazing effect.

greetings
MesserDesign

Hi Gio,

I just saw these bike on Moson Show. Congratulation, great work ;)
i really loved them.
Thanks for bringing and showing them :)

Best regards,
G

Gergo!!!!! I met Sasa and Sumak there at the show but I didn't got the chance to recognize you! Should be next time, we must to manage a mini-reunion and dinner with the AF-forum guys.

Sasa: sorry I didn't got the chance to share a dinner or a single beer.... I was to much linked with the club's guys and related committments, we got much to do, buy... see.... eat..... :)

Great trip!

Hi Gio!

Yes, pity that we did not meet. i was there only on saturday, but you could find me behind the tabels as i was juring whole afternoon :). Today i saw the results so congratulation for gold medal and best civil vehicle prize ;) you really deserved it

Yes i also meet Sasha, talked a bit but pity the he did not bring anything. My friend sztanyi (you can see his McLaren also here in AF) and myself expected some model from him :D we still remember his nice Ferrari from some years ago.

Hope to see you next year and chat a bit or drink somthing ;)

Cheers,
Gergo

Great: I would for sure be there next issue: we got much fun and doing the trip with the modeling club the stuff is economically doanable. We must plan the meet in advance next year in order to have a breakfast or dinner together with AF friends and share two words ;) thanks for all the job!

Congratulations also from my side! I was there but i realize just on the premier that you are in person there. Both your bikes are fantastic and is no wonder that you won the best of show. Well done Gionc!!

Holy crap. Do you ever make anything that is less than absolutely incredible??

non seguo molto la sezione moto, e quindi non commento manco troppo spesso. che dirti...un capolavoro Giò. bellissima anche la base. meno male che anche te fai valere le abilità italiche oltralpe.
Stupenda, null'altro ;)

ah, ok, english based forum. simply said: wonderful my friend, in our language ;)