Fender Flares

We all have seen the HUGE fender flares that Aromocki runs. I have a set of those and they are just way too large unless you are planning on widening your track front and rear. I was going to modify those flares but Wes Werling came up with a much smaller and nicer solution.

Attached is a picture of his car with them installed. I got my set and will work on installing them over the next couple of weekends (I have a Vegas trip coming up and I dont race in the heat of summer in south Florida so I am not in a rush). I will post pictures when I get it done. Wes has molds and can easily set you up if you want a set.

Check them out:
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Thannks for the post Brian. The picture is from Laguna Seca, so the flares have been race tested. If any one would like a set you can reach me at 619-559-0968 or [email protected]

OK...still have some fitment to do with the plastic gasket/trim but they are basically installed. To remove the hood you undo a screw (like the hood screws) and the flares go with the hood. I have not raced with them yet but soon enough..... These are easily reproduced and the fit was pretty good. I might not paint them...cant decide

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Brian. I think the flares look good on your car in black.

Hey man, that looks pretty sharp! Of course I'm not looking at the live product but it looks like the black is going to match the black curvy stripes painted on the car. I like em. I guess that bottom attachment is actually a threaded pin so you can get the hood off?

ok....I think black it is....no painting or vinyl...I like it! :-)

The bottom attachment is a Southco fastner like the GTS uses on the trunk and upper hood attachments.

they look good, are they ABS or Glass? I might be picking up a set soon!

Glass

Are you adding lovers to your hood?

Yes....first pictures shows them taped on. Cutting and installing this weekend. Need to try and help oil temps at Daytona. With the car on the rev limiter oil temps climbed to 260 and I started feathering which cost me the win. If I could get some extra help that would be nice plus I think they will add some downforce which cant hurt.

Flares look great Brian. What are the louvres you are using?

Also on my to do list now we are clocking 250+kph down the straights at my local track and pushing oil temp up around 240 - 260 degs (swapped to Royal Purple synthetic now as a result).

Will be interested to see if you pick up any down force. Perhaps a duct from the base of the radiator deflecting airflow up towards the louvres would also help.

On another note (no pun intended) we hit 108db on the sound meter with the new engine so in the middle of installing some custom race mufflers. Real tight squeeze as doing in twin 3" down the passengers side and mufflers are 22" long.

Kel.

Yes....first pictures shows them taped on. Cutting and installing this weekend. Need to try and help oil temps at Daytona. With the car on the rev limiter oil temps climbed to 260 and I started feathering which cost me the win. If I could get some extra help that would be nice plus I think they will add some downforce which cant hurt.

What type of lower deflector do you think I should make? Considering I ran almost 300kph (182mph confirmed) at daytona my engine temps where climbing. My engine builder says 280deg. is ok with 4 gallons of mobil 1 15w-50 but he is biased (sure break the motor and bring it to me to rebuild for you).

What type of lower deflector do you think I should make? Considering I ran almost 300kph (182mph confirmed) at daytona my engine temps where climbing. My engine builder says 280deg. is ok with 4 gallons of mobil 1 15w-50 but he is biased (sure break the motor and bring it to me to rebuild for you).

I would put in a duct that channels the air from the radiator up towards vents in the bonnet across the front of the engine. The duct would curve up from the bottom of the radiator and ideally would have sides and a top to channel radiator air up and out of the engine bay.

What are the vents that you are looking at using that are taped to the bonnet?

Best I could find searching the internet. I had found other stuff with larger vents but they were all just too large.

I got 2 pairs of medium hi-flow louvers from:
http://www.hoodlouvers.com/products.html

IF I channel the incoming radiator air up to the hood vents then wont that reduce the engine cooling since the air isn't flowing into the engine? My water temps have never been a problem.

The surgery is going to happen today I think....so not much time to turn back.

In order to vent the air out of the radiator there should be an opening at the front lower portiion of the hood close to the point where the hood slides under the front bumper, some type of sheet metal or alum would do the trick it should go from the bottom of the rad. to the bottom side of the hood wherre the opening is located. Many race cars have this type of opening, look at a currrent GT-Ford for example or many of the Can Am cars or IMSA cars. Air coming into the engine compartment thur the radiator acts as a parachut, it needs to exit some where. Just my opinion.

If you look at the first picture of the yellow car the vents should be on both sides of the hood where the # 15 is located.

@ Werling....That would put the vent on either side of the radiator shroud. I don't think that would vent any of the radiator. If you layout the radiator on the hood the back side of the radiator is located beyond the center hood bulge roughly 6" +/-. So the vents need to be where you and I both placed the center pair of vents. The only thing I am considering is building the shroud to connect the radiator directly to the vented area.

In order to vent the air out of the radiator there should be an opening at the front lower portiion of the hood close to the point where the hood slides under the front bumper, some type of sheet metal or alum would do the trick it should go from the bottom of the rad. to the bottom side of the hood wherre the opening is located. Many race cars have this type of opening, look at a currrent GT-Ford for example or many of the Can Am cars or IMSA cars. Air coming into the engine compartment thur the radiator acts as a parachut, it needs to exit some where. Just my opinion.

Yes agree with above on the "parachute" comment. The air comes in through the radiator and hits the engine mass and slows as it looks for a way out. Idea is to dflect the air up just in front of the engine and out through the bonnet. This is normally via a large opening which is either completely open or has a large lovre set up (due volume of air).

The louvres you are fitting will do some of the job as they will relieve any high pressure areas resulting from the air flow slowing as it hits the engine mass.

I am going to look at this over the off season (April next year) and as part of fitting a flat bottom and Ford GT diffusers that I have already purchased.

Kel.

Brian. You are right the openings need to be behind the radiator, I may attemp to build what I think would work so the air coming thur the radiator will just move up and out close to the front of the hood.

Brian & kel send me your emails address & I will send you pictures of what I am talking about.

thats where my vent is! :-D

Did the vent lower oil temps? Where did you get that vent?

The vent is from a GT-500, I cut it to size(took about 6" out of the middle) Seems to have lowered oil temps, although I never ran TOO hot anyway, and the motor runs nice and cool, and cuts down on some of the hood buffeting.

I have the last set of virgin fender flares for sale, look like the pictures of Brian's call 619-559-0968 or werling @ aol.com to order

If you look at the first picture of the yellow car the vents should be on both sides of the hood where the # 15 is located.

Wes, did you get a chance to measure any underbonnet pressures prior to selecting the location of the hood vents? I am looking at this mod prior to upcoming NZ Endurance champs and want to make sure pacement is optimal.

Post fitment could you discern any reduction in water or oil temps?

Thanks, Kel.

I put the ventss where I though they would work best without any real research, I think they have help reduce temps but I did not due a before or after test to see the difference. One thing I can tell you is that the vents are real hot at the end of a 30 min. race.

I put the ventss where I though they would work best without any real research, I think they have help reduce temps but I did not due a before or after test to see the difference. One thing I can tell you is that the vents are real hot at the end of a 30 min. race.

Thanks for the feedback Wes.

Kel.

Brian did you notice any difference with the hood events when you ran at Daytona? From the video it looks like your hood and windshield are not moving the way the did in previous videos. What is the verdict on the hood vents?

Well....Things are much more stable since I welded in 4 supports and made custom bent beefy "T" braces at three locations for the windshield. So that eliminated that issue. Since I am having overheating issues that are new I am not sure on the cooling properties of the vents. On the aero properties I would say absolutely. I was on the rev limiter much earlier than previously and my lap times dropped right away from my last time there in May. It was cooler so that will also help but I felt like I was getting to top speed much easier. Without data I cannot prove it but my seat of the pants has lead me this far so I think its calibrated :-)

Getting ready to do another run of fender flares. If you are running bigger tires than stock you should look at getting a set of fender flares to dress up your Panoz. Email or call Les at [email protected] or phone 619-559-0968. Thank you.