Car and Driver

Car and Driver magazine currently tested the Murcielago. To nobody's surprise, they loved it. I think it got a little underrated because it was tested with the Enzo Ferrari and the Saleen S7. They managed to break the shift linkage on the Murci twice, which lead them to suggest paddle shifting for future Murcielagos. They also commented on the understeer and the weight of the car. But they loved the 572 horses, the 'face that will scare Vipers', and the attention the car received. I was just giving you guys a little taste, the whole article is in the new Car and Driver.

They managed to break the shift linkage on the Murci twice, what does that mean?

I look forward to this issue, I looked at two stores yesterday and I guess it is not out yet.

As far as the shift linkage breaking, they say that paddle shifters are the answer. I say maybe/maybe not. Pehaps paddle shifters would be seen as a nice option as in 360F1/6-speed. But to just "runaway" from the traditional 6-speed is not the answer either. I do not remember Lambo having any significan problems in the past in the area so perhaps it is an isolated problem???

As far as perfomance goes. Murcielage and Diable 6.0 are perhaps my favorite two cars ever. So don't be taken back when I say that if Lamborghini wants to remain competitive in "head to head" performance shootout with the likes of Carrera GT, Enzo, Saleen, Zonda, than they are just going to have to find away to lose some of the "fat". The Murcielage has proved it self to be a decent handling, ballistic vehicle especailly for its deminsions and weight. But if they can lose 300-400lbs they would be in good shape for another 4 or 5 years without having to do any major re-designs. Hell, I say even keep the VT drive-train. On the other hand another 30 bhp will not hurt in the future, an even 600bhp would be nice to shoot for.

All this being said, I think the Murcielago is much easier to live with than all the above mentioned cars at least it looks to be fairly comfortable. At any rate I would still buy the Lambo first if I could afford one.:D

http://www.supercars.net/Comp?sourceList=1946&CompList=1946-1125-759

why do they compare a $273k car (Murci) with a $373k (Saleen S7) and a $670k (Enzo) ?????

...anyway, it's impressive that being a $100k less car, the Murci manages to outperform the Saleen (and not be too far away from the $400k plus Enzo!!)

Price range does indeed differ greatly, but as far as perfomance between these three I will hold my tongue until I read the mag. I just don't see a Murcielago out performing a Saleen. Too, too much weight difference to be overcome with similar bhp. But we will see.

in fact i wrote it just based on the supercars.net comparison (see the link in the previous post) and without knowing how it is in real life comparison. yes, maybe it may not outperform the saleen... or it may! :D

I would like nothing more than to see the Murcielago out perform all the cometitiors. I get so tired of hearing Ferarri owners base all their claims on racing heritage(which of course Ferarri has a great deal of). I love F cars as well but I don't race and a Lambo would suit me just fine. That being said the S7 is just too much of a race car from the engine to the chasis there is not much different between the S7 and the S7R race car. I will indeed be hard to beat.

Tony, they broke the shifter stick right in half... twice. They had a pair of vice-grips stuck on what was left of the stick to have something to hold on to. They compared these cars because they were comparing the 'Most Wanted Supercars'. The issue also included information about the Ford GT, Pagani Zonda, Gallardo, Bugatti Veyron, and many others. Great issue...

I can't find the issue, when does it come out in stores.

Originally posted by SuPeRcAr_MaN
Tony, they broke the shifter stick right in half... twice. They had a pair of vice-grips stuck on what was left of the stick to have something to hold on to.

That sounds more like them abusing the car rather than it being a transmission problem. In any manual transmission car, with perhaps the exception of race cars. You only need to gentley guide the shifter into place,I've driven a fair bit fo manual transmission vehciles, with various 'stickiness' in the shifting and none of them have required me to slam the shifter through the gate, even under hard acceleration. I'd really like to see what sort fo drivng they are doing that leaves them with a broken METAL shifter.

As for the variation in prices, like any monetary object when cars reach prices equivalent to twice my house's value (me being the people) the market significantly narrows to the insanely wealthy and the MSRP is rarely a selling point. You get what you pay for (or hope to at least) and any upgrades follow what seems like an exponential curve.

Originally posted by spare_me_a_murci
http://www.supercars.net/Comp?sourceList=1946&CompList=1946-1125-759

why do they compare a $273k car (Murci) with a $373k (Saleen S7) and a $670k (Enzo) ?????

...anyway, it's impressive that being a $100k less car, the Murci manages to outperform the Saleen (and not be too far away from the $400k plus Enzo!!)
haha the murci has a huger engine than the enzo, but how does the v8 saleen have the hugest engine!??!?!?but as for the saleen stuff, did any one see bruce almighty!? i saw it twice i loved that saleen, thats like my 4th fav. car.
1.murcie
2.diablo
3.corvette
4.saleen s7
:flash: :flash: :flash: :flash: :flash:

also i got the new road and track and dupont registry magazines, the road and track features the saleen s7:D

If it is out to subscribers, it should be on the newstand too... I think. The same guy broke the shifter both times. He said he didn't jerk it any harder than any other car he has ever driven. IMO, he had to be doing something wrong to break something like that. Another dream job for me: auto magazine test driver. :o

is it in the CAr and Driver that they tested the murci in the snow?

Cause I saw yesterday like 5 mag...

If not, I think the best review for the Murci is in that mag.

What do you think?

Originally posted by hiphophomer

haha the murci has a huger engine than the enzo, but how does the v8 saleen have the hugest engine!??!?!?but as for the saleen stuff, did any one see bruce almighty!? i saw it twice i loved that saleen, thats like my 4th fav. car.
1.murcie
2.diablo
3.corvette
4.saleen s7
:flash: :flash: :flash: :flash: :flash:

I think I have a idea of what you are attempting to ask???? I hope.

The Saleen does indeed have the largest engine of the three. 7 liter V8 is larger than, a 6.2/6.0 liter V12. Just because there are more cylinders does not make it a larger engine.

It really should have been Zonda, Saleen, Enzo, for fairness.

you forgott the new supercar by lamborghini which will based on a carbon fiber chassis with around 700 ps. it will be much lighter than the murcielago. (I AM NOT TALKING about the murcielago gt!)

I havn't hard about this!!! any more information/pictures/articles?

I've never heard about this either. We definitely need some pictures and more info!!!

this are just rumours coming from santa agata. believe me and wait some more month until we will here more.

Originally posted by jsb88
It really should have been Zonda, Saleen, Enzo, for fairness.

I agree with this. The Murcielago is much more geared towards GT ie 575M, Vanquish, etc. Where as the above three are much more hard nosed race bred sports cars. As far as a super Lambo, I read it in an article a while back, but I was under the impression it was to be variant of the Murci. Who cares as long as they make it.:D

Originally posted by Menu dei Motori
you forgott the new supercar by lamborghini which will based on a carbon fiber chassis with around 700 ps. it will be much lighter than the murcielago. (I AM NOT TALKING about the murcielago gt!)

what? new lamborghini? sweet!

Ever since Lamborghini has been owned by Audi, nothing but good things have happened. 3 supercars, plus rumours of a 2+2 FR and another SUV, sounds good to me.

By the way, was there ever anymore news about the 2+2 car and the LM005?

Originally posted by Menu dei Motori
you forgott the new supercar by lamborghini which will based on a carbon fiber chassis with around 700 ps. it will be much lighter than the murcielago. (I AM NOT TALKING about the murcielago gt!)
do u mean 700hp?:chair: :iamwithst :useless:

Originally posted by raven1822


I think I have a idea of what you are attempting to ask???? I hope.

The Saleen does indeed have the largest engine of the three. 7 liter V8 is larger than, a 6.2/6.0 liter V12. Just because there are more cylinders does not make it a larger engine.

indeed. for example, the 2003 viper has a 8.2 liter v10

Originally posted by jsb88
It really should have been Zonda, Saleen, Enzo, for fairness.

I just noticed this post... They were not comparing these cars. They were simply testing three of the best and nicest supercars in the world. The others were 'notable mentions', which they couldn't get their hands on to test, but they felt they were needed to be mentioned in an article about supercars. And Menu, keep us updated when you hear anything about this new Lambo. :wink:

Originally posted by hiphophomer

do u mean 700hp?:chair: :iamwithst :useless:


there are no pics yet.

this are just rumours i got from a very good source!
believe me! if i get pics i post them. i ask a007apl maybe he has some pics already

COOL!!!!!!!!!!!
:bigthumb:

Originally posted by SuPeRcAr_MaN


I just noticed this post... They were not comparing these cars. They were simply testing three of the best and nicest supercars in the world. The others were 'notable mentions', which they couldn't get their hands on to test, but they felt they were needed to be mentioned in an article about supercars. And Menu, keep us updated when you hear anything about this new Lambo. :wink:

Yeah, you are correct. Upon actually getting my hands on a copy I see that they are not actually comparing these cars as in a shootout. However, one point that comes to mind when I make comparisons between these cars as well as others is that. More power is always a good thing. However, the Murcielago could benefit from a simple diet plan. The magazine states how fast this car accelerates, and we all know how fast it is up top. But the damn car is just too heavy. With 570bhp I would much rather see the car lose 300 or 400 pounds and then try and get a bit more juice from the engine. But by losing the weight you may find that they car does not need anymore power.

I agree 100%. I guess that is why Lamborghini feels they need a light, possibly carbon fiber, insanely powerful, possibly 700 BHP, new supercar. If they do in fact make this, I'm sure it will be competing with, or even beating, the best of them. And knowing Lamborghini's styling, it might give them an edge over the competitors. We shall see...

That don't suprise me one bit. Lamborghini has to be fast. Light is the key tho.

I'm also interested in what new asthetic improvements the new lambo will have. I can't wait until pictures are release of this new lambo :)

if this car comes out better than the murcie are you gonna probably get it tony!?:bigthumb:

I got the car and driver magazine yesterday, it compared the murcielago s7 gt40 and enzo(crap), over all i loved the murcie the most, i hate those dumnases that tested the murcie they said they broke the shift linkage twice they said"this record indicates the lack of mechanical sympathy" that guy is retarded, and i hope he burns in hell:mad:

Originally posted by hiphophomer
if this car comes out better than the murcie are you gonna probably get it tony!?:bigthumb:

I don't know Hippo, depends what it looks like. I am most interested in a convertable or roadster edition. (but not the one with no top at all)

Originally posted by Tony_Ensemble


I don't know Hippo, depends what it looks like. I am most interested in a convertable or roadster edition. (but not the one with no top at all)
:iceslolan :iceslolan :iceslolan

would you trade in the murci for a murci barchetta if it came with a roof?

heh, hippo :tongue:

Prolly.

And when you are old like me, you can exchange it for a nice Bentley Azure :wink:

Originally posted by jsb88
And when you are old like me, you can exchange it for a nice Bentley Azure :wink:

hey jsb

most of us still have some years to go :biggrin2:

You won't still be saying that when you get there! :biggrin2: :thefinger

Originally posted by jsb88
You won't still be saying that when you get there! :biggrin2: :thefinger




ok you got me... uff don´t want to think when i get 50... i´m sure i will never need a bentley. porsche turbo is still ok.

btw why i mention porsche turbo.


i drove a 580 ps porsche turbo. well i sit next to the driver :p
we drove 330 wow :eek: what a great feeling. you don´t fell the speed in this car.

i´ll meet the guy next weekend probably
i´ll post pics for you.

optical you see nothing then other wheels... and it is 5mm deeper but this car is really really great. if he sells it hm should i get it in 2-3 years after my z4?
he really cares for it. drives the engine warm and when he goes home he drives an extra round with about 100 kmh to get the enigne cold.
hmmm this is my new favourite car.. by by murcielago:frown:

Menu in a Porsche 911 turbo... :eek2: Don't scare me!!! :tongue:

gentlemen, start your cowering

remind me to stay off the autobahn when menu's driving in his 911. Its not that i dont trust you menu, its just the thought of a 911 tearing past me at 330 that im scared of

i cant compete until i get my murci

yea that was on saturday it was awesome we drove to munich and watched 2 fast 2 furios...
the film was great but i can only remember my hell ride in the porsche turbo


coming saturday we´ll probably do the same and rough up munich with a sound so blood runs cold going through tunnels you think the flagstones will come from the walls.

i´ll take my digi cam with me next time

ps: on holiday till friday

:smile: Sounds like fun. Take a picture of the Speedo to prove it!!! :biggrin: Whats the fastest you have seen someone on the autobahn?

:jump3: cant wait!

sure i´ll do

ok guys i´ll go to the airport now my plane leaves in 2 1/2 hours

greets

Marius

ánd @jsb

it sounds like fun yea. it really SOUNDS!

how dare u menu repalce the murcie with a stupid porche :mad: , and 2 fast 2 furious is 2 g** 2 slow, the only thing they do 2 win is nos haha there 2 cheap to get a nice car!:biggrin2:

I wouldn't say they are too cheap... the only company that sells R34 GTR Skylines is MotoRex and they cost 95k just to have legally... for the ricers with the deep pockets I think ;) (Ppl who own the NSX I guess...)

As for the turbo... have you even driven the Murcielago Menu? Perhaps you'd prefer the different sound that Lambo gives that that whine of turbo the whole time to 330khm (200mph), hehe. I could be wrong though.

BlueHera/Snowcorn White interior all the way... although I'd definitely look for the Bertone exhaust (4 tips) for my lambo. And I will have one...

i have never driven a murcielago. i only heard some passing me. the sound is really incredible! but driving a murcielago will probably only be a dream for the next few years :frown:

didnt u say ur gonna be driving with balboni in one!?