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Mike K
05-29-2003, 05:37 PM
I'm trying to install a new cd receiver in a 1993 Chevy Cavalier. I bought a wire harness and the harness has an extra wire, it's orange. The receiver wiring doesn't have an orange wire. Should I just let it alone? Also, how do I get the factory radio out? If nobody knows, I'll just figure it out as I go along. Thanks

Sluttypatton
05-29-2003, 09:08 PM
Aftermarket wiring harnesses wires rarely match the factory wires coulors. Get a wiring diagram for your car and match the proper wires, the colours probably wont match. To get the factory radio out, remove any dash peices needed in order to get to the radio, undo any screws or bolts holding it in, and cut the wires from the factory harness plug. DO NOT cut the tick wire pluged into the back of your stock deck...pull it out, its a plug.

If you don't have a manual for your car, get one...it will have the nescessary wiring diagrams. Or you could find out by trial and error...factory wires are all different colours but here is somewhere to start from:
red - usually 12v constant
yellow - usually 12v switched
Any pair of wires that are the same coulor are almost always speaker wires, one will have stripe on it - the striped wire will be negative. Example: Two wires, pink and pink with white stripe - pink is speaker x positive, pink w white stripe is speaker x negative.
black - almost always ground
Antenna - the big thick plug that you plug into the back of your deck
blue (only on aftermarket decks) - usually remote amp turn on

Thats the best I can do. To be sure, get a manual for your car.

Mike K
05-30-2003, 09:46 PM
Which manual, the one that came with the car, or some other kind? Thanks for the help.

dshel5150
05-30-2003, 11:27 PM
i found this in another post on this forum...goto http://www.carstereohelp.com/stereoremovalChevyCavalier2.htm toward the end of these directions i think it shows you how...hope that helps a little

Sluttypatton
05-31-2003, 05:00 PM
The best manual to use for wiring diagrams would be a Haynes manual...they are very good. You can get them at most auto stores (in Canada, canadian tire stocks them), or order one online.

mtkohl
06-02-2003, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by Mike K
I'm trying to install a new cd receiver in a 1993 Chevy Cavalier. I bought a wire harness and the harness has an extra wire, it's orange. The receiver wiring doesn't have an orange wire. Should I just let it alone? Also, how do I get the factory radio out? If nobody knows, I'll just figure it out as I go along. Thanks

Okay, let back up and ignore everyone else for a sec........you said you bought a wiring harness. Therefore, you are not trying to splice into the car factory wiring are you??? No, otherwise you are defeating the purpose. The stereo you bought comes with its own harness with the NEW AFTERMARKET STEREO PLUG on it, correct?? This harness you bought is supposed to plug into the CARS FACTORY WIRING PLUG correct?? If I'm wrong, ignore me too....but I think our buddies may have misunderstood what the hell is going on. So you have an end for plugging into the new stereo, and an end for plugging into the old factory wiring. These two harnesses connect to EACH OTHER via their independent wires.

That said, yes, it is okay if the orange wire on the HARNESS THAT YOU BOUGHT doesn't connect to anything on the new receiver harness. This wire is for the illumination switch, and not all aftermarket stereos have that. I know that the last two Pioneer stereos I bought didn't have it either. All that wire does is control the dimming of the faceplate as you change the dimming of your dash lights. Thats it.

I think everyone else is trying to talk you through connecting your receiver harness (that came w/ the new stereo) to the factory wiring by hand. I have never done that.....its unnecessary when you can spend 10 to 15 bucks to get the plug-in adapter, which you were smart to do. That way, everything DOES INDEED color coordinate, and you don't have to screw with the retarded wiring scheme chevy came up with (and yes, I put one of those stereos into a '97 Cavi.).


Now, if you don't mind too much, I am going to vent for a second....not at you but at the rest of these electronically imcompentent monkeys. IF YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, QUIT POSTING REPLIES!!!. This is the fifth post of mine this week correcting some idiot on stereo installations. Don't bother posting to this P.O.S. forum if you have stereo questions........consult an expert, or just track me down, cause no one else here (at least no one that replies) seems to know what the fuck they are talking about.

Okay, I'm done. Good luck with your install. Any more questions, don't hesitate to ask. Just don't ask these people that don't know what the hell they are talking about.

:)

mtkohl
06-02-2003, 05:25 PM
Also, if you haven't done so already.....wrap some electrical tape around the end of that extra orange wire as to insulate it. You could potentially short out your lights (and worst case scenario....start a fire in you dash) if the bare wire comes into contact with a ground somewhere behind the dash. Good luck:)

Mike K
06-02-2003, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by mtkohl


Okay, let back up and ignore everyone else for a sec........you said you bought a wiring harness. Therefore, you are not trying to splice into the car factory wiring are you??? No, otherwise you are defeating the purpose. The stereo you bought comes with its own harness with the NEW AFTERMARKET STEREO PLUG on it, correct?? This harness you bought is supposed to plug into the CARS FACTORY WIRING PLUG correct?? If I'm wrong, ignore me too....but I think our buddies may have misunderstood what the hell is going on. So you have an end for plugging into the new stereo, and an end for plugging into the old factory wiring. These two harnesses connect to EACH OTHER via their independent wires.

That said, yes, it is okay if the orange wire on the HARNESS THAT YOU BOUGHT doesn't connect to anything on the new receiver harness. This wire is for the illumination switch, and not all aftermarket stereos have that. I know that the last two Pioneer stereos I bought didn't have it either. All that wire does is control the dimming of the faceplate as you change the dimming of your dash lights. Thats it.

I think everyone else is trying to talk you through connecting your receiver harness (that came w/ the new stereo) to the factory wiring by hand. I have never done that.....its unnecessary when you can spend 10 to 15 bucks to get the plug-in adapter, which you were smart to do. That way, everything DOES INDEED color coordinate, and you don't have to screw with the retarded wiring scheme chevy came up with (and yes, I put one of those stereos into a '97 Cavi.).


Now, if you don't mind too much, I am going to vent for a second....not at you but at the rest of these electronically imcompentent monkeys. IF YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, QUIT POSTING REPLIES!!!. This is the fifth post of mine this week correcting some idiot on stereo installations. Don't bother posting to this P.O.S. forum if you have stereo questions........consult an expert, or just track me down, cause no one else here (at least no one that replies) seems to know what the fuck they are talking about.

Okay, I'm done. Good luck with your install. Any more questions, don't hesitate to ask. Just don't ask these people that don't know what the hell they are talking about.

:)

Thanks, that clears up alot of things. Yes, I did buy a harness and the new receiver does have a plug for itself. If I can find my damn wrenches I can hopefully get it installed tomorrow. Thanks again. I'll be sure to insulate that extra wire.:) Making the connections with electrical tape should be good enough right?

mtkohl
06-02-2003, 08:35 PM
Yes, definitely. Just wrap the end a couple of times. I apologize again for using your post to vent......but then again I wasn't about to let someone else make something so damn simple more complicated than it needs to be.

How is it going taking the dash and stuff apart. I know that on my '97 it wasn't hard, but took some time just cause there was so much to remove. Plus I had a security system with a little LED in the dash that meant I couldn't pull the dash too far from where it was. You want a fun job on that car though??? Try replacing the rear speakers in that are in that rear deck. If you want to drop them into place like you are supposed to, you have to more or less dissect the entire rear of the car. I had to take the seat out, then both rear plastic sides, then the deck top of the rear deck........then custom fit my 6 1/2" speakers in the 6x9 holes.....then put it all back together again. Made for a fun afternoon.

Again, good luck. If you need anything, like I said, I've done a bunch of stereos, and that includes the Cavi. Laters

mtkohl
06-02-2003, 08:41 PM
Oh, crap...I read your reply wrong about insulating the connections. I thought you meant just that orange wire. Well, make sure to cover the end of that wire definitely. But ya, you can insulate all of your connections with tape too, but be very careful about how you connect the wires. If you are just gonna twist em and tape em, make sure they are secure. I suppose you probably don't have much experience with soldering, but that is the best way to connect them. What I did on my new Dakota, and this is just me, I soldered each wire together, then covered all the connection with heat-shrink tubing. I get kinda anal that way.

But in my old Cavi, I just twisted them togther tight, and then shrink-wrapped em. I just like the heat-shrink better than tape cause it doesn't tend to peel off or leave sticky shit all over. You can get it relatively cheap at an auto parts store or even Home Depot. Just my suggestion. You don't want an inferior install in your nice car.:)

Most importantly, just make sure they are all tight, and insulated well.

AirAllen01
06-02-2003, 08:50 PM
If you're gonna connect two wires, then spend the extra few dollars it will take to buy screw connectors. It's what they're made for. All you do is twist the wires once or twice and then stick the connector on and twist it. It will twist the wires for you and hold them together, while keeping the connections insulated. You can find them at any hardware store, or stereo shop. Good luck.

mtkohl
06-02-2003, 11:33 PM
Ya, those work good too.:)

The only reason I would hesitate is that the screw-on connectors get kinda bulky when you get like 10 of em bunched up and they tend to get caught on stuff. But if you are willing to accept/deal with that then those are a good alternative.

SolTheHoelessPimp
06-02-2003, 11:59 PM
another good way is to get the shrink wire insulator, you slide it ove one wire, connect the two, then slide it over the connection, apply a little heat, then you got a tight waterproof connection.

Mike K
06-03-2003, 05:16 PM
Thanks for all the replies. I just took the radio out, alot easier than I thought. Took about 5 seconds.:) I connected the wiring harness and everything and it all works. Except I think I need an antenna adapter, is this true? It doesn't fit anywhere. Also I had to get a size adapter and I can't figure out how to attach the radio mounting bracket to it. Can I just screw it on? Thanks

Sluttypatton
06-04-2003, 12:30 AM
By the way, mtkohl, calling me an "electronically imcompentent monkey" is ridiculous. Try installing a cd player in any other car, the aftermarket wiring harness must often be spliced onto the factory one...very few i have had have come with an adaptor plug. Go to an intallation place and see if they connect it with a plug or with crimp connectors. I have worked A&B sound as a car audio installer, and I think that outburst was uncalled for, I find it very offensive that you call me incompetent. I am quite knowledgeable in car audio and almost all of the cd players I have installed must be connected by cutting and crimping, not simply pluging in a plug. I geusse I did misunderstand him when he said he had a wiring harness, but the vast majority of aftermarket wiring harnesses must be connected with crimp connectors. I am glad you were able to better answer his question, but I think your outburst was completely uncalled for. From what I understood I thought he meant he was using the wiring harness that comes with the cd player and must be spliced on.

Sluttypatton
06-04-2003, 12:41 AM
http://www.caraudioandelectronics.com/yho/kenwood12pin.jpg

Note the precut wires, so the insolation can be pulled off. I am aware of the two plug types but I though he was talking about the wiring harnesses that come with the cd player. Anyways, mtkohl, you seem to have understood the question better than me and therefor answered it better.
I now realize you were talking about this kind of wiring harness.
http://www.caraudioandelectronics.com/yho/jvc13pin.jpg
But the first kind is far more common when we install stereos at work.

Please don't slap me in the face by calling me an idiot.

Sluttypatton
06-04-2003, 12:54 AM
By size adaptor you mean mounting kit, right? All of the adaptors we use are made by a company called Metra, and come with instructions, and these kits attach differently for different cars. So the way your kit will attach will be different, if I am (again) misunderstanding you just ignore me but I believe you are talking about something like this... http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/892891Kit.jpg
Most kits come with instruction booklets like this...
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/179686Intruction.jpg
If yours didn't (maybe mtkohl will know about this one) I would just ask the store you bought it from how that kit attaches to you car, as every kit attaches differently.

Sorry if I'm way off base again.

Shortbus
06-04-2003, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by Sluttypatton
By size adaptor you mean mounting kit, right? All of the adaptors we use are made by a company called Metra, and come with instructions, and these kits attach differently for different cars. So the way your kit will attach will be different, if I am (again) misunderstanding you just ignore me but I believe you are talking about something like this... C:\Documents and Settings\Jim Patten\Desktop\Kit.jpg
Most kits come with instruction booklets like this...
C:\Documents and Settings\Jim Patten\My Documents\Intruction.jpg
If yours didn't (maybe mtkohl will know about this one) I would just ask the store you bought it from how that kit attaches to you car, as every kit attaches differently.

Sorry if I'm way off base again.


Upload the images here. I just see red x's

www.automotiveforums.com/upload

You can't attach them from your C drive.


mtkohl : chill out dude

All post's are welcome here.

Shortbus
06-04-2003, 01:54 AM
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Mike K
06-04-2003, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by Sluttypatton
By size adaptor you mean mounting kit, right? All of the adaptors we use are made by a company called Metra, and come with instructions, and these kits attach differently for different cars. So the way your kit will attach will be different, if I am (again) misunderstanding you just ignore me but I believe you are talking about something like this...
Most kits come with instruction booklets like this...

If yours didn't (maybe mtkohl will know about this one) I would just ask the store you bought it from how that kit attaches to you car, as every kit attaches differently.

Sorry if I'm way off base again.

Yes, I mean a mounting kit, just didn't know what to call it.;) I installed it a few minutes ago and I guess I'll wait to get an antenna adapter and just listen to cd's for now. But I'm worried that it is too easy for someone to steal it. It slides right out without taking any of the dash apart if you use some force.

mtkohl
06-05-2003, 11:15 AM
Holy crap...........my intention wasn't to piss anyone off (and there are a few of you). I was just getting annoyed with so-called "expertise."
Just a point of fact.........EVERY stereo I have ever installed has been done with an adapter/wiring harness. I don't know for a fact that one exists for EVERY car, but I am guessing that somewhere they do. This is why I don't let "professionals" install stuff in my car. My advice, call Crutchfield......they will give you everything you need to install any stereo they sell FOR FREE.....including the wiring adapter harness and installation/mounting kit......and an antenna adapter if so requirerd. Regardless, I apologize for getting out of line.

Anyway, like he said, you should have an installation kit that mates your aftermarket stereo to the stereo opening in the car. Makes the whole thing look like it was factory installed. If not, get one. Should have clear instructions....its not hard at all. If not let me know. Or if it is really loose let me know. And yes, all GM cars require an antenna adapter, which most stereo retailers will sell you for 5 to 10 bucks.

mtkohl
06-05-2003, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by Sluttypatton
http://www.caraudioandelectronics.com/yho/kenwood12pin.jpg

Note the precut wires, so the insolation can be pulled off. I am aware of the two plug types but I though he was talking about the wiring harnesses that come with the cd player. Anyways, mtkohl, you seem to have understood the question better than me and therefor answered it better.
I now realize you were talking about this kind of wiring harness.
http://www.caraudioandelectronics.com/yho/jvc13pin.jpg
But the first kind is far more common when we install stereos at work.

Please don't slap me in the face by calling me an idiot.

I want to apologize personally to you as well. Sorry.
However, neither of these pictures you show are what we are talking about either. What Mike purchased was a harness that attaches to ANY aftermarket plug. If you look at your second picture, imagine that it was two pieces, not just one. The larger white plug on the left is the part he was talking about. ALmost every stereo store I have been to sells them for nearly every make/model of car. Now that is just the CAR end of it. The reciever end is whatever came with the reciever. You just attach the two together (and they are all color coded....which is why I was so annoyed), then plug in the respective ends. What is really handy is that not only do you not have to go around with a multi-meter checking wires, but if you decide to sell the car and keep your nice stereo, its just a matter of unplugging it and plugging the old one back in (since you didn't mutilate any of the factory wires). I have never seen a pre-fabricated factory-to-aftermarket harness. I'm sure they exist, but it was probably easier just to make the one end that was universal to connect to any aftermarket plug.

Again, sorry for blasting you. You are right......I was out of line.

Sluttypatton
06-05-2003, 11:47 PM
No problem.

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