rsx beating gts?

what is thsi stuff i read in the rsx post forum where they are saying a base rsx can walk a gt-s both stock, equal drivers. and i mean arent rsx-s and gt-s' pretty close in the 1/4 mile if the drivers were just as good. because im deciding on either a gts or type s, i like the way the gts drives but the type s is alittle faster.

its just the honda vtec ego. i really doubt that a plain rsx will beat a gts given equal drivers. the gts is lighter and has like 20 more hp and a 6spd tranny where a plain rsx has at best a 5spd.

nope, sorry...but the "VTEC ego..." doesn't make us that stupid...

where exactly did u read that? cuz the comparisons were against the type s. yes, a gt-s will walk on a base one...but not on the type-s.

i got a question for ya krnx. why is it that you have all of those goodies in your integra but still run a high 14? i know this is off the subject, but im puzzled by this. i have a 3rd gen celica gt-s with only a few upgrades that could stomp the crap out of it.

i hope ur not talking about only a few upgrades on ur STOCK motor, cuz if u read wut i have on my car, only the i/h/e an clutch would help in a straight line time. an i've taken .4 off my my stock 1/4 time w/ those...

considering the i/h/e will only give u around 10hp on a b series motor, thas not bad at all.

so wut exactly are ur "few upgrades?" cuz ur car is startin w/ 54 less hp an only a bit more torque in a car that weighs almost even with mine. so unless u want to scan in a slip, anything short of a swap or turbo, isn't going to put u into the 14's.

for only having 3 mods that add HP and one that improves efficiency, that time in a gsr is not bad at all.

there is no way an 86 celica is in the 14's with out an engine swap or turbo, its just not gonna happen

thats an 85 dood. big difference. fwd and rwd. completely different engine. and believe it or not, thats what she does

so you'll have a better 60ft time. just because you have RWD doesnt mean that your 116hp and 140 tq plus IHE will beat a much newer car with an engine that has way more hp. the mods that you added probably only restored hp that was lost due to the engine's age instead of pushing your car from the 18's it ran from the factory to 14's with nothing but IHE and 18 years on the engine.

so unless you have a time slip, pics and video of you running in the 14's, your just spitting out a whole bunch of BS

Originally posted by Antyoo
so you'll have a better 60ft time. just because you have RWD doesnt mean that your 116hp and 140 tq plus IHE will beat a much newer car with an engine that has way more hp. the mods that you added probably only restored hp that was lost due to the engine's age instead of pushing your car from the 18's it ran from the factory to 14's with nothing but IHE and 18 years on the engine.

so unless you have a time slip, pics and video of you running in the 14's, your just spitting out a whole bunch of BS

agreed. i'd like to see ur car pull past me topend...i really would.

off the line u MIGHT be able to pull about 1/4 of a car, but the top of my 2nd would pull past u like u weren't moving. i highly doubt u've even been to the track, or u'd realize how much over 3 seconds off ur stock time is...

post the slips or there is nothing i can say but b/s.

maybe he is talking about the 1/8 mile, lol

how about try comparing both base models?
HP TQ Tranny
STOCK celica 140 125 5spd
STOCK rsx 160 141 5spd

RSX TYPE S(w/ i-vtec) 200 142 6 spd
Celica GT-S(w/ vvt-i) 180 130 6 spd

celica: 1.8litre dohc vvti
rsx: 2.0litre dohc vtec

Both the Celica-GT/GT-S and the RSX/type-s are Front Wheel Drive incase of confusion. The celica weighs 200 pounds less than the rsx-s. i have driven both cars, the 6 speed in the celica isn't very good, theres flaws in the drivetrain, maybe the clutch, that make it slower between shifts (car and driver will vouch). however, any 6 speed is hard for some one thats not used to them. the chasis in the rsx felt much stiffer and stayed connected to the road during the entire test drive.

overall in my biased opinion, the rsx type-s is a better car overall. both cars have tons of potential aswell, but stock for stock, base class to base class, and type-s to GT-S, the rsx is faster. And as far as the track goes, for those of you familiar with Integra suspension, it lives on in the DC5 chasis of the RSX.

as far as displacement goes, theres no replacement for displacement.
toyota's engineers should step up to the plate and develop a 2 litre that can be utilized in the celica to compete w/ the rsx.

so for you toyota celica junkies... dont mess with the most powerful N/A i-4s in the world. And also remember that your knock-off vvt-i can suck honda off.

***TO THE RICER TALKIN SHIT ON THE TYPE R****



because hes probably either a complete ricer or a complete horrible driver.

an integra type r runs a 14.5 with a good driver stock.

it doesnt take much for a type r to own the shit out of most ANY toyota on the street since they come with a sleeved block, ported/polished head..., drop some low compression flat top pistons / rods / cams / slap on a turbo and you wont be able to keep the car on the ground.

wow, talk about thread resurrection. anyway, i forgot to mention, it was mostly ego with me. i had a buddy time me (since im too damn poor to take it to a track) and i ran somewhere around a mid 15. once again, foot in mouth. also, about a moth or two after i timed it, i went and got it painted...then blew an exhaust valve. so shes parked til i can save the money to get my supra turbo engine in.

wut does he mean the most powerful i-4's in the world? i always thought that the 3sgte engine was one of them which came in the celicas... and wut does he mean "vvt-i can suck honda off"?? i dont get it... also "theres no replacement for displacement"?? basicaly a turbo makes the engine act like it has more displacement so in that case ur getting the power of a bigger engine in a little engine and it wieghs less... :screwy: i dont kno wut this fools talkin about

i have a 2000 celica gts motor is bone stock but i have a exhaust thats it i raced my friend amy she has a 2003 rsx type s with intake and exhaust and smoked her by at least a car and a half, and i have raced every gsr around that has been done up except for ones wit turbo and smoked them by lik 5 cars, and alot of other cars too.. wutever ppl say about the celicas is bullshit if they wana step then bring it but im tellin u da gts is no joke for a stock car it will shit on em. mah names paul

my personal feed back... i personally own a type-s i'm a car enthusist, i also work at honda and my uncle is a machanic at honda for 24 years. gts-has alot of potential, stock the gts sits as low as my rsx with h&r lowering springs... not to mention i do to-gay, and gts being that it is lighter with good tires would really do well. but when it comes to modifying both cars... it varys. depend on the tuners, and their direction with thier cars. but in the end i've driven a gts... like all toyotas... great car, but still doesn't feel as stable or sturdy asn a honda! P.S. my other uncle that works at lexus previously toyota as a veteran mechanic owns and drives hondas. no bullshit, just being honest... type-r rsx... maybe acura will do it... but you probably won't see it till 2005, thats when honda and acura are planning to envil new products to compete with car market of 2003... new rx7 and new supra

well, i honestly think, that there is a honda Ego. I talk to tons of people, with hondas, and i mean, they boast about how fast their civic SI is and so forth, and i mean, the civic SI has the 2.0 double overhead vtech. i smeared an SI at the tracks the last week before they closed down for the winter with my Celica ST. now. as for the acura. the integras are not what they are cracked up to be, i mean, the older ones come with an already built engine, so if you shove it in a new civic or something, you have a decent car. but i mean other than that, the car is just plain dull. accords, civics, integras, eclipse, they are all just the fast and the furious wannabes. You want a mans car? try Toyota, nissan, or volkwagen. im sick of wussy little hondas trying to race me at every stop light with nothing but their little muffler and some air filter their mommy gave them for christmas and their neons that APPARTENTLY GIVE THEM SOOOOO MUCH MORE HORSEPOWER IT SINGES THE PAINT FROM MY ENGINE! now heres my 2 cents. Hondas need to take their gocarts and go back to the gravel road and play. the drag strip and the streets are for adults. no offense to the drivers.

sed... i think i should inform you that lexus is ranked higher for reliabuility than acura... second kaijin... wtf are you talking about... yes there are a lot of stupid asses out there trying to race their civics with only new suspension, NO CAMBER KIT which defeats teh whole purpose of lowering the car, an exhaust, and an air intake but let me remind you that there are toyotas and nissans in the fast and the furious movie... and how the hell is a volkswagon a "mans" car? i mean cmon... a volkswagon bug is not a mans car... a mans car is a lamborghini murcielago, or a diablo....

also you only isted the accord, civic, integra... those are their cheepest cars... why dont you look at an s2000 or an nsx... im sure they could both beat your celica... you name all these weak hondas but you forgot there are weak toyotas too... corolla, camry, matrix... they are no race cars :nono:

i have a 2000 celica gts motor is bone stock but i have a exhaust thats it i raced my friend amy she has a 2003 rsx type s with intake and exhaust and smoked her by at least a car and a half, and i have raced every gsr around that has been done up except for ones wit turbo and smoked them by lik 5 cars, and alot of other cars too.. wutever ppl say about the celicas is bullshit if they wana step then bring it but im tellin u da gts is no joke for a stock car it will shit on em. mah names paul



Congratulations Paul!...you have the grammer of a 3 year old child. I know because I have one. How does it feel? I hate to tell you Paul but for one..you were racing a girl in a RSX....comeon man. Get real, I'm not siding with the Honda/Acura but I'm not siding with the Toyota either. I've spent 2 years doing strictly Honda/Acura performance and seen some amazing things. I've seen an all motor '02 civic si walk off from a moddified WRX. I've walked off from a Corvette Z06 and 600 cc crotch rocket on the interstate in a '93 hatchback w/140K ls motor, cheap pistons, and a turbo. So in defense of Honda/Acura I have to say that you are full of it sir. This is not a personal attack against you but against the claim that you have made. Have a good day.

KLR Kev,

What does racing a girl have to do with it?
You must be *joking* if you don't think "girls" can drive/race.

You "waked away" from a 600cc "crotch rocket"? Are you serious?

I have "raced" a '00 Civic SI, with my Yamaha FZR600R, and it inspired him to buy a bike. The next day.

How's your 3S-GTE project doing?

This is not a personal attack against you but against the claim you have made.

sed... i think i should inform you that lexus is ranked higher for reliabuility than acura... second kaijin... wtf are you talking about... yes there are a lot of stupid asses out there trying to race their civics with only new suspension, NO CAMBER KIT which defeats teh whole purpose of lowering the car, an exhaust, and an air intake but let me remind you that there are toyotas and nissans in the fast and the furious movie... and how the hell is a volkswagon a "mans" car? i mean cmon... a volkswagon bug is not a mans car... a mans car is a lamborghini murcielago, or a diablo....

also you only isted the accord, civic, integra... those are their cheepest cars... why dont you look at an s2000 or an nsx... im sure they could both beat your celica... you name all these weak hondas but you forgot there are weak toyotas too... corolla, camry, matrix... they are no race cars :nono:


My god, where should I start?

1. The fast and the furious is a movie. Please don't reference it when debating anything automotive. It makes your point, very dull.

2. Have you ever driven a VW? Although I'm not sure it's defined as a "man's car"...

3. The Accord, Civic, and Integra is what the Honda crowd mostly ever sees. Therefore, I think it's a good example.

4. Go and tell the lucky f*#@ in the world who received the WRC Corollas that they aren't race cars. Do you even know the history of the Corolla?

I haven't picked on you in a while.. but come on....

CHris :biggrin:

well your not gettin my point... he said that all hondas were fast and furiouse wannabe's... were my eyes playing tricks on me when i saw the toyota supra in both first and second movie?? were my eyes playing tricks on me when i saw all the mr2's coming out of the building? i dont think so...

yes there are a lot of civics, accords, integras out there that are seen as "ricers" but he is putting down all hondas... not all of them are like that.. hondas are good cars that have been given an image by other people..

yes i know that corolla is in wrc but i still dont consider it a "race car" i have never seen one on the track against supras and skylines... but i have seen the mr2's with engine swaps... toyota just doesnt build them for racing... i mean the last corolla with rwd was in 1985.... the ford focus is in wrc but i dont consider them race cars either...

Did he really say all Hondas are f&f wannabe?
Who cares what your eyes saw in a movie. It sucked. I didn't bother to watch the sequel.

So you don't consider a WRC car a "race car"... what do you consider a race car? A Supra and a Skyline?

Wouldn't a race car be something that was raced?
How about all the Corolla love people have now? There are tons in drifting competitions nationwide.

Honda are great cars. So are Nissan and Toyota. I think we've moved off of the thread topic. But, it looks as if it was dead anyway.

well yeah wrc is racing but were talking street... your taking my whole comment about the "corolla" out of proportion... i was only using it as an example because he was making it seem like toyota was superior to honda or something like that...

i dont really consider drifters racers either... drifters are judged on their style of them going arround turns (angle, speed, traction) but many of the cars used for drifting are good race cars...

very well. I won't pick on you anymore today... :)


later,
Chris

I've walked off from a Corvette Z06 and 600 cc crotch rocket on the interstate in a '93 hatchback w/140K ls motor, cheap pistons, and a turbo.

illGT4: Yes I sure did. It was a Smokin' Joes edition CBR600. The guy nearly killed himself trying to keep up. We down shifted at the same time, he got a jump on me, then I walked away from him.

It was not an attack towards girls either but go to any insurance company and look at the percentage of accidents between men and women. Women may have slightly cheaper insurance but the accident rate is ridiculous between the two. There are few women on the road that can drive from one street to another without almost getting themselves killed, let alone a girl that can actually race a car. I'm not in any way sexist, even my girlfriend agrees with me on this which doesn't happen alot of times. All I was saying is that it should have been a race between equal drivers.

As far as the 500hp celica project goes. I got everything together for him and when we found out how old the kid was...we decided to decline the project due to the kids age. He's not even 16 yet and if anything happened to that kid because of him not being able to handle the power of that car I couldn't forgive myself so we respectfully declined it.

Wow, that's a fast hatchback.

Okay, thanks for clarify your attack on women. :P

Kids and their 500 HP dreams... good call, Kevin. It would be horrible if something happened.

Best Regards,
Chris

was he actually paying for it or his parents? what kind of 16 y/o can have enough money to make a 500hp 3sgte? :eek7: i wish i could do taht when im 16