Belkits Ford Fiesta WRC

Anyone know of the liveries that will be released along with this kit? I'd love to see Ken Block's Monster liveried car done. It's pretty cool with a black "drip" down the side and front of the car. Pretty cool.

Wow~ Any more info about this kit? Possible release date? I have a fiesta of my own and I love it! I'd like to see an S2000 debut livery. BTW what's Belkits? Never heard of them, any good?

Grrrr!! when are they gona do the new ST/RS in street version!!

Wow~ Any more info about this kit? Possible release date? I have a fiesta of my own and I love it! I'd like to see an S2000 debut livery. BTW what's Belkits? Never heard of them, any good?

www.belkits.be

They're a belgian company that just released their first kit, the Peugeot 207 S2000. Very nice kit. Just rather expensive to ship it to the US. They released 5 or 6 liveries in addition to the Meeke car that was standard with the kit. All the reviews I saw were good.

Daniel

Grrrr!! when are they gona do the new ST/RS in street version!!

Let Revell or someone like that do that stuff. Belkits is a new, small kit maker and I was very happy to have new WRC models (including the Simil'r kit)!

Anyone know of the liveries that will be released along with this kit?

have you emailed belkits themselves who would once again, know better than anyone else on the boards?

have you emailed belkits themselves who would once again, know better than anyone else on the boards?

They are on here, as I've seen them (or their reps) reply. It was worth a shot, whether you think so or not. Also, some on here may know something so that belongs wouldn't have to be bothered with it.

Let Revell or someone like that do that stuff. Belkits is a new, small kit maker and I was very happy to have new WRC models (including the Simil'r kit)!When I said "they" I meant the model makers in general.

Anyone know of the liveries that will be released along with this kit? I'd love to see Ken Block's Monster liveried car done. It's pretty cool with a black "drip" down the side and front of the car. Pretty cool.

Just in case you didn't know, Belkits will be releasing a Ford Fiesta S2000, not a WRC. And the Ken Block car is neither ;) The S2000 and WRC Fiesta's are 3 door versions whereas Ken Block's Gymkhana Fiesta is based on a 5 door version....

Just in case you didn't know, Belkits will be releasing a Ford Fiesta S2000, not a WRC. And the Ken Block car is neither ;) The S2000 and WRC Fiesta's are 3 door versions whereas Ken Block's Gymkhana Fiesta is based on a 5 door version....

I did know it was an S2000, but I haven't been following Rallying that closely--why aren't the S2000s not a part of the World Rally Championship? How is the FIA screwing things up again?

I knew the S2000s were 3 doors but I did not see that the Block version was the 5 door. Simple mistake.

How about this version:

WRC and S2000 are different classes of rallying.
Always have been.
Nothing's changed.
FIA didn't screw anything up.

WRC and S2000 are different classes of rallying.
Always have been.
Nothing's changed.
FIA didn't screw anything up.

I thought I read somewhere over the last year or so that there was a transition or something from the typical WRC car to the S2000 format. I think it was because the dwindling numbers of WRC teams. Didn't something like that happen/or is happening?

No idea.
I think you're just confused over it being a Fiesta because while there are Fiestas in the WRC but they're RS WRC cars as I said before, WRC isn't S2000.

No idea.
I think you're just confused over it being a Fiesta because while there are Fiestas in the WRC but they're RS WRC cars as I said before, WRC isn't S2000.

No. Just read an article about the Group N (what was known as WRC, as of 2010 P-WRC) cars are in the process of switching to S2000 cars, a standardized car that is to be run as factory and privateer teams that are highly regulated (rev limits, not too much modifications and price limits). It certainly looks like the intention is to do away with the P-WRC and have only S2000 cars.

That was from 2010. Things may have changed, or they may be doing this over a period of years. I'm not sure, the article didn't say. I clearly remember a couple of years ago the WRC being in big trouble because all manufacturers were fleeing WRC because of the costs. That's why they developed this formula, I'd imagine.

er... Group N (P-WRC) is another rallying catagory/class/ruleset seperate from WRC, S2000 (SWRC) and S1600 (JWRC) for that matter.
Group N again, is not WRC.
WRC as a class has been going on since the 1970s although it's followed the same-ish formula that we know since the late 90s (before that it was Group 2/4 and Group A/B).
S2000 isn't new either having been around 2000.

Now I think you really are confusing the difference class/rules/groups.

Group N is more or less the entry level rallying event.
WRC is the highest level rallying event.

Specifically, you are confusing P-WRC and WRC.

http://www.coloradodecals.com/images/DCC24103_max.jpg

For the Focus of Ken Block. Colorado Decals.

er... Group N (P-WRC) is another rallying catagory/class/ruleset seperate from WRC, S2000 (SWRC) and S1600 (JWRC) for that matter.
Group N again, is not WRC.
WRC as a class has been going on since the 1970s although it's followed the same-ish formula that we know since the late 90s (before that it was Group 2/4 and Group A/B).
S2000 isn't new either having been around 2000.

Now I think you really are confusing the difference class/rules/groups.

Group N is more or less the entry level rallying event.
WRC is the highest level rallying event.

Specifically, you are confusing P-WRC and WRC.
Maybe the article confused it. I was simply restating what they said. (How else would I have known the P-WRC? The article, possibly mistakenly, equated the two.) I understand what is happening. However, it's still not clear if the FIA is going to do away with the "WRC" class and go solely with S2000. It sounds that way but there was no definitive answer.

I'm *not* confusing these things. Again, I was simply restating what was said in the article. There isn't that much out there about it. Rather odd.

http://www.coloradodecals.com/images/DCC24103_max.jpg

For the Focus of Ken Block. Colorado Decals.

Sweet! So this is for the focus (I'd guess it would fit the Simil'r kit?) rather than the fiesta, right?

Thanks, Luis! I keep forgetting Colorado decals. I've seen some really cool decals from them but just can't keep them in mind. They're out of Spain, right? Thanks again.

Yes, the new WRC regs will be based on the S2000 for next year but it will be called a WRC car although basically the same as a S2000. marketing...... can't call them S2000 because well they have them in the IRC right?

...and I want decals for Henning Solberg's Fiesta And a gravel conversion kit.

Yes, the new WRC regs will be based on the S2000 for next year but it will be called a WRC car although basically the same as a S2000. marketing...... can't call them S2000 because well they have them in the IRC right?

...and I want decals for Henning Solberg's Fiesta And a gravel conversion kit.
Thanks for clearing that up, Pug. I appreciate it. (Not having cable to watch any coverage makes me kinda out of the loop...)

Yes, the new WRC regs will be based on the S2000 for next year but it will be called a WRC car although basically the same as a S2000. marketing...... can't call them S2000 because well they have them in the IRC right?

I had a look at the proposed 2011 rules and well, what you say isn't right either.
The plan is to, as you say, base the WRC cars on the S2000 class cars but with a set/standard kit "upgrade" as it were, for the WRC.
The idea being so it would equalise the costs of the cars making a more level playing field.

So, while the base of the WRC car would indeed be the S2000 cars, with the extra kit, it would perform differently.

I had a look at the proposed 2011 rules and well, what you say isn't right either.
The plan is to, as you say, base the WRC cars on the S2000 class cars but with a set/standard kit "upgrade" as it were, for the WRC.
The idea being so it would equalise the costs of the cars making a more level playing field.

So, while the base of the WRC car would indeed be the S2000 cars, with the extra kit, it would perform differently.

But like they say in Tuner world, "Whatever you do to a Honda, it's still a Honda." In other words, it's still just a suped up S2000. Just go with it, trying to add a little humor to the situation...:)

(I don't know if you guys have the suped up Civics, etc., in the UK, but they're the scourge of the highways here in the States.)

Thank you to those that helped answer this question (you know who you are). I knew there would be someone on here that could help!

The main difference between S2000 and WRC is that S2000 aren't turbocharged.

S2000 should have been the next generation wrc base because they don't have so much hydraulic and driving assist systems as the WRC had, but since that rule changed and downsizing occured, WRC still are turbocharged but now based on 1600 engine and not 2000.

WRC are the most evoluted rally cars, in the facts they don't share so much with the S2000 that should have been the base to work on, expecially since WRC have been engine downsized.

P(WRC means "production" and refers to Gr. N which are lightly prepared cars, close (well no so much in the facts) that road cars.
It's the entry of rallying categories, when WRC are the top.

S1600 (1600 atmo engines 2WD) and S2000 (atmo engines 4WD) are two intermediary categories.


Hope this can clarify things. ;)

So, are they going to eliminate the WRC (the most expensive category)? Or was that just talk of a few years ago?

Rallymaster cleared some facts about the WRC category. But I would like to point also few things. WRC are not going to be eliminated, changes have been made this year, so we should see this cars for the next 4-5 years, if not more.

There was an idea that the new WRC should be based on S2000, but it isn't an obligation.
For example there is Citroen DS3 WRC, and there is no Citroen DS3 S2000. Why? Because PSA has second brand: Peugeot, and they have 207 S2000. Two different cars, two different projects, two different marketing goals.
Ford has gone another way. First they made Fiesta S2000, and using this experience and taking some parts of it they created Fiesta WRC. Those cars look similar but there are more differences than only the engine - WRC - 1,6l turbo, S2000 - 2l atmo.
Mini has gone a third way, they are making at the same time Mini Countryman WRC and S2000 which will have the same 1,6l turbo engine but with different limiters. As I know starting from this year S2000 regulations allow two kinds of engines: 2l atmo, and 1,6l turbo, earlier it was only 2l atmo. All this cars are of course 4WD.
There are many S2000 rally cars in the world, you can see them in this page http://www.s2000rally.com/ (http://www.s2000rally.com/)

For some history backup, the “brand” WRC standing for World Rally Car, started to be used with the beginning of 1997 season. There were two cars in this category Subaru Impreza WRC and Ford Escort WRC, those cars were based on the A8 category regulations but with more modifications. This were cars with 2l turbo engine and 4WD. Regulations changed during years, but until the end of 2010 basics stayed the same, now we have less electronics in the car and smaller engine. Also the cars are smaller but I think it’s more about marketing :)

P.S. Using WRC abbreviation can be sometimes confusing because it has two meanings: World Rally Championship and World Rally Car :)

So, are they going to eliminate the WRC (the most expensive category)? Or was that just talk of a few years ago?

No, that doesn't mean they gonna eliminate the WRC, simply because this is now a brand which refers to world rally championship when in the same time it means for cars world rally car in term of categories (but WRC cars are in fact classified as A8 = 2l turbocharged engine).
that's why no matter what would be the rules of the cars entering the WRC as championship, i believe they'll keep the WRC name which is derivated from the championship name, because both names significations are confused in a sens...
the real homologations class is A8, WRC is only a name to identify the cars (once more refering to the championship they were made to be the top evoluted ones), but if you enter a WRC in a rally event you'll register it as A8, not WRC.
but that's true that naming now a 1600 turbo "wrc" when this name has been refering to 2l. turbo engines fro years is a bit strange... :screwy: :roll:
that's why it's simpler just keeping in mind this wrc name is refering to the top cars entering the world championship, as former years WRC, but having now a 1600 turbocharged engine instead of 2l and having less hydraulic system than former wrc as S2000 cars already do...

Note : "Ken Block" Colorado Decals shown above have been made before the release of Simil'R kit.
So I doubt it fits perfectly...

They're out of Spain, right? Thanks again.

Portugal...

To clarify a few points:
the WRC per FIA direction is from this season running a 1.6l turbo engine based on a manufacturers current road car. This is among other things to keep the costs lower than that of the extremley over developed 2l turbo WR cars of the past decade and a bit (class A8 or WRC came into existance in 1997 prior to that it was GrpA, GrpB, Grp 4). S2000/SWRC are also 2l, however they have to be naturally aspirated with no turbo permitted now in either championship.

The PWRC is by no means an entry level, the new rules for this year mean that PWRC cars will be nearly as fast as the WR cars and give a more interactive driving experience due to the manual gearbox and minimal alterations to the car. If anything the old JWRC or as it is now the WRC academy is the true entry to the WRC, however it is restricted to under 27 year olds (I think) and for this year is a single make championship.

S2000 cars were run as part of the PWRC, but from this year they have their own championship within the WRC series, some say to counteract the IRC (which IMHO is better).

The WRC class has never gone away right from the inaugral 1973 season, the class designation and car type have simply changed to reflect the trends (slowly I might add). What everyone knows as WRC cars are simply the latest iteration of this!

Now back to the original point, the visual differences between the S2000 Fiesta and the WRC Fiesta, as far as I can see, are most notable over the rear arches. The WRC was based of the S2000 as S2000 was only ever intended as a stop gap to allow for the transition and homologation of the new generation of cars. The original post also shows Kenny from the Block's WR car (3 door shell), not his gymkhana car (5 door shell)!!!

Note : "Ken Block" Colorado Decals shown above have been made before the release of Simil'R kit.
So I doubt it fits perfectly...

Thanks for the heads up! I appreciate it.

Portugal...

Oops. Sorry! Thanks for the correction...:uhoh: