Just dont know

Just dont know any more , i mean no stock decently priced cars do the 1/4 mile in a decent time , i mean hell alot of em do the 1/4 mile in the same time as my current car. so why get a new one? Im lookin to spend 10k but i want a N/A engine.

u can get a late 80's 5.0 Stang an with 10k, u'll be FAST. but stock...u'll be QUICK :hehehe:

ROFL! i cant wait to see his response on this one...

speed aint cheap

correction: honda speed isnt cheap.

you can build a 500hp 350 chevy v8 for about $1500 or less.

you can build a 500hp honda for 15,000 or less

:bloated:

dont get a friggen mustang

Which car is the 350 chevy v8 from? It's one of the older Chevy muscal cars? right? And your right, Honda Speed isnt cheep. It'd help if our USA Honda's came with the same engine they sent em out the factory door with in the JDM, right there you'd save about 3 grand in a swap.Of course, used honda are cheeper there too, I saw a pic of a used Integra type-r with "low kilometers" for like $8000. I was like Damn, why can't they be that cheep here, lol. and they also got the better front end too, lol. It figures, they get the better engine in the civics and the better front end for interga's. Also, does anyone else here with they'd kept the name Integra here,like they did in Japan, instead or re-naming it the RSX? I mean, what the hell does RSX stand for? I've always wondered why they went with a name that was just a bunch of letters. Of course, I've also wondered why we are the only continet to nessesitate a need for a luxury divison called Acura. I always thought Honda Integra sounded better. ;)

there have been like 50 chevy cars and trucks with 350s nowadays its the camaro and corvette <well, actually just the vette now> but back in the day, chevelles, novas, el caminos, impalas, camaros, corvettes, malibus all had a 350 option im pretty sure

almost every chevy truck, suv, or car has had a 350 in it if built within the last 50 years. it is a very old platform, although decent when you tune it right. the 5.0 mustang is not a 350 engine. and it is not fast by any means stock. it only put down 210hp from the factory which wont get you much better times then any Si would. but of course making it faster would be a lot cheaper because it is so cheaply tuned from the factory. i mean a simple header setup on those things gives about 20hp just because the stock piece was so bad. cheap ford product as usual.

stay with the civic and work on it. you might spend a little more money to get those 11 second quarter mile times but youll look a lot better when you do it!

stay with the civic and work on it. you might spend a little more money to get those 11 second quarter mile times but youll look a lot better when you do it! Civic dont look a lot better that many other cars, just my opinion. Civic=cheap for me. You cant beat getting a rust free & completely stock 1991 Civic Si for $200, even ran perfect. My $200 car has $6k worth of work :rolleyes:

thats cool , but im more into a car that is newer and a sportier car.

ok well civics sure look a hell of a lot better then any mustang ive seen. thats what i was comparing it too. and if you want to talk cheap mustangs are the worst of all. the interior is such crap it looks like daewoo built it, the engine is undertuned, it cant handle worth shit, and is a lot less reliable then any civic on the road. if you think civic=cheap then you got the wrong idea. just because one car is more expensive then the other, doesnt make it better.

riiight , i never said the civic was cheap . Im saying i want a new car .. yet your views on the mustang ...well lets say alot of people beg to differ about that car. I dont know why you trash it so much .

of course a lot of people differ in my opinion towards the mustang. did i say everyone thought the same way as i do? but i do have proof of everything i said about that car. the 6 cylinder mustang is a joke so lets not even go there. then you have the GT. its a frickin 4.6liter v8 and it puts out what like 260hp? what is that about? our 1.8's put out 200 and thats a 4 cylinder! that is just cheap american engineering and mentality. they seem to think that making the engine bigger is the only way to get hp. idiots. and as far as the handling, my civic stock could outhandle any mustang (you must keep in mind im not talking about the high end mustangs like the cobra r's, saleens, or roush). its so sad how badly balanced and how poorly the suspension is tuned. also the interior, omg its such crap. ive found better materials at an LA swap meet in downtown. of course there are the higher end mustangs as i mentioned before but those cost upwards of 40k and for that much money you could get the much better corvette. but thats another story.

Dude, $200 is cheap!

If a POS 5.0L early '90s stang had the same amount of suspension work, I'd still smoke it on a tight autocross course. A whole different story on a road course. I think there should be a law, all cars should be RWD, AWD, or 4WD. FWD has some positives but . . .UNDERSTEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!th an a mofo. All cars should have atleast 750HP. What yall think? That would not be practical but a whole shit load of fun, ecspecially in the snow:o

riiiiiiight. put down the drugs man.... lol

Well a track is a different story . COMPLETELY different story.

American cars are very unreliable. Go to your local auto repair shop, see how many domestics there are? ALOT Look at the same place for imports? See any? most likely one or two that are like 20 years old.

Point proven

okay... Knowing many mechanics personnally . This statement is true to a point Domestics ARNT as reliable as Imports..End of story. YET they arent boxes with wheels that break down every 5 seconds. This is a misconception for all you car illiterates. Just because its a domestic doesnt mean its suck . thats like saying just because the persons black hes going to steal your stuff. Stereo types are driven by what has happened in the past , and with no facts or heresay you cannot prove to this day that that statement is still true. Domestics were pretty bad in the 80s , but they have come a long way. They arnt these break down boxes you poor misguided soles still think they are.

yes, tha is true. but here is an example of a domestic nightmare. my dad bought me a 2002 SVT foucs when i was 15. at 800miles, the ecu croaked. At 2500, the MAF wen't bad. A week later the O2 sensor went bad. Then the clutch interlock switch broke. THen the IAC broke. Then the seat supports, (rods holding the seat back in place) backed out and the seats fell apart. luckily the car is running fine now, but its just a big pain in the ass.

im sorry but the focus sucks. The most recalls ive seen in a while .

Yea it does, my dad told me we were going to get his truck, and while in the parking lot he hands me the keys to a car. Thats why im getting my mom to buy me a 99 si.

99 si eh? , thats on my list too of "CARS MUST BUY"..hahha


99 Mustang V6
00 Toyota celica Gts
98 Audi A4 1.8t or 2.8
97 bmw 318is
97 honda prelude
99 civic si.

Imports break just as much. The Honda dealer I worked was open from 6am to midnight / 2 shifts of techs. Guess what we couldn't handle our work load & most of them were 98 & newer not 20 years old. Cars in general suck, they all break.

American cars are very unreliable. Go to your local auto repair shop, see how many domestics there are? ALOT Look at the same place for imports? See any? most likely one or two that are like 20 years old.

Point proven

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you have no right to call any of us illiterate. youre the one assuming we dont have any personal experience in the subject and totally undermining everything we say. well i can give you another example. my dad had a chevy suburban. within the first 40,000 miles we changed the water pump twice, the fuel pump twice, the shocks 3 times, the seat tore, and the power steering pump went out. and they were all factory parts replaced at the STEALER. thats merely one example of many i have. aand all with domestics. ive owned 2 cars already, one was a 16 year old vw and now i have a fully built hatchback thats 11 years old. you want to know the problems i have had with them? on the vw, the ORIGINAL fuel pump went out. it was 16 years old and was expected. so now what do you say? ever since 1976 every american car i have ever laid my eyes on has been a piece of crap(except the corvette, but even it has its faults) as far as engineering, design, and materials. now before 1976 during the muscle car era and even all the way back into the 20's and 30's, those were some nice cars. see im not biased to all japanese rice rockets. i love CERTAIN american cars, japanese, and german. but these new american cars are so bad its not even funny.

guys...u can't say that domestics or imports are better in reliability. im an all out import guy myself, but i admit that hondas DO have problems like any other car.

as for out-handling any stang...wut bout jus the cobra? not the r...but the cobra. i'd like to see ur hatch out-handle that (especially considering that the hatch isn't much of a handling machine itself)

u make fun of how the V8's only put down 260hp STOCK, but how much money does it take to get that up to 400hp? not a lot compared to MOST imports.

u complain about all the "crappy" new american cars, but wut about the ford windstar? the taurus? the mazda's? the viper? the neon srt-4? the late 90's camaros? thats only a few...american cars are quality also. both the low-end, and top end cars. i don't like the styling of american cars, an i love the high reving motors of my teg, but i don't think that japanese cars are any better than american cars.

im not trying to start anything with u, cuz flamewars are pointless. jus adding my views to this pointless thread...which has gone off topic of course :D

Well, since you said this tread was off topic, I decided to go back and see what on earth the frist reasponse was. We are kinda off tiopic, lol. So, here's my oberservation on the off topic subject. I think part of the arguement for american cars is, but in the muscle car and pre-muscle car era, when one of you mention we made good cars, thats exactly what most of the vehickles we prodcued were...cars. Now, Ford, Chevy, Dodge, half their lot are trucks or SUV's, and those make up at least half there vehicle fleet. Amercian manufactors focus more on a trintion V8 F250, etc, than cars. Now I am not sayin that american cars are better or worse than those from another country, not tryin to getinvolved in that one (though I drive a civic myself), I'm just sayin most of the R & D (research and development) by american car makers nowdays goes into big honkin Trunks and some SUV's. Also, DOes anyone find it funny dodge is finally tryin to improve teir rep now that mercades benz owns them (damlier-chysler)? I had to have spelled that wrong, lol. NOw, for the orignal post. With only you can't get a decently priced stock car new for 10 grand, slow or not...but the new SRT-4 is pretty fast for a 20 grand stock car. Not sayin it's realiable, too new to make a judgement, just sayin it's fast for 20 grand.

ok how can I start... My dad has gone though a ford tempo which died at 24,000 miles.. started smoking, Ford Escort EXP (paid 2000 and spent $8000 in repairs) and the little shit still died and fell apart.

We got a ford taurus and it lasted us about 2 months untill the engine started rattling and jumping to hell while we were on the highway.. so thats shit... and NOW our ford explorer! My dad got it in 98! gave it to me last year.. and FUCk the transmission has gone out in it 3 times! RIGHT now it doesnt run because guess what!!!! the transmission went out again.. also the flywheel fell off and cant start it either cuz ther starter cant grip on to anything.. the teeth must have worn...

I got my 92 civic in december 15th of 2002 with 76,000 miles and now it has around 89,000.. NOT ONE SINGLE fucking problem till today. I keep up with the maintanence. My mom has a 99 camry with no problems so far, we had a cavalier which we bought brand new in 89 and died in 99 and that kinda was a good car which never gave problems till everyone started running into it.. damn people in NY dont know how to stop for a fucking red light! (which is why we bought the camry) damn how many times did I tell my dad to STOP buying ford... hes hardheaded and wouldnt admit that they suck.. so he got me the civic which has made me VERY happy.. OMG IM sorry but I just get so aggravated with ford.... "Fix Or Repair Daily" car. damn I love my explorer better than my civic but its a gas guzzler and keeps dying! not only that but its all highways here and I dont even floor it!


Sorry for the long post guys:mad:

well your going to hear horror storys of any car. Whether it be a ford or honda . What a person earlier said"cars suck" is true. They are machines that break. Well point being my parents have a two fords 1 ford explorer with 30k miles on it with no problems , had it for like 3 years. Also we have a 94 ford taurus wagon with 90k miles , had it for 8 years. With no problems with that car.

Hmm, well were talkin about our parents cars, i'll join in. My dad has a 1984 Toyota Camry. Bought it new in 1984, only owner since day 1. Consumer reports called the 1984 Camry one of the "Lemon" years. Well, he has 420,700 miles on that damn car. Yup, 420,700 miles. Thats a damn lot. I mean, I've heard of a few trunk going a long time like that, but a car? of course, the thing looks it too. Looks like a POS, lol. But it runs. A/C died a while ago, but the damn car wont. Some ppl serectly wish it would, cuz we think he derseves a new car, but he'll never junk that car. He used to claim he was gonna get 500,000 miles outta that car. I was like, BS...well, I think he might just make it.

haha , good ol toyota . Yea i got a friend with a corolla in the 300kmile area.

Yea, those things never die, do they? Like the enrgizer battery...they just keep going, and going...

haha, i know right . You still see those things drivin around with a huge holes of rust but they are still driving. Hell those cars would of lasted longer if the body didnt rust around the engine.

Boy, you hit the nail on the head with that one. Your dead on. Thats the problen my dads car is facing, He can keep it running, that things not gonna die...but htet body? yea, there's less rust than there would be, cuz he had a friend that moved here from Quebec a while ago that fixed some of it for free as a favor, but still. It's that damn body rust. That rust will screw things up LONG before that car dies;)

yeap.

Are cars that are built in the US but have a import brand name, is that even an import? Shit, domestics imported - imports built here? So what is what? Like I said before all cars sucks & they all break. Some people have better luck than others with cars.

Being a service advisor @ one the busiest Honda dealers, dont tell me domestic is worse than a import. How come '02 CRV check engine light was coming on within 500 miles????? Honda took a while to get a fix for the problem. Airbad problems, computer problems, emmision problems, shit I could go on & on & on about 2000 & up Honda or just hondas in general. From my experience, Honda has gotten bad since 1998. Thats what you will find sitting @ the honda dealer waitng for parts or what ever. 100-150 cars coming in a day, not even 1/2 for just maint., mnostly repiars. Honda are having problems due to, too much american influence.

so with my 92 with 88,000 miles hold out for a long time? NEVER had a problem and ALWAYS change EVERY maintanence part.. Timing belts new and everything

Lucky for us our 92's were still built in Japan:biggrin: but yeah, I know what ur talkin bout with the air-bags. I had a friend with a civic, hit a tree at like 35mph or something on a rainy day when the tries sliped on a curve. Air-bag didnt go off. and she hit on the front of the car too, so it shoulda deployed. and the damn body shop tried to tell her "there was nothing wrong with the air-bag." what a bunch of BS from them, I mean, a head on hit shoulda set of the air-bag