DET swap

HI
It is pocible to swap a sr20det (bluebird)into a p11?, I can get a motor with ecu and gear box,what I have to buy ,and this motor(sr20det)will fit perfectly in my caror do I have to change something ?any info about how to swap a motor will be very apreciate.
Thanks.

have you been living under a rock or something? :confused: jp :D

everyone who has a P10 or P11 want to do the swap. it comes with the gear box, the ecu has to be retuned by JWT. it fits good with your stock mounts. i suggest you pick up the DEC 01 issue of SCC. George did a write up of how to do the swap :D thanks George :toothless if you want a FMIC, you will have to fabricate piping or wait until Hotshot comes out with the kit. there are also a few things in the way, but other than that, its a pretty straightforward swap :devil:

Originally posted by AznVirus
have you been living under a rock or something? :confused: jp :D


Cut him a break.... He's from Chile and probably not as up on what's going on here.

Originally posted by AznVirus
everyone who has a P10 or P11 want to do the swap. it comes with the gear box, the ecu has to be retuned by JWT. it fits good with your stock mounts.

First, you don't return the Bluebird ECU to JWT - you send in your stock ECU for reprogramming. Second, JWT usually doesn't ship overseas.

Originally posted by AznVirus
i suggest you pick up the DEC 01 issue of SCC. George did a write up of how to do the swap

Might be hard in Chile. :)

Might not be tho there's a guy with an NX and another with a 240SX both rnuning DET's with the ECU that came with their DET engines...they were unlocked for 150$ too....Not just hearsay I sat in the NX DET and man it kicks ass. The 240 opened its hood to let me worship it :)

I'm not exactly sure how they did it tho but I'll know soon the next club meet is soon and I have my questions ready ;)

Originally posted by P10DET



First, you don't return the Bluebird ECU to JWT - you send in your stock ECU for reprogramming.



thats what i meant :D

Geo, any chance u can get me a copy of that mag to read in thanksgiving geekout? Need to get a big list ready to see what i need for DET.

Dad giving it consideration.. mostly because im saving him 20k or so from buying a new car.......haha.

-Phil

Hey George:
I just realized you're the guy who put together the P10 SR20DET swap in the SCC I just picked up. First off, thanks for doing so. I found the article very thorough and enlightening and now I want to get a DET in my G20. You didn't mention in the article how much it cost to hook up the Blackbird SSS engine from Japan through SOKEN Trading Co. I'm wondering if I have any hope of paying for an imported SR20DET on a student's budget. Thanks.

I'm also wondering how you make sure you get a good engine without a lot of miles on it. The engines must have come out of a car that was once on the road. It would be a real bummer if you went through all the trouble(and money) to import an engine and it started crapping out 6 months down the road.

Also are there any dependability issues associated with the engine. I've heard that though turbo engines are getting better, they are still associated with shorter engine life.

Alright I think that's enough for now. Thanks.

Steve Bielat

Originally posted by kheetar
Hey George:
I just realized you're the guy who put together the P10 SR20DET swap in the SCC I just picked up. First off, thanks for doing so. I found the article very thorough and enlightening and now I want to get a DET in my G20. You didn't mention in the article how much it cost to hook up the Blackbird SSS engine from Japan through SOKEN Trading Co. I'm wondering if I have any hope of paying for an imported SR20DET on a student's budget. Thanks.

I'm also wondering how you make sure you get a good engine without a lot of miles on it. The engines must have come out of a car that was once on the road. It would be a real bummer if you went through all the trouble(and money) to import an engine and it started crapping out 6 months down the road.

Also are there any dependability issues associated with the engine. I've heard that though turbo engines are getting better, they are still associated with shorter engine life.

Alright I think that's enough for now. Thanks.

Steve Bielat

Luke (G22DET) can hook you up with an engine for around 2K. the engine will probably only have around 30,000 km or so. the engine will last AT LEAST 150,000 miles unless you run it to hell. :D

Originally posted by ricecube77
Geo, any chance u can get me a copy of that mag to read in thanksgiving geekout?

You mean to tell me you can't find a copy near you?

I have a bunch of copies and will be buying more, but I'm not parting with them. I have them for family who have requested them, sponsors (to send with a thank-you letter), a couple to cut out and frame, and the rest will go into storage.

Originally posted by kheetar
Hey George:
I just realized you're the guy who put together the P10 SR20DET swap in the SCC I just picked up. First off, thanks for doing so. I found the article very thorough and enlightening and now I want to get a DET in my G20.

Thanks for the kind words Steve.

Originally posted by kheetar
You didn't mention in the article how much it cost to hook up the Blackbird SSS engine from Japan through SOKEN Trading Co. I'm wondering if I have any hope of paying for an imported SR20DET on a student's budget. Thanks.

Prices vary, but expect to pay between $1,300 and $1,700. It's best to shop around a bit, but less so for price and more so for condition. A really good condition engine is easily worth $1,700 and a so-so condition engine probably isn't worth your time for $1,300. The vast majority of DETs are pretty good engines and there have only been one or two duds that I know of people buying. One was a "bargain" special up-front. Not much of a bargain I think.

There are two major things to be concerned about when buying a DET. The first is the condition of the turbo. There shouldn't be any end play in the shaft. If there is any more than barely detectable (and I mean barely), then the turbo will likely need to be rebuilt. In my case, I had a friend in SoCal call me from Soken when he was helping another friend buy a JDM SR20DE. He told me the turbo was sweet. The engine wasn't quite as clean as I wanted but a sweet turbo trumps appearance any day. The second issue is to check the cams if you can. You don't want to see any wear or scortching (sp?) on the cams and absolutley no gunking.

Originally posted by kheetar
I'm also wondering how you make sure you get a good engine without a lot of miles on it. The engines must have come out of a car that was once on the road. It would be a real bummer if you went through all the trouble(and money) to import an engine and it started crapping out 6 months down the road.

See above for how to buy one. The JDM take-outs are mostly around 30-40k miles. It's due to the laws in Japan. Basically after so many years or miles, a car only has scrap value in Japan (after only about 3 years or 30k miles). It has to do with their inspection laws and the cost of keeping an older car is higher in many cases than just buying a new car. So they scrap them and we get slightly used engines here. :)

Originally posted by kheetar
Also are there any dependability issues associated with the engine. I've heard that though turbo engines are getting better, they are still associated with shorter engine life.

Don't sweat the dependablilty issue if you buy a decent engine, change the oil regularly (damn, I just realized I'm over due) and don't just shut it off after running hard (let it idle for a while). I used to be concerned about turbo engines, but much has changed in the last 20 years. I have little worries about them now.

Im not under a rock:finger: ;) ,is very dificult to try to explain what I wont to say ,I just suscribe to SSC I will recibe the december magazine hope soon ,I now the swap it can be done but I was not shore about the blue bird motor ,I can get this motor very sheep here in my country about 1000 dollars ,in our free zone (city I quique ) there are a lot of Japan cars includind skylines 300zx 3000vr4 supras and all of the nice staff from japan ,and almost new!!so that is why I ask this question ,and another thing AznVirus I dont think "all "peolpe wont to do the swap ,Mi plan is to have bouth N/A and turbo ,maybe the other 99%wont a swap:D
thaks for the info anyway
I now my english suck but hope you undertan what I meant ,and write.

Originally posted by jprimera
I now my english suck but hope you undertan what I meant ,and write.

Don't sweat it. Reading your messages is still easier than reading those written in "punk speak."

j00! wOt u z4y1n' b3oTcH? w00t! :silly2:

Originally posted by G-Forces
j00! wOt u z4y1n' b3oTcH? w00t! :silly2: \

lol that was quite easy for me to read actually :bloated:

well, jprimera, i have a DET motor in my P11 so if you have any concerns, let me know. The only thing tha'ts a bit difficult to do is the intercooler piping on the ABS controller side...it's a tough squeez but if you run both IC piping to the battery side (if you relocate the battery to the back) you should be able to fit the pipings in. You might also want to get a slimmer radiator fan because the turbo sits about an inch away from the factory fan..not too ideal for cooling. Other than these concerns, everything else is very straight forward..let me know if you have other questions though.

Thank you very much G22DET, I relly apreciate your help,I will askyou some question when I get my new motor hope ,the first weeks in next year,by the way with motor do you have(bluebird,or gtir?),and wich are the diferens between them (204 hp and the gtir 227?.
thanks again!!.

Hola chileno, Don't worry about u'r english u'r cool!:D

Welcome!

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