Water in the engine

ok I'm really hoping I don't have this problem, or atleast not bad, but how would you know if you have water in the engine? It was raining balls today, and I was going through alot of puddles basically b/c there was nowhere else to go. Well, i went into the bank, made a deposit, then started the car and it died, tried a couple more times, waited a minute and it started and I was off. About half a mile or a mile later, the engine seemed to be bogged down, there wasn't as much power when I accelerated, and I when i reved it it quickly went back down, like it was weighted or something. Then when I was pulling into my driveway the car really started bogging down and was kinda sputtering, then died. Now, when I try to start it, I hear a bad squeeling noise and its idling really hard. Now, I'm supposed to be adjusting hte valves tomorrow and I thought possibly it could also be a warped valve or something, but I know nothing about this engine. SO any ideas?

Originally posted by Jay eS Iye
ok I'm really hoping I don't have this problem, or atleast not bad, but how would you know if you have water in the engine? It was raining balls today, and I was going through alot of puddles basically b/c there was nowhere else to go. Well, i went into the bank, made a deposit, then started the car and it died, tried a couple more times, waited a minute and it started and I was off. About half a mile or a mile later, the engine seemed to be bogged down, there wasn't as much power when I accelerated, and I when i reved it it quickly went back down, like it was weighted or something. Then when I was pulling into my driveway the car really started bogging down and was kinda sputtering, then died. Now, when I try to start it, I hear a bad squeeling noise and its idling really hard. Now, I'm supposed to be adjusting hte valves tomorrow and I thought possibly it could also be a warped valve or something, but I know nothing about this engine. SO any ideas?

The squeeliing is probably a wet/lose belt on the water pump or something. Whenever I go over a puddle with the tires on the left I get that noise for a few seconds (5-10 max)

Not sure about the whole water in the engine thing, sorry.

replace your spark plugs, same thing happened to my friends car one time

water pump, the water pump is on the timing belt, your thinking of the alternator or the ac belts, or even teh power steering if u have it

its funny you mentioned power steering b/c when it died, it was really hard to crank the wheels... how could i test the power steering pump? also on the subject of spark plugs, which ones are best on Civics? i'm used to domestics

Originally posted by Jay eS Iye
its funny you mentioned power steering b/c when it died, it was really hard to crank the wheels... how could i test the power steering pump? also on the subject of spark plugs, which ones are best on Civics? i'm used to domestics


Well your powersteering is working fine, reason why the steering got hard as piss when the motor died was just cause of that. The motor died, and was no longer turning the power steering pump... which makes life so much easier when turning.

If you're affraid of water in your motor, check your oil. If it looks milky, you've got water... best change the oil/filter quick.

Grab a can of CRC or simialr and spray it in the dizy cap, and if they look wet a little on the ignition leads.

It just sounds like water got splashed onto the ignition system where (normaly the dizzy) and is causeing things to short out somewhere.
The CRC will dry it up and clear it off.

Or you could just let it sit for a while.


If your worried about water in the intake then dont be.
You'll know when that happens. Theres normaly a loud bang and the engine will never ever even turn over again.

Originally posted by Moppie
Grab a can of CRC or simialr and spray it in the dizy cap, and if they look wet a little on the ignition leads.

It just sounds like water got splashed onto the ignition system where (normaly the dizzy) and is causeing things to short out somewhere.
The CRC will dry it up and clear it off.



Was going to say exactly the same thing! Get some water dispersant into the electrics. That's typically the cause of an engine running rough after rain. :)

Originally posted by Worshp


Was going to say exactly the same thing!



Bitch!

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Nice pics in the sig, do you know who took them?





(I have a NZ post bag sitting on my desk, all I need is a CD to put in it, I used my last one up makeing a legal back up of a game. ;) )

well had someone come over who knows engines a hell of a lot more than me, here's the scoop:
there was some water in the distributor cap, but it was dried up when we opened it. Then we took off the head and found a bunch of antifreeze (which we concluded that it was from taking off hte head) but there was some water too. Well, he tried to turn the pistons but they were locked up (probably from me starting it a couple times to try to locate the problem by sound).... so i'm stuck with a locked block right now and it freakin sucks.... but the block is intact so basically we just gotta get the pistons turning again and i should be good to go, we'll know when we take off the oil pan and whatnot... this would be an awesome opportunity to buy my b-series, but money is kinda tight... wish this woulda happened a month or so from now...

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So the engine turned over? and then you took the head off and now it dosnt? :confused:

Either you fucked something up when you put it back together, or when you took it apart.
When you take any head off anti freeze always flows over the open block face, and often filles one or more cylinders.
There only other way for it to get in there is through a blown head gasket, which is easy to spot with the head off, especialy if your mate really knows what he's talking about.

nah i haven't put it back together, he was trying to move the pistons by whatever gear or whatever is on the side long the timing belt but it wouldn't move or budge at all. and eyah we know that the gasket was good so the antifreeze just came from taking off the head

If they turned over before with the head on, there is no reason they won't turn over now.

If you found water in the dizy Im still wondering why you bothered taking the head off. I would give your mate a hard slap if I was you, as I believe it was totaly un-nessasary.

However you have two options:
Get another (better) engine and stick it in there to replace the old one.

or

Buy another gasket set and stick the damn thing back together.

You say the engine won't turn manualy? Hydrolock could have screwed up a rod bearing or even bent a rod. Check to make saure there are now gaping holes in the side of your engine.

there are no holes in it, unless they are underneith or something, but its not like it died hard and quick, it sputtered dead. so are you saying that even tho he couldn't move the pictons manually, it would still turn over with it put together? And when it was together, it was not running good at all, could that be b/c there was a lil water in there or from a bigger problem? I'm thinkin i may just hafta take the block apart to be sure

Well it would not have been running reight because of the water in the dizzy :rolleyes: :rolleyes:



Try turning the engine over useing a socket and power bar on the crank pully retianing nut.


BUT IF THE ENGINE TURNED OVER (even if it did not start) BEFORE TE HEAD CAME OFF, IT SHOULD STILL TURN OVER WITH THE HEAD OFF.
Unless your mate stuffed something up somewhere. If the cam belt completly free of the engine? is it prehaps in gear? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

we tried turning it with a socket and it didn't work, and no its not in gear, give me a little credit here

bump the ignition switch . and if the starter doesnt turn it over you have problems. but dont hold the key too long you you will spray oil everywhere when your oil pump kicks in

Yeah dude..I don't quite understand the reason for removing the head either...now you need a head gasket..and you should replace the valve cover gaskets, and any o-rings related to the head/cam/dizzy etc..

www.hondaautomotiveparts.com

Moppie & Worshp said everything else already. and redmanjd is right..if the starter won't turn the engine over, you have some other problem.

And you asked about plugs. NGK all the way - NGK BCPR6E-11