Bossolani's Buffing Wheel :)

Hey All,

In this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd5mkDbiEig), Bossolani shows us his mad skills on how to polish the finished paint job.

However, I cannot find anywhere on the net where to buy this particular bit. I have the Dremel Hand tool but not the bit. Anyone know where I can get one of those buffing bits?

Thanks
Wolvy

RUN IN PHEAR!!! :uhoh:

You will ruin bodies this way. I certainly have. :crying:

The difference in time between smoothly polishing the clearcoat to burning a hole through the clear, the paint, the primer, and into the plastic can happen faster then you can react to it. A flat, gently domed bonnet is relatively easy- but on anything with edges and corners, it is all too easy to melt plastic.

Thanks :) but if Bossolani can do it then I'm sure I can too.

So do you know where I can get it?

The video mentions that he uses a dimmer in order to achieve a low rotation speed of approx. 800 rpm. Make sure you use one as otherwise a dremel or similar tool has speeds of 5000 to 15000 rpm and at that speed you would certainly ruin the part.
And most important is to test on scrap before applying the method on a model.

Try to PM him.. he sell all those materials used during the polishing video

I did PM him. He said he got it on ebay. but I can't find it on ebay.

What are you looking for?? dimmer or polish tool?? cause if it's the dimmer, he didn't bought on ebay, well.. not really.. he bought on a Brazilian ebay version.. if it's the polish tool then.. yes he sell it..

I have the tool :) I am looking for this buffing bit. and the dimmer of course.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/bossolani/Magnum/magnum_45.jpg

Aha, yes.. he sell this tool.. try to contact him, the dimmer, i think that would be easier for you to find something closer to your house.. just to clarify.. we are brazilian :) we are a little bit far from you :)

Regards

That tool doesn't do anything a finger and a rag can't do.
Also, i should point out that i can see that the paint looks like it has already been previously sanded down completely smooth before he put the buffing wheel to it.
When paint is prepared like that for a final finish, it doesn't actually take much work to get it perfectly gloss anyway so that immediately puts doubt in my mind to any benefit over the traditional way.

Thanks Cris :) I have PM'd him again and we are now in contact.

That tool doesn't do anything a finger and a rag can't do.
Also, i should point out that i can see that the paint looks like it has already been previously sanded down completely smooth before he put the buffing wheel to it.
When paint is prepared like that for a final finish, it doesn't actually take much work to get it perfectly gloss anyway so that immediately puts doubt in my mind to any benefit over the traditional way.

Believe me, it's save a lot of time and effort, results can be almost, i said almost the same, but the time and effort .. it's much less..

And also it's nothing more than what people use to do in cars 1:1 but now .. in scale. :)

Thats exactly why I want it :) to save me time and effort. Why spend more time on something when you don't need to.

That tool doesn't do anything a finger and a rag can't do.
Also, i should point out that i can see that the paint looks like it has already been previously sanded down completely smooth before he put the buffing wheel to it.
When paint is prepared like that for a final finish, it doesn't actually take much work to get it perfectly gloss anyway so that immediately puts doubt in my mind to any benefit over the traditional way.

If you have severe arthritis like I do, I'll take any advantage I can get...:tongue:

That tool doesn't do anything a finger and a rag can't do.
Also, i should point out that i can see that the paint looks like it has already been previously sanded down completely smooth before he put the buffing wheel to it.
When paint is prepared like that for a final finish, it doesn't actually take much work to get it perfectly gloss anyway so that immediately puts doubt in my mind to any benefit over the traditional way.

Yes, I agree with you. We can do with a finger and a rag.

Actually I'm don't looking for perfectly gloss or shine, this is easy... I'm looking for a perfect finish without sanding scratch... I can't do this without my rotary tool. Believe in me... I'm doing the same polishing process since 2002. A few days ago I added a another external dimmer wich reduces my rotary tool from 5000rpm to 800rpm... Now I can much more if we compare with my last jobs.

Doesn't miracle... Actually needs some pratice, patience and I have no fear to lost my job if any damage or mistake. Otherwise, certain you'll fry your paint job.

I don't need show anything what I do or did on forums or youtube... I do that because it will help some modelers to make our hobby more easy, more pleasure, more fast with better results. I don't make money with this and don't selling my tech for any magazine... It's free, buddy. I do because I like!

Try it on a junkyard model... tell me what you think after done.

Regards.

Cesar

Doesn't miracle... Actually needs some pratice, patience and I have no fear to lost my job if any damage or mistake. Otherwise, certain you'll fry your paint job.

actually, i think this is the bit i am trying to warn people about.
it's too easy for someone to see a video of an experienced modeller do something with a tool and then think that it is the tool that gets the result when all credit should be going to the modeller.

as you say, you will fry your model if it goes wrong.
incidentally, i have tried this with a regular dremel which went badly.
i just found the weight of the dremel to be too much of a hindrance and never felt like in proper control.

I agree again!!! Actually isn't hard to do... The results are a combination between tool and operator... For anything... a lathe, a paint gun, a car, or a video game...

Pratice takes to perfection...

Before I did purchased my lathe, I never used an before... I search for plenty of videos about how to make rings (for my rims), tappered (for my pulleys). When it arrived from USA I was train. I never studied machinist or engeneering... Actually I'm doing law school. But I'm trying and trying... Someday will be easy machining to me... not today...

For polishing job with rotary tool it's the same.... A few years ago I tried... fried some jobs.. mistake and damages can be happen anytime. So, needs patience, care and some pratice. And pratice comes doing.

I can, anyone can, everybody can! Risks exists, for sure... On paint job also, on final assembly also, on carry our models to a contest also...

This video was did in 2009 I haven't dimmer to reduce my rotary tool... It's 5000rpm... no sountrack, so you could listen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8R69H_gSsw&feature=related

Finished job

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/bossolani/mini/mini_40.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/bossolani/mini/mini_45.jpg

It was prized award theme on IPMS-Campinas contest in 2009... It's a curbside between a lot of models with engine...

http://www.grupogpc.com.br/hobby/plastimodelismo/campinas/xivat.html

Nice words bro!!! I apreciate that!! Thanks !!

Cesar

i have issues with hand pain this might work to my advantage :eek7:

i just found the weight of the dremel to be too much of a hindrance and never felt like in proper control.That's why you get yourself one of these for better control :)

http://www.dremel.com/en-us/AttachmentsAndAccessories/Pages/AttachmentsDetail.aspx?pid=225-01

Description:
Tight spots, nooks, and corners - they're all easily within reach when you add the 225 Flex-Shaft Attachment to a corded rotary tool or the 10.8V Lithium-ion Cordless. The flexible, 36" shaft attaches easily and adds a new level of versatility to your project capabilities, with fingertip control for polishing, wood carving, sanding, engraving and more.

Maybe but you should know that when Dremel talk about polishing, they're talking more about polishing hard materials but yeah, that would probably make a difference.
Then again, I don't find sanding+polishing that time consuming and I'm relatively happy with what I do with my finger and a rag so I'd say that this is still not for me.

By the way, there's a UK based ebay seller that stocks the soft wool polishing pads as "Dremel Soft Wool Polishing Mop".
have a look.

Very interesting post and discission, as alwys here in AF.
But I missed something.
It this polishing process, you don't need to smooth the surface (or defend orange peel) with the Micromeshes?
Or, it's only replaces the rubbing stage (with the compounds) of polishing prcess?
In additional this Perfect-it Prenium compound, can be founded in Europe.
Thanks for your time...

By the way, there's a UK based ebay seller that stocks the soft wool polishing pads as "Dremel Soft Wool Polishing Mop".
have a look. OMG! Thank you! I can't believe someone actually sells this. i have looked EVERYWHERE! :)

Very interesting post and discission, as alwys here in AF.
But I missed something.
It this polishing process, you don't need to smooth the surface (or defend orange peel) with the Micromeshes?
Or, it's only replaces the rubbing stage (with the compounds) of polishing prcess?
In additional this Perfect-it Prenium compound, can be founded in Europe.
Thanks for your time...I'm not sure I understand what you are asking :)

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking :)

i think he wants to know if he can skip the cutting process for that i say its a no, you still have to cut the orange peel. this is just the final rubdown sped up.

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking :)
I 'm again for a second try... :iceslolan
Firstly the easy... Can I found this 3m product (the polish compound) in Europe?
Secodly about the polishing process.
In most of cases, I make the polishing process in three steps. Sanding, rubbing and waxing.
Sanding : Using micromesh or fine sanding paper (2000 - 12000 grid) I smooth the surface.
Rubbing : Using tamiya compounds I polished the surface
Waxing : Applying a car or modelling wax for extra shine and protection.

Now, my quenstion is : if the proccess you describe, are replace the 1 and 2 steps or is an easiest way to applying compounds.
Or in different words, if I had orange peel in a paint job, this application with the dremmel tool can smooth and polish the surface, to a nice finish.
Thanks for your time.

No, this only replace this step: "Rubbing : Using tamiya compounds I polished the surface"

It just makes it quicker :)

No, this only replace this step: "Rubbing : Using tamiya compounds I polished the surface"

It just makes it quicker :)
Thanks a lot...

about scratches that come from olishing with compound.
you have to be careful about how much compound you use.
if there is too much, it can clump up under your polishing cloth and it is sometimes the excessive compound that is "biting" into the paint surface.

i made my dimmer box it works great with the rotary tool i got but i cant find that polishing bit you use

Courtesy of drunken monkey :)

Dremel Soft Wool Polishing Mop 3.2mm 1/8" (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dremel-Soft-Wool-Polishing-Mop-3-2mm-1-8-/400125202802?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item5d29521172)

When you say you made your dimmer box, can you explain a bit more?

Guys;

Sanding process wich I doing are grit #1200, #2000, #5 esponge pad, #6000.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/bossolani/Magnum/magnum_42.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/bossolani/Magnum/magnum_43.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/bossolani/Magnum/magnum_44.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/bossolani/Magnum/magnum_45.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/bossolani/Magnum/magnum_46.jpg


Compound from 3M... actually you could use anyone water based... with rotary tool.

With my fingers applying car wax water based... any brand...

So, I'm finishing with Tamiya wax.... with fingers also.

http://www.hiroboy.com/catalog/images/tam87036.jpg?osCsid=360c5893bcbca60c0d3df1e60c1386 51

It's a simple sequence... great results you can obtain.

Cheers!!!

Cesar

Thanks Cesar :)

For those of us in the USA I found this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/36PCS-1-SOFT-WOOL-POLISHING-WHEELS-DREMEL-MC12-/360264053779

OMG!! $26.99 for 1 ....thats ridiculous!

This page shows it costs next to nothing for one.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/272554868/Mini_Buffing_Wheel.html

I know it is in-bulk but if you had to reduce it down to 1 at a time, it is definitely not $26.99. :P

try again

36 pieces

For those of us in the USA I found this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/36PCS-1-SOFT-WOOL-POLISHING-WHEELS-DREMEL-MC12-/360264053779

Nice price bro... Much less than brazilian retailer. Bit which I using are made in brazil... 100% cotton.

Buy it.

Cesar

For those of us in the USA I found this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/36PCS-1-SOFT-WOOL-POLISHING-WHEELS-DREMEL-MC12-/360264053779

i bought the 20pc sampler from him wasnt a bad deal either

Courtesy of drunken monkey :)

Dremel Soft Wool Polishing Mop 3.2mm 1/8" (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dremel-Soft-Wool-Polishing-Mop-3-2mm-1-8-/400125202802?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item5d29521172)

When you say you made your dimmer box, can you explain a bit more?

its used to slow down the rpms in rotary tools. ive read online that doing this damages rotary tools with variable speed settings so using youre dremel with this box will definetly damage it in the long run. i opted to buy a cheap rotary tool with no speed settings and use my dremel with that its also small enough and nimble that it wont fly off your hands or tire it out.
this is what im starting with and ordered the bits from the ebay link above.
http://www.harborfreight.com/80-piece-rotary-tool-kit-97626.html

heres what i mean by dimmer box system i spent 20$ total for everything you see here. however i cant show anyone here how its assembled as i assembled mine with the help from my uncle who is a electrician and told me not to do so.
http://i.imgur.com/9zAJE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/i4y8G.jpg

try again

36 pieces

Whew! I don't know how I missed that. :)

told me not to do so.You mean he told you not to use a dimmer cause it will damage it?

I'm a little concerned between the wool and cotton. Won't the 2 different materials have a completely different heat dissipation reaction? Won't wool be MORE heat than cotton? These 2 images show 2 very different materials:

http://www.blattsbargains.com/prod_images_small/BZRogTQB2kKGrHgoH-EEjlLlyKFGBKl4m92o9_12.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/bossolani/Magnum/magnum_45.jpg

You mean he told you not to use a dimmer cause it will damage it?

no he told me not to show you guys how it was assembled because he doesnt want anyone holding me responsible should someone without electrical experience should get hurt.

on other forums it said that using a dimmer on a multispeed dremel will damage it. my rotary tool isnt multispeed its on/off.

Bossolanis, Rotary tool is multispeed but its on/off operated not variable on/off

hmmm this must be why mine isnt working properly.

Mine is a multispeed dremel. :( so it is very unstable. So we learn hey :)

Dremel actually made one themselves for their multi-tools but I gather it is long out of production.
You may be lucky and come across one on auction sites but well, buyer beware on old items.


just had a further look and it looks like it's now part and parcel of this (http://www.dremeleurope.com/dremelocs-uk/category/2720/dremel%C2%AE-fortiflex%E2%84%A2) new(?) tool.

Bossolanis, Rotary tool is multispeed but its on/off operated not variable on/off

Yes, it is.... but I using in "max" speed on rotary tool... External dimmer will regulated low speeds 0~30.000rpm....

My b&d is like as this:

http://www.newtoolnews.com/images/rotary/rtx1_toolshot.gif

speed are 1~6... With external dimmer I'd used 6... no vibrations, no damage... If I change to speed 5, for exemple, won't work.... I do my adjusts on external dimmer...

Dremel actually made one themselves for their multi-tools but I gather it is long out of production.
You may be lucky and come across one on auction sites but well, buyer beware on old items.

just had a further look and it looks like it's now part and parcel of this (http://www.dremeleurope.com/dremelocs-uk/category/2720/dremel%C2%AE-fortiflex%E2%84%A2) new(?) tool.I wish i had seen this before I bought my dremel. I will now try and sell my dremel and get one of these rather :) Thanks again monkey.

Boss, do you have to first switch your B&D off before you change the speed setting on the rotary tool or can you do it "on the fly"?

Brett I was uploaded a new video for you guys try to understand... I'd use speed 6 on rotary tool and adjust dimmer pitch only. The white piece are ac adaptor, cause my rotary tool is from US... Black piece are dimmer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVKzY30ZpRA

It's really easy to use.

Let me know what you think guys. This video was made to you guys.


Cesar

tx cesar, that's extremely helpful. :)

I wish i had seen this before I bought my dremel. I will now try and sell my dremel and get one of these rather :) Thanks again monkey.

I'm not sure I could justify spending £250 on a bit kit just for the final polishing.
Of course, that could just be because I am insane Paint Polishing God!
I only need to look at paint and the orange peel drops off.
No lie.
It just shivers and falls away with a slight wimpering noise.
I'd video it for you guys to see but that involves looking at it and by that time, it's already gone.

I'm not sure I could justify spending ZAR2,847 on a bit kit just for the final polishing.
Of course, that could just be because I am insane Paint Polishing God!
I only need to look at paint and the orange peel drops off.
No lie.
It just shivers and falls away with a slight wimpering noise.
I'd video it for you guys to see but that involves looking at it and by that time, it's already gone.
BWAHAHA! You honestly made me laugh at this.....very funny monkey you :) hehe

im not gonna deny the results :sunglasse this was polished at around 400 rpm with a shammy bit then cleaned off with a cotton bit. only used tamiya coarse, meguiars compound, then hand waxed with the treatment.
and no this truck wasnt shinny when i got it
http://i.imgur.com/mGkgo.jpg

So you used Bossolani's method then? Wow! Thats excellent results!! Did you use the same cotton bit from the ebay link you posted?

So you used Bossolani's method then? Wow! Thats excellent results!! Did you use the same cotton bit from the ebay link you posted?

yup and yup, but i used a bit to rub down the paint and the cotton for final polishing.

so i decided to turn one of my old builds into lab rat project, i say the paint on this is 7 or 8 years old now with hand done pinstripping. it was a glossy paint job when it was first finished but years and years of dust took a tool on it,it has minor orange peel something im not really concerned in fixing on it but i need to get that old gloss back out of it. figure if i wreck it i can redo it again or build a new one i have 130 built cars whats one missing of the shelf gonna do. i hit it with compound,tamiya fine and the treatment wax.

http://i.imgur.com/2FrLJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hUw0B.jpg
i started with the hood, you can see its pretty faded and dull.
http://i.imgur.com/YpxV0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3Os4c.jpg

heres the hood after the Bossolani method
http://i.imgur.com/mvFwX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/z9PqU.jpg

Damn :) thats nice! I like the fact that we are starting to coin "the Bossolani method" :)

He will be proud.... hehe

Damn :) thats nice! I like the fact that we are starting to coin "the Bossolani method" :)

He will be proud.... hehe

i considered polishing a stupid chore and the fact that my hands would be sore the next day from it wasnt any better so i avoided it by switching to urethane clears tho its nicer they could be shinier in the long run. after trying this method i feel like my paintjobs will be getting a lot better in the near future.:smokin:

Anything that will make our lives easier, I say why not!

Damn :) thats nice! I like the fact that we are starting to coin "the Bossolani method" :)

He will be proud.... hehe

Yes, I'm proud!!!


Lownslow, did you had some difficulty in the process?Thanks to show us!!

Cesar

Yes, I'm proud!!!


Lownslow, did you had some difficulty in the process?Thanks to show us!!

Cesar

nope none at all:sunglasse

ill let the result speak for itself.
http://i.imgur.com/lmuYl.jpg