GM: Bring back the Geo

Why not? The Metro is still known for its ridiculously great gas mileage. Sure, Chevy has released the Volt and the Cruze Eco, but I'm still VERY unimpressed with GM. They need to dump Hummer, slim down the Cadillac line, and maybe even get rid of the GMC line entirely. I know they'll never get rid of GMC, because people prefer GMC to Chevy, even though they're the same.

I think a car company focused PURELY on fuel economy would be most beneficial. I think SMART may be the only car company to do so, and we all know those don't tailor to everybody. They should focus on cars that get no less than 28mpg city/40mpg hwy.

Just a random rant. What do y'all think?

that is a really good thing and i know alot of people should look at that but now a days everybody want a hot sexy car thats fast really

i have a geo prizm and i love that car really

i have a geo prizm and i love that car really

The Prizm is a Toyota Corolla. ;)

Really, though, Geo had it right. Except with the Storm; dunno what happened there. Haha.

Everyone wants a sexy car, yes. Have you seen the Fiesta? Or, an even better example, the Nissan Leaf Nismo? Quite sexy. I had a Honda Fit Sport and it was definitely a sharp car! And I got 45mpg on one tank.

But more and more people are desiring back-to-basics cars that get great mileage.

The Geo's were all just re-badged Suzuki's or Toyota's.
Why not take the Suzuki brand to the states instead?

There's far too much competition out now, for them to bring the Geo brand back. The N. American market is even more flooded with compact/sport compact cars now. So unless GM decides to take all their compact cars, from all their different lines, and label them Geo's, it's not going to happen.

And they already have gotten rid of the Hummer brand. Hummer hasn't produced a car in almost a year now, May '10.

A company purely focused on fuel economy cars, just wouldn't cut it now (in my opinion of course). Like I said, there's just too much competition in the market right now. Everyone has hybrids or regular cars that have great fuel economy. Many companies are keeping prices fairly low for hybrids now as well, and are very comparative to regular gasoline engine cars. A company focused on just fuel economy (verse horsepower), would just miss out on a HUGE part of the market. There are just so many new buyers of economy cars, yet so much variety out there right now. It would just be too risky for a company to try something like that. Now, if a company tried it before the economy crash, when everyone was buying gas guzzlers, they might have had a chance to steal the market.

However, I do completely agree that a company needs to work purely on fuel economy (verses power). At the very least, the entire automotive industry could use a big push, to make cars with better MPG. Comparing non-hybrid car of today to some cars of the late 80's to mid 90's, it's an absolute joke. My own car ('94 Honda Civic CX ['92-'95 Civic CX]) is very similar to the Geo Metro (42-50 MPG/70 HP). The fact that ALL car companies can't come out with simple, quality cars, with that high of a MPG, is ridiculous. The fact that there are so many Metros and that generation of Civics out there, should tell the car industry a lot, but unfortunately they ignore it. Seriously, how it is possible that car companies can't do what companies did 15 +/- years ago? Honestly, it's the only thing that has stopped me from selling my car.

Of course, this is all just my opinion.

Heck, I went out and searched for fuel-sipping coupes and sedans just about 4 months ago. There isn't much out there nowadays that is reliable or not fully riced out by some teenage slug.

I ended up with a '97 Civic coupe and my most common fuel economy is about 31-32mpg of mostly city driving, and my best in the last 4 months is 34+mpg but with more highway mileage. The problem with fuel economy is that you don't get POWER and Americans have become so addicted to the fastest and sleekest that getting good fuel economy isn't important... until it costs almost $50 to fill up a 16gal Subaru (like I just did last week).

But I will say that I'm 100% with you and I've been crying "foul" over the lack of fuel conscious choices on the modern market for years... unless you go hybrid at a significant expense, you can't get decent fuel economy. What a crock!

But I will say that I'm 100% with you and I've been crying "foul" over the lack of fuel conscious choices on the modern market for years... unless you go hybrid at a significant expense, you can't get decent fuel economy. What a crock!

Pretty ridiculous that a mid-80's Civic gets more than a mid-90's and current, isn't it?

Big Oil has killed the car market.

And yet in Europe, they have a huge selection of both.
From big V8 and V10 BMW's and Merc's, to little fuel sipping VWs and Fiats, as well as the full selection of Japanese cars.

And yet in Europe, they have a huge selection of both.
From big V8 and V10 BMW's and Merc's, to little fuel sipping VWs and Fiats, as well as the full selection of Japanese cars.

Because Europe (along with most other nations) are not pig-headed and :screwy: as America... "/

My 97 Geo Metro is rated 52 mpg highway, although I usually get 45-46 on this fourteen year old car. I could probably still get 50 mpg if I really wanted t prove it. I drive it hard and it almost has 200,000 miles on it.

That being said, I am appalled when I see hybrid commercials that brag about their 2011 car getting 35 mpg. When my Metro wears out, I'd like to be able to buy another....new, off a dealership lot.

There is no excuse for the Big 3 to not have several cars on the market that get 50 mpg or better.

There are a lot of things wrong with The United States right now, and if we don't all start to do something about it, collectively as a group, we're doomed. It feels like there is no guidance and that should be governments job. Everybody keeps screaming for the government to be doing less when really we should be electing representitives and insisting they insure that our infrastructure is updated, fresh clean water will be available aplenty, transportation will be economical, and that our children are educated and disiplined to better their own plight. We need goals, as a country, and planners in government who are interested and concerned for the well-being of the populous.

Actually, the highest rating for a '97 Metro is 44mpg ( http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/compx2008f.jsp?year=1997&make=Geo&model=Metro&hiddenField=Findacar )

But you're right; it's absolutely ridiculous...

Comparing non-hybrid car of today to some cars of the late 80's to mid 90's, it's an absolute joke. My own car ('94 Honda Civic CX ['92-'95 Civic CX]) is very similar to the Geo Metro (42-50 MPG/70 HP). The fact that ALL car companies can't come out with simple, quality cars, with that high of a MPG, is ridiculous. The fact that there are so many Metros and that generation of Civics out there, should tell the car industry a lot, but unfortunately they ignore it. Seriously, how it is possible that car companies can't do what companies did 15 +/- years ago? Honestly, it's the only thing that has stopped me from selling my car.
Of course, this is all just my opinion.
The Geo products were just Asian cars with GM badges - the Prizm was a Corolla, the Storm was an Isuzu, and the Metro and Tracker were Suzuki. Even though the were only badge cars they didn't have the reliability rep of the parent companies that built them and sales were always soft.
Building cars like the older CRX or old Geo Metro couldn't happen today. Those cars didn't have multiple airbags (later Geo's had d/s only) and ABS, no OBDII systems, and their structures wouldn't pass muster in crash testing today. Plus, today's car buyers want killer stereos with i-pod integration, bluetooth, navigation, leather (in even the cheapest cars), 5-star crash safety ratings, 150k mile service-life, minimal maintenance, and go-anytime reliability....
All those features add weight, and the government required many of those safety changes (the heaviest) while raising CAFE standards. Today's cars have all that and much more plus most can protect you in an America populated by big SUV's.
Think about it for a moment, power will always increase as a result of better efficiency so power being up is pretty incredible when you consider mileage is going up as well. Even a new Z06 Corvette gets 27MPG!!!
Yes, there will always be a market for basic cars but if you look at the history of companies that focus on them, or mileage, they have historically failed. As another poster said, there is a huge number of vehicles competing in the lower end of the market and the products have never been better! The new Jetta diesel gets better mileage than the Prius and is much, much more enjoyable to drive. The golden age of cars is now!

The new Jetta diesel gets better mileage than the Prius and is much, much more enjoyable to drive. The golden age of cars is now!

But good luck finding diesel at a decent price. Yes, the mileage is better, as my aunt compares her Jetta diesel mileage to my parents' Prius, but we're talking 5mpg difference and she's spending an extra $.30-.50 more per gallon of diesel.

The golden age of cars is now!

I couldn't disagree more.
Unless you consider the current range of badge engineered, consumerised, sanitized, disposable transport modules to be the golden age of cars.

extra $.30-.50 more per gallon of diesel? that's a big deal for me.

That's what I'm saying... you pay more for the diesel version of the Jetta, and while you get great gas mileage, you're paying more for diesel fuel. It hardly balances out in the long run... :redface:

The Geo products were just Asian cars with GM badges - the Prizm was a Corolla, the Storm was an Isuzu, and the Metro and Tracker were Suzuki. Even though the were only badge cars they didn't have the reliability rep of the parent companies that built them and sales were always soft.
Building cars like the older CRX or old Geo Metro couldn't happen today. Those cars didn't have multiple airbags (later Geo's had d/s only) and ABS, no OBDII systems, and their structures wouldn't pass muster in crash testing today. Plus, today's car buyers want killer stereos with i-pod integration, bluetooth, navigation, leather (in even the cheapest cars), 5-star crash safety ratings, 150k mile service-life, minimal maintenance, and go-anytime reliability....
All those features add weight, and the government required many of those safety changes (the heaviest) while raising CAFE standards. Today's cars have all that and much more plus most can protect you in an America populated by big SUV's.
Think about it for a moment, power will always increase as a result of better efficiency so power being up is pretty incredible when you consider mileage is going up as well. Even a new Z06 Corvette gets 27MPG!!!
Yes, there will always be a market for basic cars but if you look at the history of companies that focus on them, or mileage, they have historically failed. As another poster said, there is a huge number of vehicles competing in the lower end of the market and the products have never been better! The new Jetta diesel gets better mileage than the Prius and is much, much more enjoyable to drive. The golden age of cars is now!

I was specifically referring to gas mileage. I realize that all the safety features and such do add a tremendous amount of weight. But the point I was trying to make is that it's 15-20 years later. Car manufacturers should be much further along than they are, when designing engines and more aerodynamic vehicles. I realize that the average consumer was buying up gas guzzling trucks and SUVs, but car companies should have known. Everyone knows the old saying of "history repeats itself" (ala 1973). They knew, like everyone else, that eventually there would be a huge price increase for oil products. It would have saved thousands of factory jobs as well, but that's another story.

That's what I'm saying... you pay more for the diesel version of the Jetta, and while you get great gas mileage, you're paying more for diesel fuel. It hardly balances out in the long run... :redface:It will when you factor in the expected lifespan of these cars. The Jetta diesel will reliably run 200K+ miles with no more than regular maintenance, the Prius will need a new battery pack (estimated lifespan of 125K miles) at a cost of $3500 each.

I was specifically referring to gas mileage. I realize that all the safety features and such do add a tremendous amount of weight. But the point I was trying to make is that it's 15-20 years later. Car manufacturers should be much further along than they are, when designing engines and more aerodynamic vehicles. I realize that the average consumer was buying up gas guzzling trucks and SUVs, but car companies should have known. Everyone knows the old saying of "history repeats itself" (ala 1973). They knew, like everyone else, that eventually there would be a huge price increase for oil products. It would have saved thousands of factory jobs as well, but that's another story.

Car companies are busting their collective behinds to get better fuel economy and they have been all along. The weight increase makes a tremendous difference that's really hard to overcome. But aerodynamics, if you look at the numbers, some cars are down about .27 which a few years ago was concept car territory. There's more in the pipeline (so to speak), such as auto stop/start and more, so fuel economy will get better.

I was specifically referring to gas mileage. I realize that all the safety features and such do add a tremendous amount of weight. But the point I was trying to make is that it's 15-20 years later. Car manufacturers should be much further along than they are, when designing engines and more aerodynamic vehicles.
I think you're selling the car industry short... It is an incredibly competitive business and manufacturers spend millions squeezing every ounce of efficiency out of cars. Any competitive advantage is seized-on by the other companies within a car's life-cycle. You also have to remember the law of diminishing returns in this subject... You can get as much mileage as you want, how much do you want to spend??

I couldn't disagree more.
Unless you consider the current range of badge engineered, consumerised, sanitized, disposable transport modules to be the golden age of cars.
In terms of reliable, safe, efficient, useful, and reliable cars there has never been more capable selection in world history.
In terms of fun to drive performance cars, it's much the same! Much more horsepower, much more capable suspensions and brakes, along with comfort, good mileage, great durability, and reliability than ever before!
As for the homogenized cars for the average driver, I agree. When that appliance of a car, dull as dishwater, absolutely numb Camry sells more than any other car in America you can imagine why the cars of character have fallen by the wayside or been bought-up by bigger fish. I do not miss most of them as some were truly wretched - Saabs were terrible, as were most every British car, and most every Italian car, and most all French cars... There actually were very few cars that were worthwhile 25 years ago so the laws of consumer interest must have taken it's toll on those cars and companies that genuinely sucked...

In terms of reliable, safe, efficient, useful, and reliable cars there has never been more capable selection in world history.
In terms of fun to drive performance cars, it's much the same! Much more horsepower, much more capable suspensions and brakes, along with comfort, good mileage, great durability, and reliability than ever before!.


While modern cars are a lot safer and more reliable, the variety has gone.
For example mid size sedan's and hatchbacks are built on only a very small number of different platforms.
GM have one platform shared by all their brands, Ford and Mazda share a plateform between all thier brands, same with VW Audi Group. Then theres Toyota, Honda, Nissan/Renult, Subaru, BMW, Mercedes, Fiat and Citroen.
Thats 95% of the worlds midsize cars (hatchbacks and sedans) and only 11 different platforms with 20-30 different badges on them.

While modern sports cars are also safer and more reliable, I don't agree they are necessarily faster, in some cases they are slower, and again, they suffer greatly from badge engineering and platform sharing.

You also have to remember the law of diminishing returns in this subject... You can get as much mileage as you want, how much do you want to spend??

There actually were very few cars that were worthwhile 25 years ago so the laws of consumer interest must have taken it's toll on those cars and companies that genuinely sucked...

Sadly true. While many were great designs, bad management, short term thinking and general incompetence meant many suffered from poor reliability and even worse build quality.


I do wonder how close modern cars are getting to the law of diminishing returns.
There is a massive difference driving a car from the early 70s when compared to a car from the early 90s, but much less difference when compared to a car from now.
The Same 20 year gap does not yield the same difference in safety, performance and reliability.

For example mid size sedan's and hatchbacks are built on only a very small number of different platforms.

Have you driven both the Mazda2 and the Fiesta? They're very different cars in execution. Platforms are the most basic of elements, not the final product with different finishing touches. That's what GM did in the '70s and it almost killed them, though of course they were simultaneously meeting demands of new safety regulations, fuel economy standards (and customer demands), and emissions rules.

But I digress. Think of a platform as the foundation of a house. What one builder builds on it can be very different from what another does.

Because Europe (along with most other nations) are not pig-headed and :screwy: as America... "/

Well thanks but leave me out, this is one American who is savvy enough to know how pointless it is to compare the US and European auto markets. European cities and life in general are far more urban centric oriented, people there tend to live far closer to where they work- and their cities are closer together. Their cities are also not very accomodating of larger vehicles, their streets and property lines having been laid/drawn out many centuries ago.
America's personal transportation topography was mapped in the 50's by the federal interstate highway system and is oriented toward coast to coast travel and shared with commercial heavy transport.
The Prius would never have been built for only a Euro or Japan market, where a 1500-2500 lb compact makes much more sense.
Americans are not willing to get on an interstate highway and get between 18 wheelers going 70 mph with a little car like that.
That certainly doesn't make us ignorant.

So now you know.

However there is some merit to similar criticisms that we are "marketed to" by the big three, they shoved SUV's at us for years when fuel costs were low until everyone thought it was an extreme hardship to not own 3 tons of steel with 8 cupholders even if you were doing a solo commute in the damn thing.
Most of those numbskulls got upside down in their auto loans the last time fuel prices soared, they didn't dip enough again to make surburbans and the like fly off the lots quick so probably ended up screwed.
But hey 8 cupholders. Yo.

I was kind of peeved about that marketing-SUV's-to-avoid-CAFE-but-reap-luxury-option-profits thingy (and I just coined that terminology, would you believe?) because among other things it killed the Firebird/Camaro and made similar vehicle choices sparse. Everybody wanted SUV's because they were told so.

I won't even get into the stupidity of the beautiful Camaro they did bring back (and it IS pretty!) has NO business being 4,000 god damned pounds. Same with the Challenger. WTF is THAT about?

Have you driven both the Mazda2 and the Fiesta? They're very different cars in execution. Platforms are the most basic of elements, not the final product with different finishing touches
But I digress. Think of a platform as the foundation of a house. What one builder builds on it can be very different from what another does.


Not those 2, but I have driven and worked on plenty of shared platform vehicles. Those that share a platform and are significantly different are the exception to the norm, and when it comes to badge engineering the differences are non-existent.
While platforms can be used as no more than a basic foundation, current use of them is very different, with more use of shared components and only cosmetic changes to separate the models.




However there is some merit to similar criticisms that we are "marketed to" by the big three, they shoved SUV's at us for years when fuel costs were low until everyone thought it was an extreme hardship to not own 3 tons of steel with 8 cupholders even if you were doing a solo commute in the damn thing.


Be interesting to see if the US market does change with collapse of the big 3 and their over reliance on SUVs built on out dated designs.

The US market is very different to the rest of the world. Not only are the consumers different, but it tends to be heavily protectionist, and operates on a different scale to Japan or Europe.
But, Honda Toyota and Nissan have proven it can be cracked and infiltrated successfully, all 3 brands are now well established in North America.
The current problems leave the door open for VAG to also enter North America and claim a big chunk of the market.

I got to ask this does anybody know that geo's are a America made car that Chevrolet
Made them really And really geo prizm have good mpg and its fast for a little 5 speed manual car

Big Oil has killed the car market.
This escaped my attention the first time I read through this thread, how has "big oil" killed the car market, and what is your definition of so-called "big oil"? Are you not more concerned about big government? Are you one of those who blasts Exxon-Mobil profits? If so, please notice that Exxon only made .02 cents per gallon of gas they sold and the federal government made .23 cents per gallon! Who is really the "big" problem??!!
When my Metro wears out, I'd like to be able to buy another....new, off a dealership lot.Yea, you're probably the only one who does. Those cars were horrible when new and I doubt yours has gotten better with age. What killed your car is the market's lack of interest in a tiny, tinny car that had awful crash protection and sketchy handling at anything above 50 mph.

There are a lot of things wrong with The United States right now, and if we don't all start to do something about it, collectively as a group, we're doomed. It feels like there is no guidance and that should be governments job. Everybody keeps screaming for the government to be doing less when really we should be electing representitives and insisting they insure that our infrastructure is updated, fresh clean water will be available aplenty, transportation will be economical, and that our children are educated and disiplined to better their own plight. We need goals, as a country, and planners in government who are interested and concerned for the well-being of the populous.
I don't know where to begin with this paragraph but I'll start with your belief that government is the answer to everything. Let me assure you, government "guidance" and "planning" is the shortest path to the lowest common denominator. You have to look at the history of government intervention, or just look at cities or states in the US that are "government heavy" such as Detroit, Washington DC, or California. All are BROKE and BROKEN, EPIC FAILURES! Who among Washington DC's 452 congressmen has any background in building cars? How many are doctors? How many are teachers? How many are road engineers? How many are home builders? Hell, how many have even held jobs in the private sector? I'll answer for you, in order - 0, 3, 2, 0, 0, 63... Very little to no experience in these fields yet you want them to plan for these industries and your life. Are you serious? Most of these people are career politicians and are only interested in 2 things, controlling your world and lining their pockets and power structure while they do it. Does that sound like someone you want to entrust your future too? EVERYTHING the government has ever done, outside of the military, has caused unintended consequences that have ranged from just too expensive to disasterous. Our current economic woes were directly caused government policies and planning. The United States didn't become the greatest country on Earth because of government, it did so because for the first time in human history men were unburdened by governmentl largess! The larger the government has grown the worse things have gotten for America.
Read some history and re-evaluate your perspective...

I got to ask this does anybody know that geo's are a America made car that Chevrolet
Made them really And really geo prizm have good mpg and its fast for a little 5 speed manual car
And here is an example of government run education!

And here is an example of government run education!


LOL Thats to funny.

I can't comment on anything political really because I don't follow it at all. I will say though, the first company that comes out with a nice little AWD fuel efficient crap box in the US will get my $$. Badge it a suzuki, chevy, geo, whatever It's $75 a week for me to drive my 4x4 SUV and thats just a 15 minute highway ride every day.

LOL Thats to funny.

I can't comment on anything political really because I don't follow it at all. I will say though, the first company that comes out with a nice little AWD fuel efficient crap box in the US will get my $$. Badge it a suzuki, chevy, geo, whatever It's $75 a week for me to drive my 4x4 SUV and thats just a 15 minute highway ride every day.

Go for an old Subaru! http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/10/08/09/44/1992_subaru_svx_2_dr_ls_awd_coupe-pic-6196158944771993307.jpeg

Admittedly, I don't know what the SVX is actually supposed to get mileage-wise, but even my Forester can pull 24mpg city!

Go for an old Subaru! http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/10/08/09/44/1992_subaru_svx_2_dr_ls_awd_coupe-pic-6196158944771993307.jpeg

Admittedly, I don't know what the SVX is actually supposed to get mileage-wise, but even my Forester can pull 24mpg city!


My friend had an svx, we beat the hell out of it. It broke constantly but we just kept rigging it back together. Theres some serious fanatics of those cars also.

Actually, the highest rating for a '97 Metro is 44mpg ( http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/compx2008f.jsp?year=1997&make=Geo&model=Metro&hiddenField=Findacar )

But you're right; it's absolutely ridiculous...

That link is not not right. I know better. I own and drive one, as I posted.

I did not research who did those rankings in the link you posted but I know for a fact that my '97 Geo Metro was rated 52mpg highway. It said so on the sticker and in other mpg data that I have seen. Reread my post for factual numbers. Mine is the 3 cylinder. Come see me and I will show you 50 mpg.

I do appreciate your concern and post. I think those numbers in your link are flaky. They might be true for those cars pictured that have not been taken care of, and I don't know about the 4 cylinder models regarding their mpg. But my post is truthful and factual. :smile:

This escaped my attention the first time I read through this thread, how has "big oil" killed the car market, and what is your definition of so-called "big oil"? Are you not more concerned about big government? Are you one of those who blasts Exxon-Mobil profits? If so, please notice that Exxon only made .02 cents per gallon of gas they sold and the federal government made .23 cents per gallon! Who is really the "big" problem??!!

Yea, you're probably the only one who does. Those cars were horrible when new and I doubt yours has gotten better with age. What killed your car is the market's lack of interest in a tiny, tinny car that had awful crash protection and sketchy handling at anything above 50 mph.

I don't know where to begin with this paragraph but I'll start with your belief that government is the answer to everything. Let me assure you, government "guidance" and "planning" is the shortest path to the lowest common denominator. You have to look at the history of government intervention, or just look at cities or states in the US that are "government heavy" such as Detroit, Washington DC, or California. All are BROKE and BROKEN, EPIC FAILURES! Who among Washington DC's 452 congressmen has any background in building cars? How many are doctors? How many are teachers? How many are road engineers? How many are home builders? Hell, how many have even held jobs in the private sector? I'll answer for you, in order - 0, 3, 2, 0, 0, 63... Very little to no experience in these fields yet you want them to plan for these industries and your life. Are you serious? Most of these people are career politicians and are only interested in 2 things, controlling your world and lining their pockets and power structure while they do it. Does that sound like someone you want to entrust your future too? EVERYTHING the government has ever done, outside of the military, has caused unintended consequences that have ranged from just too expensive to disasterous. Our current economic woes were directly caused government policies and planning. The United States didn't become the greatest country on Earth because of government, it did so because for the first time in human history men were unburdened by governmentl largess! The larger the government has grown the worse things have gotten for America.
Read some history and re-evaluate your perspective...

And here is an example of government run education!


Murco, about my first post that you attacked and think you may speak for others. You are clueless about my Geo Metro. And, wrong. You obviously haven't spent much time behind the wheel of one. Nope, don't say you have.


About my other paragraph that you attacked. You obviously missed my point. My point is/was this: We the people need to elect (and hire) representatives in government who are planners, architects, physisists, doctors etc. and not career polititians who are interested in lining their own pockets and uninterested in "we the people" and hold them accountable. Why don't we? From listening to you, why should we have government at all? The only positive you mentioned was the military, who has raped the American public in cost overruns for decades, not to mention government allowed tax loopholes for them. I, personally, am not for government largeness, I am for government efficiency with a long range plan that we can all back and be proud of, for future generations.

i also think the metro was a great car but geting rid of proformance and fulsize trucks is bad biz i am american and i love my truck (gmc) my camero and i also have a lumina and will not give up any of them

i also think the metro was a great car but geting rid of proformance and fulsize trucks is bad biz i am american and i love my truck (gmc) my camero and i also have a lumina and will not give up any of them

Right. Of course we need trucks (think construction and trailering, just to name a very few reasons) and sports cars for enthusiasts.

Murco, about my first post that you attacked and think you may speak for others. You are clueless about my Geo Metro. And, wrong. You obviously haven't spent much time behind the wheel of one. Nope, don't say you have.


About my other paragraph that you attacked. You obviously missed my point. My point is/was this: We the people need to elect (and hire) representatives in government who are planners, architects, physisists, doctors etc. and not career polititians who are interested in lining their own pockets and uninterested in "we the people" and hold them accountable. Why don't we? From listening to you, why should we have government at all? The only positive you mentioned was the military, who has raped the American public in cost overruns for decades, not to mention government allowed tax loopholes for them. I, personally, am not for government largeness, I am for government efficiency with a long range plan that we can all back and be proud of, for future generations.
i am prior service and you are wecome and i fought for your right to be ignorant of what we do for so again you are welcome

Besides gas engines are going to be a thing of the past, were all being lied to about Free energy, Alien technology, Magnetic motors, Engines that run on compressed air, Magnetic Generators that can power your home FOREVER, just take a look around You Tube for these things I've said, It's all a big lie, to keep oil companies in business so they can stay in the pockets of politicans, see how they all work together.:headshake:iamwithst
gas is here to stay for atleast our lifetime the world we live in is run on it and as for government they need to stay out of private cittizens lives and protect each from others not us from our selves i prefer a hard free life to an easy controled existance

i am prior service and you are wecome and i fought for your right to be ignorant of what we do for so again you are welcome
Thank you for your service.
Right to be ignorant? You make me laugh.
Now clue us in, if you know it all. Start a different thread if you wish to continue.
By the way, I am sorry for my part in hijacking this quality thread uRabbit.
Bring back the Geo.

Thank you for your service.
Right to be ignorant? You make me laugh.
Now clue us in, if you know it all. Start a different thread if you wish to continue.
By the way, I am sorry for my part in hijacking this quality thread uRabbit.
Bring back the Geo.
i dont know every thing but i do know whats best for me may not be best for you so why would i try to tell you how to live and what you should or can do i feel that each man or woman should be responsible for there own success or failure and i understand that a lot of pepole would not thrive but hey if you are a strong or smart or even willing to earn it you can be as great as you desrve to be on your own merit not cause you feel deserve it you only deserve what you can earn i feel that this would be a better world if we all mind our own and work toward bettering ourselves and our own familys not trying to police others personal choices fredom is your ability to do what every you want as long as it dose not interfear with others fredoms so i dont think you stupid just ignorant they are not the same ignorant is not an insult its more of a free pass to think what ever you want without reason see off topic for discussion freedom

Murco, about my first post that you attacked and think you may speak for others. You are clueless about my Geo Metro. And, wrong. You obviously haven't spent much time behind the wheel of one. Nope, don't say you have.Umm, yes I have. From 1991 to 1995 I was a syndicated car reviewer for 28 newspapers and drove pretty much everything from Yugos to Ferraris. I'm not sure of the breadth and scope of your automotive experience but after driving and writing about 200+ cars I'm pretty comfortable in my opinion. Geo Metros were just slightly above the Yugo...


About my other paragraph that you attacked. You obviously missed my point. My point is/was this: We the people need to elect (and hire) representatives in government who are planners, architects, physisists, doctors etc. and not career polititians who are interested in lining their own pockets and uninterested in "we the people" and hold them accountable. Why don't we? Because people in those fields would never want to be in politics. You're correct, I misunderstood your assertion, but I think you have a utopian view of politics in general and one not routed in historical context or reality.


From listening to you, why should we have government at all? The only positive you mentioned was the military, who has raped the American public in cost overruns for decades, not to mention government allowed tax loopholes for them.As a former US Marine I will point out that the defense budget has never exceeded 5% of our GDP, a modest percentage for the primary protection our government was designed to provide. The only "raping" you have endured is in your education, or lack of it...


I, personally, am not for government largeness, I am for government efficiency with a long range plan that we can all back and be proud of, for future generations.Again, utopian thinking/wishing... Name one, just ONE government in the history of mankind that has any of the hallmarks of what you have described? Our constitution provides protection of our lives, liberty, and property. Anything beyond that is an infringement on our right to freedom, bestowed on us by God, not government...

From Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Definition of IGNORANT

1
a : destitute (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/destitute) of knowledge or education <an ignorant society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprehension) of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>

2
: unaware (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unaware), uninformed (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/uninformed)

— ig·no·rant·ly adverb
— ig·no·rant·ness noun iria

There are none so blind as those who have eyes yet still do not see.

I encourage you to start a new thread and yet you choose not to. Hmmm...

Bring back the Geo is my vote.

From Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Definition of IGNORANT

1
a : destitute (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/destitute) of knowledge or education <an ignorant society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprehension) of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>

2
: unaware (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unaware), uninformed (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/uninformed)

— ig·no·rant·ly adverb
— ig·no·rant·ness noun iria

There are none so blind as those who have eyes yet still do not see.

I encourage you to start a new thread and yet you choose not to. Hmmm...

Bring back the Geo is my vote.
i did in off topic titled freedom i am glad you can use a dictionary try using you ability to learn and study a little hstory the armed forces are the thing that alows us to have this discusion and you are right about the geo but wrong on just about every thig else good luck to i will not reply in this thread any more see freedom in off topic and again the metro is a good car